Thread: Obama outlines health care plan for all

Originally Posted by ilovecats

Not at all.I think people sprouting the "drinking the koolaid"thing to be a little unbalanced.As far as I can recall,you haven't done so.My point was that if you disagree with some people,they assume you are brainwashed.If there is any chance I am brainwashed,there is also the chance that you are,am I wrong?

Hah we posted at the same time, lol.

Perhaps we should agree to various flavors of koolaid ...

but I do prefer coffee

on that I bid you all

Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

Perhaps we should agree to various flavors of koolaid ...

but I do prefer coffee

on that I bid you all

I'm a Dunkin Donuts mocha latte girl. Good night.

They haven't given us the information on co-pays or the amount of the monthly premiums other than there will be a sliding scale on the premiums. I just know how difficult it can be to deal with the government on anything. If you owe them money they want it on time but if they owe you it takes forever. I also know how difficult it is for anyone to apply for disability under the social security system and the fact that it usually takes a lawyer to get your benefits. There is also a 3 year waiting period to get medicare benefits after being disabled. My neighbor waited for years fighting for disability and ended up taking retirement at age 62 instead. I think anyone with any common sense would want to avoid another government takeover of another aspect of our lives.

Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

Perhaps we should agree to various flavors of koolaid ...

but I do prefer coffee

on that I bid you all

coffee girl here too.If you ever find your way up north,I would love to go have coffee with you.I'd bet you would find out we really aren't as different as you might think.

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Wash Post/ABC News Poll Finds Tepid Reaction to Obama Speech
By Philip Klein on 9.14.09 @ 3:40PM

A Washington Post/ABC News poll found that public support for health care legislation rose only slightly in response to President Obama's much-hyped health care speech last week. The poll found that 46 percent supported legislation and 48 opposed, compared with 45 percent support and 50 percent opposition in the last poll, taken mid August. Interestingly, the poll also found that 41 percent said the more they hear about the health care proposal, the more they like it, compared to 54 percent who say that the more they hear about it, the less they like it.

If anything, I think these numbers overstate support for Obama's health care initiative. The reason is that right now people are responding in a broad sense to what they think health care legislation is. For instance, some respondents may support legislation only because they don't think it will include a government plan, while others may be supportive because they think the final bill will include a government-run plan. Ultimately, Congress and the White House will have to start making actual decisions about what parts of legislation to keep and dump, and how to finance it. As that process drags on, I would bet that we'll start to see support drop.

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/09/14...s-poll-finds-t

Comments

Originally Posted by TennesseeVolunteer

9.14.09 @ 4:48PM
Obama and gibbs keep saying that they won't cover illegal aliens in their bill, or they won't cover abortions in their bill. When challenged from HR 3200, they keep on saying 'their bill' won't have it.
Of course, the only problem, their bill is not in writing, so we'll have to trust what they say they will do. And then, they will say 'we have to pass it right away before everybody reads the fine print'!
They mislead and lie in everything they do. What they intend to control from this legislation must be unbelievably powerful for them to try to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.
The good thing.. the American people are on to them..and we aren't going away. It is time for our re-education camps (letters, emails, town halls etc.) for current politicians or they are out in the next elections!

Originally Posted by jr

9.14.09 @ 5:52PM
Obama and Gibbs. That's peat and repeat. Lie and re-lie as an alternative.

Originally Posted by John - TMF

9.14.09 @ 6:03PM
It is important to digest these numbers within the context that they are derived. The truth is that ABC/WaPo polls always give about an 8 to 10 point French kiss to the Democrat in any culturally significant poll. (Sample group, not end numbers, though the consistant 4-8 point love pat that results in the 8-10 cushion in the sample group is evident.)

So the reality is that these numbers are probably lower by 4 to 8 percent. (Even if we split the diff and call it 6, it is a big piece of political cake to swallow.)

So in reality 52% of the people (consistent with Rasmussen's polls) think that the Dems are all wet.

People wanted access to insurance, better insurance choices, tax relief for medical expenses, choice in what to have covered and what not to have covered. They did not want bankrupt and floundering Medicare for everybody... except maybe AARP who stands to rake in huge amounts of money with Medigap insurance plans to cover the tons of things that Medicare won't touch.

Which is part of the entire rub. The people backing this move to Socialized medicine are those who stand to rake in huge personal profits over its adminstration and supplementation.

