Thread: They are wanting to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in schools

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The duration of vaccine protection is unclear. Current studies (with five-year followup) indicate that the vaccine is effective for at least five years. There is no evidence of waning immunity during that time period. This information will be updated as additional data regarding duration of immunity become available.
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The efficacy of this vaccine has mainly been studied in young women (16-26 years of age) who previously had not been exposed to any of the four HPV types in the vaccine. These clinical trials have demonstrated 100% efficacy in preventing cervical precancers caused by the targeted HPV types, and nearly 100% efficacy in preventing vulvar and vaginal precancers and genital warts caused by the targeted HPV types.
http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/STDFact-H...p.htm#duration

Anyone remember Norplant??

Norplant was a contraception that was placed on the inside upper left arm -- it was supposed to be slow-released over a 5 year period ...

tests showed it was "safe". They promoted it that you could get it removed at any time and within 2 weeks be pregnant (better to plan your children further apart).

I had norplant... lasted for 5 years, went in to have the old set removed and the new set inserted...guess what?

It was removed from the market --- even though they said it was safe, long term effects showed IT CAUSES STERILITY!!

I didn't believe the dr!! No one bothered to notify me of this (it was pulled 1 year before I had mine removed and my dr never said a flippin word!!). So I researched it...

the makers of Norplant were sued time and time again for wrongful damages.


Who is to say that all these vaccines won't have some crazy effect some time down the road...and then who will our children blame but US PARENTS for allowing them to be guinea pigs.

no way... no thanks!


(for the record -- I am now sterile...thanks to the wonder pill)

Originally Posted by captorquewrench

this HPV vaccine shouldn't be mandatory, but the ones for chicken pox, measles, etc most definitely should be. those diseases kill people (ie: children) who don't get vaccinated, and it's a selfish, small minded person who chooses to put others (especially children, their own OR other people's!) at risk for preventable, yet dangerous and potentially deadly diseases. We don't need epidemics in the schools.

MMR is done until Kindergarten -- but there are plenty of parents whose children do NOT cause epidemics etc.

back in the 70's and prior to... a vaccine for chicken pox did not exist... no one closed down schools for it, no one died from getting it... it's a rite of growing up.

that is one of the vaccines that my child has NEVER had -- she had "chicken pops". Is it selfish? No, it's not...I don't believe in the vaccines -- all it is, is man-made schit..and a great pocket liner for drug companies, politicians and doctors.

adults very often die when they get chicken pox. I am not referring to shingles, although they are caused by the same virus. Shingles is painful and recurring to adults exposed to the chicken pox virus as children
it is not a rite of passage...it is deadly.

I hope and pray your child never gets it, especially after adulthood.

Originally Posted by atprm

MMR is done until Kindergarten -- but there are plenty of parents whose children do NOT cause epidemics etc.

back in the 70's and prior to... a vaccine for chicken pox did not exist... no one closed down schools for it, no one died from getting it... it's a rite of growing up.

that is one of the vaccines that my child has NEVER had -- she had "chicken pops". Is it selfish? No, it's not...I don't believe in the vaccines -- all it is, is man-made schit..and a great pocket liner for drug companies, politicians and doctors.

I am going to go with Atprm on this one ... getting the chicken pox naturally allows the person to aquire a LIFE LONG immunity ... the varicella vaccine does not ... they are now requiring MULTIPLE booster shots. Another problem that is showing up in Japan where they have used this vaccine for 20 years is that they are now having an epidemic of Adult Onset Chicken Pox amongst those who were vaccinated rather then being exposed natually. Chicken pox in an adult is a serious thing... I didn't catch it until I was in my 20's... ended up hospitalized for over a week.

The same goes for the flu shot --

none of my family (sans my Dad) have ever gotten a flu shot -- and NONE of us have gotten the flu! On the flip side, my Dad, who has gotten the flu shot, has also got the flu EVERY YEAR!

We are homeopathic / holistic medicine -- especially TCM (traditional chinese medicine)...we treat things naturally -- natural medicines have been around for CENTURIES ... NOT years like the man-made crap pushed by drug companies.

We believe in Osteopathy and Naturopathy vs Medical.

When my youngest was 2 (her time for "Chicken Pops") I WANTED her to get the chicken pox -- because most everyone (it's a very small percentage that get a 2nd bout of it as adults -- even without the vaccine) has it when they are children and the chance of adult reccurrance is slim.

I am not even 100% sold on MMR... on Polio yes...but the rest... no.

Originally Posted by cheryl8

WHOOO! I'm probably gonna get it for this one, but here goes....

The normal route of entry of chickenpox into a child's body is through the mouth and nose-- usually inhaling particles that an infected person has coughed. This means that the virus will come in contact with the mucous membranes and trigger the beginnings of an immune response.

