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why was the website down? could there be a nefarious reason such as a great excuse to extend the deadline?
why has it been reported about the millions who have been signing up at the last minute? could it have anything to do with the threat...promise...of fining people? the mexican consulates helping people who speak spanish to sign up? (if you are an american, aren't you suppose to be able to speak read and comprehend english?)
hate letters to a cancer patient - did harry reid's comment about these people being all liars which now he says he never sad or doesn't remember saying that?
obama using celebrities to promote a product that the celebrities do not own or plan to use and who obama is paying with taxpayers money which his transparent government probably could not say how much they have spent.
the obama administration being in total darkness as to how many people have actually paid, how many are young and healthy, how many older and ill, and since verification doesn't exist how many have filled in the info honestly even though navigators have been recorded as telling people to not put the whole truth down. if people had to put down their whole family's ssns, who will verify that there is no fraud there. (as reported the irs gave refunds + additional money to people who claimed relatives who were not us citizens and didn't even live in this country......pentagon has apologized for sending checks to non employees, people with out ssns, people who have been dead for years, ss has sent out payments to dead people, and how many ppl collect ss who have bought ssns?)
if this administration truly believed in obamacare, all US citizens would have had to signup for it no matter if they were the person next door, the president, the congress, all federal workers, no companies would have exemptions, waivers or the like AND there would only be one level of coverage since as obama says we are all equal. (and he wants all ceos to give their employees the same coverage they get - must have something to do with everyone being equal)
I hope that someone can uncover the name of the person who wrote that hate letter to Julie Boonstra. I put the blame of that on this administration and Harry Reid for inciting hatred. we should also remember obama's campaign for obamacare highlighting people who said they could not get coverage and treatment for their cancer but when the truth came out, those people were covered such as his mother! http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...er-whopper.htm
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Six Seconds of Awkward: CBS's Rose Gets Dead Air from Bill Daley About 'Badly Conceived' ObamaCare
By Kyle Drennen | April 1, 2014 | 10:22
Wrapping up an interview with President Obama's former White House chief of staff Bill Daley on Tuesday's CBS This Morning, co-host Charlie Rose wondered if it was "fair to say" that ObamaCare was "badly conceived."
After a long pause, Daley replied: "I didn't hear you, Charlie."
Rose let him off the hook, and was suddenly out of time: "I was asking whether it was badly conceived but I don't really have much time to consider that question. But thank you so much, Bill."
Daley responded: "Good, Charlie."
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Rose began the exchange by lobbing this softball to Daley: "Do you believe the President and do you believe he has it accurate when he says eight to ten years from now, health care, Affordable Health Care Act [sic] will be considered a monumental achievement?"
Daley proclaimed: "I don't think there's any question that time is on the President's side."
Daley continued: "And I do think that over time, when the American people get to understand the benefits from having a system that insures more people and makes sure that the costs do come down – and that's a big question over time – I think will be quite a statement for this administration, long-term."
Fellow co-host Norah O'Donnell declared: "You hit the nail on the head, which is the idea is that if you get everybody insured and if you get more young people buying insurance, the idea is it will lower costs for all of us. Because we all agree that health care costs are out of control."
She did press him on the effectiveness of the law: "What about then, news that still comes up that premium hikes continue to go up?" Daley argued:
Well, I think that's the $64,000 question for most people. Is what will their premiums be over time?...I think you're going to see, Norah, over time, a continuing emphasis by the administration of the benefits, especially to young people, to be in a system. And then those of us who are a little older will hopefully reap the benefits from having a system that is very much being paid for by the healthier people and younger people in society. But that's a big challenge. And this is the first step in a very long road for the Affordable Care Act.
Daley admitted: "I think there remains over the next seven months a tremendous challenge for Democrats to explain....to turn around the negative attitude about the ACA that seems to be out there....politically speaking in the next seven months this an enormous challenge for Democrats."
