Thread: Obama outlines health care plan for all

What about the people who already feel bad about thier weight and are trying to lose some but have problems with that. Do the people who proposed this have any idea how that would make these people feel?

I have been reading about this healtcare bill and find it very scarry, the government want to take over and tell us if we can live or die, be totally intrusive and the government is excluding themselves from having to be on this plan!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HealthCare according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finan/personal records
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life-- government telling you when you should die.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides an approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may incl an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life and whether you can receive things like antibiotic and artificially administered nutrition and hydration.
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy.

Less government people, less government.....

Originally Posted by oreo390

I have been reading about this healtcare bill and find it very scarry, the government want to take over and tell us if we can live or die, be totally intrusive and the government is excluding themselves from having to be on this plan!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HealthCare according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finan/personal records
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life-- government telling you when you should die.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides an approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may incl an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life and whether you can receive things like antibiotic and artificially administered nutrition and hydration.
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy.

very scary indeed!

Originally Posted by SHELBYDOG

House lawmakers endorse measure opposing abortion

While this is good, they still have not fixed all the other bad things included in this bill that will virtually turn us into a communist country by giving the government total power over almost every aspect of our life and death.

I do not believe that our tax dollars should go to pay for abortions.

Friday, July 31, 2009
Rep. Taylor (D): Anti-Taxers Are "Scum"
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carniv...-are-scum.html


Is there something in the water in DC today, or is it the heat?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25670.html


Taylor has a point in claiming he isn't one of the Blue Dogs who is selling out. But, now ATR, instead of backing down, is ratcheting it up based upon other previous votes they argue represent tax increases just the same. Whatever the case, I suspect we may have just identified one of the Blue Dog Democrats the GOP is going to be looking to take out in 2010. The atmosphere around trying to get health care reform passed must be white hot.

Rep. Gene Taylor (D-Miss.) has called Grover Norquist’s anti-tax group Americans for Tax Reform “lying sacks of scum” for lumping him in with other moderate Democrats who support the House health reform bill.

“Americans for Tax Reform are lying sacks of scum, and anyone who knowingly repeats this false information is also a liar,” Taylor said in an unusually blistering statement for a member of Congress.

ATR responds with a scalding press release of their own. Jeepers, people, get it together. http://www.atr.org/#

Congressman Taylor has historically had a difficult time telling the truth and keeping his promises.

On March 1st, 1996, Gene Taylor signed the Taxpayer Protection Pledge, promising his constituents he would oppose all income tax increases while serving in Congress . Apparently, he did this just to get elected, as his written word has turned out to be worthless. When Republicans controlled the Congress from 1996 to 2006, he never had the opportunity to vote for a tax increase. The first Congress he had the chance to vote for a tax increase, he did.

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Did ‘Cash for Clunkers’ just put Obamacare on the junk heap?
Update: House adds $2 billion more to re-start the program
July 31, 2009

“Cash for Clunkers” — a program that our genius financial managers in Washington had skillfully budgeted to run, appropriately enough, until around Halloween — has been suspended after just a few days. There were many “unforeseen” problems, meaning that nobody who created the program knew anything about what they were doing or the possible pitfalls. The architects of Cash for Clunkers couldn’t organize a two hybrid car funeral.

The Obama administration is attempting to use the fact that the program was popular with consumers as evidence that it was a “success,” but that only serves as evidence of government incompetence. Unfortunately for Obama & Company, many people are aware that sometimes “too successful” is far more expensive than “didn’t work at all.” If Apollo 11 had been “too successful” by the Obama administration’s definition, the crew would have overshot the moon, and they’d be dead and halfway to Alpha Centauri by now. “That’s one small loss of men, one giant leap for bureaucracy.”

The fact is that Cash for Clunkers could not have lasted for very long in its present form even if the government didn’t run out of budgeted taxpayer money, for reasons I outlined in part here. http://dougpowers.com/2009/07/31/cas...ers-suspended/

In the private sector — which the government hopes to compete with using money confiscated from the private sector (some “competition”) — when you create a sale or promotion of some sort, you must make sure you’re covered in case it is very successful. Poor planning leads to unhappy customers, which equals going out of business. Fortunately for the government, they have no such consequence as “going out of business.” In government, incompetence is rewarded.

In private sector business, there are just as many execs who have been fired because they didn’t plan for what to do if a sale went “too well” as there are who created sales programs that didn’t work at all.

But people are catching on, and you’re seeing that reflected in the poll numbers for government-run health care and even in Obama’s plummeting approval ratings. http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/oba...30/241919.html

This sums up the concern of any American with an I.Q. above Tim Geithner’s shoe size: http://wcbstv.com/consumer/cash.clun...2.1108544.html

“If they can’t administer a program like this, I’d be a little concerned about my health insurance,” car salesman Rob Bojaryn said.

Unfortunately for Obama, Pelosi, Frank, et al, this is going to be an oft-repeated observation. We may be intimidated by the size and scope of health care and think that somebody else may know better than we do, but when we see those same people screw up a freakin’ car sale, the mask comes off and we don’t want them messing with our health too.

We don’t need to go back far in time to find a similar government screw-up.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/...ce_presen.html

Remember the well thought out “converter box” coupon program? The one that quickly exceeded the $1.34 billion funding limit set by Congress, causing a delay in the transition and costing an additional few billion dollars to taxpayers and private industry? “Cash for Clunkers” is brought to us by most of the same people — the same ones who will bring us our “free” health care.

The White House and Congress are going to go all out to resuscitate Cash for Clunkers. They have to — because the total failure of this “wild success” may well kill their dreams of National Health Care, and they know it. http://content.usatoday.com/communit.../07/68495840/1

In Cash for Clunkers, old cars are turned in and put in a junk heap — even if the cars still run and could be of use to somebody else. Americans in their twilight years should most certainly be wary of the architects of Cash for Clunkers being in control of their health care.

But hey, if this billion-dollar hunk of mis-management knocks Obamacare in the dirt, then it’s money well-spent. Who says Obama and Congress can’t spend wisely once in a while?



Update: The fate of Cash for Clunkers should have been apparent back when the federal computer system supporting the program’s website crashed 15 minutes after the program launched. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aOl2wZnAd6SI

Update II: In an “emergency measure,” the House has just added $2 billion more to Cash for Clunkers to re-start the program. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aOl2wZnAd6SI

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http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/31...the-junk-heap/

But hey, if this billion-dollar hunk of mis-management knocks Obamacare in the dirt, then it’s money well-spent. Who says Obama and Congress can’t spend wisely once in a while?

inexperience? not learning from 'mistakes"?