Thread: Muslim cabby's refuse passengers

Originally Posted by LuvBigRip

http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm

1. Q: What are the laws that apply to my business?


A: Under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), privately owned businesses that serve the public, such as restaurants, hotels, retail stores, taxicabs, theaters, concert halls, and sports facilities, are prohibited from discriminating against individuals with disabilities. The ADA requires these businesses to allow people with disabilities to bring their service animals onto business premises in whatever areas customers are generally allowed.

I do not disagree that there are laws.

Originally Posted by MistyWolf

Being a server, if I am waiting on an ass as a customer .. I have the right to refuse service to them .. isn't that the same as a taxi driver? I would think so!

Yes, you have the right to refuse service if you are being abused or in fear/danger, not for a preference. You are not discriminating..... However, just because you are carrying a closed alcohol bottle and are refused is discrimination.

Originally Posted by YankeeMary

I think drugs and alcohol are both actually health issues as well. Its funny how we all want freedom only for ourselves, not those whom are different then us. They are cab drivers not vets yet they are wrong because they don't want dogs in there cabs. He isn't working "for the public" they are working for themselves, they aren't firemen or cops. You don't call the cops or the firemen to take you from the airport home do you?
Hotel owners are allowed to "say no dogs" and some even say no to kids. Yet no one complains about that.

For now, drugs & alcohol are legal. If they were illegal, that would be different. Why should a blind person who has a dog be refused a cab????

Dogs at hotel rooms often make messes in rooms and leave their dander imposing on those with allergies. A dog in a cab will not be staying the prolonged period do really have this as a concern.

I beg to differ, they are 'serving the public' - unless they are a private limousine service or private cab which in our state/city, cannot pick of fares that are 'haled' from a street corner, airport or such. Private cabs here are considered 'car service' and you must telephone them, he can go work there.

Originally Posted by YankeeMary

I do not disagree that there are laws.

So, you think it is ok for them to pick and choose which laws they decide to follow based on religious beliefs? So, we should allow female genital mutilation, because it is part of someones religious beliefs, we should allow killings of females who are raped, because the men are shamed based on their archaic religious beliefs? Where does it stop? The law states that you cannot discriminate. Period. They are contract workers. Under a contract with a Federal facility. When do the rights of the masses come in to play? They don't want to deal with alcohol, move to a dry town. They don't want to deal with service dogs, move to a different country. How is it that it is ok for their religious beliefs to be imposed on everyone else, when it is not ok for Majority of American who have Christian beliefs to be imposed on the few who do not believe in a higher power?

Originally Posted by pepperpot

For now, drugs & alcohol are legal. If they were illegal, that would be different. Why should a blind person who has a dog be refused a cab????

Dogs at hotel rooms often make messes in rooms and leave their dander imposing on those with allergies. A dog in a cab will not be staying the prolonged period do really have this as a concern.

I beg to differ, they are 'serving the public' - unless they are a private limousine service or private cab which in our state/city, cannot pick of fares that are 'haled' from a street corner, airport or such. Private cabs here are considered 'car service' and you must telephone them, he can go work there.

Drugs are now legal?
I did not say that I thought a blind person should be refused a cab ride because of their dog, I "think" its wrong and horrible, but I can't take away his right, because I want to keep mine. What I am saying is his right to refuse is as equal as my right not to ride in his cab. Discrimination works both ways, and to take his relegious right away from him is WRONG and against everything this country stands for. You have the option not to get in his cab as he has a right not to allow you in his cab. This pick and choose who gets rights is an insult to our fore fathers, who died fighting for our freedom. Obviously they are here in this country of the land and of the free to have a better life, why aren't they entitled to that? We can't have it both way, it is freedome for all.

If he works for the public, he does not have the right to discriminate. He has the option to work privately to suit his religious beliefs. No one said he couldn't practice his religion. And, he should respect others for their beliefs as well, not dictate his religious beliefs to the public.

Originally Posted by YankeeMary

Drugs are now legal?

No, the drugs just kind of snuck in there. It wasn't in the original post neither. But if it's a legal drug, fine, illegal, no, it's contraband.

Originally Posted by YankeeMary

I did not say that I thought a blind person should be refused a cab ride because of their dog, I "think" its wrong and horrible, but I can't take away his right, because I want to keep mine.

So the blind person should leave his dog behind?

So if you think that it is wrong, then why are you defending his right to refuse the dog?? This driver just doesn't meet the requirements for this job and he should work elsewhere.

