Thread: Yet another honor killing

TORONTO — A Canadian man has been charged with murdering his own daughter, and her friends say the two clashed over her refusal to wear a Muslim head scarf. Police have not commented on a motive.

Aqsa Parvez, 16, of Mississauga, Ontario, was rushed to hospital in critical condition Monday after a man made an emergency call in which he claimed to have killed his daughter, police said. She died late Monday night.

The emergency call "came in from the father saying he had killed his daughter," police spokesman Wayne Patterson said. "Police arrived and rushed her to hospital and she passed away."

Patterson said they are working at determining the motive and refused to confirm it was over the head scarf.

The girl's friends said in interviews Tuesday that Aqsa loved shopping for clothes and clashed with her family over her reluctance to wear the hijab, a traditional veil or head scarf for devout Muslim women.

"She didn't want to go home ... to the point where she actually wanted to go to shelters," classmate Ashley Garbutt, 16, told the Toronto Star.

Muslim leaders cautioned against jumping to conclusions.

"I don't want the public to think that this is really an Islamic issue or an immigrant issue," said Mohamed Elmasry of the Canadian Islamic Congress. "It is a teenager issue."

The girl's father, Muhammad Parvez, 57, made a brief court appearance Tuesday morning and was remanded in custody pending another court appearance Wednesday. Aqsa Parvez's brother, Waqas Parvez, 26, is facing a charge of obstructing police and remains in custody pending a Dec. 14 hearing.

Neither man has entered a plea yet.

Calls to the Parvez family home went unanswered Tuesday night

Patterson said he did not know if the man had a lawyer yet.

Ahhh.. the Irony., killing someone over something religious.

poor girl., sad story

http://www.bigbigforums.com/news-inf...sa-parvez.html

Hey mydeathspace

http://www.mydeathspace.com/article/...ditional_hijab

how sad, I honestly could not imagine my father EVER hurting me over our difference of opinions. This is very very tragic.

leave it up to dv8gr to find her mydeathspace profile

This reminds me of the horrific murder of Tina Isa by her Muslim jihadi father (aided by her Brazilian mother) in St. Louis in 1989. Zein Isa had been plotting to bomb the Israeli embassy at the time he murdered his daughter for taking a job and dating a black student. Journalist Ellen Harris wrote a book about Tina, which Daniel Pipes reviewed: htpp://www.danielpipes.org/article/672

In November 1989 in St. Louis, the FBI inadvertently tape recorded the entire episode of a teenage girl’s being killed by her Palestinian father and Brazilian mother (the Feds were looking for evidence of terrorism, which they also found). In a ghastly eight-minute sequence, Zein Isa stabbed his daughter Palestina thirteen times with a butcher’s knife as his wife held the girl down and responded to Palestina’s pleas for help with a brutal “Shut up!”

The killing ends with Zein screaming “Die! Die quickly! Die quickly! . . . Quiet, little one! Die, my daughter, die!” By this time, she is dead.

Harris, a St. Louis television reporter, has done admirable spade work going through the court transcripts and interviewing everyone connected to the case in an attempt to piece together the interlocking stories of family murder and active support of Abu Nidal’s terrorist organization. In addition, she successfully conjures up the small and exceedingly unpleasant world of Zein Isa and his family of rabid anti-Americans living right in the American heartland. The murder culminates their lives of frustration, greed, and vulgarity. Unfortunately, Harris spent more effort digging up information than she did writing the book; so the more-than-casual reader must read and reread its pages to piece together the sequence of events and the scope of the Isa family’s involvement with Abu Nidal. Doing so repays the effort, however, for Harris has compiled a treasure trove of materials on two usually elusive subjects.

A 1991 New York Times article gives you details of the tapes and the trial:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all

The jury deliberated more than four hours Saturday before asking for the death penalty against Zein Isa and his wife, Maria. On Friday, the jurors had convicted them in the death of their daughter Tina, the father for stabbing her and the mother for holding her down.

The girl’s screams and moans as she begged her parents not to kill her were captured by devices secretly planted in the apartment by Federal agents who were looking into possible illegal activities by Mr. Isa on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization.

Cultures and Generations Clash

Instead of international intrigue, the tapes captured a sometimes chilling, sometimes heartbreaking family drama involving clashes of cultures — Mr. Isa was born in Palestine and his wife in Brazil — and the parents’ attempts to control their daughter who, it seems, wanted to be an American teen-ager.

