Thread: Mentalist news...

LOL - I found this ... don't know if it helps or just contribute to "information overload"


http://redjohn.com/theories/ covers up to Season 4 and looks ahead to Season 5 ... but then leaves off. Interesting read.

http://www.whoisredjohn.com/Red-John-suspects looks interesting ... list their "Top 3 suspects" as Bob Kirkland and Brett Partridge - who have already been eliminated; leaving only Ray Haffner on Jane's list. It does list the suspects with photos and supporting info ( includes all the members of the CBI team and several characters who are already "removed" )

One interesting therory presented has Grace as Red John's daughter ... and the inside mole !

Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

Seven suspects are left, but only one is Red John.

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I think it will be the Sheriff

Originally Posted by sunflowers

anyway to put a x on those ruled out..Im getting confused who is left..lol 5 of them I think?

Poll : Who Is Red John?
Brett Stiles 16%
Gale Bertram 17%
Bob Kirkland 17% - eliminated
Ray Haffner 15%
Reede Smith 2%
Thomas McAllister 5%
Brett Partridge 27% - eliminated

ok now you have really confused me because the list of names above don't match up in order with pics...ughhhh

Im starting to think guy on far left is working with Red John but is not him??

I'm so pissed it didn't end...ughh Im so sick of this ,come one who did it?

Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

Poll : Who Is Red John?

Brett Stiles 16%
Gale Bertram 17%
Bob Kirkland 17% - eliminated
Ray Haffner 15%
Reede Smith 2%
Thomas McAllister 5%
Brett Partridge 27% - eliminated

]Poll : Who Is Red John?

Brett Stiles 16% - eliminated
Gale Bertram 17%
Bob Kirkland 17% - eliminated
Ray Haffner 15% - eliminated
Reede Smith 2%
Thomas McAllister 5%
Brett Partridge 27% - eliminated


Still going with Sheriff Thomas McAllister ...

Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

Poll : Who Is Red John?

Brett Stiles 16% - eliminated
Gale Bertram 17%
Bob Kirkland 17% - eliminated
Ray Haffner 15% - eliminated
Reede Smith 2%
Thomas McAllister 5%
Brett Partridge 27% - eliminated


Still going with Sheriff Thomas McAllister ...

Nope - McAllister was killed in the explosion ... now we are down to TWO

'Mentalist' Postmortem: Red John's Identity, CBI's Future and Jane's Next Move

8:00 PM PST 11/17/2013 by Philiana Ng

"It was fun to destroy parts of the world that I had helped create and have great fondness for," writer Jordan Harper tells THR. "We have taken a monkey wrench to our show and to the world that the show lives in."

[Warning: Major spoilers from Sunday's episode. Do not proceed if you have not watched.]

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Has Red John been unmasked?

Patrick Jane (Simon Baker) and Co. whittled down their list of Red John suspects to one name by the end of Sunday's episode, "The Great Red Dragon": CBI Director Gale Bertram (Michael Gaston). Jane made his discovery known to the public through a press conference broadcast on television, prompting Bertram to go on the run.

The Red John search -- one that kicked off when the series debuted in 2008 -- may be nearing its end, but the conflict is much larger than anticipated with the shutdown of the CBI and the FBI's takeover. The writer of Sunday's episode, Jordan Harper, talks to The Hollywood Reporter about the repercussions of Jane's public declaration, whether Bertram is Red John, a world without CBI and next week's "big, big" episode.

What was the most challenging thing to get right?

The hardest part was knitting together the episode that comes before it and the episode that comes after it -- at least that was the first challenge. I really saw this as the middle part of a trilogy, so I had to make sure I delivered on both those fronts. The episode basically takes place entirely at a spring, which is not the normal tempo for The Mentalist. I had a lot to get done, and I wanted it to be fun to watch. There's a version of this story that could have been told with a lot of exposition and fewer shoot-outs, but I wanted to do the shoot-outs.

What was your favorite scene or moment to write?

There are a lot of things about this episode I really, really liked. I think director Elodie Keene and our crew did a great job with the shoot-out with Owain [Yeoman, who plays Rigsby] and Amanda [Righetti, who plays Van Pelt]. It was by far the most intricate action scene I had ever written, and while it comes off as chaotic on the screen, it was anything but in the planning. I really enjoyed introducing Rockmond Dunbar as FBI agent Dennis Abbott, and we will be needing him again.