Now up to 52% of the American public has or is beginning to see that what the Democrats have in store is not reform but take-over. Moreover, what we will get for that is our pocket books drained in huge tax increases, poor care, and a dwindling pool of medical professionals to perform the services.

Of course the Fee for Service Resort Clinics for the Wealthy will be booming in Mexico and the Carribean.

The rich will fly to Bimini for that colonoscopy, and spend a few days on the beach recovering from the whole ordeal. Meanwhile Joe Average will wait six months for a clinic visit to wonder if they cleaned the 20 year old mess that looks more like a drain snake than a medical instrument. (doubt that? Just ask all of those poor VA hospital patients treated in similar fashion to unsterilized instruments....

Originally Posted by Jim O'Brien

9.14.09 @ 9:06PM
Supposedly, Obama and his socialist Congress are working on "the details". Translation: they are calculating what they can get away with, how much they can do to destroy free enterprise in the medical world, without being defeated in the next election. They will eventually vote on something which is a thousand pages long, and there will be a rush to vote before the public has a chance to comprehend it, or object. More socialism will be shoved down our throats. We and our grandchildren will pay the consequences of our representatives' deceit, demagoguery, and gross incompetence.

Last week during an address to the nation, President Obama went on the attack against the nation's health insurance companies, using the example of Otto Raddatz, an Oakbrook, Illinois man whose insurance coverage was cancelled while fighting cancer. During the speech the President told the nation, "One man from Illinois lost his coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because his insurer found that he hadn't reported gallstones that he didn't even know about. They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it." But, the President conveniently failed to disclose a few key facts of the story including how the Mr. Raddatz's coverage was reinstated within 21 days, he received his treatment and lived another 4 years.

As pointed out on Sunday by Lynn Sweet with the Chicago Sun Times, the President referenced Otto Raddatz who was diagnosed with Stage IV, Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma in September of 2004. The following January, Raddatz was scheduled to receive a stem cell transplant, but in April, Fortis learned that the Illinois man had failed to disclose a 2000 CT scan that revealed gall stones and an aneurysm. The conditions, if disclosed, would have prevented the company from issuing individual coverage. As a result, the company cancelled Mr. Raddatz's coverage on April 15th. The family filed a complaint with the Attorney Generals office on April 25th three weeks before Mr. Raddatz's scheduled Stem Cell Transplant. After 2 appeals by the Attorney Generals office, Fortis reinstated coverage at the beginning of May and the AG closed the case on May 6th, 2 weeks prior to the Stem cell transplant. As a result, Mr. Raddatz received a stem cell transplant, without delay and covered by his insurance company. He lived another 3.5 years until passing away in January of 2009.

Unfortunately, President Obama failed to disclose that treatment was not delayed, that the company reinstated coverage despite its legal authority to cancel coverage and that the treatment referenced by the President was received and extended the Mr. Raddatz's life by nearly 4 years.

Although this story is appears inconsequential to the ongoing health care debate, it does represent one more example in an ongoing series of misleading statements perpetrated by the President. In a speech in Minnesota on Saturday, the President so poorly misrepresented a Department of Health study that even the New York Times admonished his statements. Furthermore, following the controversy stirred up by Representative Wilson, on Friday afternoon the White House for the first time stated their support for provisions requiring verification of citizenship with regard to Health Care Reform. Such provisions were previously proposed by Republicans only to be rejected by the House and Senate committees. In addition, the CRS had also found that at the time of the President's speech there was no enforcement mechanism preventing undocumented workers from obtaining coverage under the plan.

The misrepresentation of Mr. Raddatz's experience is indicative of a President that is appearing more like a candidate and less as a responsible leader who is open and honest with the American public. If President Obama fails to provide full disclosure on inconsequential events such as Mr. Raddatz's experiences then how can anyone accept the President's rhetoric on specific Health Care Reform provisions.

The President has been quick to accuse opponents of creating fear and producing myths, yet it appears that the President is engaged in the very tactics that he accuses Republicans of engaging in. At this point, the public should not only be wary, but should be outraged that lawmakers continue to push for health care legislation that is so complex, they need lawyers to interpret it themselves. There is no reason why current legislation cannot be broken down into a series of smaller, more targeted and easy to understand acts. Such a breakdown of legislation would provide the public with a level of disclosure and the opportunity to protect the American people.

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