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    how would they react if the company closed and all the employees lost their jobs? suppose hobby lobby made them all part timers and gave out no benefits? no one forces anyone to work there.

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    White House responds to Hobby Lobby ruling
    Spokesman Josh Earnest said the White House would work with Congress on a legislative response after determining what types of corporations are covered.

    Richard Wolf, USA TODAY 3:28 p.m. EDT June 30, 2014


    WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court put freedom of religion above reproductive freedom Monday in the most closely watched case of its term, ruling that companies cannot be forced to offer insurance coverage for certain birth control methods they equate with abortion.

    The 5-4 decision by the court's conservative majority, over the vehement objections of liberal justices, dealt a blow to President Obama's health care law two years after the court came within one vote of striking it down as unconstitutional. But the ruling was not as sweeping as it could have been for several reasons. It's based on a religious freedom law passed by Congress rather than a broad constitutional right to exercise religion. It applies only to closely-held corporations such as the family-owned companies that challenged the law. And it says women working for those companies should be able to get the disputed contraceptives -- morning-after pills and IUDs -- from other sources, such as the government or private insurers.

    It represented the second consecutive victory at the court for the religious right. Last month, the court upheld the centuries-old tradition of opening government meetings with a prayer, even when nearly all the prayers are Christian.

    With its combination of controversial issues – religion, abortion, contraception, the health care law, business rights and government regulations – the case had emerged as the most controversial of the term that began in October. Groups on both sides of the debate pitting religious freedom against reproductive rights had inundated the court with briefs.

    In the end, the conservatives led by Justice Samuel Alito ruled that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 protects closely held for-profit corporations – those controlled by a limited number of shareholders – from the law's so-called contraception mandate when they cite religious grievances. "A corporation is simply a form of organization used by human beings to achieve desired ends," Alito said. "Protecting the free-exercise rights of corporations like Hobby Lobby, Conestoga and Mardel (a Christian bookstore) protects the religious liberty of the humans who own and control those companies."

    But the court stopped short of a sweeping assertion that corporations can practice religion in the same way individuals can under the First Amendment. The majority limited its decision to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act's promise that laws must not impose an undue burden on religious beliefs. "If the owners comply with the ... mandate, they believe they will be facilitating abortions, and if they do not comply, they will pay a very heavy price – as much as $1.3 million per day, or about $475 million per year, in the case of one of the companies," Alito said. "If these consequences do not amount to a substantial burden, it is hard to see what would."

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    Facts liberals don’t want you to hear: Hobby Lobby actually provides their employees with 16 different types of contraception
    By Joshua Riddle on June 30, 2014

    What’s that? Hobby Lobby actually provides their employees with 16 out of 20 different types of contraception? But that would make Sandra Fluke a liar. It can’t be true!

    Sandra Fluke @SandraFluke

    Supreme Court rules that bosses can deny employees coverage of birth control. #HobbyLobby #NotMyBossBusiness

    9:24 AM - 30 Jun 2014
    From our friend Katie Pavlich at Townhall: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...ption-n1857354

    That claim is completely false. Not to mention, Hobby Lobby itself provides coverage of 16 different types of contraception to its employees.

    The Green family has no moral objection to the use of 16 of 20 preventive contraceptives required in the mandate, and Hobby Lobby will continue its longstanding practice of covering these preventive contraceptives for its employees.However, the Green family cannot provide or pay for four potentially life-threatening drugs and devices. These drugs include Plan B and Ella, the so-called morning-after pill and the week-after pill. Covering these drugs and devices would violate their deeply held religious belief that life begins at the moment of conception, when an egg is fertilized.

    Facts matter, but to the left, emotion on this issue wins.
    So we have determined liberals are liars, but they are also incredibly inconsistent…

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    they also forget how many companies, such as those in pelosi's district, got waivers.....................so if they want to keep calling wolf, then they should expect people to stop listening to them

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    See the movie poster for “Sophie’s Choice” responding to Hobby Lobby
    that has liberals going absolutely insane


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    On Monday, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby and that company's argument for religious freedom. CNN’s Carol Costello wondered if the decision will now allow for “religion to make decisions over science.”

    Joined by a panel of several guests to discuss the coming ruling on CNN Newsroom, host Carol Costello was more concerned with the impact the Supreme Court ruling would have on science rather than constitutionality.

    http://www.mrctv.org/videos/cnn-s-ca...s-over-science

    Costello set up the question by arguing that Hobby Lobby’s fight is against four types of contraception that it believes,

    “... can cause abortion. But science doesn't support that. So if the court rules in Hobby Lobby's favor, isn't it saying that religion can make those decisions over science?”
    Costello’s question went virtually untouched by the panel.

