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I just did. I don't believe that in a country like the United States that a person should end up bankrupt if they or their child gets sick. I do not believe anyone truly cares about other people if they have no problem with a situation like that and their "solution" is to tell them to pull themselves up.
You are doing it. That's wonderful. But until that debt is paid off you are in a precarious situation.
I will be paying off those medical bills for years ... but it is MY situation.
My solution is to have cheapie dial up internet on a 386 computer running Win 95, no cell, no cable, eating day old bread and discount meat, wearing thrift store shoes and hand me down clothes because I don't see why anyone is responsible for my bills but me & mine....
By your assessment everyone at BBS should send me $50 to go towards that medical debt ... wether they want to or not; if they can afford to or not... so ... anyone who wants to donate ... er mandate ... send me a PM.
I'll be holding my breath ... :blue:
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Originally Posted by
Jolie Rouge
I will be paying off those medical bills for years ... but it is MY situation.
My solution is to have cheapie dial up internet on a 386 computer running Win 95, no cell, no cable, eating day old bread and discount meat, wearing thrift store shoes and hand me down clothes because I don't see why anyone is responsible for my bills but me & mine....
By your assessment everyone at BBS should send me $50 to go towards that medical debt ... wether they want to or not; if they can afford to or not... so ... anyone who wants to donate ... er mandate ... send me a PM.
I'll be holding my breath ... :blue:
Exactly my point,People in your shoes shouldn't have to struggle.Why can't everyone have the healthcare that they need?I don't get to pick where my tax money goes.If I did,You would def. get some of mine.If it were possible to pick where our tax dollars go I would put mine in healthcare for everyone that needs it.Despite what everyone seems to think of me,I am not a greedy person at all.I just wish everyone needing coverage actually got it.
I know it has been said before but how sad that the people who despise abortion always expect people to be responsible for their own.
Unless you want to help the whole village keep your opinion to yourself(not directed to you Jolie,just things I am thinking of).
ETA:What if someone with no money,no insurance had a child who needed an expensive operation to live?Would you want them to get it?Would you fight it because it is YOUR money?Does it matter if you know the child?What if it is YOUR child?Do you gracefully not accept help?Or do you hope real,caring people will do whatever it takes to help your child?
Last edited by ilovecats; 09-22-2009 at 09:22 PM.
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Exactly my point,People in your shoes shouldn't have to struggle.Why can't everyone have the healthcare that they need?I don't get to pick where my tax money goes.If I did,You would def. get some of mine.If it were possible to pick where our tax dollars go I would put mine in healthcare for everyone that needs it.Despite what everyone seems to think of me,I am not a greedy person at all.I just wish everyone needing coverage actually got it.
I know it has been said before but how sad that the people who despise abortion always expect people to be responsible for their own.
Unless you want to help the whole village keep your opinion to yourself(not directed to you Jolie,just things I am thinking of).
"People who despise abortion"....
....I don't think killing your own fetus/baby is an admirable event......therefore, I don't look down upon people 'who despise' abortion. They give a 'voice' to those who have none.
"always expect people to be responsible for their own".... well, if they are not responsible and shouldn't be held accountable for their actions...who should be? 
"Helping the whole village" - perhaps 'helping the whole village' means that the subject's best interest (and also the whole villages) is not necessarily easy or pleasant for them but benefit the 'entire village'...
'keep your opinion to yourself'....well, if I have to pay for it or be inconvenienced by it because another cannot handle their 'responsibility' and I may or have to be inconvenienced or pick up the 'slack'....damn wrong, I will not keep my opinion to myself.
If someone wants me to keep my opinion to myself, then don't make your problems or issues mine.....otherwise, I am entitled to an opinion and to voice it loudly.
Reminds me of growing up.....until one is of age and is out on their own being responsible for themselves and supporting themselves and their responsibilities....if they live at home and someone else is paying their bills and 'carrying them'...they should show some respect for the person who is paying their bills and "keep their complaints to themselves".
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Originally Posted by
ilovecats
ETA:What if someone with no money,no insurance had a child who needed an expensive operation to live?Would you want them to get it?Would you fight it because it is YOUR money?Does it matter if you know the child?What if it is YOUR child?Do you gracefully not accept help?Or do you hope real,caring people will do whatever it takes to help your child?
Okay, children were not asked to be conceived, they were and deserve care.
that's a 'no brainer'...give them whatever procedure(s) they require/need.
Now, accountability.....why do the parents have 'no money' and 'no insurance'? This example needs a bit more info for an adequate response.....
If they were in this situation of 'poverty', what did they do to prevent conceiving? Did they take any actions as to not give themselves more responsibilities than they could handle?
Okay, so now they are pregnant.....
Why wouldn't they want to cover the expenses for their child? Even if it took them 50+ years at $5.oo per month? I have more respect for them attempting to pay for their debt than just saying..."hey, pay my bill, my kid's sick and shut your mouth while you're at it".
