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    Yup, this is not a vaccine for a highly casually contagious and deadly disease.....like polio, etc. This is a more subtle condition. You can't catch this 'disease' by sitting next to someone on a bus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahippiechic View Post
    My DD is 8 and we talked to her pedi last week about the vaccine. She said that with my DD's family history etc that she saw no need for her to have when she turned 9.
    not attacking, but I didn't think this had anything to do with family history, I thought it had to do with having sex?

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    I think this one should be up to the parents to decide since you can't catch it via casual contact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine
    ... but I didn't think this had anything to do with family history, I thought it had to do with having sex?
    My niece who is 21 deceided to have the shot; her sister died of a brain cancer which resurfaced in her spine, her mother has had two bouts of breast cancer, her maternal grandmother and paternal grandfather both died of lung cancer. With her family history, she is looking for ways to improve her odds; along with diet and lifestyle.

    That being said, it needs to be left up to the individual to make this choice.
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    California’s Gardasil mandate moves forward
    by Michelle Malkin on Monday, August 29, 2011 at 8:47am


    The California legislature is quietly pushing forward with a sweeping proposal to mandate that Gardasil — the vaccine marketed as a shield against the sexually transmitted human papillomavirus (HPV) — can be dispensed by the state to children as young as 12 without the permission of their parents.

    I confirmed by phone on Friday with the staff of the bill’s sponsor, California Democratic Assemblywoman Toni Atkins, that the legislation had been voted out of the state Senate Appropriations Committee by 6-3. There were no witnesses or testimony at the hearing. The bill, AB 499, had previously been suspended over cost concerns. Now, it is expected to head quickly to the Senate floor for a full vote this week and supporters believe Democratic California Gov. Jerry Brown will sign it.

    A previous push to require all California girls entering sixth grade to be vaccinated with the HPV Vaccine was withdrawn from the state legislature in 2007. The current bill would circumvent the state’s parental consent laws and “allow a minor who is 12 years of age or older to consent to medical care related to the prevention of a sexually transmitted disease.” The bill states: “The minor’s parents or guardian are not liable for payment for medical care provided pursuant to this section.” So, who is?

    From the state Senate Appropriations Committee’s fiscal summary:

    As this bill could result in the administration of vaccinations for hepatitis B and the HPV to Medi-Cal beneficiaries between the ages of 12-17 inclusive that would otherwise not have received these vaccinations, there could be increased costs to the Medi-Cal program, which pays a $9 administrative fee to physicians who administer the vaccines to Medi-Cal beneficiaries. All other costs related to vaccines for Medi-Cal beneficiaries under age 19 are paid for by the federally funded Vaccines for Children Program.

    Based on Medi-Cal counts as of January 2010, it is assumed there are over 466,000 females and 457,000 males (923,000 total) aged 12 through 17 who are Medi-Cal beneficiaries. Although the main focus of HPV prevention has been on young women, there has been recent research indicating the case for also routinely vaccinating young men for the HPV as well. As a result, there could be costs to administer vaccinations for both young women and men.

    For the 923,000 minors aged 12 through 17, a five to ten percent immunization rate for hepatitis B would result in administrative costs ranging from $415,350 to $830,700, fifty percent of which would be a cost to the General Fund. A five to ten percent immunization rate for HPV, which is a three-dose series, would result in administrative costs ranging from $1.2 million to $2.5 million in total funds.
    Outside a few pro-life and parental rights activist websites, there has been zero coverage of the latest major attempt by a state government to legislate Gardasil coverage for minors.


    California Catholic Daily reports:

    “The bill was unexpectedly called back to that committee when it was pointed out that if minors do not need to obtain their parent[s'] consent for the controversial Gardasil HPV vaccination, then the state would have to foot the bill,” explained the Catholic Legislative Network in an email. “Analysis undertaken for the Senate Appropriations Committee could not project the number of children, 12 -17, who might seek the vaccination without letting their parents know. The document, however, estimated the cost at $75,000 to $155,000 per 100 children vaccinated. The drug maker is now recommending the shots for boys as well, making it even harder to project total costs according to the staff report.”

    …“This bill is an end run by the pharmaceutical giant Merck to push their vaccine, Gardasil, on California children at taxpayer’s expense,” said May. “A major public outcry in 2007 killed an effort to make the vaccinations mandatory when Merck proposed it then…“It is time for parents and anyone who cares about the welfare of California’s children to mobilize,” said [Catholic leader Bill] May. “Let’s flood senator[s'] offices with phone calls and letters.”
    There was another major public outcry in 2007 regarding a separate, but related Gardasil mandate, of course — the Texas GOP Gov. Rick Perry’s Gardasil executive order debacle.