    In addition, MSNBC covered the court ruling and suggested that the case could have a “devastaing effect.” Host Craig Melvin asked MSNBC contributor Irin Carmon if the ruling would "be seen as a complete and utter defeat for women’s reproductive rights or is that an overstatement?” Carmon argued that Melvin was exactly right.

    Carmon pointed out that the plaintiff in the ruling addressed Title X, a government program that provides birth control to low income women as a way to obtain contraception. But Carmon said Title X isn’t enough because “the Republican Party is trying to get rid of Title X and they’re trying to defund Planned Parenthood.” For Carmon, today’s ruling “is an all-out assault on access to contraceptives and other healthcare services.”

    One can assume Costello and Carmon's thoughts on the ruling are the way a majority of the media will view the decision as well. The media will interpret today’s ruling as a loss for women’s reproductive rights and science rather than a win for religious freedom and constitutional rights.

    The two relevant portions are transcribed below:

    CNN - Newsroom with Carol Costello
    June 30, 2014 10:07 a.m. Eastern


    CAROL COSTELLO: The other part, Jonathan that's interesting. Hobby Lobby doesn't object to all contraception, right? Just emergency contraception. Four specific kinds that Hobby Lobby says can cause abortion, in essence, right? But science doesn't support that. So if the court rules in Hobby Lobby's favor, isn't it saying that religion can make those decisions over science?
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    June 30, 2014 10:24 a.m. Eastern


    CRAIG MELVIN: Is this going to be seen as a complete and utter defeat for women's reproductive rights or is that an overstatement?

    IRIN CARMON: I think you're going to see a lot of disappointment. Only because it was restricted to women's health doesn't mean it doesn't create a devastating effect. Millions of women use contraception every day. They don't think their IUD is abortion, because it isn't. Treating women’s healthcare differently is going to resonate. One of the things that the plaintiff said -- the government can give people birth control. There’s a program Title X that gives low income people birth control. They said, why don’t you just do it through that. Guess what? The Republican Party is trying to get rid of Title X, they’re trying to defund Planned Parenthood which provides low cost contraception. The context of this is an all-out assaults on access to contraceptives and other healthcare services.

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    hillary does it again.......................she ignores the fact that hobby lobby covers 16 forms of birth control. the news media also ignores the fact that women in the past did not have birth control costs paid by insurance companies - they paid out of pocket for it. if you look at obamacare with their high deductibles makes women pay out of pocket for birth control especially when their yearly deductible can be between $5000 - $10000 per person. maybe birth control should be over the counter like what has happened to other prescriptions where instead of the medical insurance paying for it, people have to pay out of pocket (ie items such as prevacid, clariton, allegra etc). haven't men always paid out of pocket for bc?

    Hillary bemoans ‘deeply disturbing’ Supreme Court birth control ruling
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...s-birth-contr/

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    Democrats Defy Supreme Court’s Obamacare Ruling!
    Posted on June 30 2014

    On Monday, the Supreme Court dealt a major blow to Obamacare’s birth control mandate in the Hobby Lobby case. Hobby Lobby, an arts and crafts company, sued the government and argued that it was unconstitutional for Obamacare to force a religious business owner to provide abortion coverage to employees under Obamacare. And the Supreme Court agreed with them!

    While the ruling could have been a lot broader, the Court decided that the government couldn’t legally force religious owners of closely-held businesses to provide abortion drugs to their employees. Even though the law requires that this coverage be provided for free, it is unconstitutional to force business owners to violate their religious conscience by providing it.

    The Court ruled that the contraceptive mandate violated the first amendment rights of business owners, except the ruling was limited to just those four drugs that induce abortions.

    But I have a question: Where is YOUR exemption? Why can’t the American people opt-out of the un-Affordable Care Act?

    So far, courts have ruled that religious businesses and organizations can opt-out of the birth control and abortion provisions of the law. Judges realized that it is incredibly stupid to force priests and nuns to pay for abortion/birth control coverage. And now, religious business owners have been given an exemption as well.

    But no sooner had the Supreme Court ruled, Barack Obama and the Democrats had already announced plans to try to circumvent the Court’s decision! Instead of admitting that the law is horribly written and unconstitutional, the Democrats plan to introduce new legislation that forces people to pay for abortion coverage! And if the House of Representatives refuses to vote on Obamacare 2.0, President Obama announced that he plans to circumvent the Supreme Court on his own!

    The Supreme Court exempted religious businesses from Obamacare! Tell Congress that you DEMAND an exemption from Obamacare as well!

    The President of the United States does not have the power to alter or write laws. Whether a law is created by an Act of Congress or a Supreme Court decision, the Executive Branch cannot legally or constitutionally undermine it!

    But that is exactly what Obama and the Democrats are trying to do!

    “If the Supreme Court will not protect women’s access to health care, then Democrats will,” Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) told reporters. “We will continue to fight to preserve women’s access to contraceptive coverage and keep bosses out of the examination room.”