I'm more than willing to help that person paying off their debt.....they are trying......
Unfortunately, bad things happen to good people. It is the ones who feel they are entitled and not responsible for themselves that make it 'bad' for those who truly have tried to prepare and yet are blindsided by a catastrophic event.
what is the message and damage done if we continuously be responsible for ourselves and are forced to additionally be responsible for those who refuse to take any measures to be responsible for themselves and their own? What is the message being sent? Someone else will cover 'your' ass, go do whatever 'you' want..... really....
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Originally Posted by
ilovecats
ETA:What if someone with no money,no insurance had a child who needed an expensive operation to live?Would you want them to get it?Would you fight it because it is YOUR money?Does it matter if you know the child?What if it is YOUR child?Do you gracefully not accept help?Or do you hope real,caring people will do whatever it takes to help your child?
They already have insurance programs for the ones who need emergency help. It's called welfare. If a family has no income with a child they are eligible for medical and other benifits. I have no problem giving a helping hand to anyone. I am just tired of the ones who use and abuse these programs.
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They already have insurance programs for the ones who need emergency help. It's called welfare. If a family has no income with a child they are eligible for medical and other benifits. I have no problem giving a helping hand to anyone. I am just tired of the ones who use and abuse these programs.
Not necessarily. When DH came home from Iraq we weren't eligible for any sort of government programs even though he was a war veteran with no income. We lived in MI at the time and the economy there was dying. So we moved to AZ where we knew the prospects would be much better. It still took a few months to find a job but we managed. We also couldn't sell our MI house so we had 2 houses and no income for nearly 6 months. But we didn't get any assistance because we were new to AZ so we weren't eligible. We had left MI so we weren't eligible there. I posted that before and a few people chose to criticize our decision to move. Apparently they would have approved of our staying in MI and going on welfare and medicaid. Except we weren't eligible for those until our income was nothing for several months. No one gets laid off on Monday and gets food stamps and medicaid on Tuesday.
There's a reason so many of our troops and reservists are reenlisting. It's the only job they can find. They can be completely mentally and physically messed up from their 1st tour and the military will still take them back as long as they can walk.
Welfare isn't emergency help. Emergency help comes quickly. Welfare takes a long time to be approved for. One person in MI even tried to tell us we weren't eligible since DH hadn't physically resided in MI in the past year. That was about the clincher in deciding to move.
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Not necessarily. When DH came home from Iraq we weren't eligible for any sort of government programs even though he was a war veteran with no income. We lived in MI at the time and the economy there was dying. So we moved to AZ where we knew the prospects would be much better. It still took a few months to find a job but we managed. We also couldn't sell our MI house so we had 2 houses and no income for nearly 6 months. But we didn't get any assistance because we were new to AZ so we weren't eligible. We had left MI so we weren't eligible there. I posted that before and a few people chose to criticize our decision to move. Apparently they would have approved of our staying in MI and going on welfare and medicaid. Except we weren't eligible for those until our income was nothing for several months. No one gets laid off on Monday and gets food stamps and medicaid on Tuesday.
There's a reason so many of our troops and reservists are reenlisting. It's the only job they can find. They can be completely mentally and physically messed up from their 1st tour and the military will still take them back as long as they can walk.
Welfare isn't emergency help. Emergency help comes quickly. Welfare takes a long time to be approved for. One person in MI even tried to tell us we weren't eligible since DH hadn't physically resided in MI in the past year. That was about the clincher in deciding to move.
Bahet could your dh have gotten VA ins? I know a lady whose dh got that when he came back from compat (serving) and is still on it. Its just for him. NOT the family. But they have their kids on that schip. So all she has to do is pay for her own. I don't know how any of that stuff works. I know he goes to a va place for his meds scripts etc. Thats basically all I know. But its free for him. Everything the meds etc. He pays NOTHING. Maybe you could check into it. All he did is had a torn rotaters cuff or something like that......
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Originally Posted by
Bahet
No one gets laid off on Monday and gets food stamps and medicaid on Tuesday.
If one is laid off on Monday, Tuesday they can apply for unemployment.....is it 2 weeks before the 1st check? (I forget)
There's a reason so many of our troops and reservists are reenlisting. It's the only job they can find. They can be completely mentally and physically messed up from their 1st tour and the military will still take them back as long as they can walk.
This applies to everyone right now, not just ex-military......the job market is rough. 
But I agree, it's doubly a shame as these people served our country and deserve better.
Bahet, I may be confused about something. I know your DH was in the service at one time (enlisted). The last stint he did in Iraq, was it military (enlisted) or I recall something about working as a private contractor over there (not enlisted)? I'm not looking to pry but I know it's been mentioned before.
