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    Liberal Lies About National Health Care: Second in a Series (Collect All 10!)

    Liberal Lies About National Health Care: Second in a Series (Collect All 10!)
    by Ann Coulter

    08/26/2009

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=33300
    With the Democrats getting slaughtered -- or should I say, "receiving mandatory end-of-life counseling" -- in the debate over national health care, the Obama administration has decided to change the subject by indicting CIA interrogators for talking tough to three of the world's leading Muslim terrorists.

    Had I been asked, I would have advised them against reinforcing the idea that Democrats are hysterical bed-wetters who can't be trusted with national defense while also reminding people of the one thing everyone still admires about President George W. Bush.

    But I guess the Democrats really want to change the subject. Thus, here is Part 2 in our series of liberal lies about national health care.


    (6) There will be no rationing under national health care.

    Anyone who says that is a liar. And all Democrats are saying it. (Hey, look -- I have two-thirds of a syllogism!)

    Apparently, promising to cut costs by having a panel of Washington bureaucrats (for short, "The Death Panel") deny medical treatment wasn't a popular idea with most Americans. So liberals started claiming that they are going to cover an additional 47 million uninsured Americans and cut costs ... without ever denying a single medical treatment!

    Also on the agenda is a delicious all-you-can-eat chocolate cake that will actually help you lose weight! But first, let's go over the specs for my perpetual motion machine -- and it uses no energy, so it's totally green!

    For you newcomers to planet Earth, everything that does not exist in infinite supply is rationed. In a free society, people are allowed to make their own rationing choices.

    Some people get new computers every year; some every five years. Some White House employees get new computers and then vandalize them on the way out the door when their candidate loses. (These are the same people who will be making decisions about your health care.)

    Similarly, one person might say, "I want to live it up and spend freely now! No one lives forever." (That person is a Democrat.) And another might say, "I don't go to restaurants, I don't go to the theater, and I don't buy expensive designer clothes because I've decided to pour all my money into my health."

    Under national health care, you'll have no choice about how to ration your own health care. If your neighbor isn't entitled to a hip replacement, then neither are you. At least that's how the plan was explained to me by our next surgeon general, Dr. Conrad Murray.

    (7) National health care will reduce costs.

    This claim comes from the same government that gave us the $500 hammer, the $1,200 toilet seat and postage stamps that increase in price every three weeks.

    The last time liberals decided an industry was so important that the government needed to step in and contain costs was when they set their sights on the oil industry. Liberals in both the U.S. and Canada -- presidents Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter and Canadian P.M. Pierre Trudeau -- imposed price controls on oil.

    As night leads to day, price controls led to reduced oil production, which led to oil shortages, skyrocketing prices for gasoline, rationing schemes and long angry lines at gas stations.

    You may recall this era as "the Carter years."

    Then, the white knight Ronald Reagan became president and immediately deregulated oil prices. The magic of the free market -- aka the "profit motive" -- produced surges in oil exploration and development, causing prices to plummet. Prices collapsed and remained low for the next 20 years, helping to fuel the greatest economic expansion in our nation's history.

    You may recall this era as "the Reagan years."

    Freedom not only allows you to make your own rationing choices, but also produces vastly more products and services at cheap prices, so less rationing is necessary.

    (8) National health care won't cover abortions.

    There are three certainties in life: (a) death, (b) taxes, and (C) no health care bill supported by Nita Lowey and Rosa DeLauro and signed by Barack Obama could possibly fail to cover abortions.

    I don't think that requires elaboration, but here it is:

    Despite being a thousand pages long, the health care bills passing through Congress are strikingly nonspecific. (Also, in a thousand pages, Democrats weren't able to squeeze in one paragraph on tort reform. Perhaps they were trying to save paper.)

    These are Trojan Horse bills. Of course, they don't include the words "abortion," "death panels" or "three-year waits for hip-replacement surgery."

    That proves nothing -- the bills set up unaccountable, unelected federal commissions to fill in the horrible details. Notably, the Democrats rejected an amendment to the bill that would specifically deny coverage for abortions.

    After the bill is passed, the Federal Health Commission will find that abortion is covered, pro-lifers will sue, and a court will say it's within the regulatory authority of the health commission to require coverage for abortions.

    Then we'll watch a parade of senators and congressmen indignantly announcing, "Well, I'm pro-life, and if I had had any idea this bill would cover abortions, I never would have voted for it!"

    No wonder Democrats want to remind us that they can't be trusted with foreign policy. They want us to forget that they can't be trusted with domestic policy.
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    Why are the lies believed?