This episode knocks off several Red John suspects right away following last week's explosion, leaving Bertram as the person Jane, Lisbon and the rest of the CBI team believe is the culprit. Are they correct?

You'll have to watch and see. I don't want to tip anything from the upcoming episode other than Jane has a lot going on in his head, and he's going to have even more going on in the next episode.

Was it particularly difficult seemingly killing three Red John suspects -- Sheriff Tom McAllister, Visualize leader Bret Stiles and FBI agent Ray Haffner -- at the beginning of the hour? Was that always the plan?

To be honest, that was one of the easiest things I had to come up with because Ken Woodruff wrote the episode before mine [titled "Fire and Brimstone"]. All I had to do was write, "Fade in. The house has blown up." I will say, fewer body parts made it in than were on-set that day, which was a personal regret of mine. I understand that you can't get everything out of life, but there was more than a foot there. Our show isn't normally that gory, but we wanted to make very clear that that was a human foot and there were dead bodies in there. Choreographing Lisbon coming into that scene and how fast her mind has to move from who survived this, did anyone survive this, to Smith surviving it, to thinking Smith is Red John, not knowing there were other people with tattoos, she's exactly where Jane was the episode before that. And keeping track of what everybody knows and don't know in that time span was very challenging.

Jane's press conference revealing to the public the identity of Red John was a big move. What does that mean for everyone involved moving forward?

One of the reasons that that is an important scene is Jane knows. And as the audience quickly sees, he's exposing the leader of the CBI as a killer, and that's something that will have repercussions and does in the episode. It's not something he does idly.

You touched on Abbott's entrance, with him shutting down the CBI and relieving everyone of their duties. What is Jane and Co.'s next move and what is their state of mind at the moment?

These are questions that are going to be addressed very quickly in the "Red John" episode. It's a big move to have the CBI shut down. It means Jane doesn't have the backstop he's always had, a veneer of law enforcement that allows him to operate in the way that Jane operates. When he loses that -- well, you can't count Jane out -- he does lose one of the best cards in his hand.

Talk about the scene between Lisbon and Jane after they find out the FBI is taking over, when Lisbon essentially tells him that he won't give up.

I'm glad you picked up on that. To me, that's a big difference between quitting and letting go. The alcoholics say you gotta know the difference between the things you can change and the things you can't, and you can't always force things to go the way you want. But if you let go, you might be able to find other ways of making things work.

Will more information be divulged about The Blake Association?

We're going to keep talking about it.

Now that CBI is 'evidence', how do Jane, Lisbon, Van Pelt, Cho and Rigsby come back together?

It's going to unfold in the next few episodes. As someone who's written on the show for a long time, it was fun to destroy parts of the world that I had helped create and have great fondness for. We have taken a monkey wrench to our show and to the world that the show lives in. Quite a bit of enjoyment came out of that.

What is the world like without CBI at its core?

It's bigger. That's about all I can say, because there's a lot unfolding. It's a brave new world.

With the Red John mystery looking like it'll wrap up soon, are seeds planted for the next big arc?

It's fair to say that while there is going to be a huge shift in the story after this, it's not going to come out of nowhere. Everything that precedes is going to have logical antecedents in these run of episodes.

Without revealing too much, how would you characterize Jane and Bertram's encounter?

I realize that this episode raises a lot of questions. Normally at the end of one of our episodes, you're able to say more definitive things than I am able to say right now. Jane and Bertram will meet again. (Laughs.)

What are you hoping to explore further?

We're in a whole new world now. I'm currently working on my next episode, and I'm getting to do things I've never gotten to do on The Mentalist. It's nice after this many episodes to open the world up and feel like a new show.

Preview next week's episode, which you've said is the last of the "trilogy," so to speak.

It's called "Red John." It's written by Bruno Heller and directed by Chris Long, one of our executive producers, and it's a big, big episode. In the history of our show, it is easily the biggest episode we've ever done. In a lot of ways I'm just setting the table.

The Mentalist airs Sundays at 10 p.m. on CBS.