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Originally Posted by
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Bahet could your dh have gotten VA ins? I know a lady whose dh got that when he came back from compat (serving) and is still on it. Its just for him. NOT the family. But they have their kids on that schip. So all she has to do is pay for her own. I don't know how any of that stuff works. I know he goes to a va place for his meds scripts etc. Thats basically all I know. But its free for him. Everything the meds etc. He pays NOTHING. Maybe you could check into it. All he did is had a torn rotaters cuff or something like that......
My DH was a reservist for 22 years. He went to 2 wars ('91 and '03). He retired from the reserves 4 years ago. In return he gets base access in the states and commissary privileges (which aren't what they used to be. AAFES discovered they can charge roughly the same as WalMart.) He gets no insurance unless he's on active duty until he's 63. He gets no retirement pay until then either. The military really screws over reservists. We wouldn't even have base access at all here and our kids couldn't go to DodDs schools unless DH's employer (Air Force contractor on base) allowed it.
Originally Posted by
pepperpot
Bahet, I may be confused about something. I know your DH was in the service at one time (enlisted). The last stint he did in Iraq, was it military (enlisted) or I recall something about working as a private contractor over there (not enlisted)? I'm not looking to pry but I know it's been mentioned before.
DH was an enlisted reservist. He has several degrees but stayed enlisted because he has a bad back and knees and couldn't have done the runs necessary to become an officer. He was a reservist for 22 years. He went to Iraq from March '03 until May '04 as military. Because of various reasons from financial pressures to difficulty acclimating back to normal life (the VA offered no help and told him to try to get some rest when he went in complaining of night terrors.) he decided to go back to the ME as a contractor. A few of his friends who were in his unit had done that and they reported that it helped their mental state to be back in sort of that environment but with more civilization. It helped them create a bridge into normal life again.
In Jan '06 he left to go to Kuwait as a contractor. He came back in July '07. Because of the work he did there (IT) he was able to get a lot of new certifications and was able to change his career from construction management to IT. Having him in Kuwait for 1 1/2 years was hard but at least I knew he was safe there. TBH, things were starting to go downhill for us between the time he got home from Iraq and when he went to Kuwait. He was a mess and it was ruining our relationship. Even the kids noticed that he was always sad and moody. After he came home from Kuwait things were back to normal again. He got his head together over there and the transition back was much easier.
He worked a regular job in AZ after that but really enjoyed the contract work. Dealing with the military environment is his comfort zone now. When this job (contract) in Germany came up he was thrilled. Even better is one of his best friends from Kuwait is here too.
Of course, since all seemed to be perfect we had to have the rug pulled out. *sigh* After DH got here he was told that the 2 year contract was extended to 5 years. He wasn't obligated for that long. It just meant he had a guaranteed job for at least 5 years if he wanted. That was great news. About a month ago the AF decided to change things. DH and 4 other contractors in his office were told that their jobs are going to be changed to GS positions early next year. DH and the other 4 actually had to apply for their own jobs and they may not get them. We should find out next month. There is a bridge contract in place so their work will continue until the GS position takes over. Except there is one less job in the bridge contract than there are guys already working here. DH is the new guy.
Needless to say, we're incredibly stressed out right now. If all goes well DH will get his own job under a GS position and will go to work one day as a contractor for his company and the next day as a GS employee for the government with no other major changes. Worst case scenario is DH won't get his own job, won't get the bridge contract, and there won't be any other position to transfer him to. In that case we'd end up kicked off base, our kids would be kicked out of school and wouldn't even be able to attend boy/cub scouts since they are on base, and we'd be unemployed in a foreign country where we don't speak the language. We wouldn't be able to go back to our home in AZ as that's rented out on a 2 year lease. Even if we could, with no income we couldn't afford to move our entire household back. We could very well be seriously screwed. DH is a nervous wreck and frankly I'm scared out of my mind. If you (anyone) could spare any prayers +++ vibes or happy thoughts we'd really appreciate it.
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If you (anyone) could spare any prayers +++ vibes or happy thoughts we'd really appreciate it.
My prayers are with you and your family that all will work out well
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Originally Posted by
Jolie Rouge
I will be paying off those medical bills for years ... but it is MY situation.
My solution is to have cheapie dial up internet on a 386 computer running Win 95, no cell, no cable, eating day old bread and discount meat, wearing thrift store shoes and hand me down clothes because I don't see why anyone is responsible for my bills but me & mine....
By your assessment everyone at BBS should send me $50 to go towards that medical debt ... wether they want to or not; if they can afford to or not... so ... anyone who wants to donate ... er mandate ... send me a PM.
I'll be holding my breath ... :blue:
I commend you!!! See its for this I believe in MEDICAL bankruptcy. I do NOT believe in bankruptcy for CC's or mortgages when people spend more than they could afford UNLESS it was because OF a MEDICAL reason that caused them to go bankrupt! JMHO
also may I ask why abortion keeps getting thrown into this thread??
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