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    Re: They are wanting to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in schools

    Ok, this questions is for you guys that just have the boys...if they come up and mandate this for your sons, are you going to jump for joy and race down to the health department with your son?
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    Re: They are wanting to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in schools

    Here's the article I was looking for on Merk and how screwed up drug trials are. there is MORE than this at the website...

    http://www.med.miami.edu/communicati...dex.asp?id=662

    November 2, 2005: Drug Industry Human Testing Masks Death, Injury, Compliant FDA Listen

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    Oscar Cabanerio has been waiting in an experimental drug testing center in Miami since 7:30 a.m. The 41- year-old undocumented immigrant says he's desperate for cash to send his wife and four children in Venezuela.

    More than 70 people have crowded into reception rooms furnished with rows of attached blue plastic seats. Cabanerio is one of many regulars who gather at SFBC International Inc.'s test center, which, with 675 beds, is the largest for-profit drug trial site in North America.

    Across the U.S., 3.7 million people have enrolled in drug tests sponsored by the world's largest pharmaceutical companies. The companies have outsourced 75 percent of experimental drug trials to centers like SFBC, a leader in a $14 billion industry.

    At the same time, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has farmed out much of the responsibility for overseeing safety in these tests to private companies known as institutional review boards. These boards are also financed by pharmaceutical companies.

    So, the drug industry is paying the people who do the tests -- and most of the people who regulate those tests. And that combination can be dangerous, and sometimes deadly.

    ``The fundamental problem is a system in which investor- owned businesses have control over the evaluation of their own products,'' says Marcia Angell, editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine from 1999 to 2000. ``Oversight of clinical trials is too important to leave in the hands of drug companies and their agents.''

    `I'm in a Bind'

    Most of the people lining up at SFBC to rent their bodies to medical researchers are poor immigrants from Latin America, drawn to this five-story test center in a converted Holiday Inn motel.

    Inside, the brown paint and linoleum are gouged and scuffed. A bathroom with chipped white tiles reeks of urine; its floor is covered with muddy footprints and used paper towels. The volunteers, who are supposed to be healthy, wait for the chance to get paid for ingesting chemicals that may make them sick.

    They are testing the compounds Big Pharma, the name for the world's largest pharmaceutical companies, hopes to develop into best-selling medicines.

    Cabanerio, who has a mechanical drafting degree from a technical school, says he left Venezuela because he lost his job as a union administrator. For him, the visit to SFBC is a last resort. ``I'm in a bind,'' Cabanerio says in Spanish. ``I need the money.''

    Conflicts of Interest

    Few doctors dispute that testing drugs on people is necessary. No amount of experimentation on laboratory rats will reliably show how a chemical will affect people. Helped by human testing, drugmakers have developed antibiotics capable of curing life-threatening infections as well as revolutionary treatments for diseases like cancer and AIDS.

    These medical success stories mask a clinical drug trial industry that is poorly regulated and riddled with conflicts of interest. Every year, trial participants are injured or killed.

    Rules requiring subjects to avoid alcohol and narcotics and to take part in only one study at a time are sometimes ignored by participants, putting them at risk and tainting the test data.

    The consent forms that people in tests sign -- some of which say participants may die during the trial -- are written in complicated and obscure language. Many drug test participants interviewed say they barely read them.

    Ken Goodman, director of the Bioethics Program at the University of Miami, says pharmaceutical companies are shirking their responsibility to safely develop medicines by using poor, desperate people to test experimental drugs.

    `It's an Eye-Opener'

    ``The setting is jarring,'' says Goodman, 50, who has a doctorate in philosophy, after spending 90 minutes in the waiting rooms at SFBC's Miami center, which is also the company's headquarters. ``It's an eye-opener. Every one of these people should probably raise a red flag. If these human subject recruitment mills are the norm around the country, then our system is in deep trouble.''

    Pharmaceutical companies distance themselves from the experiments on humans by outsourcing most of their trials to private test centers across the U.S. and around the world, says Daniel Federman, a doctor who is a senior dean of Harvard Medical School in Boston.

    The chief executive officers of drug companies should be held accountable for any lack of ethics in these tests, he says.

    ``The CEOs of the companies have to be publicly, explicitly and financially responsible for the ethical approach,'' says Federman, 77, who still sees patients. ``It's not possible to insist on ethical standards unless the company providing the money does so.''

    Pressure for New Drugs

    CEOs of 15 pharmaceutical companies that outsource drug testing to firms including SFBC -- among them, Pfizer Inc., the world's largest drugmaker; Merck & Co.; and Johnson & Johnson -- declined to comment for this story.

    SFBC Chief Executive Arnold Hantman says his center diligently meets all regulations. ``We take very seriously our responsibilities to regulatory authorities, trial participants, clients, employees and shareholders,'' Hantman, 56, says. ``We are committed to conducting research that fully complies with industry and regulatory standards.''

