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    Valkyrie

    Saw this movie last night. Excellent movie. Even though you know they did not succeed in killing Hitler you were rooting for them. On the edge of my seat for much of it.

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    I'm am looking forward to seeing this as well., it has about every one of my favorite British actors in it.
    Plus, I absolutely love the writer /director.
    I'll wait for the dvd, unless it is a super special movie, I rarely go to the theater.
    I was kind of upset that it didn't do better, but its kind of a downer film during the holiday season., hopefully it'll pick up some Oscar nominations & will do very well on the dvd market.
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    I have mixed feelings about going to see this movie. The storyline sounds wonderful and very suspenseful. But...I am so NOT a Tom Cruise fan that I hate to support any movie of his...even if it might be a good one.

    Maybe I'll watch it on DVD...LOL!
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    Poisonous Buzz

    http://a-list.msn.com/default.aspx?c...ous%20buzz

    Why was there so much bad buzz about "Valkyrie"? Was it the fact that everyone knows how the movie ends (they don't kill Hitler)? Was it Tom Cruise? Or was it that eye patch?


    The rancor for "Valkyrie" was so pervasive, many critics were surprised that the movie (and more specifically, Cruise's performance) didn't stink. Variety says Cruise is "stiff but adequate", and Roger Ebert calls him "perfectly satisfactory" in the role of Claus von Stauffenberg. (MSN Movies, however, deems him "distractingly bad.")

    With dedicated movie fans blogging about every production problem and dissecting trailers months before movies actually hit theaters, it can be hard for a movie to recover from early Internet criticism.

    As Ebert put it in his mostly positive review of "Valkyrie": "Movie publicity is now driven by gossip, scandal and the eagerness of fanboys and girls to attract attention by posing as critics of movies they've almost certainly not seen."

    Whatever the reason, poisonous buzz about the movie surely hurt its chances at the box office. Search reveals the reviews of other recent movies tainted by premature pans:

    "Australia";

    "The Spirit";

    "Seven Pounds";

    "The Happening"; and

    "The Day the Earth Stood Still."

    Here are some upcoming movies with lots of buzz, both positive and negative:

    "G.I. Joe: Rise of Cobra";

    "Cleopatra" (a 3-D musical starring Catherine Zeta-Jones);

    "Inglourious Basterds" (helmed by Quentin Tarantino and starring Brad Pitt);

    And finally, the new "Star Trek."

    Read previous A-lists, special quizzes and more.

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    http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...IEWS/812229989

    Valkyrie


    / / / December 22, 2008

    Cast & CreditsVon Stauffenberg Tom Cruise
    Von Tresckow Kenneth Branagh
    Fromm Tom Wilkinson
    Beck Terence Stamp
    Fellgiebel Eddie Izzard
    Olbricht Bill Nighy
    Remer Thomas Kretschmann

    MGM/UA presents a film directed by Bryan Singer. Written by Christopher McQuarrie and Nathan Alexander. Running time: 120 minutes. Rated PG-13 (for violence and brief strong language).




    by Roger Ebert

    "Valkyrie" is a meticulous thriller based on a large- scale conspiracy within the German army to assassinate Hitler, leading to a failed bombing attempt on July 20, 1944. At the center of the plot was Col. Claus von Stauffenberg, played here by Tom Cruise as the moving force behind the attempted coup, which led to 700 arrests and 200 executions, including von Stauffenberg's. Because we know Hitler survived, the suspense is centered in the minds of the participants, who call up the Reserve Army and actually arrest SS officials before discovering that their bomb did not kill its target.

    Considering they were planning high treason with the risk of certain death, the conspirators seem remarkably willing to speak almost openly of their contempt for Hitler. That may be because they were mostly career officers in the army's traditional hierarchy and hated Hitler as much for what he was doing to the army as for what he was doing to the country. Realizing after the invasion of Normandy that the war was certainly lost, they hoped to spare hundreds of thousands of military and civilian lives.

    Von Stauffenberg was known to be "offended" by the Nazi treatment of Jews in the 1930s and considered the Kristallnacht a disgrace to Germany, which possibly disturbed him as much as the fate of its victims. In any event, little is said among the conspirators about the genocide then underway -- although, being alienated from the SS, perhaps they didn't know what was happening. Perhaps.



