Thread: Obama outlines health care plan for all

Originally Posted by SHELBYDOG

I'm a pretty out going person, but I would be distressed on stage with screaming, clapping & camera flashes going on in front of me & I'd imagine a normal child would be distressed as well.

Why do you assume that this is like a normal everyday thing that wouldn't affect a normal or handicapped child?

Perhaps it is a 'normal' thing for him? My DH cannot sleep if there's any noise....me, it doesn't matter....my kids, it doesn't matter. There was always 'noise' around, for my children, this was the 'norm'...they 'adjusted'. My DH, on the other hand, his mother always insisted of complete silence for nap time/sleep time...result is, he's a light sleeper. He can't sleep with noise.

So if Trig, from day one, is used to the 'hustle and bustle', it may be a 'non-issue' for him. As I said, he didn't show signs of distress. A baby doesn't care about appearances, if they are distressed, they show it.

Call her a kook for kooky reasons, I just don't think this is a 'kooky' reason.

This is a little OT but a large number kids with Down's have sensory spectrum disorders where the brain over processes things like sound, light, touch...and large, loud crowds aren't good for them to be in. On the other hand, other Down's kids under process and have little or no reaction. In defense of Palin (did I just write that? lol) her son was an infant at the time and most likely at that age, they had no way of knowing what group he fell into.

Originally Posted by ElleGee

Even though I don't agree with passing him around like a holiday ham or using him as a prop she would have gotten a TON of slack if she didn't parade the baby around either.. It was a damned if you do damned if you don't type thing..

Can you imagine the head lines on the gossip rags? "Palin baby nowhere to bee seen even own mother is ashamed" etc etc....

Absolutely, she's can be criticized for either action.

Originally Posted by SHELBYDOG

With not knowing which group he falls into why take that chance, was it really worth exploiting him before you know if it's a good thing or a bad thing for him?
Children/family first, than you career IMO!

Exploiting? That's a very strong word....I guess all the Presidents/Candidates exploited their children then.

And yes, if the child showed any signs of distress it would be evident. He would have showed some type of sign had it been unpleasant for him. My infants responded to likes and dislikes...such as noise levels, bright lights, etc.

Sarah Palin Joined the 'Deather Movement' Because the New Face of the Republican Party is Fear

BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS
by Meg White

This weekend Sarah Palin joined the "deather movement" via a statement on her Facebook page:

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

Deathers propose the wacky idea that the healthcare plan making its way through Congress contains a provision providing for bureaucratic death squads to kill off the less productive members of society. The term, apparently coined by Christopher Beam at Slate, provides a helpful comparison with which to judge who is crazier: someone who believes President Obama was born in Kenya or someone who believes President Obama is out to kill their grandmother.

Palin threw her hat in with the deathers not because she really fears for the safety of her son, but because she's running for president, and it's clear to everyone on the right that the future of the GOP lies in fear. And lies, come to think of it.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich's defense of Palin on ABC's This Week was just as problematic as Lou Dobbs' defense of the birthers. Both these stories have already been debunked. It's just easier to laugh at forged birth certificates than euthanasia.

Incidentally, radio talk show host Ron Reagan suggested we laugh Palin off in an appearance on CNN this morning, saying, "Sarah Palin only needs a red rubber nose and some exploding shoes and she could go work for Barnum and Bailey. The fact that we give this clown any time at all is shocking and silly and a little bit stupid."

Reagan has a point, but in defense of this piece I say Palin deserves to be called out for lying as much as truths need to be told about the healthcare bill. After all the saddest part about this false argument is that it is insurance companies, not Medicare or Medicaid, that ration care and drop patients who are deemed too expensive to insure.

Sure, it seems silly to give these fringe theories any airtime, but it's important to recognize the similarities at work here. Both birthers and deathers come out of the larger Republican strategy of fear mongering. As birthers play on the fear of xenophobia, deathers play on our greatest fear, and I'm not talking about public speaking.

Here's a neat compilation of deather claims from Think Progress:

VIDEO HERE TO WATCH

First, let me just lay this one out there with a quick refutation guide for those who are beset by the deathers.

The measure in question is in the congressional record as HR 1898, which functions to "extend Medicare coverage to consultations regarding an order for life sustaining treatment for qualified individuals." The suspicion is that such legislation will be included in the final healthcare reform bill.
It is not mandatory that those with "public" coverage such as Medicare use this service. It is merely available to cover as a medical service conversations doctors have with their patients about their end-of-life options.
There is no "panel" designed to make such decisions, other than one's team of end-of-life caregivers and family, groups already having such discussions with those who are terminally ill.
As much as "advanced directives" (as end-of-life plans are often known) are used by patients who don't want to be kept alive when they are brain-dead, patients can also use such mechanisms to ensure that every possible attempt is made to keep them alive.
One could make the argument that the conversation Palin talks about having with her husband and doctor when she found out Trig was going to be born with Down Syndrome is a conversation along the same lines as the one addressed in HR 1898.