Here is a full transcript of the April 1 segment:
7:12 AM ET
CHARLIE ROSE: CBS News contributor Bill Daley is with us from Chicago, he is a former White House chief of staff for President Obama. Bill Daley, good morning.
BILL DALEY: How are you, Charlie?
ROSE: Good. Do you believe the President and do you believe he has it accurate when he says eight to ten years from now, health care, Affordable Health Care Act [sic] will be considered a monumental achievement?
[ON-SCREEN HEADLINE: Assessing ObamaCare; Fmr. White House Chief of Staff on Health Care Law]
DALEY: I don't think there's any question that time is on the President's side. And the rush at the end of the sign-up period indicates that the American people do – we know that there are plenty of people who are uninsured. And after the challenges of signing up and stumbling to the finish line yesterday, I think time is on his side.
And I do think that over time, when the American people get to understand the benefits from having a system that insures more people and makes sure that the costs do come down – and that's a big question over time – I think will be quite a statement for this administration, long-term. But these are – these are a lot of hurdles still to go over. And as shown yesterday, in spite of all of the positives, we're talking today about another glitch and another stumble, which is unfortunate.
NORAH O'DONNELL: You know, you hit the nail on the head, which is the idea is that if you get everybody insured and if you get more young people buying insurance, the idea is it will lower costs for all of us. Because we all agree that health care costs are out of control. What about then, news that still comes up that premium hikes continue to go up?
DALEY: Well, I think that's the $64,000 question for most people. Is what will their premiums be over time? I think there's an expectation that if you continue to see young people sign up, and this is the first year of this. So, we've got to see an acceptance by young people. In the theory that they insure themselves and they paid for that, in spite of a difficult economy where a lot of people, even small amounts of money is a challenge for some people to pay.
So I think you're going to see, Norah, over time, a continuing emphasis by the administration of the benefits, especially to young people, to be in a system. And then those of us who are a little older will hopefully reap the benefits from having a system that is very much being paid for by the healthier people and younger people in society. But that's a big challenge. And this is the first step in a very long road for the Affordable Care Act.
ROSE: But for politicians, now is the future, 2014 is when they're running. What's that going to mean for Democrats?
DALEY: I think there remains over the next seven months a tremendous challenge for Democrats to explain – obviously, seven million people went online and signed up and those seven million people obviously must have a good feeling about it – but I think it's quite a challenge in the next seven months to turn around the negative attitude about the ACA that seems to be out there.
But that's a challenge that, again, this is a game, as we said last fall when this thing started and there were all sorts of stumbles, that right now the administration's got to hit singles and doubles and not go for the wall in any way. Since opening day was yesterday, I thought baseball was a good analogy.
But I really do believe that this is a long game. And those who talk about repealing. It's not going to happen, first of all. Whatever happens this fall, the President has a veto. So that's not going to happen, a repeal. Maybe changes, maybe improvement over time, as the President said there should be. But politically speaking in the next seven months this an enormous challenge for Democrats.
ROSE: But is it fair to say it was badly conceived?
[LONG PAUSE]
DALEY: I didn't hear you, Charlie.
ROSE: I was asking whether it was badly conceived but I don't really have much time to consider that question. But thank you so much, Bill.
DALEY: Good, Charlie.
O'DONNELL: Thank you, Bill.
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CNN's Smerconish Brags He's a 'Card-Carrying Member of ObamaCare'
By Matt Hadro | April 1, 2014 | 22:48
It helps to be in the White House when a CNN host professes himself to be "card-carrying member" of the administration's health care law, or when the enrollment numbers are cast as a "major victory."
New CNN host Michael Smerconish touted the benefits of ObamaCare on Tuesday night, confessing he was a "card-carrying member of ObamaCare" and calling the enrollment numbers "quite an achievement." OutFront host Erin Burnett went even further, saying the enrollment was a "major victory." [ Audio here. http://newsbusters.org/sites/default...Care%2Cmp3.mp3 ]
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This despite Burnett admitting that major questions have yet to be answered:
"What we still don't know about the numbers, though, is how many people have actually paid for health insurance. Because you can sign up without yet paying. And how many young people are enrolled. Of course, that's going to be the key to future success as well as things like how much will premiums, in many cases set low to encourage people to sign up, surge in the coming year."