After this initial "alert" of the immune system, the virus travels to the lymphatic system, where additional body defenses are mustered.

Finally, after the body has had adequate time to gear up, the virus gains access to the blood stream and major organs. But by this time, the immune system is mounting a full response (thanks to its being alerted early by the mucous membranes and lymphatic system) and will usually protect the major organs from damage from this virus.

Now compare this scenario to what happens when one's first exposure to the virus is from a vaccine: The mucous membranes are bypassed. The lymphatic system is bypassed.

The live virus gains immediate access to the bloodstream and major organs -- a situation that millions of years of evolutionary wisdom seems to have tried to avoid.

No one really knows what the long term ramifications of exposure to this virus in this unorthodox way are. Since it is so new, there is no long term data available.

In fact there is no data to even suggest that after ten years, immunity from this vaccine is sufficient to prevent the disease -- possibly leaving people vulnerable to getting chickenpox as adults when the risks of this illness are much greater.

There is no evidence that when little girls who have received the chickenpox vaccine grow up and become mothers, they will be able to pass sufficient antibodies on to their babies to protect them from chickenpox in infancy -- which can also be dangerous in the very young.

And like all vaccines currently on the market, there is no requirement that manufacturers study recipients of vaccines to identify possible long-term ill-effects from these biological agents.

Pharmaceutical company spun articles and news reports began appearing that emphasized that chickenpox is not a benign disease.

First they said that there were about ten deaths a year due chickenpox. A year later I saw an article that claimed there were a hundred deaths a year due to chickenpox. Next came a heart-rending article, splashed all-over the newspapers complete with color pictures and all of some poor child who had a "normal" case of chickenpox and then developed some serious heart complication. The child's doctor was quoted as saying, "Chickenpox is NOT harmless!"

What the media never seem to mention in all these alarmist articles is that most of the children who die from chickenpox were already immunocompromised -- many are suffering from cancer or leukemia.

Also nobody even thinks to question what other lifestyle choices these families are making that may place their child at greater risk -- Is the child exposed to cigarette smoke? Does the child consume a lot of sweets, hydrogenated fats, refined carbohydrates and/or animal protein (in other words the typical American diet) which may be depressing his immune system?

Maybe some parents believe that they can't keep their children from eating a junky diet, and thus they need this and other vaccines to protect them from possibly becoming quite ill, because their immune system--compromised by a poor diet, might not be able to adequately protect their child from serious harm from common diseases.

But in a free country, does that mean that families who DO take personal responsibility for their health, and do eat healthy whole-foods plant-based diets low in processed foods and trans-fatty acids MUST forfeit their right to an undamaged immune system simply because the masses, persuaded by drug manufacturers choose to put their faith in science over nature?

In addition, most people are unfamiliar with the fact that there are numerous accounts by parents whose children developed neurological or immune problems shortly after a vaccination but could not get their doctor to even consider that the vaccine was responsible and couldn't get their doctor to report it as a vaccine adverse event to the government agencies that keep track of such data. No wonder the CDC bean-counters are so quick to claim that the dangers of the natural diseases are a greater risk to children then the dangers of the vaccinations.

Furthermore, what will be the risk to these children's babies? The vaccine which takes a series of three shots to provide immunity cannot possibly protect a newborn from the illness, and it would be pretty naive to believe that a mother who had only received the vaccine, but never actually contracted the disease and developed full immunity would actually be able to pass on sufficient immunities to her newborn.

The vaccine IS a live virus. Studies have documented that for a period of time after vaccination with a live virus vaccine, a person will "shed" some of that virus from their body, which may infect others.

Most often, when a child comes down with chickenpox, that child stays home and is not out exposing the community for most of the time that they are infectious, but after a vaccination? Who keeps their children at home and away from older people for a couple of weeks while they may be shedding virus after being vaccinated? How is shingles provoked from shed vaccine different then shingles provoked from the wild chickenpox virus? We don't know. What about children who miss getting chickenpox in childhood because they were vaccinated...what happens when their immunity starts to wane..(which it always does with vaccines -- that's why you have to keep getting booster shots). Will they be even more susceptible to provocation shingles?

At least second-hand exposure to the vaccination doesn't bypass the normal engagement of our immune system.

Until someone can come up with data to adequately dispel all of my concerns I'd rather bet my family's health, and the health of our species on the wisdom of millions of years of evolutionary history rather then humankind's usually naive and misguided manipulations of nature.

THANK YOU!!

very well said!!

For everyone reading this thread, the bottom line is:
WHEN your kid gets sick, not IF, either now or as an adult, and they ask you "Why did you let this happen?" can you in good conscience look them in the eye and shoot straight with them as to whether or not you allowed a vaccine or medicine that would have prevented or cured their illness.

