Thread: This is so true !!!!!!!!!!!! about illegal immigration.....

Vicky, I don't think anyone would care if you have a dissenting opinion, if (big IF) you actually put something intellegent behind your rants.

1.) Illegals do not belong here, they committed a crime.
2.) They drain far more in cost than any benefit they provide.
3.) They do not do work we jobs we will not, they do it for less than we wil.
4.) They are afforded aide, when many of our own Citizens go without because of them.
5.) They get medical care for free because they cannot be traced, hospitals write off their bills, because the ID and SSN number they provided are false/stolen, whereas the one a Citizen would provide is not and can be tracked. (Many times the actual owner of the SSN is tracked down and held responsible for the cost of treatment)
6.) Their children are being educated at a cost of 1/3 to 1/2 more than a Citizen's child. that is money that could be spent to educate our own kids.
7.) Many are illeducated in their own language, and refuse to learn ours.
8.) All are criminals by their very first act. All perpetuate the crimes by obtaining false/stolen ID's or work under the table. The owner of the SSN is held responsible for taxes and their lives can be destroyed.
9.) Neighborhoods and communities are destoyed by influxes of illegals due to crime, drugs and a lack of respect for property.

Notice, no where in this post did I mention a race or nationality. I could care less what the race or country of origin are, if they came here illegally, they need to leave. Now.

I have a few questions...and some comments...

How come when a cop pulls over a person that is here illegally they aren't sent back to their country?

Also when an illegal person goes to the hospital or to the state to ask for help why isn’t a red flag sent out and they put back on the next bus, plane or train home?

The things that make me really mad is when they do get caught being here illegally or having stolen ID, SSN etc and they act dumb like they didn’t know what they were doing was wrong! Did it somehow slip their minds that they gave someone money for those things and their name isn’t the same?? They cry and beg to stay here. Again if any American was to steal an ID or SSN are butts would be in jail so fast we wouldn’t have time to cry and beg..

Also, if I didn’t have health insurance as an American and went to the doctor I’m sent to a collection agency for the balance. Illegal people get off with no bill because there is no SSN or ID# to send them to collections. And all's they would have to do is go back to their home country or buy a new ID/SSN. But I’m in debt for years..NOT FAIR IMO!

It also makes me made I’ve lived here all my life and I work hard for my broken down 1994 Trooper and my basement apt I live in and I’m happy with it but would love to have better for myself and my son someday, but it ticks me off that Illegal people with in about 1 year of being in the US can have brand new trucks and brand new houses to live in & still be illegal!!! WTF???

I totally agree with the very first posted letter because all that stuff is very much alive and true! I live in UT and I see it on a daily basis you got to Wal-Mart and I swear you’re in a foreign country!

Here in UT its very true that they put “their” flag above the American flag & even know I’m young and have never fought in a war when I hear/say the pledge of allegiance or sing/hear our national anthem or even see our American flag at half staff I tear up because I know how many peoples lives were lost for our freedom and I’m very thankful! I don’t think people from other countries truly understand just how thankful & prideful us Americans can get sometimes. They do take advantage of the fact that Americans are so willing to help them and its like the word spreads like a wild fire and they all come running over here. If we don’t do something to crack down on it there will be no more money/help to go around for ANYONE! And sad but true I do believe a US citizan should get help before an illigal. Look at how low our American dollar is getting. The UK dollar is stronger than ours because ours is going to fight a war that isn’t doing the US any good and to feed, provide medical and housing for people that are here illegally.

I just don’t get if illegal people are so darn proud of their home country why don’t they fight like we did for freedom? Nobody said it was easy for us to do but we did it.

Originally Posted by starduster31

Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I know you can help with this.

I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here.

So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.

3. All government forms need to be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.

9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police officers speak English.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and don’t enforce any labor laws or tax laws.

13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail hunting with your V.P.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

Mexico’s Glass House.
Someone over at the Center for Security Policy has written the first in a series of articles about the Mexican government and THEIR immigration policies. The first one, which I’ve linked to, points out what the Mexican constitution says on that regard, and how much more harsh it is than OUR current laws.

Every country has the right to restrict the quality and quantity of foreign immigrants entering or living within its borders. If American policymakers are looking for legal models on which to base new laws restricting immigration and expelling foreign lawbreakers, they have a handy guide: the Mexican constitution.

Promulgated in 1917, the constitution of the United Mexican States borrows heavily from American constitutional and legal principles. It combines those principles with a strong sense nationalism, cultural self-identity, paternalism, and state power.