Below is a transcript of the segment:
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4/1/14
9:56 p.m. EST
MICHAEL SMERCONISH: Open enrollment for the first season of ObamaCare ended last night at midnight. And the administration is touting that it reached 7.1 million. You'll remember that 7 million was the original goal. It's quite an achievement, considering that botched launch back in October, which I experienced firsthand. For weeks, I was in health care purgatory. Since sunrise on the day of the launch October 1st, I attempted to shop for health insurance at Healthcare.gov, and almost eight weeks later I still hadn't been successful. My experience was a Kafka-esque nightmare of internet denial and telephone road blocks. But when I finally broke the log jam, I was offered 24 competitive plans by two insurance underwriters, and I acquired my plan. The most expensive option was an IBX platinum personal choice PPO for $2100 and change per month. It had a zero deductible and a $5,000 limit per family on out of pocket experiences. My least expensive choice was IBX bronze PPO, $1150 and change per month, with a $12,000 deductible per family.
Today, I guess you could say I'm a card-carrying member of ObamaCare. While reviewing my options, something occurred to me. You know who should be angry about ObamaCare? Real socialists. The Tea Party opponents of the Affordable Care Act promised them a government incursion that the new law doesn't deliver on. Just think back to those rallies of 2009 and 2010, all those signs mocking President Obama with the word "socialist" emblazoned upon them. They were as common as the Gadsden flags, the "Don't Tread on Me" flags. But the health care exchanges bear no resemblance to what Miriam Webster defines as quote, "a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies."
And actual socialists, they've noticed. Last fall, Greg Pason, the national secretary for the Socialist Party, USA, told me "the ACA program relies on private health insurance companies to manage health services. A socialized system would not include health insurance, but would be an actual national health care system which would be publicly funded through progressive taxation and controlled by democratically-elected assemblies of health care workers and patients. And he's right. Under the Affordable Care Act, health insurance in America is still being delivered by private practitioners and paid for by private insurers. And the further irony is that those who were quick to level the socialist charge were advocating for the right of people to remain uninsured and burden everybody else. The only liberty interest that's being sacrificed under the Affordable Care Act is one's ability to be uninsured. And even that is violable. You can still exercise your right to be uninsured, but you're going to have to pay a fine. Look, it's too soon to know if the law's going to work. We need to know about the mix within the states between the healthy and the sick and whether premiums are affordable. The only thing for certain is what it isn't – socialism.
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ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT
4/1/14
[7:52 p.m. EST]
ERIN BURNETT: And tonight, a major victory for President Obama. Months of low enrollment numbers, you've heard about them left right and center, web site plagued with technical problems, but vindication for the President in terms of enrollment. The number of people signing up for ObamaCare exceeded expectations. 7.1 million people have enrolled, 100,000 more than the government's initial goal. Now, the President did admit the rollout was a bumpy one but he was sure to let his critics know he won.
(Video Clip)
BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States: Many of the tall tales that have been told about this law have been debunked. There are still no death panels. Armageddon has not arrived. Instead, this law is helping millions of Americans, and in the coming years it will help millions more.
(End Video Clip)
BURNETT: What we still don't know about the numbers, though, is how many people have actually paid for health insurance. Because you can sign up without yet paying. And how many young people are enrolled. Of course, that's going to be the key to future success as well as things like how much will premiums, in many cases set low to encourage people to sign up, surge in the coming year.Laissez les bon temps rouler!Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT!
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George Washington wanted Obamacare, Pelosi says
I can assure you, this didn't end with her saying, "April Fools."