No one believes in finding a route other than mainstream medicine than I do...I wouldn't even go to the hospital for childbirth, but you have to find a balance between natural things and modern medicine. You have to be able to dig in and find out is this one for common good, or the pharma companies in it just to make a buck?

I mean, no one else gets a bad rap nearly as bad as doctors for trying to make a living. People like being healthy, but doctors are "in it for the money" Puhleeze! Everybody loves music, but I don't see anyone giving me a hard time about making my living as a gigging musician and music teacher as "in it for the money". Most doctors are just as broke as we are. Their overhead cost is unbelievable.

It's time to quit the double standard, folks. Natural medicines work, modern medicine works. No reason we can't be smartly resourceful and draw from two pools of information. I take natural things for everyday aches, pains and conditions, but if I get cancer, God forbid, I am headed straight to MD Anderson. When natural medicine didn't take care of my hands after many years, I've had two hand surgeries and need to have at least two more. You bet I'll have them done. I need pain relief.

I work on 4 different campuses. I used to get the flu every year. Now I get a flu shot...I don't get the flu from all the exposure with those kids, and I don't spread the flu to all those kids

And if there is a vaccine that keeps my kids from getting sick, to be cliche for sure, an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.

For everyone reading this thread, the bottom line is:
WHEN your kid gets sick, not IF, either now or as an adult, and they ask you "Why did you let this happen?" can you in good conscience look them in the eye and shoot straight with them as to whether or not you allowed a vaccine or medicine that would have prevented or cured their illness.

Unless you can guarentee that this is 100% low risk ... the answer is NO. Gardesil has not been on market long enough to weigh the LONG TERM affects, was not adequately tested on the 9 - 12 age group that they want to REQUIRE take shots for a sexualy transmitted disease. They can't even say that this vaccine WILL PREVENT cervical cancer... only that it will increase your odds of not getting 8 out of 65 types of cervical cancer.

Meryk wants the FDA to MANDATE this vaccine so that they are then protected from ANY LEGAL liabilty in perpututuity... ( forever ... i can't spell today ) So if they find, in 20 years, that this vaccine has caused other complications ( like sterility )then there is no recourse. Of course by then it will be too late to do anything but to say ... "I'm sorry, I didn't know"

1 in 4 US teen girls got cervical cancer shot
By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer
1 hour, 1 minute ago

ATLANTA - One in four teen girls have rolled up their sleeves for the relatively new vaccine against cervical cancer, federal health officials said Thursday.

The figures represent the government's first substantial study of vaccination rates for the Gardasil vaccine — Merck & Co.'s heavily advertised, three-shot series that targets the sexually transmitted human papillomavirus, or HPV. The vaccine protects against strains of the virus that cause about 70 percent of cervical cancers.

Health officials recommend that girls get the shots when they are 11 or 12, if possible, before they become sexually active. Also, age 11 is when kids are generally due for another round of vaccinations.

The survey only covered children in the 13-17 age range.

Vaccine proponents had been hoping for much higher vaccination rates, saying the shots could dramatically reduce the nearly 4,000 cervical cancer deaths that occur each year in the United States.

But many families are cautious about the safety of new vaccines, said Patti Gravitt, a Johns Hopkins University associate professor of epidemiology.

Other things about the vaccine may give some families pause. It is expensive, retailing for about $375, although many health insurers now cover it. And there are questions about whether it confers lifetime immunity or if a booster shot will be needed. "Some parents may be adopting the attitude with their daughters that, 'Well, you're still young. I can wait a couple more years before you're sexually active,'" said Gravitt, who was not involved in the research. "My personal opinion is that this seems quite reasonable after the first year," Gravitt said, of the 25 percent vaccination rate.

Merck officials said they were pleased with the vaccination rate. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention based the study on household telephone surveys done in late 2007. The survey results cover the time frame from when the vaccine came on the market in mid-2006 to when the survey questions were answered.

The results are based on nearly 3,000 teens ages 13 to 17 for whom the researchers could verify vaccination information through medical records. Of the girls in the survey, 25 percent had received at least one Gardasil shot. That's about 2.5 million of the 10 million girls in that age group.

The CDC, which has been promoting other shots for adolescents, also studied other teen vaccination rates. About 32 percent of teenagers got a recommended meningitis shot, up from 12 percent in a 2006 survey. Also, 30 percent got another relatively new shot, one that guards against tetanus, diphtheria and whooping cough. That's up from 11 percent in the survey the year before.

About 75 to 90 percent of children have had the better-known vaccinations that have long been required by schools, such as chickenpox, hepatitis B and measles, mumps and rubella, the study found. "There's a lot of good news in the survey results," said Dr. Lance Rodewald, director of the CDC's Division of Immunization Services.

But while the study showed improvements in the number of preteens and teenagers being protected against serious diseases, health officials are pushing for 90 percent immunization rates for all recommended shots, he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/...JzXJMz0Nus0NUE

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