Cmmon sense about Abortion that ALL should agree on.

[DtroitPunk]

Even if you seperate any religiouos morality from this issue, you still have some undeniable facts.

1. We all have a choice whether to engage in sexual activity outside of marriage or not.

2. If we do decide to, we have more readily available contraceptive choices available in America than anywhere else.

3. If you chose to have unmarried unprotected sex, you show no respect for yourself or your partner. Hasnt anyone heard of STD's and AIDS?

4. If someone chooses to have unwed, unprotected sex and they get pregnant, they have already shown INCREDIBLY poor decision making. Why should they then be allowed to compound bad choices with another bad choice to kill an infant.

I personally just dont understand how ANYONE can justify this type of thinking. I understand that some people will bring up incest and rape etc as a defense of a womans right to Abortion, but come on. How many of the over 1 MILLION abortions each year do we really believe are due to those causes? In 2004-2005 there were 200,780 rapes ATTEMPTED RAPES and general sexual assaults. So lets say GENEROUSLY that 100,000 Women were raped... AND all 100,000 ACTUALLY did get pregnant which is IMPOSSIBLE. Still less than a 10th of all abortions would be being performed due to pregnancy from rape. Probably closer to 3%. Think about it.

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[cSoReNSoN]

My body, my choice....

[DtroitPunk]

I understand the words, but you have LOTS of choices. Killing an unwanted baby when you know how to prevent pregnancy should NEVER be a choice.
This is whats wrong with all of America no one wants to own responsibility for their own actions and choices.

[Jolie Rouge]

Follow the money .....

The abortion industry is making money in the BILLIONS ( mostly cash ) ... and yet they are rarely held accountable. We had to move mountain in LA to get health inspections mandated for abortion clinics - the "Pro Choice" Lobbists went all out to block any attempts ... if they are so concerned about womens rights and womens health issues they should have been right on board ... but it is all about the profits. Prior to these passages Health Inspections were required at your vets office, your manicurists and your hairstylists ... but not at a clinic where they are doing invasive surgical procedures on women.

Follow the money ....

[DtroitPunk]

Yup, and as I pointed out in another thread why is it that NOONE is calling for abortion for animals? There are way too many unwanted pets in the world! People like the ASPCA would have a conniption, while many of the same people would go to their deaths screaming Abortion on demand for Women. We care more for the lives of animals in this nation than unwanted babies.

Or what about people who say convicted rapists and murderers shouldnt get the death penalty, but any woman who wants one should be able to get an abortion?

So we cry for the rights of the guilty and KILL the innocent. And people wonder why America is failing. It is a general spiritual and MORAL malaise. I realize that SOME people dont believe in God but everyone should believe in decency, responsibility and accountability.

[Shann]

why is there another thread about abortion? it's obvious you want everyone to agree on your views and it's just not going to happen. I agree with cSoReNSoN it's my body my choice. I don't want anyone telling me what I should and shouldn't do and I don't see how making another thread is going to change that for me or anyone else. People make mistakes or mistakes happen and for some having a child at that particular time might not be a good idea. Would you rather have a child born into a family that doesn't want it? One that abuses an innocent child that they cannot afford? I know several people who were on birth control or used condoms and became pregnant... neither one of those are 100% effective.

[Katt]

Yup, and as I pointed out in another thread why is it that NOONE is calling for abortion for animals? There are way too many unwanted pets in the world! People like the ASPCA would have a conniption,.

They do perform abortions on animals, just a heads up. The ASPCA certified shelter where I got my dog from, will perform them, and if you adopt, you HAVE to get your dog fixed. If they are pregnant at the time, they are taken care of, then fixed, then sent home with you.

Just a question though, since you preach about prevention of unwanted pregnancy's and that fact that many know how to prevent them; most birth control pills (actually the majority of BC pills), will wait until an egg is inplanted (which is when most pro-life people say life starts) and then cause a spontaneous abortion. Is this okay? Is it not the same thing? Isn't an abortion, and abortion, whether you choose to not use BC and have one, or use BC and it causes it for you?