    Perry supporters continue to invoke the “opt out” clause as a defense of the Texas measure. But undergirding the Perry decree is the anti-free market belief that it is necessary and right to force private insurance companies to pay for middle-school-age children’s Gardasil injections. Under Texas law, health insurance plans must provide coverage for all mandated vaccinations. There is no “opt out” provision from this mandate. So if Perry’s EO had been implemented, every private insurance plan would have been required to pay for Gardasil vaccinations.

    This is not merely a “social” issue. It goes to core fiscal and free-market principles. Forcing insurers to cover treatments is generally referred to by us limited government advocates as a, yes, mandate. Interfering with existing contracts between private companies and their clients is generally referred to by us fiscal conservatives as, yes, big government. These bottomless benefits mandates drive up the cost of health insurance and contribute to the problem of the uninsured (be sure to click that link and check out page 3, which shows that Texas has the 4th highest number of mandated benefits laws in the country). Texas, perhaps not coincidentally, also has the highest rate of uninsured in the country.

    Those of us who have opposed Obamacare from day one have argued that policymakers should be trying to reduce the cost of health insurance, not increase costs by mandating coverage of every A-to-Z treatment and procedure.
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    I’ve already addressed the critical distinction between traditional school-age vaccines for communicable diseases such as polio and measles versus behavioral/lifestyle immunizations for sexually-transmitted diseases such as HPV and Hepatitis B. They are simply not comparable.

    As a follow-up to debate over my recent Perry/Gardasil post, I’ll add a few more points.


    My intellect, integrity, political motives, and sanity have all been questioned as a result of my long-held opinions on the need for vigilant scrutiny and skepticism of top-down vaccine initiatives sponsored by both Republicans and Democrats. I’ve been called “anti-vaccine” despite the fact that my kids are up to date on their plethora of vaccines with the exception of Gardasil, which I have refused for my 11-year-old daughter for now. Vaccine experts themselves admit the wear-off time for Gardasil is uncertain; some estimate it might be 10 years. Why not wait then until my daughter’s 15 or 16 instead of 11?

    Unlike the old days (which some of my critics who may not have children seem to still be operating under), the current CDC vaccine schedule is clogged with more than a dozen different vaccines, many of which must be taken several times during the course of childhood. The long-term synergistic effects of all of these vaccines are unknown; as the vaccine pipeline fills up, concerns about those synergistic effects should give parents even more pause.

    My husband and I chose to delay — delay temporarily, not deny permanently — several vaccines for our infant son nearly eight years ago. After researching health problems with the rotavirus vaccine and others, we determined that it’s not a bad idea for parents to wait a few years after a new vaccine hits the market to see how things go. (When Rick Perry signed his Executive Order, Gardasil had been on the market for a matter of months and had been tested on only several hundred 11- and 12-year old girls.)

    We were treated like pariahs by our then-pediatrician for delaying some vaccines. I know from personal experience that the pressure to submit children to government-minted vaccine schedules without question or challenge is immense. I blogged in 2007 about the appalling plight of parents in Prince George’s County, Maryland, who were threatened with jail time by public school officials if they didn’t get their kids vaccinated with chickenpox and hepatitis B shots.

    Gardasil mandate-promoters glibly point to “opt out” provisions with a naivete or willful blindness toward the hostility conscientious objectors face in the government-run health care and education systems. Just ask Catholic medical providers in the Age of Obama how it’s working out for them.

    I have been a staunch defender of the pharma industry against anti-capitalist attacks from the left and right. But I have refused to be coerced or bullied into anything regarding my kids’ health– especially when it comes to new behavioral/lifestyle vaccines. I cannot ignore lobbyists and politicians who provide incomplete/incorrect information and obfuscations about the duration of vaccine protection. And whether the mandate-pusher has an “R” or “D” by his or her name, his or her crony ties to Big Pharma lobbyists and donors are and will be fair game for scrutiny and exposure.

    If this makes me “fringe,” I’ll wear it proudly.