As Obama himself explained at a recent town hall meeting, "The intent here is to simply make sure that you've got more information, and that Medicare will pay for it," a statement independently verified by FactCheck.org.

As validation of her comparison of the Obama Administration to Nazi Germany, Palin cited a floor speech from our crazy pal Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) where she worried about what would have happened to the last precious months of the life of her father-in-law, who recently passed away due to dementia, in the hands of the coming Obamacare death squads.

But Bachmann's father-in-law may not have been as comfortable as she insists, if his experience was similar to others with terminal dementia, according to a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, which found a problem with "the administration of pain medication to dementia patients":

The study found that less pain relief is often prescribed for dementia patients than may be needed because the patient is unable to communicate the presence of pain. Treatment models developed for dementia patients suggest hospice and comfort care, rather than life-prolonging treatments, might be more appropriate in the end-stages of the disease. This would mean that in the event of a hip fracture, pneumonia, localized infection or other treatable condition, treatments might be withheld in favor of medications and methods that bring comfort and ease.

In fact, study after study confirms that access to end-of-life care is crucial for patients. A study published late last year examines the problems that arise out of the fact that around 65 percent of dialysis patients do not have advance care plans in place and the stress that it puts on hospice nurses. The study recommended a team approach with doctors and relatives helping patients make such difficult decisions.

"Nurses cannot initiate advance care planning with patients in a vacuum," the study's authors wrote. "Support for these discussions requires commitment, planning, and leadership by all caregivers."

Another study published in 2008 concludes that "as physicians and policy makers, we need to do everything we can to facilitate discussions about end-of-life care between patients, family and friends, and physicians." Heck, even the Catholic Church supports end-of-life planning.

Much like those who tacitly approve of the crazy things birthers are saying -- not because they believe them but because they're good for business -- Palin did a little two-step around the deather issue this morning. She warned against town hall tactics that "diminish our nation's civil discourse which we need now more than ever because the fine print in this outrageous health care proposal must be understood clearly and not get lost in conscientious voters' passion to want to make elected officials hear what we are saying." No word on whether the "tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment" she spoke of include lying about the contents of the bill.

But really, birthers, deathers and angry mobs are all part of the same strategy of the Republican Party: Scare the living daylights out of America. Make no mistake; the top two GOP candidates in 2012 will be "lies" and "fear."

BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS


http://blog.buzzflash.com/analysis/878

This about raps it up IMO, that's why I'm not buying what their selling.

But really, birthers, deathers and angry mobs are all part of the same strategy of the Republican Party: Scare the living daylights out of America. Make no mistake; the top two GOP candidates in 2012 will be "lies" and "fear."

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the U.S. Department of Energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by a municipal water utility.
We took baths as children in tub of rain water caught in barrels at the corner of the house. Never hurt us, just a pain in the arse to carry the water.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC-regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like, using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
We looked at the sky and off to the horizon and knew it was going to rain or a storm was coming.

I watched this while eating my breakfast of U.S. Department of Agriculture-inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
Ever had fresh eggs, milk or food straight from the garden? How about a ham straight out the smoke house?

At the appropriate time, as regulated by the U.S. Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the U.S. Naval Observatory, Our wind up clocks did the job just fine. I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration-approved automobile The cars of yesterday were actually safer because they were built hardier than the cars of today...want to test that theory? and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, Ever driven the streets of Memphis? possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, Taxed out the arse for every little thing jacking the price up so we can't afford to buy it using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank.That legal tender isn't worth that much anymore because the Federal Reserve insists on printing more and more and more and more.

On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the U.S. Postal Service Did you hear they are on the verge of bankruptcy? And besides, even though called the US Postal Service, it is NOT run by the government and drop the kids off at the public school. And every year we hear of how these schools can't afford to properly educate the children. Teachers being laid off, schools closing, bus routes closed, children failing in droves....need I go on about the woes of the schools?

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and Fire Marshal's inspection It's amazing, our houses weren't inspected back in the day and there weren't that many fires. Hmmm, I do wonder how we survived without another regulation jacking up the cost of necessities., and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department. You don't live in Detroit or Memphis, the 2 most dangerous cities in the country. Memphis is once again cutting its police force to balance the budget.


And then I log on to the internet -- which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration -- and post on Freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.
Something you won't be able to do before long without every word you typed being monitored by the government...oh wait!! that is already happening!!!