Thread: The "New" Gun Control ...

Good question......

Seeking to control our right to keep and bear arms - supplying foreign terrorist organizations.

Is this upholding the OATH of the Presidency?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/u-n-repor...ng-terrorists/

Sen. Kelly Ayotte (NH) is the 41st Republican Against Gun Control

60 votes are needed for passage and Ayotte's announcement means it is mathematically impossibl...e to pass the Manchin/Toomey expanded background check amendment.

Below is the updated Washington Post whip count:
Yes: 53
No: 41

Undecided: 6 (Baucus, Begich, Heitkamp, Landrieu, McCain, Pryor)

** The 16 Republicans who voted with Democrats to proceed: Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.), Richard Burr (R-N.C.), Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Dean Heller (R-Nev.), John Hoeven (R-N.D.), Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.), Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), John McCain (R-Ariz.), Patrick Toomey (R-Pa.) and Roger Wicker (R-Miss.).

** The 12 Senate Republicans who voted to proceed and now plan to vote no on the Manchin-Toomey amendment: Alexander, Ayotte, Burr, Chambliss, Coburn, Corker, Flake, Graham, Heller, Hoeven, Isakson, Wicker.

** Members of the “Sweet 16″ who plan to vote yes for the Manchin-Toomey amendment: Collins, Kirk, Toomey.

** Still undecided: McCain.

** The six at-risk Senate Democrats: Max Baucus (Mont.), Mark Begich (Alaska), Kay Hagan (N.C.), Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.), Mary Landrieu (La.), Mark Pryor (Ark.).

** Democrats who plan to vote no on Manchin-Toomey: None have publicly declared they’re a “no” vote.

** Democrats who plan to vote yes on Manchin-Toomey: Hagan

** Democrats still undecided: Baucus, Begich, Heitkamp, Landrieu, Pryor. (Spokespeople for the senators said over the weekend said that they continue to review the proposal.)

Law Enforcement Disagrees with President Obama and Mayor Bloomberg .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAms...layer_embedded

The Senate on Wednesday afternoon rejected an amendment to gun safety legislation that would expand background checks for gun buyers. The measure was defeated by a vote of 54 to 46.
LIVE: The Gun Control Vote Is On Life Support — Here's Where Things Stand


GUN CONTROL VOTE FAILS IN SENATE — Obama To Speak Soon On Failure
Brett LoGiurato | 54 minutes ago

With Vice President Joe Biden presiding over the Senate, an amendment to expand background checks on gun purchases failed to pass through the body, falling by a mostly partisan vote of 54-46. President Barack Obama will speak at the White House at 5:30 p.m. on the failure, the White House said.

Sixty votes were needed to pass the legislation through the Senate. Four Democrats voted no on the measure. All but four Republicans voted no.

With prospects already looking bleak, gun-control supporters lost two potential key votes earlier Wednesday, as Sens. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) and Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) said they would oppose the measure, which was introduced by Sens. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.). In addition to Heitkamp, the other three Democrats voting against the measure were Sens. Mark Begich (D-Alaska), Max Baucus (D-Mont.), and Mark Pryor (D-Ark.).

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-c...te-live-2013-4


5:02 PM | Michael Bloomberg's group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, released a scathing statement on the legislation's failure.

“Today’s vote is a damning indictment of the stranglehold that special interests have on Washington. More than 40 U.S. senators would rather turn their backs on the 90 percent of Americans who support comprehensive background checks than buck the increasingly extremist wing of the gun lobby. Democrats – who are so quick to blame Republicans for our broken gun laws – could not stand united. And Republicans – who are so quick to blame Democrats for not being tough enough on crime – handed criminals a huge victory, by preserving their ability to buy guns illegally at gun shows and online and keeping the illegal trafficking market well-fed. Senators Manchin and Toomey – as well as Majority Leader Reid and Senators Schumer, Kirk, Collins, McCain and others – deserve real credit for coming together around a compromise bill that struck a fair balance, and President Obama and Vice-President Biden deserve credit for their leadership since the Sandy Hook massacre. But even with some bi-partisan support, a common-sense public safety reform died in the U.S. Senate at the hands of those who are more interested in attempting to protect their own political careers – or some false sense of ideological purity – than protecting the lives of innocent Americans. The only silver lining is that we now know who refuses to stand with the 90 percent of Americans – and in 2014, our ever-expanding coalition of supporters will work to make sure that voters don’t forget.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-c...#ixzz2Ql4JYEYB

The Four Democrats Who Voted Against Gun Control
Grace Wyler | Apr. 17, 2013, 4:44 PM

The Senate voted 54-46 Wednesday to defeat a bipartisan amendment to expand background checks for gun purchases, effectively killing the cornerstone of new gun control legislation that Democrats have been pushing since the December elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn.

Four Democrats broke with their party and voted against the amendment, assuring that the measure would come up short of the 60 votes needed for passage.

Three of those lawmakers — Sens. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Max Baucus of Montana, and Mark Begich of Alaska — face competitive re-election races in deep-red states next year.

The fourth, Sen. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, was elected to her first Senate term in 2012.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-c...#ixzz2Ql4ux2V3

VERY disappointed in Mary Landrieu

Obama loses 2014 wedge issue in Senate gun vote
6:00 PM 04/17/2013

The Senate’s effective rejection of President Barack Obama’s post-Newtown gun control bill robs the Democratic Party of an important tool for trying to regain a majority in the House in November 2014.