    If more taxpayers and patients were as immune to Nanny State schemes, imagine how much healthier we’d all be.
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    My daughters recieved the vaccine... I have had to deal with cervical cancer cells low grade since the age of 14 and its no fun going into the doctor and having them do biopsy's everytime you turn around.... I think its a good thing...but then again thats my opinion.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by chyna123 View Post
    My daughters recieved the vaccine... I have had to deal with cervical cancer cells low grade since the age of 14 and its no fun going into the doctor and having them do biopsy's everytime you turn around.... I think its a good thing...but then again thats my opinion.....
    With your medical history ... it probably is a good thing. The vaccine should be made available... I just don't think it should be made mandatory.
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    Just saw on the news that, 1 out of 4 teenage girls in the USA have a sexually transmitted disease. I would do it.

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    US recommends routine HPV vaccination for boys
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    US health authorities on Friday urged all boys age 11-12 to get a routine vaccination against the most common sexually transmitted disease, human papillomavirus, or HPV.

    Other changes as part of an annual update to US immunization schedules included a recommended hepatitis B vaccine to the protect the livers of adults up to age 60 who have diabetes and a vaccine against whooping cough for pregnant women.

    The updates, agreed upon by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), were published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly report of February 3.

    The HPV vaccine has been approved for girls since 2006 but the CDC had not expressly urged it for boys, though boys were included among those who could receive it to prevent certain cancers and genital warts.

    Health experts have expressed hope that if pre-teen boys and girls are both encouraged to get the vaccine, the rate of infection will decrease in the general population.

    About half of all sexually active adults will get HPV in their lifetime. There are more than 100 types of HPV, and most clear the body on their own, but some strains can linger and lead to cervical, anal or oral cancer.

    Only about 20 percent of women aged 19-27 reported having received the HPV vaccine in 2010, up slightly from 17.6 percent in 2009, the CDC said.

    The vaccine, currently recommended for girls age 11-26, has faced resistance from some parents over fears that immunizing young girls would encourage them to be promiscuous.

    The new guidelines, which were first urged by ACIP in October, call for all males aged 11-12 to get the vaccine too, with a catch up vaccination for those between the ages of 13 and 21 if they missed it.

    HPV vaccine also is recommended for males 22-26 years old who have not been vaccinated before and who have weakened immune defenses, who test positive for human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), or who have sex with men.

    The hepatitis B shot is now being recommended for all adults up to 60 who have diabetes as soon as possible after they are diagnosed, and for those older based on the need for assisted blood glucose monitoring.

    The combination Tdap vaccine against tetanus, diphtheria, and acellular pertussis (or whooping cough) had been urged for adults with close contact to children and for women after they gave birth if they had not previously been vaccinated as adults.

    The new recommendation calls for pregnant women to get the Tdap vaccine at 20 weeks gestation or later so they can pass the antibodies on to the fetus.

    All people age six months and older can get the annual flu vaccine, the update added. Patients with an egg allergy should get the inactivated flu shot.

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    There were no solid study's conducted on the safety of HPV vaccine. Yet the Big Pharma is continuing to push this on us. This is not about your health. It's all about the money.

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    The problem is they "ram-rod" the approval, or better yet, don't even review it...and try to mandate it for the general population to use on as guinea pigs. You really think that there is no money to be made here and perhaps it might influence whether these drugs are approved or not? How about the limited ability of a parent to sue these companies if something DOES go wrong? The pharma companies are the ones being protected while we have nary a say in what is put in our or our children's bodies.....I say no one should have that right taken away!

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    I suggest that all these "health authorities" get the full series of HPV vaccinations themselves, then get back to us in a year to let us know if they still recommend it.

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    Yet another vaccination, and after very little research compared to most other vaccinations. Yet this one is rushed out the door and in some states 'ordered' on all girls. Now they want to do the same with boys. Funny how this problem didn't arise until The State started encouraging kids in schools to have as much sex as possible and instructing them how to perform oral sex with the skill of a hooker. But hey, no one is allowed to mention that or connect the two because that might sound religious or something, and everyone knows religion is bad for you. HPV, on the other hand, is awesome for you.

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    I think the shot is a good idea but how can they make something involving a minor mandatory ecspecially without a parent's consent. There are some religions that do not believe in vaccinations of any kind. My daughter was actually going to try to keep her daughter from being vaccinated and was going to try to get some waiver from the health department so her daughter could go to school without them. This was not a religious choice just a personal one and she feels some of the vaccinations are dangerous.
    When she was gone the first time for the Army, she had to sign a medical consent for care decisions while she was gone and her daughter's other Grandma took her to the doctor and got all of her shots all caught up... so that ended that anyway!
    I know if that happens around here people will go crazy.
    I can't understand how a shot could work for this though, there are so many strains of this virus. Then again thats why I'm not a scientist either.

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