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Originally Posted by
renaissanceman
Dont get me started on Head Start and Kindergarten!
My son had NEVER been in Day Care, had never attended head Start etc.
We had him reading before he started K. He was the ONLY kid in the class who could read at all unassisted in the start, and once they realized he was fine, he was ignored.
While the kids who had the "benefit' of head Start (at tax payer expense) often could not read at the END of k.
Guess what? They passed them all to 1st grade!!!
What a joke!
The government makes a mess of everything!
Being able to read (or not) is not the only requirement of "passing" Kindergarten. It's great that your son could read before K, but preschool itself isn't always about teaching children to read. Moreso it's about socialization and following directions as well, perhaps, as learning their letters.
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12-27-2007 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
renaissanceman
The "benefits" of pre-K etc are largely mythical, there have been plenty of studys done that say that programs like headstart are a huge WASTE of money. I guess it just depends who is conducting/funding the study?
Well, it also depends on the teachers. I'm not sure what Head Start requires of their teachers as far as education and experience, but I sure do know of some Head Start programs I'd never send my child to for fear that they'd never learn a thing. That's the thing about preschool. It's not regulated and there's no universal curriculum or set of standards by which all should base themselves. While I teach in a nationally accredited program with an excellent curriculum, the pre-k down the street is not nationally accredited (yes, this IS important) and is only state licensed and they don't have educational requirements for their teachers like my workplace does. Where do you think your child is going to get a better education? It's hit and miss right now. If your kid goes to one of those programs that's just not "good," then yes, it's a waste of money. But if they attend a quality program, then many will reap the benefits.
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Originally Posted by
JKATHERINE
Being able to read (or not) is not the only requirement of "passing" Kindergarten. It's great that your son could read before K, but preschool itself isn't always about teaching children to read. Moreso it's about socialization and following directions as well, perhaps, as learning their letters.
I understand what you are saying, but come on. Out of a class of 22 my son was the only one that had good marks in all categories ALL year. AND he was the ONLY kid who had NEVER gotten in trouble all year.
There were at LEAST 7 kids that were constant trouble makers AND who were at the bottom of the class academically.
Why did they get to advance? They were not well adjusted socially or in any other way.
Kids should know how to read before they are sent to 1st grade. Kids should learn phonics in Pre-K to prepare them.
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Originally Posted by
renaissanceman
I understand what you are saying, but come on. Out of a class of 22 my son was the only one that had good marks in all categories ALL year. AND he was the ONLY kid who had NEVER gotten in trouble all year.
There were at LEAST 7 kids that were constant trouble makers AND who were at the bottom of the class academically.
Why did they get to advance? They were not well adjusted socially or in any other way.
Kids should know how to read before they are sent to 1st grade. Kids should learn phonics in Pre-K to prepare them.
I know what you're saying and congrats on having a smart kid but do you really think ONE child out of 22 should be the guideline?
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Originally Posted by
janelle
You might think about it Adam---
What is universal pre-K? Will you need to put your kids into a government care center when you would rather not? That sounds more like communism to me where the state takes over the family completely.
We have universal pre-k in Florida. It is not a bad program and does not drive your taxes sky high. Ours are done through day care centers that have to meet minimum requirements to get the state funding. You can choose where your child attends so the state does not assign you to a particular school.
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Originally Posted by
freeby4me
I know what you're saying and congrats on having a smart kid but do you really think ONE child out of 22 should be the guideline?
Absolutely! How else should we do it?
If we dumb down the curriculum so that ALL may pass we arent doing them any favors. That sort of thinking is why we are now falling behind nearly EVERY other industrialized nation in education.
My family are intelligent, but none of us are geniuses.
If my son had a genius level IQ, obviously it would be wrong to expect the other kids to work to his standard. But since he is not, I see nothing wrong with expecting others to work up to the standard that comes so easily to him.
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Originally Posted by
renaissanceman
Absolutely! How else should we do it?
If we dumb down the curriculum so that ALL may pass we arent doing them any favors. That sort of thinking is why we are now falling behind nearly EVERY other industrialized nation in education.
My family are intelligent, but none of us are geniuses.
If my son had a genius level IQ, obviously it would be wrong to expect the other kids to work to his standard. But since he is not, I see nothing wrong with expecting others to work up to the standard that comes so easily to him.
Thats what im talking about though. The number of students who can read in kindergarden, like actually read books is SLIM. Only a couple of years ago, they had kindergardners in for half days only. They're only now realizing the potential the young kids have.
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freeby4me
I know what you're saying and congrats on having a smart kid but do you really think ONE child out of 22 should be the guideline?
This is why schools are eliminating letter grades ... because some children might "feel bad" because they didn't measure up to an abritary standard. They got rid of "Honor Rolls" and have moved to eliminate the roles of any thing that might damage little Johnny's or little Jane's self esteem.... instead of getting them to study harder to achieve.
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Originally Posted by
Jolie Rouge
This is why schools are eliminating letter grades ... because some children might "feel bad" because they didn't measure up to an abritary standard. They got rid of "Honor Rolls" and have moved to eliminate the roles of any thing that might damage little Johnny's or little Jane's self esteem.... instead of getting them to study harder to achieve.
yea thats just stupid. I see no other explanation, just stupid.
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Originally Posted by
freeby4me
Thats what im talking about though. The number of students who can read in kindergarden, like actually read books is SLIM. Only a couple of years ago, they had kindergardners in for half days only. They're only now realizing the potential the young kids have.
My son wasnt BORN knowing how to read. My wife and I TAUGHT him phonics. If parents made their kids watch reading instructional videos for just 30 minutes a day, and actually read with them...
They would ALL be able to read before K.
If parents actually took responsibility for their kids eductaion we wouldnt need Pre K or K.
Most people realize that kids absorb things easily, and this has been known for quite some time.
To hear some people talk today, its a wonder American's ever learned to read before the Federal Government set up standards for education.
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Originally Posted by
renaissanceman
My son wasnt BORN knowing how to read. My wife and I TAUGHT him phonics. If parents made their kids watch reading instructional videos for just 30 minutes a day, and actually read with them...
They would ALL be able to read before K.
If parents actually took responsibility for their kids eductaion we wouldnt need Pre K or K.
Most people realize that kids absorb things easily, and this has been known for quite some time.
To hear some people talk today, its a wonder American's ever learned to read before the Federal Government set up standards for education.
This is all well and good but it's unfair to penalize kids of parents who don't care. Face it some parents are not as proactive as other parents. If you're anti-pre-k then that 's fine. It can be really benficial for so many children.
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