Democratic leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi emerged into the sunlight April 1 to applaud a rush of sign-ups for Obamacare, and immediately described it as the long-sought goal of Gen. George Washington and the nation’s Founding Fathers in 1787.
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Democratic leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi emerged into the sunlight April 1 to applaud a rush of sign-ups for Obamacare, and immediately described it as the long-sought goal of Gen. George Washington and the nation’s Founding Fathers in 1787.
“It is really so heart warming for those of us who worked so hard [to make sure] many more people in our country would have access to healthcare,” she told reporters at the stakeout position just outside the West Wing portico.
“There are those critics, bumps in the road, but they’ve only been turbulence. They have not been an obstacle to the American people having healthier life that our that our founders wanted for them,” she said.
Those founders wanted “life — a healthier life — liberty and the freedom to pursue their happiness, not [be] job-locked, but having benefits that having health-care policies that are portable, they could be self-employed, be a photographer — they could start their own business, they could change jobs, they could reach their aspirations,” she declared.
“And isn’t that a wonderful thing for a society and for an economy?” she added.
In contrast, the GOP’s House leader, Speaker John Boehner, called for the law’s repeal.
“The president’s health care law continues to wreak havoc on American families, small businesses and our economy, and as I’ve said many times, the problem was never just about the website – it’s the whole law,” he said in a March 31 statement.
“Millions of Americans are seeing their premiums rise, not the lower prices the president promised. Many small businesses are afraid to hire new workers, instead cutting hours and dropping health coverage for existing employees. Many Americans can no longer see their family doctor, despite the pledge no one would lose access to their physician. Seniors are feeling the impact, losing their Medicare Advantage plans the president promised they could keep. And taxpayers are being forced to pick up an unaffordable tab,” he said.
“House Republicans will continue to work to repeal this law and protect families and small businesses from its harmful consequences,” he added.
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Cleveland Clinic CEO: Three-Quarters Of Americans Who Signed Up For Obamacare Now Have Higher Premiums
March 31, 2014 11:17 AM
CLEVELAND (CBS Cleveland/AP) — The CEO of the Cleveland Clinic says that a majority of Americans who signed up for Obamacare have seen their premiums rise. “About three-quarters of them find that their premiums are higher than they had been previously with other insurance,” Toby Cosgrove told Fox News.
Cosgrove explained that the Affordable Care Act is having a “major effect” upon health care providers. “We know for example that we’re going to get paid less for what we do,” Cosgrove stated. “Hospitals are going to be paid less for what they do. We also know that insurers are paying less for what we do.”
Cosgrove said providers need to “become more efficient” in how they deliver health care.
The White House says more than 6 million have signed up for health coverage, meaning the administration met its scaled back goal a few days early.
Those without health insurance face a fine of $95 or 1 percent of their income.
HealthCare.gov was down for several hours Monday as the deadline for open enrollment loomed.
The Obama administration announced last week that some consumers will be granted additional time to sign up for health insurance if they were unable to enroll in time.
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'The debate over repealing this law is over': Obama boasts 7.1 MILLION have signed up to Obamacare
- but study shows just 858,000 newly insured Americans have paid up!
President took a major victory lap and took political shots at Republicans, but ignored shortcomings in his administration's official numbers
Press secretary Jay Carney will only say 'we're aggregating a lot of data' when asked how many enrollees have paid for coverage
Carney dodged questions about damning study that showed very few Obamacare customers were uninsured before the law took effect
Percentages from a hush-hush RAND Corporation study suggest barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans have enrolled and paid premiums
HHS Secretary Sebelius met a televised challenge Monday about 'unpopular' Obamacare with lengthy awkward silence
By David Martosko, U.s. Political Editor
Published: 10:21 EST, 1 April 2014 | Updated: 13:20 EST, 2 April 2014
A triumphant President Barack Obama declared Tuesday his signature medical insurance overhaul a success, saying it has made America's health care system 'a lot better' in a Rose Garden press conference. But buried in the 7.1 million enrollments he announced in a heavily staged appearance is a more unsettling reality.