Mexico's constitution contains many provisions to protect the country from foreigners, including foreigners legally resident in the country and even foreign-born people who have become naturalized Mexican citizens. The Mexican constitution segregates immigrants and naturalized citizens from native-born citizens by denying immigrants basic human rights that Mexican immigrants enjoy in the United States. By making increasing demands that the U.S. not enforce its immigration laws and, indeed, that it liberalize them, Mexico is throwing stones within its own glass house. This paper, the first of a short series on Mexican immigration double-standards, examines the Mexican constitution's protections against immigrants, and concludes with some questions about U.S. policy.


( way to much to C&P - hit the site and read in it's entirety for yourself ... http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.o... &newsid=11942 )

The summary....

Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.

Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.

Immigrants are denied equal employment access.

Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens.

Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.

Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.

Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants) and hand them to the authorities.

Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process.


[quote=whatever]don't kill the messenger
http://www.bigbigforums.com/news-inf...messenger.html

Check out these figures!! Has the U.S. Government gone mad, or is it just the people who are running it....

So often, we get caught up in a debate over political semantics and end up ignoring the hard-shell realities of what we're talking about. According to http://www.ImmigrationCounters.Com here are some of the realities that the Flake-Gutierrez Bill would airbrush out of the picture:

Number of Illegal Aliens in the Country 20,807,645

Money Wired to Mexico City since January, 2006 $22,213,001,672.00

Cost of Social Security Services for Illegal Aliens since 1996 $397,450,739,563.00

Number of Children of Illegal Aliens in Public Schools 3,958,789

Cost of Illegal Aliens in K-12 Since 1996: $13, 965,063,431.00

Number of Illegal Aliens Incarcerated 332,594

Cost of Incarcerations Since 2001 $1,398,127,429.00

Number of Illegal Aliens Fugitives 642,799

Skilled Jobs Taken by Illegal Aliens 9,872,838


Figures can trick your eyes. Take particular note that items 2,3,5, and 7 reflect BILLIONS not millions of dollars -- and that item 3 exceeds one-third of a TRILLION] dollars.

Can you imagine how much it will cost taxpayers if we triple the number of Illegals entering this country!!

OMG Jolie those are some frightening figures!

I have 2 Mexican foster daughters (their Mother is legal) but I still have NO sympathy for an illegal now........no matter what. GO HOME.

I was in the grocery this weekend and saw something that really irritated me. Kraft foods had a parmesean cheese display with coupons. On the coupons, the first line was huge bold spanish "bubble print" telling what the savings were. In small plain print was details in english savings. It kinda shows you what this country is going to. Even business is pandering to them.

Lol. This is so funny.

Originally Posted by onfire4god57

Well actually getting back to the original post.............

I have read this before, I agreed with it before and I still agree with it now.

In no other country would we as USA citizens be allowed to go and demand the rights that people from Mexico have demand (and yes they have demanded) from the USA.

No other citizens from other countries other than Mexico have ever demanded that their country's flag be flown with ours, or in the place of our flag.

No non citizen, or illegal citizen should ever be able to demand "rights" in our country.

I have no problem with people coming here from any country as long as they do it legally. And learn the LANGUAGE!!!!!!! That is by the way in the papers they sign when they become legalized citizens. Which makes me wonder how so many people can pass this test but still can't speak the language.

We should not have to "Press 1" for English, it should be standard on all phone calls.

We should not have to go to the store and try to figure out what we're trying to buy because it's not written in English. Hey I guess if we can figure it out by the pictures on the packages when it's written spanish, then that means that instead of being written in spanish it should be written in English and those that can't read it look at the pictures!

How come because of our last name we don't get our foodstamps until the 7th of the month, but if you're a "migrant worker" they get theirs on the 1st of the month. I guess we don't get as hungry as they do.

Like I said I have no problem with people from other countries coming here to make a better life, just do it legally and LEARN THE LANGUAGE!!!!

Oh, and I don't even know how to use the spell checker

very well said and ITA!!!

Originally Posted by okie

Yeah, it's real funny that my taxes are going to illegals when that money could be going to our troops, roads, healthcare, etc. Maybe you would like to support them all since you seem to be the only one that supports them being here.

you will do better just to put her on ignore. It is impossible to have an intelligent debate with her because...........well she lacks the intelligence to see the other person's side

I just wanted to thank Boopster for the nice reply.

The way it was in the past is the way it ought to be now.