The surveillance unit was not staffed on Nov. 6, 1989, the night Tina Isa was killed. Soon after the killing, the F.B.I. turned over a number of tapes to the prosecutor, Dee Joyce-Hayes. They included a number of phone conversations with Zein Isa and several other daughters in which he seems to discuss various methods of getting rid of Tina, including accusing her of attacking him with a knife. Since the F.B.I. has refused to discuss the tapes, only some of which were used at the trial, it is not clear whether the authorities could have intervened to prevent the killing.

Translated for Jury

The seven-minute tape of the killing, on which the father is heard shouting in Arabic “Die quickly!” in answer to his daughter’s cries, chilled the jury of seven women and five men and shocked court officials who thought they had seen and heard everything.

“It’s worse than any movie, any film, anything I thought that I would ever hear in my life,” said Bob Craddick, an assistant prosecutor for seven years, who has heard the tape seven or eight times.

Stomach-turning:

…On the night of her death, Tina’s parents express anger on the tape that she was at work, then seem not to believe that she was at work at all. Then Tina’s father says: “Here, listen, my dear daughter, do you know that this is the last day. Tonight, you’re going to die?”

Tina responds: “Huh?”

Zein Isa replies: “Do you know that you are going to die tonight?”

The girl’s mother asks her questions about items in her schoolbag. In the midst of her conversation with her mother, Tina begins to shriek in fear.

“Keep still, Tina!” says her father.

“Mother, please help me!”

“Huh? What do you mean?” the mother says.

“Help! Help!”

“What help?” the mother responds.

Tina screams, and Maria says: “Are you going to listen? Are you going to listen?”

Screaming louder, Tina gasps: “Yes! Yes! Yes, I am!” then coughs and adds, “No. Please!”

The mother says, “Shut up!”

Tina continues to cry, but her voice is unintelligible.

“Die! Die quickly! Die quickly!” the father says.

The girl moans, seems to quiet, then screams one last time.

“Quiet, little one! Die my daughter, die!” the father says.

Tina was stabbed six times in the chest with a boning knife, which pierced her heart, one lung, and liver, investigators said.

Zein Isa died from illness while waiting on death row in 1997. Maria Isa’s sentence was commuted to life imprisonment without parole.

May they both rot in hell. And may Aqsa Parvez’s father rot there with them.

Cultures and Generations Clash

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More here: http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art47666.asp

An honor killing is usually a private family matter. One family member, usually the father or oldest son, kills the family member who has disgraced or dishonored the family, usually a female who has either had premarital sex or been unfaithful in her marriage. Honor killings take place mostly in third world countries, although in November of 1989, Saint Louis gained National attention in what became one of the most publicized honor killings in the world.

The FBI unintentionally taped the brutal murder of 16-year-old Tina Isa, while doing electronic surveillance of the Isa’a home. Zein Isa, Tina’s father was a suspected Palestinian Terrorist and had been under FBI surveillance for some time. The first clue to Tina Isa’s death came one morning as FBI agents listened to the surveillance tapes from the night before. Imagine the difficulty the agents must have experienced listening to Tina’s terrifying screams, as her Palestinian father kills her and her Brazilian mother Maria helps him.

The agents quickly realize with horror, they are already hours to late and that Tina is already dead. The agents hear Tina screaming, begging her mother please help me and her mother says only shut up. Tina’s father stabs her with a butcher knife 13 times in the chest, while Tina’s mother Maria holds her daughter down. The murder of their daughter Tina Isa takes eight minutes. The tape ends with Zein Isa telling his daughter die, die quickly, quiet, little one, die, my daughter, die. Then there is silence on the tape and it is obvious Tina has died.

After hearing the murder of Tina Isa on the surveillance tape, agents must make a difficult decision. Do they blow FBI cover, turn over the audiotapes, allowing the prosecutor to prosecute the Isa’a for murdering their daughter. Do they continue their surveillance and hope that Zein and Maria Isa lead the agents to terrorists. In the end, the agents turn over their evidence to the prosecuting attorney’s office and prosecute the Isa’s for the murder of their daughter.

Tina is an honor killing.

A daughter killed by her father for causing dishonor for her family in her father’s eyes.

Earlier in the day, Tina had applied for a part-time job at a local Saint Louis Wendy’s Restaurant against her parents wishes, and with out their permission.

Recently she had begun seeing a black boy from school.

Both of these behaviors disrespect the family, enough that her father felt justified in killing her.

The number of honor killings worldwide is difficult to detect. Honor killings are a taboo subject. Killing your child because they are disrespectful is not open for discussion in any country.

During their trial, the Zein Isa tried to get the surveillance tapes thrown out as evidence because they captured events that had no relevance to the FBI’s investigation. The court allowed the tapes as evidence, which allowed the jury to hear Tina’s voice from beyond the grave, and the stark cold method in which her father and mother murdered her in cold blood in her own home.