Numbers from a RAND Corporation study that has been kept under wraps suggest that barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans – nowhere near 7.1 million – have paid for new policies and joined the ranks of the insured by Monday night. Others were already insured, including millions who lost coverage when their existing policies were suddenly cancelled because they didn't meet Obamacare's strict minimum requirements.
Still, he claimed that 'millions of people who have health insurance would not have it' without his insurance law.'
'The goal we’ve set for ourselves – that no American should go without the health care they need ... is achievable,' Obama declared.
The president took no questions from reporters, but celebrated the end of a rocky six-month open-enrollment period by taking pot shots at Republicans who have opposed the law from the beginning as a government-run seizure of one-seventh of the U.S. economy. 'The debate over repealing this law is over,' he insisted. 'The Affordable Care Act is here to stay.'
'The goal we’ve set for ourselves – that no American should go without the health care they need ... is achievable,' Obama declared.
'In the end,' he warned the GOP, 'history is not kind to those who would deny Americans their basic economic security. ... That's what the Affordable Care Act represents.'
'“The bottom line is this,' said Obama: 'The share of Americans with insurance is up, and the growth in the cost of insurance is down. There’s no good reason to go back.'
Republicans will differ with that assessment as Election Day nears. They need to gain a net total of six Senate seats in order to reclaim the majority and control both houses of Congress, a goal that appears reachable since two-thirds of the seats being contested are held by Democratic incumbents.
No national political analyst has predicted a Democratic takeover of the House of Representatives.
White House press secretary Jay Carney stopped short of saying 'I told you so,' but chided a sparse press corps in the briefing room at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for ever doubting that the Obamacare system would enroll more than 7 million Americans. The 'final' enrollment day for Obamacare saw long lines and eleventh-hour panic, but the administration has rolled out a red carpet for latecomers who are willing to check a box and swear they tried to sign up on time
'At midnight last night we surpassed everyone's expectations,' he boasted, 'at least everyone in this room.'
While he took great pains to emphasize that the total would grow – saying 'we're still waiting on data from state exchanges' – he dodged tough questions about other statistics that reporters thought he should have had at the ready.
Those numbers included how many Americans have paid for their insurance policies, and are actually insured. Also, he had no answer to the thorny question of how few signups represented people who had no insurance before the Affordable Care Act took effect.
Aside from the issue of the numbers' likely decrease when non-paying enrollments are taken into account, administration officials have been coy about the RAND Corporation study, which suggests that relatively few Obamacare enrollees were previously uninsured.
'What I can tell you is that we expect there to be a good mix of people who were previously uninsured who now have insurance,' Carney said Monday.
'Certainly, there’s a significant number who now have qualified for Medicaid in those states that expanded Medicaid who will have insurance who didn’t have it before.'
In addition to his claim of 7.1 million enrollments, Obama also announced that 'three million young people' under age 26 have gained coverage as add-ons to their parents' policies. and 'millions more ... gained access through Medicaid expansion,' he said.
Those totals – young adults attached to their parents' insurance and new taxpayer-funded Medicaid subscribers – far exceed the 7.1 million number the White House trumpeted on Tuesday.Laissez les bon temps rouler!Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT!
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The Affordable Care Act carried with it the promise of covering 'every American,' and it appears to have fallen tremendously short.
The unpublished RAND study – only the Los Angeles Times has seen it – found that just 23 per cent of new enrollees had no insurance before signing up.
And of those newly insured Americans, just 53 per cent have paid their first month's premiums.
If those numbers hold, the actual net gain of paid policies among Americans who lacked medical insurance in the pre-Obamacare days would be just 858,298.
Obama's Rose Garden speech included an acknowledgement that the Affordable Care Act 'has had its share of problems,' and has at times been 'contentious and confusing ... That's part of what change looks like in a Democracy.'
But 'there are still no death panels,' he joked amid laughter. 'Armageddon has not arrived.'