“Are they serious?” a visibly angry Obama demanded of opponents of the Toomey/Manchin Senate bill. In a late-afternoon announcement outside the White House, the president added that if Congress continues not to pass a gun control bill, “the answer will have to come from the voters.”

But without a Senate bill, there’s little chance that vulnerable GOP House members in suburban swing-districts will face the unpleasant choice of either recording a public vote against what Obama repeatedly describes as “common-sense measures to reduce gun violence and save lives” or voting against gun rights supported by the National Rifle Association and many Americans.

The wedge issue was highlighted this morning by Obama’s 2012 strategic advisor, David Axelrod.

“A bunch of suburban, swing district Republicans in House are probably deeply relieved that Senate appears poised to kill background checks,” Axelrod said in a morning tweet.

“Interested to see if [Mayor Mike] Bloomberg and others who’ve worked hard on this issue remain active in 2014 elections, holding no votes accountable,” Axelrod added at 9.43 a.m. EST.

The Senate Wednesday failed by six votes to reach the sixty-vote threshold to bring the bill to a full vote.

Ironically, Obama lost partly because of opposition from several red-state Democrats facing re-election in November 2014.

Arkansas Sen. Mark Pryor, Montana Sen. Max Baucus and Alaska Sen. Mark Begich all voted against cloture, and all three face a tough reelection campaign this next November.

Since at least January, Obama has been pushing this issue, aiming squarely at boosting turnout among gun-averse, liberal-leaning suburban women.

The enemy, as described by Obama, is the “gun lobby.”

“What’s more important — doing whatever it takes to get a A grade from the gun lobby that funds their campaigns, or giving parents some peace of mind when they drop their child off for first grade?” Obama asked during a televised rally held at the White House Jan. 16.

“There will be pundits and politicians and special interest lobbyists publicly warning of a tyrannical, all-out assault on liberty — not because that’s true, but because they want to gin up fear or higher ratings or revenue for themselves,” he claimed. “Behind the scenes, they’ll do everything they can to block any common-sense reform and make sure nothing changes whatsoever,” he claimed.

“This is our first task as a society, keeping our children safe. This is how we will be judged. And their voices should compel us to change,” he declared in his full campaign-style 2012 tone.

Obama was accompanied by Vice President Biden, who has made gun-control a signature issue of his second-term preparations for a presidential run.

“It’s been 33 days since the nation’s heart was broken by the horrific, senseless violence that took place at Sandy Hook Elementary School — 20 beautiful first-graders gunned down in a place that’s supposed to be their second sanctuary,” Biden said.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/17/ob...#ixzz2QlS2bUWU

ah. the old liberal fall back. the "Shame On You" appeal to guilt fallacy. Nothing they propose would make children more safe. Yet shame on you for not doing SOMETHING regardless of it's efficacy. It's a sad play.

April 17, 2013, 6:49 PM.[B]Transcript of Obama’s Remarks on Gun Legislation[/B]

Here is the White House transcript of President Barack Obama‘s remarks on gun legislation Wednesday in the White House Rose Garden. Mr. Obama followed Mark Barden, the father of Daniel Barden, a first-grader who was killed in the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., in December.

5:35 P.M. EDT

MR. BARDEN: Hello. My name is Mark Barden. Just four months ago, my wife Jackie and I lost our son, and our children, James and Natalie, they lost their little brother Daniel. Daniel was a first-grader at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Our sweet, 7-year-old Daniel was one of 20 children, six adults lost on December 14th. I have to say it feels like it was just yesterday.

In our deepest grief, we were supported by the love of our families and comforted by the love and prayers we received from millions of America, from every corner of the country


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/0...l-legislation/

NBC News | April 17, 2013

Obama: A shameful day for Washington

President Obama reacts to Senate’s failure to pass a deal on expanded background checks for gun purchases but shows hope for future passage. http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-new...5367/#51575367

:hissyfit:

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Obama Mad As Hell: "A Shameful Day"
Claims NRA “Willfully Lied” To Defeat Senate Background Check Bill…
April 17, 2013


(The Daily Caller) — President Barack Obama held an emotional press conference in the Rose Garden this afternoon reacting to the failure of legislation to expand background checks on gun sales in the Senate. After being introduced by the father of a child killed at last year’s shootings in Newtown, Connecticut, Obama attributed the defeat of the bipartisan background check compromise to “untruths” about the bill spread by the National Rifle Association.

“The current leader of the nra used to support these background checks. So while this compromise didn’t contain everything I wanted or everything that these families wanted, it did represent progress. It represented moderation and common sense,” Obama said. “That’s why 90 percent of the American people supported it. But instead of supporting this compromise, the gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill.”

Obama said the NRA exagerrated the effect of the bill, which scared gun owners and mobilized them to oppose the legislation.

“They claimed that it would create some sort of big brother gun registry even though the bill did the opposite,” said Obama of the NRA. “This legislation in fact outlawed any registry, plain and simple, right there in the text. But that didn’t matter. And, unfortunately, this pattern of spreading untruths about this legislation served a purpose. Because those lies upset an intense minority of gun owners and that in turn intimidated a lot of senators.”



http://redflagnews.com/headlines/oba...und-check-bill