Zein and Maria Isa both found guilty of Murder and sentenced to death.

oh how sad

I remember the older story as well and it is still enough to make me physically ill

Honor killing in Dallas?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019415.php

People have been sending me this story all day, and I thank you all for doing so, but I haven't put it up until now because I do not, contrary to the allegations of some, post here every crime committed by a Muslim, or attribute crimes committed by Muslims to the jihad ideology without evidence that there is a connection. A murder is a terrible thing, but all kinds of people commit murders, and they do so for all sorts of reasons.

However, this story from WFAA.com (thanks to Stacy McCain at the Washington Times) contains a detail that suggests it was an honor killing: "Police say they are looking into the possibility that the father was upset with his daughters dating activities."

Now, of course, that may turn out not to be the case. But it is good to see that the possibility is being investigated, for in a world where some Muslim parents consider honor killings fully justified, and the Jordanian Parliament rejects on Islamic grounds a law stiffening penalties for honor killings, it cannot be lightly dismissed. And since no one in officialdom seems up to challenging the jihad ideology among Muslims in the United States, we can unfortunately be sure that if this one isn't an honor killing, there will be one -- eventually.

"Police close in on man suspected of murdering his daughters," by Justin Farmer of WFAA-TV and Jason Trahan of The Dallas Morning News at the WFAA site:
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dw...ad.cfc02f.html

A seven-hour standoff in Lewisville ended when police entered the home to find it was empty.

Police surrounded an area they believed might have been a possible hiding spot for a man suspected of murdering his two teenage daughters, who were both found shot to death in their father's taxi cab just outside the Omni Mandaly Hotel at Las Colinas.

Tactical officers wore body armor, brandished shields and sealed off the entire 1000 block of Lakeland Drive, which was where they moved in on a one-story frame house that authorities said is the home of 50-year-old Yaser Abdel Said, the suspect.

While the standoff ended with no sign of Said, police said they are still searching for a motive that may have led the father to possibly murder his two teenage daughters, one of whom called 911 from a cell phone near the spot where the girls were later found.

Police said they are looking into the possibility that the father was upset with his daughters dating activities.

"It's something well worth looking into," said OFC David Tull of Irving Police.

The man's wife is fully cooperating with inquiries, police said.

The murder investigation all began at about 7:30 p.m. Tuesday, when Irving police said they received a 911 call from a woman saying she was shot, but said she couldn't say where she was located. The call originated near O’Connor Road and Riverside Drive, which is where officers were sent, but were unable to locate anything suspicious.

An hour later, police received another call from someone reporting a suspicious taxicab in a parking lot in the 200 block of Las Colinas Boulevard, which is about a half-mile from where the victim called. Inside, police said they found Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and her sister Amina Yaser Said, 18, both of Lewisville.

It was unclear which woman made the 911 call. Anyone with information about the slayings should call Irving police at 972-721-2518.


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The girls who were killed.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...honor-kil.html

I too would be cautious but it appears the bird is quacking....I say it is a duck!

An Islamic lynching!

If I am wrong then I will apologize...

... for in a world where some Muslim parents consider honor killings fully justified, and the Jordanian Parliament rejects on Islamic grounds a law stiffening penalties for honor killings, it cannot be lightly dismissed....

Jordan quashes 'honour crimes' law
http://english.aljazeera.net/English...rchiveId=39747

Jordan’s Parliament has rejected the senate’s recommendation to uphold a law providing stiffer penalties for men who kill women in so-called "honour killings".

Jordanian women have protested parliament's latest move

It is the second time in over a month that the newly-elected parliament voted to reject an amended Penal Code law which was passed by the government during parliament’s absence in 2001, stipulating harsher punishment for perpetrators of honour killings.

The lower house also decided to refer to its legal committee another law which gives women the right to divorce their husbands, which the senate had urged them to uphold.

"Sixty of the 85 deputies present in parliament voted to reject this temporarily because the amendments (made by the senate) were superficial and did not deal with the root of the issue," Islamist deputy Adab Saoud told AFP.

Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.

But the debate has not ended as representatives from the lower and upper houses of the government will have to meet to decide the fate of the law.

The issue of women’s rights, particularly honour killings, has been a highly charged issue between conservative and liberal sides of the political spectrum.

Murder cases carry stiff penalties in Jordan, but honour killers usually receive reduced sentences since their crimes are considered to be committed in “fits of rage” or as a “crime of passion”, sparked by “unlawful action” on the part of the victim.