    The pressure pharmaceutical companies face to develop new drugs has intensified in the past 15 years.

    Faced with the expiration of patents on best-selling drugs like AstraZeneca Plc's Prilosec, which has helped tens of millions of people with heartburn and ulcers, Big Pharma has been in a frenzied race to find new sources of profit.

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    Re: They are wanting to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in schools

    Texas Gov. urged against cancer order
    By LIZ AUSTIN PETERSON, Associated Press Writer
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    AUSTIN, Texas - Several key Republicans urged Gov. Rick Perry on Monday to rescind his executive order making Texas the first state to require girls to be vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer.

    Lawmakers should have been allowed to hear from doctors, scientists and patients before the state implemented such a sweeping mandate, said state Sen. Jane Nelson, chairwoman of the health and human services committee. "This is not an emergency," said Nelson, adding that she plans to ask Attorney General Greg Abbott for an opinion on the legality of Perry's order. "It needs to be discussed and debated."

    Three other Republican lawmakers filed bills that would override the mandate, and several others were working on similar legislation.

    Perry defended his decision, saying his fellow conservatives were wrong to worry that mandating the vaccine will trample parents' rights and promote premarital sex. "Providing the HPV vaccine doesn't promote sexual promiscuity any more than providing the Hepatitis B vaccine promotes drug use," Perry said in a statement. "If the medical community developed a vaccine for lung cancer, would the same critics oppose it claiming it would encourage smoking?"

    Perry has ordered the Texas Health and Human Services Commission to adopt rules requiring Merck & Co.'s new Gardasil vaccine for girls entering the sixth grade as of September 2008. The vaccine protects girls against strains of the human papillomavirus that cause most cases of cervical cancer.

    Texas allows parents to opt out of inoculations by filing an affidavit objecting to the vaccine on religious or philosophical reasons, but critics say the order still interferes with parental rights. "I don't think the government should ever presume to know better than the parents what to do with children," Republican Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said.

    Perry also directed state health authorities to make the vaccine available free to girls ages 9 to 18 who are uninsured or whose insurance does not cover vaccines. And he ordered Medicaid to offer Gardasil to women ages 19 to 21.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/...ltBHNlYwM3MTY-


    I wonder if Merck offered Perry a bonus if he got it around the legistlature ?
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    Re: They are wanting to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by tngirl View Post
    Ok, I am now starting to find this humorous. We are talking about government MANDATING that this vaccine be taken by young girls. This means that you will not have a choice as to whether your daughter takes the vaccine or not. Doesn't this fall under that little "I don't want the government telling me what to do with my body?" category? Well fine, they aren't telling you, they are telling your daughter's. And don't you find it amazing that they aren't jumping on the bandwagon and speeding up the vaccine on the guys? What is the difference between HPV in a female and HPV in a male? Same virus.

    I have had cervical cancer, twice. I still would not want my daughter to take this vaccine, especially since the government and drug companies have rushed it onto the market for females only. Right now our family is dealing with the declining health of my sister and my nephew due to a vaccine that the government MADE them take. I don't think I will trust them on this one.
    Just so you know, you can opt out of the program. Also, you ask later about boys......they're researching as fast as they can for boys but since women are the first and MOST effected they wanted to get it out there for the girls. They're also doing research to determine safety for women over 26 years old as that's the current cut off for getting the vaccine.

    This is NOT promoting sex.....in fact, if your child is getting this vaccine at 9 years old I would venture to say it would be ok for you to not tell her what exactly it was for just that it's one of many vaccines that she needs to stay healthy and well in her life. That easy.

    Why in the WORLD do you think this is promoting sex? It's the parent's job to teach their children values and morals.....a vaccine shouldn't change years of good parenting.....JMHO
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    Re: They are wanting to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by girlwithsoul
    This is NOT promoting sex.....in fact, if your child is getting this vaccine at 9 years old I would venture to say it would be ok for you to not tell her what exactly it was for just that it's one of many vaccines that she needs to stay healthy and well in her life. That easy.

    Why in the WORLD do you think this is promoting sex? It's the parent's job to teach their children values and morals.....a vaccine shouldn't change years of good parenting.....JMHO

    Where does she say anything about it promoting/not promoting sex ?

    The ones who keep bringing up this issue ( in the press ) are the ones saying "it is NOT promoting sex ... it is NOT promoting sex .... it is NOT promoting sex"

    That is not even the point that several of us are bringing up here. The point is that the goverment and drug company are rushing into mandating a new and under-tested drug for an entire generation of young women using scare tatics. 8.8 cases of cervical cancer in 100,000 women is NOT an emergancy - especially since the vaccine can't even prevent but a few types and then with no guarentee.


