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    Quote Originally Posted by janelle View Post
    The following is from Insurance companies ONLY in cases paid out. This does NOT include cases churches have not reported to their insurance companies. These reports related to complaints of child sex abuse by Protestant clergy in the United States were released by the insurance companies to The Associated Press (2007 report).
    * Protestant clients: 96,000
    * Top churches insured: United Methodist -- 10,000 churches; Southern Baptist -- 9,600; Assemblies of God -- 4,000; Evangelical Lutheran Church in America -- 3,300
    * Complaints: average of 100 each year for the past decade
    * Claims paid: declined to release because company deems figure proprietary information
    * Protestant clients: 45,000
    * Top churches insured: Baptist -- 10,922 churches;
    Presbyterian --2,812; Lutheran -- 2,665; United Methodist -- 1,742
    * Complaints: average of 160 each year for the past two decades
    * Claims paid: about $4 million each year for the past five years for child sex abuse and sexual misconduct settlements, excluding attorney fees
    * Protestant clients: 30,000
    * Top churches insured: Southern Baptists -- 4,000 churches; Assemblies of God -- 2,300; United Methodist and Baptist -- 2,000 each
    * Complaints: average of 73 of both child sex abuse and other sexual misconduct each year for the past 15 years
    * Claims paid: about $7.8 million for sexual misconduct and child sex abuse in the past 15 years.
    Source: www.stopbaptistpredators.org

    Now lets look at statistics comparing the abuse problem between the Catholic Church and Protestant churches. The reports show that LESS than 1.7 Catholic priests are pedophiles while 2 to 3 percent of Protestant (and often married) ministers are pedophiles.
    "Penn State professor Philip Jenkens reported that between 2 to 3 percent of Protestant clergy are pedophiles. His same study reported that less than 1.7 percent of Catholic priests are pedophiles. There is simply no reason to think that clergy child molesters are solely a Catholic problem." - source-Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests (New York: Oxford University Press), pp. 50 and 81.
    So the Catholics don't report it to their insurance companies as I they aren't listed...hmmmm.
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    When they allow gays to marry in their churches then they should be allowed to..
    Eff them until then..
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeMary View Post
    So the Catholics don't report it to their insurance companies as I they aren't listed...hmmmm.
    I'm sure they do. The numbers will be in the sites though.

    Pedophiles won't stop just because they are married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElleGee View Post
    When they allow gays to marry in their churches then they should be allowed to..
    Eff them until then..
    IMO, that may be one of many reasons the church has the celibacy vow. Telling homosexuals to remain celibate would not be taken as well coming from one who is married. Coming from a celibate priest, it means more.

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    UPDATE: on the priest the article was about...

    Florida's 'Father Oprah' joins Episcopal Church
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090529/...JpZGFzZmF0aA--
    MIAMI – A popular priest known as "Father Oprah" said it wasn't an easy decision to sever ties with the Roman Catholic Church amid a scandal over tabloid photos of him kissing and hugging the woman he loves.

    The Rev. Alberto Cutie (pronounced koo-tee-'AY), who was removed from his Miami Beach parish after the beach photos surfaced, stood at the pulpit of Trinity Cathedral Thursday, his girlfriend right behind him, to face the media about his choice to join the Episcopal Church, which allows its priests to marry.

    He said his decision to switch was made over time, not since the uproar over the photos of him smooching his girlfriend, which appeared in a Spanish-language magazine earlier the month. The images rocked South Florida's Spanish-speaking community, where he was widely known for his leading-man good looks and as the host of a TV show on relationships.

    "I have searched my soul and sought God's guidance for a long time," he said.

    He did not talk about his relationship with the woman, who has been identified in local media as 35-year-old Ruhama Buni Canellis, or if he has plans to marry her. He did say in a statement that he "began to have spiritual and deep ideological struggles" and "has seen the ways that many of my brothers serve God as married men, with the blessing of forming a family."

    Cutie was scheduled to deliver a sermon Sunday at his new church, but must complete other requirements before serving as an Episcopal priest.

    He said his struggle "should in no way tarnish the commitment of so many brother priests who are celibate and faithful to their promise."

    That struggle was news to Archbishop John Favalora, who said he met with Cutie on May 5, after the photos were published, and that the priest didn't indicate he was wrestling with such thoughts. In a statement, he admonished the 40-year-old Cutie and Episcopal leaders in Miami.

    "He has never told me that he was considering joining the Episcopal Church," Favalora said. "(The Episcopal Bishop) has never spoken to me about his position on this delicate matter or what actions he was contemplating. This truly is a serious setback for ecumenical relations and cooperation between us."

    Added Favalora: "It's unsettling to the faith, that's why it's a scandal. But the church has been through scandals before — the church will survive."

    Cutie headed the archdiocese's Radio Paz and Radio Peace broadcasts, heard throughout the Americas and in Spain, and earned the nickname "Father Oprah" for his relationship advice. Since the scandal broke, bloggers have commented on his "dreamy" blue eyes.

    The Cuban-American priest was born in Puerto Rico and previously hosted shows on Telemundo, the second-largest Spanish-language network in the U.S. and the Western Hemisphere. He is also a syndicated Spanish-language columnist and author of the book "Real Life, Real Love: 7 Paths to a Strong, Lasting Relationship."

    Earlier this month, Cutie told CBS he has been romantically involved with the woman in the photos for about two years after being friends for much longer.