You chose to be the religion that your are along with their beliefs. If the job description includes something that you chose not to do, it's not the job for you, look elsewhere.

Originally Posted by LuvBigRip

So, you think it is ok for them to pick and choose which laws they decide to follow based on religious beliefs? So, we should allow female genital mutilation, because it is part of someones religious beliefs, we should allow killings of females who are raped, because the men are shamed based on their archaic religious beliefs? Where does it stop? The law states that you cannot discriminate. Period. They are contract workers. Under a contract with a Federal facility. When do the rights of the masses come in to play? They don't want to deal with alcohol, move to a dry town. They don't want to deal with service dogs, move to a different country. How is it that it is ok for their religious beliefs to be imposed on everyone else, when it is not ok for Majority of American who have Christian beliefs to be imposed on the few who do not believe in a higher power?

Its real simple here, we aren't talking about female gental mutlations or rape or anyother stuff you decide to bring into this thread, we are simply talking about an individuals rights, whether they be religious rights, or any type of right. I haven't heard of to many gental mutilations here in the states, actually, I can only recall one and it was done by someone with a severe mental illness. When the threat of that does occur here in this country then it will be worth discussing. What happens in other countries are none of our business if we take care of things here in the land of opportunity we will have our hands full. There is an awful lot of side stepping in this thread (I am included) as always.
You all can talk all day long and come up with a 100 different scenerios (sp)and it will not make a difference in my eyes at all. I value my rights and my freedon without fear of being tortured or killed. The main point that I was/am trying to make is lost in frivious crap. I think its sad that the most that have posted here in objection to these peoples would be the first to raise hell if someone infringed on their rights. Everyone in this country is entitled to freedom and rights.

Originally Posted by pepperpot

If he works for the public, he does not have the right to discriminate. He has the option to work privately to suit his religious beliefs. No one said he couldn't practice his religion. And, he should respect others for their beliefs as well, not dictate his religious beliefs to the public.

He is not dictating his beliefs, he is just following his beliefs. Why doesn't he have that right? Why is he different from you?
Jehovah witmesses come to your door, you don't believe in their ways, do you say not interested and shut the door in their face? Or do you see them coming and hide? If you have done either then you are discriminating against them.

Originally Posted by pepperpot

No, the drugs just kind of snuck in there. It wasn't in the original post neither. But if it's a legal drug, fine, illegal, no, it's contraband.



So the blind person should leave his dog behind?

So if you think that it is wrong, then why are you defending his right to refuse the dog?? This driver just doesn't meet the requirements for this job and he should work elsewhere.

You chose to be the religion that your are along with their beliefs. If the job description includes something that you chose not to do, it's not the job for you, look elsewhere.

Since we are created equally, I view the blind person no different then I would myself. If the cab driver told me, sorry you can't get in my cab I don't allow dogs, alcohol, fat women, whatever his reason is, then I would simply get another cab. Life is to long to go around worrying about someone doing me wrong and whether or not I was discriminated against.
I am only defending his right to refuse dogs or anyone because I value my rights and believe in what this country stands for. Martin Luther King died fighting in what he believed in, which was that ALL men be treated equally. Thank God he didn't let anyone stop him for standing up for his rights.

Originally Posted by YankeeMary

He is not dictating his beliefs, he is just following his beliefs. Why doesn't he have that right? Why is he different from you?

I believe our difference is the definition of 'serving the public'. A taxi that picks up fares from the 'street' (airport, etc.) is 'serving the public', a 'car service' or 'limosine' is a private service and they may dictate what they will or will not handle.

For certain Jewish men, they are not allowed to touch the opposite sex, women. Without special religious dispensation, they cannot work on a 'public ambulance', however, on a 'private' one without dispensation they can. If you are a female victim/patient and a religious Jewish paramedic comes to the call....should he have the 'right' to refuse to give treatment because it's against his religion??

As for firefighters or police officers transporting passengers from airports, it's not in the job description.

Originally Posted by YankeeMary

Jehovah witmesses come to your door, you don't believe in their ways, do you say not interested and shut the door in their face? Or do you see them coming and hide? If you have done either then you are discriminating against them.

He has the right to ring my doorbell, I have the right to answer or not. If they keep coming back, I have the right to post on my property that 'if you are a jehovah's witness, I'm not interested, please don't ring my bell', but I don't have the right to change a street sign saying 'no jehovah's on this block'.

The real issue is public / private and a willingness to fit a job description.