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935 False Statements preceded war
NO SHOCK.. but I love hypocrisy ~~~
Its OK to lie to go to war & risk thousands of lives, but GOD FORBID you lie about getting a blow job.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/...ormation_study
WASHINGTON - A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks.
The study concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."
The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism.
White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not comment on the merits of the study Tuesday night but reiterated the administration's position that the world community viewed Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein, as a threat.
"The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world," Stanzel said.
The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both.
"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida," according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. "In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."
Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan.
Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida.
The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews.
"The cumulative effect of these false statements — amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts — was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war," the study concluded.
"Some journalists — indeed, even some entire news organizations — have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq," it saidRudeness is the weak person's imitation of strength.
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01-23-2008, 08:53 AM #2
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And why is this jackass bullet-proof? Why cant he be held responsible for this shit?
He LIES and it costs thousands of American lives and an untold number of Iraqi lives and what? nothing can be done? Bull shit. He should be charged with all their lives.
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Originally Posted by dv8grl
The Dems seem to have a lot to go around ....
Wednesday, Nov. 23, 2005 1:20 p.m. EST
Democrats Speak Out on WMD
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...3/133706.shtml
Perhaps Senator Harry Reid (D-Nev.) should have done some research before charging the Bush administration with "manufacturing” and "manipulating” pre-war intelligence relating to Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction programs.
In particular, Reid should have researched statements made by several prominent members of his own Democratic Party.
Republicans have circulated numerous pre-war Democratic statements on weapons of mass destruction since Reid blurred the line between the claims of the Democratic Party and the slanders of Michael Moore. Reid on Nov. 1 invoked Rule 21, accusing the Bush administration of purposely misleading the public in the run-up to the Iraq war.
Bottom Line: If the Bush administration was lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, then so too were many leading Democrats.
The following is a list of statements made by prominent Democrats on Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction program:
Originally Posted by Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.)
Originally Posted by Senator Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.)
Originally Posted by Senator Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.)
Originally Posted by Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
Originally Posted by Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.)
Originally Posted by Senator Chris Dodd (D-Conn.)
Originally Posted by President Bill Clinton
Originally Posted by President Bill Clinton
Originally Posted by President Bill Clinton
Originally Posted by Vice President Al Gore
Originally Posted by Vice President Al Gore
Originally Posted by Vice President Al Gore
Originally Posted by Secretary Of State Madelyn Albright
Originally Posted by Secretary Of State Madelyn Albright
Originally Posted by Defense Secretary William Cohen
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01-23-2008, 01:11 PM #5
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The right side of the blogosphere is all over the clueless media coverage of a new “study” and database compiled by “two nonprofit journalism organizations” that purports to show that BUSH LIED to entice American into Iraq. You would think by now that the MSM would try to spare itself some embarrassment and at least do a cursory Google search before casting the researchers as neutral, reliable, disinterested parties. But noooo. They dutifully published these transparent moonbat briefs for impeachment without disclosing the “nonprofit journalism organizations’” ties to BDS sugar daddy George Soros.
Big Lizards rips into the MSM omissions: http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/..._lie_abou.html
Here are a couple of inconvenient truths the AP story neglects to tell us:
* “A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations…”
The Fund for Independence in Journalism says its “primary purpose is providing legal defense and endowment support for the largest nonprofit, investigative reporting institution in the world, the Center for Public Integrity, and possibly other, similar groups.” Eight of the eleven members of the Fund’s board of directors are either on the BoD of the Center for Public Integrity, or else are on the Center’s Advisory Board. Thus these “two” organizations are actually joined at the hip.
* “Fund for Independence in Journalism…”
The Center is heavily funded by George Soros. It has also received funding from Bill Moyers, though some of that money might have actually been from Soros, laundered through Moyers via the Open Society Foundation.
Other funders include the Streisand Foundation, the Ford Foundation, the Pew Charitable Trusts (used to be conservative, but in 1987 they veered sharply to the left, and are now a dyed-in-the-wool “progressive” funder), the Los Angeles Times Foundation, and so forth. The Center is a far-left organization funded by far-left millionaires, billionaires, and trusts…
…I’m certain it’s sheer coincidence that this nonsense was spewed across the news sockets during the peak of the election primary season… and right before the primary in Florida, of all states. Had anyone at AP or the Times realized how this might affect the election, I know their independent journalistic integrity would have suggested they hold this non-time-constrained story until afterwards. Say, they could even have used the time to consider whether “Iraq and al-Qaeda had a relationship” and “the relationship didn’t amount to direct cooperation” contradict each other.
A less charitable person than I might imagine this “database” was nothing but a mechanical tool to allow good liberals easier access to a tasty “two-minutes hate.”