[Bubblescc]

why is there another thread about abortion? it's obvious you want everyone to agree on your views and it's just not going to happen. I agree with cSoReNSoN it's my body my choice. I don't want anyone telling me what I should and shouldn't do and I don't see how making another thread is going to change that for me or anyone else. People make mistakes or mistakes happen and for some having a child at that particular time might not be a good idea. Would you rather have a child born into a family that doesn't want it? One that abuses an innocent child that they cannot afford? I know several people who were on birth control or used condoms and became pregnant... neither one of those are 100% effective.

I believe its because mine was closed.......this is the only response to your post Shann the rest is my opinion....

I am not here to argue with anyone, so dont anyone take anything I say other then my opinion.

While there are people that are on BC or use condoms they do realize that those are not 100% effective.

I posted the thread about Dr. Tiller because I find this discusting...giving abortions late term because of a woman not being able to attend a concert etc...I thought most would agree to that.....

The woman chose to sleep with someone, thats the choice she made, she knew she could become pregnant.....of course I am not speaking of a woman raped....

I dont believe that alot of woman would have abortions if they knew exactly what was being done to them and the life inside them. Most woman that are prochoice would not ever sit and look at the photos and read what really happens so its easier to say its my body its my choice.

this part is for Katt, I tried to google info about the abortions on pets and I didnt have any luck, could you please give me a link or where you found the info so I can inform myself of this...I had no idea....thanks in advance, I will continue to research just in case you cant find it...Google is sometimes tricky its all about how you word somethng,lol I pulled up an article from 1996....

[Katt]

It's personal experience Bubbles. I adopted my Lab from a rescue shelter. I got her home, she was scheduled to be fixed in two months. She began getting big...I took her in, they said yes, she's pregnant. I said what about the puppies? They said when you adopt and sign the papers that you agree to have your dog fixed, the puppies are aborted and the dog is fixed. They can't fix them while they are pregnant, so I guess it's just assumed a person will know they are aborted (I had no idea she was pregnant when I adopted her so this was NOT a good suprise for me). I actually bawled lol, felt horrible, but I knew I couldn't afford a bunch of puppies, which is why I was going to have her fixed in the first place.

The only thing I find online is mostly religious and radical sites that compare animal rights and pro-choice stuff. I'm not getting into all that.

I bet if you called a shelter that performed spaying on the pets (like rescue shelters that require you to fix the animals you adopt), and asked them what if the pet was pregnant, they would let you know if they too performed them.

[Bubblescc]

It's personal experience Bubbles. I adopted my Lab from a rescue shelter. I got her home, she was scheduled to be fixed in two months. She began getting big...I took her in, they said yes, she's pregnant. I said what about the puppies? They said when you adopt and sign the papers that you agree to have your dog fixed, the puppies are aborted and the dog is fixed. They can't fix them while they are pregnant, so I guess it's just assumed a person will know they are aborted (I had no idea she was pregnant when I adopted her so this was NOT a good suprise for me). I actually bawled lol, felt horrible, but I knew I couldn't afford a bunch of puppies, which is why I was going to have her fixed in the first place.

The only thing I find online is mostly religious and radical sites that compare animal rights and pro-choice stuff. I'm not getting into all that.

I bet if you called a shelter that performed spaying on the pets (like rescue shelters that require you to fix the animals you adopt), and asked them what if the pet was pregnant, they would let you know if they too performed them.

Sorry Katt I completely misread your post, I thought you were saying you could just bring your pet in whenever it was pregnant and get an abortion,lol
I dont doubt that they would in the instance your referring too...
thanks for the info and sorry about not reading your post completely, it was one of those duh moments... lol

[Willow]

This may sound kind of strange but it's something I was wondering about. Is a fetus not considered a life until it's actually been born and living outside of the mother's womb?