A standing ovation greeted him after his speech. A White House aide said the crowd consisted of '"organizations and stakeholder groups who helped lead the enrollment and outreach efforts, as well as Hill lawmakers and staff from HHS, CMS and other agencies involved in implementing the ACA.'
Not among them: Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathlen Sebelius, the administration official most responsible for the Obamacare program's implementation. She also did not appear in the White House press briefing room earlier in the afternoon.
But Carney and White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough distributed donuts to reporters in the press center on Tuesday morning – presumably without checking with the first lady – and eagerly pitched talking points to journalists writing about the milestone day.
Questions remain about the effectiveness and affordability of Obama's plan, which he sold to congressional Democrats and the American people as a scheme to cover the uninsured, and about how the law is contributing to the spiraling cost of medical care.
As information about the chasm between Obamacare's promises and its reality have reached the public, the program has become more and more unpopular – a fact that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius met with awkward silence during a Monday television interview in Oklahoma.
'At last check, 64 percent of Oklahomans aren't buying into the healthcare plan; they don't like Obamacare, and they've been pretty vocal about it,' a KWTV-9 reporter told her.
'Now that's going to be – still continue to be a tough sell, but we'll see how that plays out over the coming months.'
Sebelius, a deer trapped in TV's headlights, offered only a blank stare. Asked if she had lost the audio feed, the icy secretary responded, 'I can hear you. But I – thanks for having me.'
Hours earlier, she tooted Obama's horn during a fawning Huffington Post interview, claiming that healthcare.gov saw a surge in traffic when the president appeared on the gonzo show 'Between Two Ferns' on the Funny or Die website.
Obamacare 'definitely saw the Galifianakis bump,' she said, referring to the show's host Zach Galifianakis.
'As a mother of two 30-something sons, I know they're more likely to get their information on "Funny or Die" than they are on network TV,' she added.
Americans who missed the online broadcast still knew enough to queue up Monday for panic-induced sign-ups. Crushed with traffic, healthcare.gov crashed twice.
On its way to 7 million, the Obama administration has never answered some key questions about the open enrollment period.
The White House has instead kept to its talking points.
'What I can tell you is that we expect there to be a good mix of people who were previously uninsured who now have insurance,' Carney said Monday. 'Certainly, there’s a significant number who now have qualified for Medicaid in those states that expanded Medicaid who will have insurance who didn’t have it before.'
The midnight deadline for enrollment has become a temporary formality, as the Obama administration has offered extensions to anyone willing to claim they tried in earnest to sign up in time. Sebelius promised Congress weeks ago that there would be no extension. The White House has compared it to voters who are permitted to cast ballots if they are in line when the polls close. But conservative opponents note that ballot officials won't accept voters' claims the day after an election.
California has also extended its deadline through April 15.
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The debate over repealing the fugitive slave act is over...er no. The debate over repealing prohibition is over...er no. This isn't over. It is killing people who had insurance before it passed, and it was too poorly written to be fixable.
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Let's see.....a confirmed 6 million lost their insurance on January 1st because of Obamacare and a non-confirmed 7.1 million sign up as predicted by Sebelius last October. What's wrong with this picture?
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Still, he claimed that 'millions of people who have health insurance would not have it' without his insurance law.' Millions of people wouldn't have had their policies cancelled, could have kept their doctors (I lost one of my specialists), could have kept their premiums (mine went up 300%), on and on and on if it weren't for his insurance law. Oh, and those 7 million people who now have insurance? ~88% of those were people who lost their insurance and had to buy on the exchange marketplace or other means. He's disrupted the entire medical care in this country for less than 900k people. That's far less than 1% of the entire population. Congratulations sir. And thanks a lot for nothing.
