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    Shroud of Turin

    I watched a show last night on the Shroud of Turin and was wondering what peoples thoughts are on it. Is it real or fake?? Was it "replaced" with a duplicate? What about the idea that Jesus may have been alive when taken off the cross and put in the tomb to be healed, that he may have lived a long healthful life. I would like some opinions!

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    I believe that scientific methods actually dated the shroud to be several hundred years after the time of Jesus - I'm pretty sure I read that. While I think it is an important artifact, I am not convinced it was Jesus' burial shroud, and I do not believe that he was "healed" of his crucifixion and led a long life.

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    I also believe that while it's an important artifact, it's not the shroud of Jesus.

    Also, for those who believe it is, that would mean that Jesus didn't die on the cross, like was prophesized. Then he wouldn't be the messiah.
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    How on earth can you really whose shroud it was?
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    The historicity of this item has been called into question TOOOO many times. It is in my opinion a total fake designed to make someone in antiquity some loot.

    As to the other claims, Jesus died on the cross just as recorded in the Bible.

    IF this were not so the core of Jesus's believers would have known it, and the whole point of the Christian faith would be a sham. Many of the apostles and others who followed Jesus ended up suffering great persecutions (prison time, beatings and crucifixion as well) why on earth would they do that if Jesus was laid up somewhere with a wife and kids?

    These sorts of attacks have been popping up OVER an OVER just to undermine belief in Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissanceman View Post
    The historicity of this item has been called into question TOOOO many times. It is in my opinion a total fake designed to make someone in antiquity some loot.

    As to the other claims, Jesus died on the cross just as recorded in the Bible.

    IF this were not so the core of Jesus's believers would have known it, and the whole point of the Christian faith would be a sham. Many of the apostles and others who followed Jesus ended up suffering great persecutions (prison time, beatings and crucifixion as well) why on earth would they do that if Jesus was laid up somewhere with a wife and kids?

    These sorts of attacks have been popping up OVER an OVER just to undermine belief in Christ.

    This time I agree with renaissanceman. How anyone could survive a crucifixion is beyond me. Did you watch "The Passion of Christ"? First a scourging than carrying his cross until He had no more strength and being nailed to it to die. Then to make sure he was dead a soldier thrust a lance into His side.

    WOW, if anyone could have survived that then he would have been in a terrible way which no doctor could have cured. That one is a bigger wacko theory than the Da Vinvi Code. Roll eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janelle View Post
    This time I agree with renaissanceman. How anyone could survive a crucifixion is beyond me. Did you watch "The Passion of Christ"? First a scourging than carrying his cross until He had no more strength and being nailed to it to die. Then to make sure he was dead a soldier thrust a lance into His side.

    WOW, if anyone could have survived that then he would have been in a terrible way which no doctor could have cured. That one is a bigger wacko theory than the Da Vinvi Code. Roll eyes.

    Actually there is evidence/proof that people were known to live after being on the cross for 5 days! Yes, 5 days. He was on there for 3 hours. As far as the lance in his side, they say it "trickled" blood.
    As far as "surviving that" many many people survived much worse. I understand the anger about it though, if something like this is true it would mean the entire basis of the faith is false.

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    I don't know about those but where they scourged first? And if anyone lived would they go on the have a healthy life? Not likely, it wasn't Hollywood when anything is possible through computers and actors walk away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeby4me View Post
    Actually there is evidence/proof that people were known to live after being on the cross for 5 days! Yes, 5 days. He was on there for 3 hours. As far as the lance in his side, they say it "trickled" blood.
    As far as "surviving that" many many people survived much worse. I understand the anger about it though, if something like this is true it would mean the entire basis of the faith is false.
    Very true! However, the evidence given in the biblical account has been evaluated several times by M.D.'s and they agree that most likely Jesus WAS dead before he wsa taken off the cross. Then youhave the fact that the Jewish authorities hated Jesus and KNEW that he had prophesied his own return.

    They would make sure that he REALLY was dead before releasing his body to his followers. Then you have the body disappearing from a tomb which was guarded by Roman Centurions. Then you have MULTIPLE witnesses seeing Jesus in apparent good health and spirits just 3 days after the horrible injustices his body would have suffered.

    I recommend that everyone read The Case For Christ by Lee Strobel. It has some of the biggest questions that non believers raise about Christ being addressed by many different experts in diffferent fields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissanceman View Post
    Very true! However, the evidence given in the biblical account has been evaluated several times by M.D.'s and they agree that most likely Jesus WAS dead before he wsa taken off the cross. Then youhave the fact that the Jewish authorities hated Jesus and KNEW that he had prophesied his own return.

    They would make sure that he REALLY was dead before releasing his body to his followers. Then you have the body disappearing from a tomb which was guarded by Roman Centurions. Then you have MULTIPLE witnesses seeing Jesus in apparent good health and spirits just 3 days after the horrible injustices his body would have suffered.

    I recommend that everyone read The Case For Christ by Lee Strobel. It has some of the biggest questions that non believers raise about Christ being addressed by many different experts in diffferent fields.
    All of these I see as questions though. As for the book, Im not sure I really want to read it as its a "Retracing his own spiritual journey from atheism to faith" I understand the WANT to read a book by someone who's now found faith but I prefer something slightly less biased. I know I know, try finding someone whos not biased on some extent but I like finding questions and answers all around. I dunno, dont ask.

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