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/213625?from=rss

    Some people form and cling to false beliefs about health-care reform (or Obama's citizenship) despite overwhelming evidence thanks to a mental phenomenon called motivated reasoning, says sociologist Steven Hoffman, visiting assistant professor at the University at Buffalo. "Rather than search rationally for information that either confirms or disconfirms a particular belief," he says, "people actually seek out information that confirms what they already believe." And God knows, in the Internet age there is no dearth of sources to confirm even the most ludicrous claims (my favorite being that the moon landings were faked). "For the most part," says Hoffman, "people completely ignore contrary information" and are able to "develop elaborate rationalizations based on faulty information

    For an explanation of this behavior, look no further than the psychological theory of cognitive dissonance. This theory holds that when people are presented with information that contradicts preexisting beliefs, they try to relieve the cognitive tension one way or another. They process and respond to information defensively, for instance: their belief challenged by fact, they ignore the latter. They also accept and seek out confirming information but ignore, discredit the source of, or argue against contrary information, studies have shown.

    Which brings us back to health-care reform—in particular, the apoplexy at town-hall meetings and the effectiveness of the lies being spread about health-care reform proposals. First of all, let's remember that 59,934,814 voters cast their ballot for John McCain, so we can assume that tens of millions of Americans believe the wrong guy is in the White House. To justify that belief, they need to find evidence that he's leading the country astray. What better evidence of that than to seize on the misinformation about Obama's health-care reform ideas and believe that he wants to insure illegal aliens, for example, and give the Feds electronic access to doctors' bank accounts?

    Obama's opponents also need to find evidence that their reading of him back in November was correct. They therefore seize on "confirmation" that he wants to, for instance, redistribute the wealth, as in his “spread the wealth around” remark to Joe the Plumber—finding such confirmation in the claims that health-care reform will do just that, redistributing health care from those who have it now to the 46 million currently uninsured. Similarly, they seize on anything that confirms the “socialist” label that got pinned on Obama during the campaign, or the pro-abortion label—anything to comfort themselves that they made the right choice last November.

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    Doesn't matter Bahet, for some it's much easier to believe flaming lunatics than the truth.

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    LOL y'all are hilarious

    How do YOU know they are lies, How do you not know it's the truth? How do we know anything?

    Sheesh....

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    There's too many people concerned about the healthcare plan for there not to be a reason. Even the Democrats that support Obama have concerns. Its not just a bunch of irrational people making things up like Obama and others want to believe. If that many people have concerns maybe Obama should spend more time trying to make his healthcare program easier to understand instead of trying to discredit the people that have concerns. That would go a lot further in getting his healthcare program approved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hesnothere View Post
    Doesn't matter Bahet, for some it's much easier to believe flaming lunatics than the truth.
    Or to even try and search out the truth.

    And they tried saying we were the ones drinking down the kool-aid.

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    I think some of you just like to take jabs at people instead of seeing there are legitmate problems with his healthcare program. Its all over the news how people have concerns even democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeby4me View Post
    Or to even try and search out the truth.

    And they tried saying we were the ones drinking down the kool-aid.

    The thing is, there HAS been research. Have you done your own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    There's too many people concerned about the healthcare plan for there not to be a reason. Even the Democrats that support Obama have concerns. Its not just a bunch of irrational people making things up like Obama and others want to believe. If that many people have concerns maybe Obama should spend more time trying to make his healthcare program easier to understand instead of trying to discredit the people that have concerns. That would go a lot further in getting his healthcare program approved.
    Rational concerns, absolutely. But this:

    Seniors and the disabled "will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care."
    Page 992 of the health care bill will "establish school-based 'health' clinics. Your children will be indoctrinated and your grandchildren may be aborted!"
    "All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services."
    In the health care bill, "The 'Health Choices Commissioner' will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None."
    John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."
    The health care reform bill "would make it mandatory — absolutely require — that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner."
    The health care reform bill -- on Page 16 -- outlaws private insurance.
    All lies.

    http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/

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    Oh I absolutely have concerns about his health care plan. They don't include worrying that there are going to be some sort of death squad running around killing old people though. My concerns are based on fact and reality, not email forwards and talking heads who think if they shout their lies loud enough they will become fact. I also know the difference between lies and truth. If someone is confused or hasn't done the research for themselves (looking up what Ann Coulter spews about something is not research) then perhaps they should. If you think it's hilarious and question anyone knowing any facts, then why not post that the OP was also hilarious and ask if she really knows what the truth is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by galeane29 View Post
    The thing is, there HAS been research. Have you done your own?
    Sorry, I don't trust the Becks, Coulters, Malkins, Hannitys, Maddows, and Oldermans who have their own agendas. Yep, I've done my OWN research, have you?

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