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It is now approaching Episode 8 of Season 6, and most would still think the dead suspects in the last 7 episodes who might have faked death (except Bob Kirkland whom was definitely shot dead by Reede Smith in Episode 5) ... ... that's possible though, let's make my contributions here :

1) Patrick Jane himself is definitely not RJ.

2) Exclude women suspects, RJhad the blind lover Rosalind Harker (who had slept with RJ when RJ was with Sherriff Hardy (Dumar)) (Season 1 Episode 23 - Red John's footsteps). RJ might have raped Lorelei's sister Miranda.RJ is not a woman.

3) Once I made guess that Bertram is RJ, but I deleted him later, he is not as smart as what RJ should be (pretending not smart enough?), he's figure does not fit into Rosalind Harker's description of RJ. Okay, RJ can grow fat, but I don't think he's someone with a big belly and bald. Bertram's escape might represent he's the leader of a certain sub-section of the Blake Organization, he seemed to have a member list and that routine storage place for his dirty deals and money.

4) If the person in mask using his own voice talked to PJ in Season 2 Episode 23 in that small church was RJ himself (same voice as in Season 4 Episode 24 -The Crimson Hat, talked to PJ through the cell phone tied to Luther Wainwright), possibly Brett Patridge and Ray Haffner, closer voice/tone, height and figure fit Rosalind Harker's description, tall just under 6 ft, not big but not weak, straight soft hair, she's a blind woman, she's very sensitive in feeling a person by touching, esp she had slept with RJ.

5) Bret Stiles or Sherriff McAllister are too old to be RJ ? In Season 5, Episode 13 - The Red Barn, 20+ years ago, both were late 30s or early 40s, but in the Ellison Barn, the earliest possible killing by RJ was in 1988, hard to believe a smart powerful serial killer only started to kill his very first victim by the age of late 30s or early 40s? If the killer at Ellison Barn was RJ, possibly RJ was a young fellow member of the Visualized or a young leader around 20 or in 20s. In this theory, age-wise, Haffner and Partridge fit, not Smith and Bertram (both excluded bcos of shape), Stile or McAllister (both excluded bcos of age).

6) The purpose of Bob Kirkland's people breaking into Jane's locked place at the CBI was to get information about who's RJ for his revenge for his twin brother's death. The broke-in happened after Lorelei's death, so, before Lorelei's death, it was RJ himself figured out who were the suspects and asked Lorelei to tape the video. Bob Kirkland asked the persons "do you recognize me? Have you ever seen me before?" whenever he's going to kill them ... it might have been his routines of interrogating people as he was a Homeland Security agent. One thing not understandable, if Bob Kirkland is keen on knowing who's RJ, he would have asked Jason Lennon instead of killing him directly. It didn't make any sense. Neither Bob's twin brother is RJ, as Jason Lennon didn't recognize him at all.

7) Followed point 6, Is it possible some of RJ's secondary-layer accomplices might have recognize RJ's surrogates (or first-layer accomplices) as RJ himself? So they actually didn't know who's actually RJ? This might have been RJ's plan to mess around such that no one can actually point out who's RJ ... ...

8) I don't think RJ would have a 3 dots marked on his arm, he might have faked the 3 dots to the private detective in Episode 5, or simply the person who contacted and killed that private detective was RJ's surrogate.

9) RJ is not necessarily the leader of the Blake Organization of dirty cops. RJ definitely has connection to these people and take advantage of removing evidence pointing at himself.

10) Patrick himself does not consider Bertram RJ, if so, he wouldn't have announced this to the public. At the time when more than 1 person showed the 3 dots tattoo, PJ also realized that those had that tattoo were not RJ.

11) Patrick built his list of suspect from those people who shook hands with him after his wife and daughter were killed, but RJ might have shaken hands with him before.

12) While we can think that's RJ's plan to kill the suspects one by one so as to turn himself to PJ at the end, but whom PJ shot at in his home in Episode 7 when he had all 5 suspects gathered? I think PJ had picked one of those who did not have the 3 dots tatoo, that was either Haffner or Stile, as Stile is excluded in point 5 above, Haffner was the likely one.

13) As there was no clue about Partridge's involvement in the Blake Organization of dirty cops, he might have faked death.

Finally, I hope Haffner or Partridge is RJ. Or one of them was the surrogate for another in some killings.

Man .... I missed it !!