But realizing that the elite media has only our best interests at heart, my only possible conclusion is that, despite the multiple layers of editorial input that must occur at these venues, several important facts just slipped through the cracks:
* The fact that the Center for Public Integrity is a Left-funded, leftist, activist organization with a serious hatchet to grind with the Bush administration;
* The fact that the Fund for Independence in Journalism is neither independent, nor is it engaged in journalism (it’s a front group of mostly the same people whose purpose is to shield the Center from lawsuits);
* And the fact that the vast majority of the supposed “false statements” are in fact simply positions with which liberals disagree, or else statements widely accepted at the time that later investigation (after deposing Saddam Hussein) showed to be inaccurate.
I must assume that these self-evident facts must simply have been honestly missed by the gimlet-eyed reporters and editors at AP and the NYT.
Ed Morrissey roasts the MSM’s recycling of the Soros-sponsored website’s old, not-news: http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/...ves/016723.php
…there is nothing new in this site that hasn’t already been picked apart by the blogosphere, and some of it discredited. It includes the debunked charge that Bush lied in the “sixteen words” of the 2003 State of the Union address. Joe Wilson’s own report to the CIA and to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence confirmed that, at least according to Niger’s Prime Minister, Iraq had sought to trade for uranium in 1999. The CPI site has the sixteen words posted as one of their false statements.
Let’s boil this down. An organization funded by known political activists puts up a website with shopworn quotes taken mostly out of context and misrepresented — and this somehow qualifies as news?
Hey, AP. I’ll be posting a couple of essays today. I’ll be sure to look for your breathless report on the wires later this afternoon.
Gabriel Schoenfeld at Commentary turns the tables on the “Center for Public Integrity” and the NYT: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/bl...choenfeld/2017
After delving into the database and reading the Center’s analysis, the question arises: did the Bush administration “methodically” lie to the public? The Center’s own answer is yes, and the same answer is the impression left by the news pages of the New York Times. Indeed, the paper reports that what the database exposes is akin to the worst political scandal of the American presidency: “Muckrakers may find browsing the site reminiscent of what Richard M. Nixon used to dismissively call ‘wallowing in Watergate.’”
Toward the end of its story, the Times notes that “officials have defended many of their prewar statements as having been based on the intelligence that was available at the time — although there is now evidence that some statements contradicted even the sketchy intelligence of the time.”
But that is an absurd way of putting it, minimizing and obscuring some central facts. Would it not have been more honest for the newspaper of record to recall that however “sketchy” the intelligence, it was not presented by the CIA to the administration as sketchy at all? Rather, it was presented as an iron-clad case, most memorably by CIA director George Tenet as a “a slam-dunk.” And would it not have been more honest to point out that the post-war studies of Iraq’s WMD program, like the Duelfer Report, had the benefit not merely of hindsight but the ability of investigators to roam freely through Iraqi archives and facilities? Back in 2002 and early 2003, when the U.S. was gearing up for war, things looked very differently than they did afterward.
This brings us back to the question which we began.
What is a false statement?
Did the Bush administration lie when it relied on the CIA’s estimates of Iraq’s WMD program, or is it the Center for Public Integrity that is now doing some lying, with the New York Times brazenly helping them along?
Lawhawk reminds the “Bush Lied” crowd of all the others who “lied” :
http://lawhawk.blogspot.com/2008/01/imagine-that.html
Let’s keep this in mind. The Administration based its statements on CIA information that both parties in the United States relied upon for more than a decade….how many of these so-called lies were repeated ad nauseum by the likes of President Bill Clinton, First Lady/Senator Hillary Clinton, Sec. State Albright, National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, Sen. John Kerry, Sen. John Edwards, and all the rest of the Democrats during the 1990s? It only came after 2003 that people realized that the CIA intel about the Iraqi WMD programs was found to be incorrect.
That’s not a lie. That’s bad intel, which was only discovered after Saddam Hussein was ousted.
Democrats Pre-Iraq War View on WMD's and Terrorism
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01-23-2008, 02:23 PM #6
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Originally Posted by dv8grl
It amazes me how either devoid of logic, subject to a willful suspension of disbelief, or completely dishonest most liberals are; pick your choice.
Evidence shows that both the Clinton and the Bush administrations forcasted the same Iraqi threat to US security from identical intelligence sources, both administrations subscribed to Iraqi regime change to protect US security and both administrations used military options to achieve their goals.
So, the disparity in liberal reaction to these administrative similarities is because, a) President Bush is a republican and President Clinton is a democrat, or b) President Bush’s overwhelming military reaction was too harsh while President Clinton’s underwhelming military reaction was just right?
[quote]1998 Iraq Liberation Act signed by President Clinton
http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/11/01/981101-in.htm
‘…The Iraqi people are the first to suffer from the expulsion of UNSCOM and the cessation of all its activities. They have repeatedly been the victims of Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction. They call for the elimination of weapons of mass destruction from Iraq…’
President Clinton signs Iraq Liberation Act in 1998…
‘…Saddam is the problem and he cannot be part of any solution in Iraq. Therefore, President Clinton’s action today is the most appropriate response to Saddam. Let him know that Iraqis will rise up to liberate themselves from his totalitarian dictatorship and that the US is ready to help their democratic forces with arms to do so. Only then will the trail of tragedy in Iraq end. Only then will Iraq be free of weapons of mass destruction…’
Maybe you just missed the discovery of WMD’s in Iraq.