    "I believe that I've fallen in love and I believe that I've struggled with that, between my love for God, and my love for the church and my love for service," Cutie said. Cutie maintains that he supports the Catholic Church's stand that priests should be celibate and does not want to become the "anti-celibacy priest."
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    Well that is for the best IMO. Now they can get married.

    Personally, I would not want to be married to a priest. Some minister's wives will tell you they rarely see their husbands. It's a demanding profession and a Catholic priest has little time for a family with all he has to do. A minister will have a small congregation compared to a priest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janelle View Post
    Well that is for the best IMO. Now they can get married.

    Personally, I would not want to be married to a priest. Some minister's wives will tell you they rarely see their husbands. It's a demanding profession and a Catholic priest has little time for a family with all he has to do. A minister will have a small congregation compared to a priest.
    The bolded,why do you say that?You know I agree with you sometimes so I am not starting trouble.I am just curious why you assume priests are busier than ministers.Are you catholic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovecats View Post
    The bolded,why do you say that?You know I agree with you sometimes so I am not starting trouble.I am just curious why you assume priests are busier than ministers.Are you catholic?
    Yes she is Catholic. I don't know if it is fair to say one is busier then the other. They are all trying to get souls into Heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovecats View Post
    The bolded,why do you say that?You know I agree with you sometimes so I am not starting trouble.I am just curious why you assume priests are busier than ministers.Are you catholic?
    I know our priests have a lot of territory to cover and large parishes. Since there is a shortage of priests and they HAVE to cover what the bishop gives them, they are very busy.

    Ministers usually have only one congregation and it may be small.

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    The Vatican fired a priest Saturday after he came out as gay and revealed he has a boyfriend on the eve of an important meeting of the world's bishops to discuss church teachings on family life, a topic that encompasses divorce, homosexuality and cohabitation.

    Considered a high-ranking Vatican official, Monsignor Krzysztof Charamsa, 43, lived in Rome for the last 17 years and worked at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith since 2003.

    In several interviews, Charamsa said he was happy and proud to be a gay priest, and was in love with a man whom he identified as his boyfriend, according to the Associated Press. He said he wanted to challenge the church's "backwards" attitude to homosexuality, the BBC reported. "It's time the church opened its eyes and realized that offering gay believers total abstinence from a life of love is inhuman," he said, according to the network.

    Charamsa also said he knew he would have to give up his ministry but felt he had a duty toward sexual minorities to come out, BBC reported.

    The Vatican reacted quickly by firing him and criticizing the timing of his revelations. On Sunday, Pope Francis formally opens the global meeting, known as a synod, where some 270 bishops from around the world will discuss church doctrine. "The decision to make such a pointed statement on the eve of the opening of the synod appears very serious and irresponsible, since it aims to subject the synod assembly to undue media pressure," Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said in a statement.

    Charamsa can no longer work at the Vatican or its pontifical universities, Lombardi said. However, Charamsa remains a priest though Lombardi said further actions could follow.

    In the 1960s, following the reforms of the historic Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), Pope Paul VI established a synod system so that bishops from around the world could meet every few years and continue to foster a more collegial, collaborative and horizontal form of church governance.

    It was designed to reduce the centralization of power in the Roman Curia, the papal bureaucracy, and allow input from bishops with pastoral experiences from different countries. The status of gay Catholics is among the most fiercely debated.

    Charamsa held a press conference in central Rome after the Vatican's actions. He was joined by his companion, identified only as Eduard. Charamsa told reporters that the timing of his disclosure was not related to the bishops meeting on the family, but said he hoped it might add "a Christian voice" to the meeting, AP reported.

    "I came out," Charamsa said. "This is a very personal, difficult and tough decision in the Catholic church's homophobic world."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ting/73278004/

    IMHO : the Church would have had the same reaction had he "come out" that he had a long time girlfriend. He clearly broke his vow o celibacy and chastity.
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    Tactless Williams, Matthews Knock Catholic Dogma During Papal Mass
    By Matthew Balan | September 28, 2015


    Brian Williams and Chris Matthews couldn't resist the opportunity to harp on the lack of married and women priests in the Catholic Church, as MSNBC provided live coverage of Pope Francis's open-air Mass in Philadelphia on Sunday.

    Williams pointed out that one of the archbishops at the Mass is
    "from a family, [but] he cannot go home to one. He cannot have one, and be...of service to the Catholic Church. And it is still that thing that differentiates and separates the religion from so many others."
    Matthews asserted that
    "if you're going to have ever women priests, you have to have the first step being married priests – because only in the case where you have wives...lobbying on behalf of women priests will it ever happen."
    Moments later, Bishop Robert Barron of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, a NBC News contributor for the papal visit, actually schooled the two MSNBC personalities on how their premise was faulty:

    BISHOP ROBERT BARRON, NBC NEWS PAPAL CONTRIBUTOR: As the celibate up here, I guess, Brian, I would say, to use a Scholastic term, 'nego majorem' – I deny your major premise – the major premise of the question – namely, that a celibate is without a family. You see this ring I'm wearing. I just got this when I became a bishop – and it's a wedding ring. And we're explicitly told, never take this ring off, because it's a sign the bishop is married to the people that he serves. It's a family relationship. And so, celibacy is not anti-family. It's a, kind of, different type of spiritual family. And a priest is very much of – a family man. Cardinal [Francis] George, a mentor of me, used to say that a priest is not a bachelor. He's a married man with children.
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/matt....xBk4sACY.dpuf
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