Thread: Cmmon sense about Abortion that ALL should agree on.

Originally Posted by dv8grl

Dtroit, when you can get pregnant, then you can have a say in the abortion debate , but until then..

I have every right to an opinion in this matter as a human being and furthermore as a FATHER. My wife is in TOTAL agreement with me by the way.

And why is it that a woman can decide to have an Abortion and the Father of that baby has NO say in it? What if the father or his family would take responsibility for the child.

This my body attitude is selfishness pure and simple.

Did you know that a fetus in the womb reacts to external stimulus? And when they introduce foreign objects into the womb the fetus KNOWS and trys to recoil and get away from the invading object?

One of the universal signs of Sentience and intelligence, is reactions to external stimuli and self awareness. If a scientist for NASA found a new organism that displayed the traits that a fetus in the womb does, he/she would protect it at all costs and try to determine its level of intelligence. With a fetus we already KNOW that given time to mature, grow and receive instruction it will be very intelligent indeed.

Originally Posted by MsLynn

OK NOW I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.... I had unwed sex got pregnant, and i have a BEAUTIFUL 6 year old son to show for it. I wouldn't trade him for anything in the world and if thats INCREDIBLY poor decision making well let me tell you how glad i am i made it and you can go straight to hell....

ya'll wanna sit here and say how wrong it is, and thats fine, i'll support your right to say whatever you want till my dying day. BUT.... when you start harassing and in some cases stalking and terrifying women who want an abortion..YA'LL ARE THE ONES BREAKING THE LAWS.. in one day we arrested over 40 people who were threatening women outside of a drs office, most weren't even there for an abortion. protesters have ended up killing people trying to stop abortion. HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT....

ITS LEGAL... AND THATS THE FACT....ITS NOT A CHOICE I WOULD MAKE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO CONDEMN SOMEONE ELSE FOR MAKING IT..

"JUDGE NOT, LEAST YOU BE JUDGED"

I'll answer to GOD... not to you or anyone else for the decisions I make!!!!

Ok first off I was speaking in generalities. But I think even you would agree that deciding to have unwed and unprotected sex is ALWAYS a bad idea. You have a son from this union and that is WONDERFUL. This doesnt change the fact that just as easily you could have had AIDS. So how bout you think twice before you start telling people to go to hell?

This is the reason I do tell people the truth as I see it REGARDLESS of the HATE and ABUSE I will receive. Because I am concerned with people making bad choices that they will regret later (if they have any conscience) and possibly going to hell also.

And I NEVER go to protests etc I would never scream at women and call them baby killers. My KNOWLEDGE that abortion is Murder doesnt change the fact that it is currently legal. I know this. Most of what you have said really has no bearing on what I have said.

But know this...If we are Christians WE ARE SUPPOSED TO JUDGE!

Read the judge not lest by the same measure ye be judged in context.

Or see this link for a good reading on judging according to Gods laws and NOT being hypocritical.

http://www.kgov.com/docs/JudgeRightly.html

Originally Posted by buttrfli

I am pro-choice and proud of it.

I personally haven't been in a situation where I have had to make that decision, but I don't look down on anyone or think they are wrong because of the choices they make... its none of my business anyhow.

Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone

Another person who obviously doesnt read the bible (or if she does doesnt believe that its the literal word of God) trying to use verses to support their views.

First off, you are trying to use the Book of MY faith to show that I am wrong.

Secondly, you take the verse completely out of its original context. When the men were getting ready to stone the prostitute, Jesus took a stick and wrote something on the ground. After that he said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. This AGAIN is an example of Jesus warning people about HYPOCRISY in judgement. MOST of the men who were getting ready to stone her had lain with her or some other woman NOT their wives so they were just as guilty.

The fact of the matter was that under Hebrew law she DESERVED to be stoned to death. But not by those HYPOCRITICAL men. All of them had some sexual immorality in their own lives so none of them would have been right for calling for HER condemnation without asking for their own.

Originally Posted by buttrfli

But that doesn't mean that only people who are getting an abortion are whats wrong with america.

Lets not forget that another problem is close minded people not being accepting of others, and having a "you are wrong because you don't believe how I do" type attitude is also whats wrong with america.

I was using this as an example and I think MOST people understood that. This is the same whether we talk about theives, illegal immigrants or pedophiles. People want to do whatever is CONVENIENT or pleasurable for themselves and want NO consequences.

I certainly dont think women having abortions is the ONLY big problem we are facing as a nation, and its a bit disengeuous for you to act like thats what I was saying.

Originally Posted by galeane29

So you guys are saying that the fathers of these children have no say?
That is so freaking rediculous and selfish

Thank you. As a MAN and a husband and father it is nice to know that not ALL women resent men so much.

Ahh yes. Back again to show us all the EVIL of our ways.....Whatever would we do without someone like you.....Oh thats right, enjoy our lives. Cant have that now can we LOL I know I know

Originally Posted by buttrfli

If it were murder, it wouldn't be legal.

Its only not considered murder by Majority vote of The supreme court who was desperately trying to PLEASE a MINORITY of people led by some very vocal women who mostly happened to be rabid feminists.

Originally Posted by freeby4me

I would more say that they have an opinion but they can run off and hide from the child support and never see the child anyways so....it really should be up to the mother.

This is why people should ONLY sleep with persons whom theytually KNOW preferably in a committed relationship called marriage. How is the man who runs away from a woman who sleeps with every guy around the only one who is the bad guy.

This is a typical man of the world response this is from am EMINEM song called superman

"Not a jealous man, but females lie
But I guess that's just what sluts do, how could it ever be just us two
I'd never love you enough to trust you, we just met and I just f***ed you"

I am not saying that this is right but EVERYBODY knows that MANY men feel and act this way but it doesnt stop women from giving them JUST what they want.

Originally Posted by ahippiechic

It need never be a choice for YOU. But it should remain a choice for anyone who wants to consider it. If you don't believe in abortion, don't get one. But please don't try and limit MY choices. You can control what happens to your body, let me control what happens to mine.

You control what happens to your body by making choices. YOU decide whether you are going to have sex or not. YOU decide whether to use contraception or not. A fetus will be a baby given a chance and that is NOT part of your body!

If anything alive depended on me I would NEVER make a choice that could kill that dependant life form. I am a father of 2 sons, and every choice I make has to consider them.

This is the big lie in the Abortion debate. This isnt about people or MEN trying to tell you what to do with YOUR body. Its people trying to get you to take some responsibility for your CHOICES up to this point.

Originally Posted by MsLynn

you're right it is one of gods laws so....

WHY DON'T WE LET HIM BE THE ONE TO JUDGE US ON IT.. NOT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE ON EARTH.

I dont think anyone is judging the person, but the CHOICE. And even if we do judge the person, it really doesnt matter because in the end when you face your creator on judgement day HOW do you think you can explain KILLING one of his creations by saying that you made the choice because it was your body.

I know that some of you dont believe in God, but please just consider what it might mean if you are wrong.