    The point that you yourself make is that too many people are just going to say "it's one of many vaccines that she needs to stay healthy and well in their life" because the goverment would NEVER have another adgenda...

    It is too soon to make this a requirement. Make it available - yes, by all means. To make it a LAW - no.
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    Re: They are wanting to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by hblueeyes View Post
    I was told my cervical cancer was from HPV. At the time of my diagnosis I had been with my hubby for 16 years. Yet he tested negative for HPV. He was retested with the same results. I had never had an extramarital leaison so how did I get it yet not him? Seems to me there is more here than meets the eye.

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    I found out in college that I had HPV. The strain that I had did not cause Cervical Cancer. BF at the time went with me to get tested, etc. They visually inspected him, but saw no indications of HPV. There is no approved test for HPV in men. However, the doctor I talked to at the time said that even though BF did not show signs or symptoms of HPV, he could be a "carrier" of it. I have no idea if I gave it to him or he gave it to me since he never showed any signs. Since that time, I've never had any further issues with HPV.


    Quote Originally Posted by hblueeyes View Post
    I am sick of the junk the government imposes on us and all the stuff they say is ok to put into our bodies. We are a nation that is exercising more than ever, dieting like crazy yet in general we are not in good health. Could it be from all the preservatives, additives, hormones, steroids we ingest daily because the gov says it is safe? Not to mention all the shots we give our kids in order to immunize them. Do you realize that most immunizations are live viruses and HPV is no different. I do not have daughters but if I did I would definitely opt out of this one.
    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this idea is completely crazy. I'll be damned if anyone's going to make my daughter receive this. I have already been selective in what vaccinations my children have received. I'm petrified of shooting them up with all that crap!
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    Re: They are wanting to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in schools

    They visually inspected him, but saw no indications of HPV.
    OK - now I have to clean my monitor !!

    I have never heard of someone being "visually inspected" for a viral infection.
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    Re: They are wanting to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in schools

    "They visually inspected him for signs and symptoms of HPV" = THEY LOOKED FOR GENITAL WARTS.
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    Re: They are wanting to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in schools

    LOL - I'm sorry - I had a totally different visual going .... My DH had to comein to see what I was laughing about.
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    Re: They are wanting to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in schools

    Texas gov., lawmakers in vaccine dispute
    By LIZ AUSTIN PETERSON, Associated Press Writer
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    AUSTIN, Texas - Gov. Rick Perry's office acknowledged Wednesday that legislators hold the power to override his controversial order that schoolgirls be inoculated against the virus that causes cervical cancer, but said any solution they offer should address the disease.

    Opponents of the order have argued that legislators should have heard from doctors, scientists and patients before the state implemented the requirement, and some Republican lawmakers have already filed bills to override the order.

    Lawmakers are welcome to try to bar the requirement, said Perry spokesman Robert Black. Some lawmakers have said that any legislation they pass on the issue would trump the governor's order — an argument Black agreed with. "If the Legislature feels strongly one way or another about preventing cancer in young women ... they should act on it," Black said.

    Perry's order Friday required the Texas Health and Human Services Commission to adopt rules requiring the Merck & Co.'s new Gardasil vaccine for girls entering the sixth grade as of September 2008. The vaccine protects girls against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV, that cause most cases of cervical cancer.

    Conservatives say the order contradicts Texas' abstinence-only sex education policies and intrudes on families. They also balk at the $360 cost for the three-shot series and said Gardasil is too new to force on girls as young as 11 and 12.

    Parents can elect to avoid the vaccine by outlining their religious or philosophical objections. But several lawmakers said they would prefer a program in which parents opt in instead of opting out.

    Perry firmly defended his actions in his State of the State speech on Tuesday, saying "If I err, I will err on the side of protecting life."

    State Sen. Jane Nelson asked Attorney General Greg Abbott on Wednesday for a ruling on the order's legality and guidance on legislative recourse. She did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

    State Rep. Dennis Bonnen, a Republican who filed a bill to override the order, said his research backs Black's interpretation of the law. "Sometimes you have to deal with what the rules of the game are, and in this situation it sounds like the rules of the game may not favor the executive order," he said.

    Merck is bankrolling efforts to pass state laws requiring the Gardasil vaccine for girls across the country, funneling money through Women in Government, an advocacy group made up of female state legislators nationwide. Perry has ties to both.

    One of the drug company's three lobbyists in Texas is Mike Toomey, Perry's former chief of staff. His current chief of staff's mother-in-law, Texas Republican state Rep. Dianne White Delisi, is a state director of Women in Government.


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    Re: They are wanting to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in schools

    Well with any luck the other law makers in Texas have a brain........as for this Governor I think he is completely clueless on this and a few other things
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