    This statement is absolutely ludicrous! No one is trying to take away a woman’s access to healthcare, and that is not what the Supreme Court did. The only thing that the Court said in its ruling is that it is illegal and unconstitutional for the government to force business owners to pay for abortion/birth control drugs if doing so violates their religious beliefs!

    Women still have access to these drugs, except instead of forcing religious business owners to pay, these women need to pay for their own birth control. That is how it has always been, until the Affordable Care Act mandated free birth control coverage on August 1, 2012.

    But this birth control issue is just the tip of the Obamacare iceberg.

    Do you want to know why your health insurance costs have increased? In addition to adding more sick and elderly people to the insurance pools, the law mandates coverage for birth control, pediatric care, maternity care, and other ridiculous coverage… even if you don’t need it!

    Why should an adult man be forced to pay for abortion inducing drug coverage?

    Why should an elderly couple, well beyond their child-bearing years, be forced to pay for maternity coverage they will never use or need?

    Why should a young adult who lives on his or her own be forced, by law, to pay for pediatric care even if they don’t have any children?

    It just took me one minute, but I listed three ridiculous reasons that contribute to increased healthcare costs under Obamacare! Imagine how much pork and unnecessary policies we could get rid of if we scrapped Obamacare and started over!

    The Supreme Court exempted religious businesses from Obamacare! Tell Congress that you DEMAND an exemption from Obamacare as well!

    Then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi said that Congress needed to pass Obamacare before we could all read it and find out what was in it. And as the Courts have found, there are some incredibly stupid components of the law!

    It is to the point where a convent of nuns had to sue the administration to get an exemption from the birth control/abortion mandate. And do you know what the Obama administration did? Eric Holder’s Justice Department actually argued in court that nuns and priests should be forced to pay for birth control!

    Enough is enough! The court ruled that religious business owners couldn’t legally be forced to violate their conscience. But why should business ownership matter?

    Why should Americans have to start a business in order to have their first amendment rights respected?

    The fact of the matter is that EVERYONE should be exempt from this horrible healthcare law!

    But the Obama administration doesn’t see it this way… They look at the Supreme Court’s religious conscience ruling, and the first thing that the Democrats want to do is to make the healthcare law even worse! And if Congress wont vote on Obamacare 2.0, the President has promised to circumvent the Court on his own with executive orders!

    We need to take a stand! We need to demand that Congress exempt We the People from Obamacare!

    Congress exempted itself…The Courts exempted religious business owners… Where is our exemption?

    I’ll tell you where our exemption is: It hasn’t been written yet because the American people haven’t demanded it yet!
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    Jonah Goldberg: Liberals’ Hobby Lobby Doublethink




    Contrary to a lot of lazy punditry, there is no Obamacare contraception mandate. As my National Review colleague Ramesh Ponnuru notes, even President Obama’s liberal rubber-stamp Congress of 2009–10 never addressed — or even debated — the question of whether companies can be forced to provide contraceptive coverage. Department of Health and Human Services bureaucrats simply asserted that they could impose such a requirement. Indeed, “several pro-life Democrats,” Ponnuru adds, “who provided the law’s narrow margin of victory in the House have said they would have voted against the law had it included the mandate.”

    Moreover, Hobby Lobby never objected to covering birth control per se. It already covers 16 kinds of birth control for its employees. But it objected to paying for what it considers to be abortifacients, which don’t prevent a pregnancy but terminate one. The pro-abortion-rights lobby can argue that “abortion” and “birth control” are synonymous terms, but that doesn’t make it true.

    The Hobby Lobby decision opens the door for closely held companies to deny coverage of all forms of birth control if they can plausibly argue that doing so would violate their conscience. The decision doesn’t apply to large, publicly held corporations, but even if it did, it is unlikely that many companies would go down that path. And even if they did, birth control would not be “banned” – employees simply would have to pay for it themselves. The notion that denying a subsidy for a product is equivalent to banning that product is one of the odder tenets of contemporary liberalism.

    This gets us to why I think the ruling’s majority essentially agreed with the protesters. If I like to dress up as a character from Game of Thrones on weekends, pretending to fight snow zombies and treating my mutt like she’s a mystical direwolf, that’s none of my employer’s business. But if I ask my employer to pay for my trip to a Game of Thrones fan convention, I am asking him to make it his business. If my employer refuses, that may or may not be unfair, but it’s his right. If, in response, I go to the convention and have the government force my employer to pay for my travel, that only makes things worse. It not only makes my private pursuits my boss’s business, it makes them the business of taxpayers and a bunch of bureaucrats in Washington.



    Read the full article at National Review. http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...jonah-goldberg


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    so now i am confused. i thought obamacare insurance had to cover birth control. didn't obama say that birth control had to be included in all policies? isn't this why priests and nuns, people over the age of conception etc are up in arms saying they should not have to pay for birth control?

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