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    Re: What do YOU think about women in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by onfire4god57
    Well I am usually not the first one to disagree on something, but considering noone else has stepped forward to disagree than let me be the first one.

    No, I do not believe that woman she be in the middle of a combat zone. I guess I am still from the old school of learning that a woman's place is in the home taking care of the children and her husband.

    I have seen so many news stories about woman having the tearful goodbyes with their little ones and saying how much they are going to miss them and stuff like that. Well if you knew you were going to have children then why did you sign up for the military. Isn't it bad enough that so many children loose their fathers to the wars that now they risk loosing their mothers also.

    I am no where close to being into women's lib. I still believe that a man is stronger than a woman. And I firmly believe that a man respects a woman more when she isn't trying to compete with him.

    I still enjoy when a man holds a door open for me, just because I am a lady. I enjoy when a man offers to assist me with something just because I am a lady. Women wonder why men don't respect them anymore, but as women we've taken that away from them by trying to prove that we are as good as they are or as strong as they are.

    Flame away all you want, it doesn't matter. But this is my opinion on the subject.

    I agree with everything you said. I'm not into the women's lib thing at all either. I don't think a lot of women knew what they were getting themselves into when they started all that crap.

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    Re: What do YOU think about women in combat?

    Personally, I don't believe that alot of us so called women's libbers would have had to take the stance of equal pay for equal work if the men in their lives would have stepped up to the plate and accepted responsibility for the women and children in their lives. If they would have stayed and not strayed, if they would pay their child support, most of the single working mom's demanding equal pay for equal work, would not be where they are today. I would have been more than happy to take care of my ex husband, and our children, had he been just as willing to take care of me and our kids. Once I was forced out of our own business and into the corporate world, should I not be paid the same? Should I not be as respected as the men I worked with? Is my monetary value less in the working world, but worth more in combat?

    Why shouldn't a woman compete with a man? She is just as intellegent, just as capable, just as qualified. What does this say about the measure of a man a woman chooses that he cannot respect a strong woman. I for one would not want a man who thinks so little of himself, that he cannot concede to a woman. I am raising my boys to know that girls and boys are equals, and that sometimes a man loses to a woman, and that is ok. Graciousness in both victory and defeat are more inticing attributes to me.

    And what, pray tell is the difference between the tears shed for a Mom leaving for war, vs a dad leaving for war? Are the tears shed for one parent any more valid than the others?

    I too enjoy when a man opens a door for me. I also have no qualms about opening a door for a man. I think it is just common courtesy. I also am pleased if a man offers me help in changing a tire, but that doesn't mean I will sit around waiting for one to rescue me. I am not trying to proove that I am as good as a man is, I AM as good as a man is. No better, no worse.
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    Re: What do YOU think about women in combat?

    I guess I'm just old fashioned and believe in the traditional gender roles. It also has to do with how I grew up. Unfortunately times change and not everything can be like it was back in the 50's.

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    Re: What do YOU think about women in combat?

    i don't believe they should be allowed to be in combat situations. yes, we are smart as men but physically.........we just don't compare. alot of women THINK they are physically equal but i've seen many a man fight in the jail i worked at and let me tell you, most of them would put a serious hurting on any woman i've ever met. i've seen the women fighting too in jail and mostly it's just catfighting (hairpulling, scratching and so forth) although i've seen a few good punches thrown. even if women were taught how to fight..........unless they take steriods or other hormones, they just physically are not equal (the majority that is).

    now, i'm only talking about fighting on the front lines here.......the rest of the military.......i think they can and should work.
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    Re: What do YOU think about women in combat?

    If they want to let them It doesn't bother me one bit

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    Re: What do YOU think about women in combat?

    Most combat is NOT hand to hand. They have weapons and as in most situations you need patience, stamina and critical thinking skills. Woman can do all these as well as men. They physical aspect comes into play during manuvers while in the zone and you need to climb using upper body strength which ment then have an advantage. Men will go out on a limb for another comrade be in male or female. There are woman I would like to have fighting next to me as well as some men that I would not.

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    Re: What do YOU think about women in combat?

    Well, if the retention issues keep up the way they are going (especially with low recruitment problems) women will have to go on the front line and fire a weapon...otherwise who else will?
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    Re: What do YOU think about women in combat?

    Well YankeeMary somehow I guess I missed Freebielover's reply. I guess it was because I had been thinking for 2 days whether I was going to respond to this topic or not.

    And Patchouli I agree with you, I was also raised with the old traditional gender roles. My mother never worked, she stayed home and took care of us kids and the house, my father was the sole bread winner.

    And I was once a single mom for awhile also, but when I was married to my first husband, I did not work, my job was to take care of the kids and the house and to see that my husbands needs were met.

    I realize that times have greatly changed, but I still don't think that our women should be in the middle of combat no matter what other countries are doing. And I also don't agree with women mandatorly being drafted.

    And LuvBigRip, you asked;
    And what, pray tell is the difference between the tears shed for a Mom leaving for war, vs a dad leaving for war? Are the tears shed for one parent any more valid than the others?


    To me I think that there is a big difference. For as long as we can remember it's always been a normal thing for the men, the daddy's to be going off to war and some not returning, but it just doesn't seem normal for the mommy's to be leaving their children.

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    Re: What do YOU think about women in combat?

    Just because something has always been, does not make it any more right. Should black men and women be made to ride the back of the bus, because it always was? Should women not be allowed to vote, because it always was? Should women in other countries be forced into marriage, forced into genital mutilation, be sacrificed for family honor because it always was? I think that we as a people evolve into a better race of people through knowledge.

    Just because something has become "normal" in our way of thinking doesn't make it right. I think that there are men out there that make better homemakers. I think that some women make better warriors. I think that each should be given the choice to do what is right for them. If a woman wants to be in the military, she should be afforded all the opportunities provided, and accept the dangers that entails.

    As for being drafted, I don't think that a man or woman should be forced to serve.

    Edited to add: With my ex-husband, I also stayed home and took care of him, the children and house , as well as running our business. I would have loved to have continued on like that, however, as good as he had it, he thought he could do better. I learned then and there, I would never put myself or my kids in a position where I was unable to financially take care of us again.
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    Re: What do YOU think about women in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by onfire4god57
    Well YankeeMary somehow I guess I missed Freebielover's reply. I guess it was because I had been thinking for 2 days whether I was going to respond to this topic or not.

    And Patchouli I agree with you, I was also raised with the old traditional gender roles. My mother never worked, she stayed home and took care of us kids and the house, my father was the sole bread winner.

    And I was once a single mom for awhile also, but when I was married to my first husband, I did not work, my job was to take care of the kids and the house and to see that my husbands needs were met.

    I realize that times have greatly changed, but I still don't think that our women should be in the middle of combat no matter what other countries are doing. And I also don't agree with women mandatorly being drafted.

    And LuvBigRip, you asked;
    And what, pray tell is the difference between the tears shed for a Mom leaving for war, vs a dad leaving for war? Are the tears shed for one parent any more valid than the others?


    To me I think that there is a big difference. For as long as we can remember it's always been a normal thing for the men, the daddy's to be going off to war and some not returning, but it just doesn't seem normal for the mommy's to be leaving their children.
    Although I don;t completely agree I do applaude your staying home to take care of the children. My wife is a SAHWM; without her income we're sunk.
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