Thread: Who you gonna believe - Obama or Webster ??

Originally Posted by SurferGirl

Bahet I really do wish you the very best.

Nightrider I notice that every time we have had a hospital bill that the write off for insurance is very large. Usually it is due to some contract between the medical facility and the insurance company.

Yeah it is a contract. But really, I think the bill was horrible. Over $85,000 is what it started out at. And that was for a stay that started at 6A and ended at 11A the same day. It's no wonder that uninsured people end up having to declare bankruptcy over a hospital bill.

Originally Posted by Bahet

If you (anyone) could spare any prayers +++ vibes or happy thoughts we'd really appreciate it.

My prayers are with you and your family that all will work out well

If you (anyone) could spare any prayers +++ vibes or happy thoughts we'd really appreciate it.

Of course you are all in our prayers... s:

Originally Posted by janelle

What you don't understand is bills are based on the stupid Medicare plan. Government interference for you. Doctors charge more to get what they would really charge if Medicare didn't muck up the works. You have to charge more, than Medicare rakes it over and deducts some and pays some. See how the game is played.

How do I know? My hubby was the administrator for 4 doctors and they all have to do it that way. So if government would butt out the charges may go to a realistic level.

I would like it to be---you got this treatment---then you pay this much. Level across all boards like a receipt from a store. That way we could really compare one health place against another.

Right now I had a mole removed. Did I go back to my dermatologist? NO, I had my internist do it this time and she will charge less than a specialist. We all have choices in our medical care---will that remain the same with this health care bill? That is to be seen and I doubt it very much when our government can mess up so much.

Not true! My doc didn't even accept Medicare when we sat down and figured prices. I helped my doctor set up what he would be charging for office visits, procedure etc. So that might have been the way your DH docs did it but not all do it that way.

Ghostbusters! Yeah, that's what I think of everytime I see the title of this thread.

Yes, Virginia, It Really Is a Tax
Sept 25, 2009

Yesterday, Sen. John Ensign (R-NV, 92%) interrogated one Thomas Barthold, chief of staff for the Joint Committee on Taxation; Ensign wanted to know whether the Internal Revenue Service was responsible for enforcing the ObamaCare provision requiring individuals to pay a "penalty" of $1,900 if they fail to purchase an "approved" health-care plan.

Why is this important? Because if it falls to the IRS to enforce that rule, then both the requirement to purchase and the penalty if you don't are indeed "taxes." Failure to pay the $1,900 penalty gets you a fine of up to $25,000.

(I'm not sure which ObamaCare plan this refers to; the House plan is the only one where a completed bill was actually voted on -- it passed in the House, of course.)

Barthold confirmed that indeed, the IRS will enforce payment of the nineteen hundred smackeroos -- and if you fail to pay it, the IRS will prosecute... and you could even be sent to jail for failing to pay, just as if you failed to pay any other tax. From the first Political post linked above: http://www.politico.com/livepulse/09...e_the_IRS.html

Ensign pursued the line of questioning because he said a lot of Americans don't believe the Constitution allows the government to mandate the purchase of insurance.

"We could be subjecting those very people who conscientiously, because they believe in the U.S. Constitution, we could be subjecting them to fines or the interpretation of a judge, all the way up to imprisonment," Ensign said. "That seems to me to be a problem."

I presume the IRS will also enforce the similar provision mandating businesses, including small businesses (even Mom & Pop stores), to offer "approved" health insurance to their employees; I don't know what the penalties are for failing to do so.

In a follow-up Politico post, Barthold confirmed to Ensign that indeed, the possible penalties included jail time: http://www.politico.com/livepulse/09...irmation_.html

Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."

The Joint Committee on Taxation has both senators and representatives (which is why they call it a "joint" committee); it's chaired by Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY, 100%) and vice-chaired by Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT, 80%); the committee comprises three each Democratic senators and representatives, and two each Republican senators and reps.

So the next time some chowderheaded clown -- or the president -- denies that the individual and employer mandates in ObamaCare are massive middle-class tax increases, shove this post in his face and make him read it!

http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/...t_pass_go.html




Socialized healthcare and the “choice” lie
Posted by: Sister Toldjah on September 25, 2009 at 6:42 pm

Back in July, I wrote about the news that under the Senate’s version of ObamaCare, Americans who – after all is said and done with this bill – fail to sign up for a so-called “affordable” healthcare plan could face fines over $1,000 from the federal government – [fines the feds plan on using to help “pay” for this monstrosity of a bill.

Well, as it turns out, Senator John Ensign confirmed this yesterday that a failure to pay those fines could lead to up to a $25,000 fine and up to a year in jail: http://www.politico.com/livepulse/09...e_the_IRS.html

Americans who fail to pay the penalty for not buying insurance would face legal action from the Internal Revenue Service, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

The remarks Thursday from the committee’s chief of staff, Thomas Barthold, seems to further weaken President Barack Obama’s contention last week that the individual mandate penalty, which could go as high as $1,900, is not a tax increase.

Under questioning from Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.), Barthold said the IRS would “take you to court and undertake normal collection proceedings.”

Ensign pursued the line of questioning because he said a lot of Americans don’t believe the Constitution allows the government to mandate the purchase of insurance. “We could be subjecting those very people who conscientiously, because they believe in the U.S. Constitution, we could be subjecting them to fines or the interpretation of a judge, all the way up to imprisonment,” Ensign said. “That seems to me to be a problem.”

Yeah - a big one....

To confirm the Joint Committee on Taxation issued a handwritten notea> to Ensign clarifying exactly what the failure to pay the fine could lead to:

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance. Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."

Bruce McQuain gets right to the point: http://www.qando.net/?p=4855

What were the twin goals President Obama’s reform given in his speech to a joint session of Congress? Oh, yeah, he wanted there to be “competition” so the consumer had a “choice”. That’s become a Democratic talking point now.

But choice, apparently, doesn’t extend beyond the faux choice of the public option. If you choose not to buy insurance, your choice is then reduced to a fine or jail or perhaps, both.

[...]

The banality of totalitarianism.

Hope and change in the Land of the Free

Yep ...

http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/20...he-choice-lie/

So now we finally know what all those camps are for! To hold all the millions criminals who don’t have (or want) health insurance!

But then the question is: If you get sent to jail for not paying the health coverage extortion, do you get medical benefits in jail? And if so, do they send your family the bill like the Chinese did for the executioners bullet?

You’d think that aleast someone would bring up the fact that federally provided health care would violate the 9th & 10th amendments.

Originally Posted by gmyers

I bet a lot of people will choose the time in jail. Everytody is obligated to have car insurance but they don't get it. They take a chance and hope they don't get caught. Can you imagine the amount of people it'll take to make sure people are insured or not. And how do you know if you choose an approved healthcare plan and not one that is un-approved. I guess they'll let you know which are acceptable or not.

He's got a plan for that too...........

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http://www.bigbigforums.com/news-inf...nts-say-2.html

...it's called indoctrination and turn in your parents....