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Still, he claimed that 'millions of people who have health insurance would not have it' without his insurance law.' Millions of people wouldn't have had their policies cancelled, could have kept their doctors (I lost one of my specialists), could have kept their premiums (mine went up 300%), on and on and on if it weren't for his insurance law. Oh, and those 7 million people who now have insurance? ~88% of those were people who lost their insurance and had to buy on the exchange marketplace or other means. He's disrupted the entire medical care in this country for less than 900k people. That's far less than 1% of the entire population. Congratulations sir. And thanks a lot for nothing.
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Mr. Obama, maybe folks are mad because you’re a liar
Posted on April 2, 2014 by The Matt Walsh Blog
Dear Mr. Obama,
Congratulations on getting 7.1 million people enrolled in Obamacare before the March 31st deadline!
Not to muddy the festivities by harping on technicalities, but I thought I’d pass along just a few corrections, in case you plan on giving anymore speeches or anything:
Alright, by ‘March 31st’ you mean ‘sometime in April,’ and by ‘deadline’ you mean ‘suggestion which is subject to change.’
And, obviously, by ‘enrolled’ you mean ‘people who have filled some information out on a website.’
And by ’7.1 million’ you mean ‘probably like 858 thousand or something.’
In your speech on Tuesday, when you said that Obamacare is ‘the law’ and ‘it’s here to stay,’ you really meant that Obamacare is ‘a fluid and constantly adjusted set of unconstitutional decrees, which can be imposed or withdrawn by the Executive Branch at any point, for any reason, up to 21 times and counting.’ And by ‘here to stay,’ you actually meant to say that ‘most of it is neither here nor staying, because you don’t want America to feel the full brunt of it until after the midterm elections.’
You claimed that ‘more than 3 million young adults have gained insurance’ by staying on their parents’ plan. Even if that were true, it seems to take for granted that there’s anything remotely positive about the government forcing insurance companies to treat 25-year-old men and women like children. But, more importantly, it isn’t.
Indeed, when you said ‘more than 3 million,’ you really meant ‘extrapolations based on faulty estimates conjured up by Health and Human Services almost two years ago have brought us to the dubious conclusion that we can claim 3 million, because nobody will understand how we arrived at that figure, and most everyone will be too lazy to even attempt to check our numbers.’
You appeared to venture into the vicinity of truth when you stated that Obamacare is ‘doing what it’s supposed to do,‘ but then you forgot to stipulate what, precisely, that happens to be.
It has not, nor was it meant to, make insurance cheaper and more accessible – but it has stripped away choice and freedom, and made more people dependent on the government.
It has forced single men and elderly couples and nuns to pay for maternity care and birth control. Likewise, it has compelled everyone to purchase coverage for psychiatric illness and drug addiction treatment, even if we aren’t necessarily psychiatrically ill or addicted to drugs (though, with your help, the pharmaceutical industry will soon get us all under one or both of those umbrellas).
And, while you spiked the football in the Rose Garden, you still failed to indicate how many people have purchased and paid for a plan, as opposed to just checking some boxes. And you forgot to tell us how many of the Obamacare ’enrollees’ were only inclined to enroll in Obamacare because your law forced them off of their original plans.
You celebrated a ‘law’ that will supposedly ’insure the uninsurable,’ even though most of the people now insured by Obamacare aren’t actually yet insured, but they were insured before Obamacare made them uninsured under their original insurance.
Of course, this is all after you famously told us we can ‘keep our plans’ if we ‘like them,’ while omitting that by ‘keep’ you meant ‘watch as it is demolished in front of our eyes,’ and when you said ‘like’ you didn’t include the disclaimer that we’d all be legally obligated to adjust our affections in the direction of the type of plan you think we should like.
Whew. My head is spinning.
You’re a slippery one, Mr. Obama.
I feel like I’m beginning to learn your language, although I haven’t deciphered the entire code. I do know that, essentially, when you say a certain thing, what you really mean is anything but the thing you just said.
Honestly, I’m starting to think that you’re doing this on purpose.
I’m starting to think that you’re… lying.
You’re a liar.