There have been at least seven cases of honour killings in 2003.

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The internet is flooded with stories of “honor” killings.

Turkey's women : According to the report, in the past 17 years, at least 6,000 women and 4,600 children found refuge in shelters

http://english.people.com.cn/200703/...07_355225.html

Netherlands : The National Police has received 154 reports of honour-related threats and violence since last August

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/20...-on-honor.html

The United Nations Population Fund estimates that the annual worldwide total of killings might be as high as 5,000 women. : http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/honourcrimes/

According to the Palestinian women's affairs ministry, 20 girls and women were murdered in honour killings in 2004. A further 50 committed suicide - often under coercion - for "shaming" their families. Another 15 survived suicide attempts. : http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics...fhonor_8.shtml

If the US allows immigrants from countries that condone “honor” murders
then shelters better get ready for the flood of women and children seeking protection from their animal men folk.

Friends: Murdered Teens Were Afraid Of Their Dad
Bud Gillett

LEWISVILLE (CBS 11 News) ¯ Friends and classmates are in shock after two teenage sisters are murdered, police say, by their own father.

Just after 5 p.m. Wednesday Lewisville police and Denton County Sheriff's SWAT officers began clearing the scene in the 1000 block of Lakeland Drive.

Law enforcement officials spent the earlier part of the day going through the home of wanted capital murder suspect Yaser Abbdel Said.

An hours long vigil was triggered after someone thought they'd seen movement inside the house. Officials eventually learned that no one was inside, but an armored car was called to the scene and nearly a dozen canisters of tear gas were shot inside the residence.

Sharp shooters also sat nearby, keeping an eye out for Said. The 50-year-old taxi driver is accused of murdering his two daughters Tuesday night and leaving their bodies in his cab at an Irving hotel.

Sisters, Amina, 18, and Sarah, 17, were each shot to death. Friends of the girls say their father was Egyptian and critical of popular American lifestyles. ""He was really strict about guy relationships and talking to guys, as well as the things she wears," Kathleen Wong, a friend of the dead teenagers. "I'm definitely 100% sure that it was her dad that killed her."

The family's neighbor, however, seemed to be more taken back by the news. "My truck was in the shop, and I got him to take me down and get it out of the shop. He seemed like a pretty nice guy. His son would come by all the time and borrow tools from me," said Ross Chancellor.

Wong says the girl's father was verbally abusive and that Sarah, especially, lived in fear. "She's always told me that she was always so scared of her dad," says Wong. "Even at school if a teacher joked around like, 'I'm gonna tell your parents about this', she would like totally flip out and start crying like, 'please don't tell'."

While Irving police won't speculate on motive they agree the family had domestic issues. "We do consider this man armed and dangerous; he does have a capital murder warrant out for him," said David Tull, Irving Police Department.

Police say Said remains at large and urge anyone who knows him or his whereabouts to contact police.

For safety reasons, police are holding Said's wife and young adult son at an undisclosed location.

http://cbs11tv.com/local/Yaser.Abbde....2.622026.html


Here is a link to one of the girls' My Space page and a picture of them acting silly, which is really sweet.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=200867641

This reminds me of Christmas Day when my grown kids had opened some of their presents and took the gift bags and stuck them upside down on their heads. We all started laughing because it was hilarious and they were doing the dog pile thing and I got some really great pictures. Those two girls would not have been out of place at our Christmas celebration. Now they are dead.


http://cbs11tv.com/local/Yaser.Abbde....2.622026.html

Check out the link that Great Comet of 1577 provided and click on the video on the right. Those were two, sweet and beautiful girls, and the guy friend in the videosays it all, how could you kill the two most precious things?

I don't know how the hell I stumbled on it (by google, not through myspace) but here is Amina's myspace page.

http://www.myspace.com/semirockerchic

I just found but some clues might be found there with a little looking.

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The whole honor killing phenomenon in Muslim communities has Freudian overtones.The fathers and brothers appear sexually fixated on their daughters and sisters. They cannot handle their own sexual feelings for their own kin, nor can they handle the fact that other men may start to be attracted to their kin, so they kill them.

This is very different from the infanticide of female babies which is not uncommon in places like India and China. There it is a cold and calculating decision, an almost clinical one.

Killing of teenage girls is very different. Certainly, a crime of passion. Honor killings have a sexual dimension to them, and they do seem to once again underscore the sexual deviance and pathology at the core of the fanatical Muslim male psyche.

Ever notice how we rarely hear about Muslim dad's killing their sons?

If you want to do a case study on demented Muslim male sexual mentality, here is a real doozy.

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/s.../Child%20Abuse