    Claus von Stauffenberg actually looked something like Tom Cruise.
    (photo source: Wikipedia)

    (Enlarge Image)They repeatedly tell each other that even should they fail, at least the world would know that not all Germans supported Hitler. And so it does. And whatever their deepest motives, they gave their lives in trying to kill the monster. The film, directed by Bryan Singer ("The Usual Suspects"), works heroically to introduce us to the major figures in the plot, to tell them apart, to explain their roles and to suggest their differences. The two best supporting performances are by Kenneth Branagh, as a major-general who smuggles a bomb into Hitler's inner circle and then must smuggle it out again, and Tom Wilkinson, as a general who artfully plays both sides of the fence, treating the plot with benign neutrality while covering himself should it fail.

    Tom Cruise is perfectly satisfactory, if not electrifying, in the leading role. I'm at a loss to explain the blizzard of negative advance buzz fired at him for the effrontery of playing a half-blind, one-armed Nazi hero. Two factors may be to blame: (a) Cruise has attracted so much publicity by some of his own behavior (using Oprah's couch as a trampoline) that anything he does sincerely seems fair game for mockery, and (b) movie publicity is now driven by gossip, scandal and the eagerness of fanboys and girls to attract attention by posing as critics of movies they've almost certainly not seen. Now that the movie is here, the buzz is irrelevant, but may do residual damage.

    If I say that Cruise is not electrifying, I must add that with this character, in this story, he cannot and should not be. This is a film about veterans of officer rank, with all the reserve and probity that officers gather on the way up. They do not scream or hurry and do not care to be seen that way. They have learned not to panic under fire, and they have never been more under fire than now.

    A key element of their plot is to use Hitler's "Valkyrie" plan against him. The reserves were held back to defend Berlin and Hitler in case of an Allied assault, so von Stauffenberg conceived the strategy of killing Hitler, ordering up the reserves to ensure stability and making its first order of business the immobilization of the SS. We see that the plan might well have worked. Indeed, it did -- until the news arrived that Hitler was still alive. So much did the Fuhrer command the fanatical loyalty of troops and civilians with an almost mystical grip, that merely his voice on the radio could defeat the plot, even with Germany clearly facing ruin.

    The July 20 plot is an intriguing footnote to history, one of those "what if" scenarios. If it had succeeded, one of the hopes of the conspirators was said to be an alliance with the Allies against Russia. Given the political realities of the time, when Russia was seen as our ally, that would have been insane, but it shows the plotters continuing to dream of a reborn professional German army with roles for them. The question of the liberation of the death camps is a good one. Even the Allies did not bomb the rail lines leading to them. There were so very, very many people who did not know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelsey1224 View Post
    I have mixed feelings about going to see this movie. The storyline sounds wonderful and very suspenseful. But...I am so NOT a Tom Cruise fan that I hate to support any movie of his...even if it might be a good one.

    Maybe I'll watch it on DVD...LOL!
    This is why I also won't go see it. My $8 might not be much, but I won't spend it on one of his movies.

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    Thanks, Janelle. You have peaked my interest even more and I may have to overlook my aversion to anything Tom Cruise just to see this fascinating story. But...I hate giving him one thin dime...and it wasn't his couch hopping that turned me off as much as his patronizing attitude toward women with post partum depression...as if he is someone with a medical degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosdata1 View Post
    This is why I also won't go see it. My $8 might not be much, but I won't spend it on one of his movies.
    I agree w/ you both.. and unfortunately it would be $10+ for me to see it.. no thanks. They should have picked a better front man IMHO. (as long as it wasn't Russell Crow I boycott his movies too)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shann View Post
    I agree w/ you both.. and unfortunately it would be $10+ for me to see it.. no thanks. They should have picked a better front man IMHO. (as long as it wasn't Russell Crow I boycott his movies too)
    Yep, same here...I had the misfortune of watching him in some movie called Magnolia and that kinda soured me on him, but then as time has gone by I've just disliked him even more. There are a few others that I don't like and won't watch their movies.

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    I've actually come to like Tom Cruise alot the older we've both gotten, in his TopGun, Cocktail days I just thought he was a him-bo (male bim-bo), but lately he's been really taking alot more risky roles and doing a fantastic job doing so.

    He was the best part of Tropic Thunder. Who would've thought?!
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