Yes, that explains it. You’re either enormously inaccurate and oblivious in ways that just so happen to suit your political goals, or you’re a scheming, conniving liar.
I’m going with the latter. You lie. That’s all you do. You’re a liar.
I know, in this day and age of ‘civil discourse,’ we aren’t allowed use words like ‘liar’ anymore. It’s such a harsh and startling term. It upsets people. It makes them sad. It makes them feel all icky inside. But, Lord forgive me, I’d rather call a spade a spade and a liar a liar — as opposed to your strategy, which is to call a spade a tortoise, or an apple, or a three toed sloth, or anything but a spade.
I would label you pathological — as deception seems to drip like putrid sewage from every single word and phrase that escapes your lips — but I know your lies are calculated, not compulsive. You can’t be a pathological liar for the same reason that an effective diamond thief can’t be a kleptomaniac. Your lie, like his heist, requires careful planning and plotting. You’re very aware of the truth, which is what makes you so adept at avoiding it.
Still, I’d like to, for your sake, take you seriously on one count.
In your speech, you said this:
“I’ve got to admit, I don’t get it. Why are folks working so hard for people not to have health insurance? Why are they so mad about the idea of folks having health insurance?”
Why are folks mad at you? Well, as you’ve pointed out in the past, it’s probably because you’re black.
Yeah, that’s gotta be part of it. I’m sure cancer patients would be excited about having their plans abolished and their out-of-pocket expenses skyrocket, if only it had come at the hands of a white dude.
But, beneath the racism, maybe there’s something deeper going on.
Maybe, Mr. Obama, we’re all just tired of the lies.
Maybe we’re mad because you used the IRS against your political opponents, and lied about it. And you spied on everyone’s phone records (after specifically condemning that sort of practice), and lied about it. And you sent your Justice Department after journalists and whistleblowers, and lied about it. And you funneled weapons to drug cartels and terrorists, and lied about it. And you assassinated American citizens and drone bombed hundreds of innocent civilians, and lied about it. And you filled your administration with lobbyists, and lied about it. And you armed a terrorist insurrection in Libya, then orchestrated a cover-up once the terrorists murdered our ambassador, and lied about it. And, in general — whether it’s wiretapping, or Guantanamo, or deficit spending, or Obamacare, or whatever else – we’ve seen you do everything you said you wouldn’t, and little of what you said you would.
We’ve heard you lie. Over. And over. And over. And over again.
Maybe that’s why folks are so mad.
Maybe you’re a liar, and we know it.
And so do you.
I hope this helps clear up your confusion.
Sincerely,
Matt Walsh
http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/04/...-youre-a-liar/Laissez les bon temps rouler!Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT!
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Hey Valerie Jarrett, if having Obamacare makes people human, what were they before?
Posted at 7:45 am on April 3, 2014
Valerie Jarrett ✔ @vj44
“After using my new insurance for the 1st time…
I felt like a human being again.
I felt that I had value.”
—Marla Morine
#7MillionAndCounting
4:20 PM - 1 Apr 2014
Razor @hale_razor
Valerie Jarrett ✔ @vj44
“After using my new insurance for the 1st time…
I felt like a human being again.
I felt that I had value.”
—Marla Morine
#7MillionAndCounting
-George Orwell
4:31 PM - 1 Apr 2014Kimberly Bailey @ksandjc02
that is what you needed to feel value...what is this administration doing to folks...really sad
4:25 PM - 1 Apr 2014Lawful Plunder @LawfulPlunder
WTH? Who says
"My life has value because I used my new insurance"?
#WhoAreThesePeople
4:35 PM - 1 Apr 2014
http://twitchy.com/2014/04/03/hey-va...e-they-before/Laissez les bon temps rouler!Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT!
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"Hey Valerie Jarrett, if having Obamacare makes people human, what were they before?"
to be human means who are born and you die....and if you can't get treatment from doctors, hospitals, and fill subscriptions with obamacare, you could probably die sooner