Saddam Hussein bluffed and he was called on it. The bluff was only realized after all the cards were on the table.
Liberals either fail to realize how big the pot (US security) was, or they are recreating the scenario of this hand for their own political expediency.
I remind them that, whatever their reasons, I don’t take them seriously on matters of national security.
Trust this, WMDs were found and reported:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081300530.html
http://www.energy.gov/news/1388.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124576,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3872201.stm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...3146-7380r.htm
Speaking of which, here’s an interesting read:
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={D47C7304-B454-4294-8A21-DBEC5E2AACBE}
It’s an interview with Bill Tierney, “a former military intelligence officer and Arabic speaker who worked….as a counter-infiltration operator in Baghdad in 2004. He was also an inspector (1996-1998) for the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) for overseeing the elimination of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles in Iraq.”Laissez les bon temps rouler!Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT!
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01-23-2008, 02:57 PM #7
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Anytime anyone brings up a Clinton you immediately bring up the Monica fiasco. I hate to steal such a great bumper-sticker but.. I will....
WHEN CLINTON LIED.. NO ONE DIED
I loved all your quotes., AS THEY PROVE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE LIED TO!
Originally Posted by Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.)
"According to the CIA's report, all U.S. intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons. There is little question that Saddam Hussein wants to develop nuclear weapons."Originally Posted by Senator Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.)
"In the four years since the inspectors, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear programRudeness is the weak person's imitation of strength.
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Actually you see that I have brought up a NUMBER of other issues ... which you chose to IGNORE because it doesn't fit your view.
I loved all your quotes., AS THEY PROVE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE LIED TO!
1998 Iraq Liberation Act signed by President Clinton
Defense Secretary William Cohen : CNN "Showdown With Iraq: International Town Meeting," February 18, 1998
President Bill Clinton : Remarks at the Pentagon , February 17, 1998
Vice President Al Gore : Remarks at the White House , December 16, 1998
Vice President Al Gore : Larry King Live, December 16, 1998
Vice President Al Gore : ABC News’ "Special Report,” December 16, 1998
Secretary Of State Madelyn Albright : Remarks at the American Legion Convention, New Orleans, La., August 9, 1998
[Let’s keep this in mind. The Administration based its statements on CIA information that both parties in the United States relied upon for more than a decade….how many of these so-called lies were repeated ad nauseum by the likes of President Bill Clinton, First Lady/Senator Hillary Clinton, Sec. State Albright, National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, Sen. John Kerry, Sen. John Edwards, and all the rest of the Democrats during the 1990s? It only came after 2003 that people realized that the CIA intel about the Iraqi WMD programs was found to be incorrect.
That’s not a lie. That’s bad intel, which was only discovered after Saddam Hussein was ousted.Laissez les bon temps rouler!Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT!
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01-23-2008, 04:40 PM #9
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Depends on whom you talk to ....
Vince Foster... Ron Brown ... Barry Seal ...
The Clintons, to adapt a line from Dr. Johnson, were not only corrupt, they were the cause of corruption in others. Yet seldom in America have so many come to excuse so much mendacity and malfeasance as during the Clinton years. Here are some of the facts that have been buried.
RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court
* According to our best information, 40 government officials were indicted or convicted in the wake of Watergate. A reader computes that there was a total of 31 Reagan era convictions, including 14 because of Iran-Contra and 16 in the Department of Housing & Urban Development scandal. 47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned. A key difference between the Clinton story and earlier ones was the number of criminals with whom he was associated before entering the White House.
CRIME STATS
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122
ARKANSAS SUDDEN DEATH SYNDROME
- Number of persons in the Clinton machine orbit who are alleged to have committed suicide: 9
- Number known to have been murdered: 12
- Number who died in plane crashes: 6
- Number who died in single car automobile accidents: 3
- Number of one-person sking fatalities: 1
- Number of key witnesses who have died of heart attacks while in federal custody under questionable circumstances: 1
- Number of unexplained deaths: 4
Total suspicious deaths: 46Laissez les bon temps rouler!Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT!
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01-23-2008, 04:47 PM #10
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I mean ... who needs to bring up Monica anyway ...
UNEXPLAINED CLINTON PHENOMENA
- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000
- Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Juantia Broaddrick): 6
- Number of men involved in the Clinton scandals who have been beaten up or claimed to have been intimidated: 10Laissez les bon temps rouler!Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT!
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01-23-2008, 05:20 PM #11
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I think its pretty sick to compare Clinton political bull shit that THEY ALL DO to a PRESIDENT MURDERING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.