Thread: Department of Homeland Security

Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

BREAKING: Suspect in Boston Marathon terrorist bombing identified as Saudi national being held at a hospital by Boston police.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...9uC2PDGIjYBalO

THE NOW FREE SAUDI 'PERSON OF INTEREST' HAS 6 SAUDI 'TERRORISTS' IN FAMILY, 5 MORE ARE IN GITMO...

Confirmation that Abdul Rahman Ali Al-Harbi, the Saudi national and initial “person of interest,” is indeed being deported this week now is spreading across the Internet. More details are emerging this weekend as Arabic sources and Saudi papers themselves are confirming “rumors” swirling in the US. (more at bottom)

Moreover, the Saudi papers are detailing the visit by the Obamas, especially Michelle to the hospital and this man. The “rumors” of the President meeting with Saudi officials in the hospital just prior to his “approved deportation” is a bragging right in their press.

More notable is the assertions that Abdul Rahman Ali Al-Harbi is free an clear of terrorist ties, when in fact over 10 names from his clan are already linked to Al-Qaeda.

Many from Al-Harbi’s clan are entrenched in terrorism and are members of Al-Qaeda as identified by the Islamic governements.

Out of a list of 85 terrorists listed by the Saudi government shows several of Al-Harbi clan to have been active fighters in Al-Qaeda:

#15 Badr Saud Uwaid Al-Awufi Al-Harbi
#73 Muhammad Atiq Uwaid Al-Awufi Al-Harbi
#26 Khalid Salim Uwaid Al-Lahibi Al-Harbi
#29 Raed Abdullah Salem Al-Thahiri Al-Harbi
#43 Abdullah Abdul Rahman Muhammad Al-Harbi (leader)
#60 Fayez Ghuneim Humeid Al-Hijri Al-Harbi
Source: http://aalhameed1.net/vb/showthread.php?t=1565

Then you have Al-Harbi clan members in Gitmo:
Salim Salman Awadallah Al-Sai’di Al-Harbi
Majid Abdullah Hussein Al-Harbi
Muhammad Abdullah Saqr Al-Alawi Al-Harbi
Ghanem Abdul Rahman Ghanem Al-Harbi
Muhammad Atiq Uwaid Al-Awfi Al-Harbi

There are specific Saudi clans that are rife with members of Al-Qaeda, which has fueled critics questions the hundred thousand student visas are issued to these and how ICE officials seem clueless to make the connection with the clans when it comes to terrorism.

The BBC reported Khaled Alharbi was married to the daughter of al-Qaida’s number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri. He reportedly appeared with bin Laden in a video praising the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

http://clashdaily.com/2013/04/the-no...#ixzz2RCjoNsJ1

TheBlaze Exclusive: Congressional sources confirm Saudi national was to be deported for security related grounds

This story is being updated

Monday on radio, Glenn Beck revealed further details about the Saudi national who was the first suspect in the Boston marathon bombing. Despite denials from Janet Napolitano and officials from the U.S. Immigrations and Customs (ICE) that a Saudi national was taken into custody in connection to the Boston marathon bombing, several sources have confirmed that Abdul Rahman Ali Alharbi was set to be deported for proven terrorist activity.

According to two FBI sources, Abdul Rahman Ali Alharbi was taken “into custody” Monday April 15th at a Boston after he was injured in the blast.

A source within the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) told TheBlaze that on Monday night Alharbi’s Revere, Massachusetts apartment was searched and property was taken out.

At 4:00pm ET on Tuesday April 16th, The NCTC Field Watch Commander created an “event file” calling for Alharbi’s deportation using Section 212 3b, which is proven terrorist activity. According to TheBlaze’s sources, tagging someone as 3b requires solid evidence.

Fox News reporter Todd Starnes has also reported, “The Saudi national who was initially detained and then ruled out as a suspect in the Boston Marathon terrorist attack had been flagged on a terror watch list and was granted a student visa without being properly vetted, sources have told me.” http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...or-watch-list/

Starnes report no longer appears on the Fox News website, but can be found on Townhall. http://townhall.com/columnists/todds...-list-n1574863

Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) has told TheBlaze that he has detailed information on the Saudi national and confirmed that Alharbi was to be deported under Section 212 3b of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Alongside three other Congressmen, Rep. Duncan has requested a classified briefing on the Saudi national and the deportation order. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ston-bombings/

Even though sources within Congress have told TheBlaze they have seen the deportation order, several figures in the United States government have denied or refused to answer questions on Alharbi. First, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano refused to answer questions on the subject when confronted by Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) on Capitol Hill. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...-of-an-answer/ Then on Thursday, a senior law enforcement official with ICE told TheBlaze that reports claiming the department was deporting Alharbi under section 212 3B and had opened an “event” on the Saudi Arabian national following the Boston attacks is “categorically false.” http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...sa-revocation/

The senior law enforcement official also told TheBlaze that Alharbi was never in custody nor ever considered for deportation by ICE, but that the department does have a different Saudi national in custody being held on grounds unrelated to the Boston bombings. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...sa-revocation/

Glenn told the radio audience that there were several meetings last week between members of the Obama administration and key Saudi officials.

On Tuesday Secretary of State John Kerry met with Saudi Foreign Minister Saud which was closed to the media. http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...ly-161784.html

Then, on Wednesday, President Obama had a “chance” encounter with Saudi Foreign Minister Saud and Saudi Ambassador Adel al-Jubeir. http://www.arabnews.com/news/448588

Shortly after John Kerry’s meeting with Saud, the FBI started to backtrack Alharbi’s status in connection to the Boston Marathon Bombing. First, he was alleged to be a suspect, then a person of interest, then a witness, then a victim of the bombing. Now that two suspects, the Tsarnaev brothers, have been killed or taken into custody, Alharbi seems to be completely ignored.

On Wednesday April 17th at 5:35pm ET, the event file on Alharbi was altered and the order to deport was rescinded. “This is unheard of. This is impossible in this timeline due to the severity of the charge,” Glenn explained. “You don’t one day put a 2123b charge against somebody with deportation and then the very next day take it off.”

Glenn said that there are only two people who could order the change. The Director of the NCTC after getting everybody in the agency to sign off, or somebody in the highest levels of the State Department. Glenn said TheBlaze has been unable to identify who made the alteration.

On radio, Glenn said that sources are now telling TheBlaze that this case will likely be moved from The Department of Homeland Security to The Department of Justice and labeled an ongoing investigation. This will be the reason that Janet Napolitano will be unable to respond to The Homeland Security Committee’s request for a briefing.

Glenn also said that there is a heavy disinformation campaign currently being waged against this story similar to Benghazi. He believes that claims of mistaken identity, additional Saudi nationals in custody, and more are being used to discredit further investigation into this story and confuse media outlets.

As of Monday morning, no details on the “second Saudi” in ICE custody have been provided.

“Why were there were no names, no pictures presented? The fact is, an event was created for one Abdul Rahman Ali Al-Harbi indicating he was to be deported for terrorism activity related to the Boston bombing. If this file was created with another Abdul Rahman Ali Al-Harbi in mind, don’t you think we should know about it?” Glenn said.

“I need you to call your congressmen right now,” Glenn said. There are congressmen who are aware of this, have seen the documentation — they need your support, they need your help,”

“If we do not stand up, he is on a plane tomorrow or he is already gone.

“We demand answers from the Justice Department and this administration.”

Glenn explained that this story is just the latest example of a pattern of connections between the Saudi government and the United States.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/04/22/...ir-possession/

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Explain why Michelle Obama was visiting this "person of interest" and assuring him it would be all right but ignored the injured people from the bombing.

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Most likely the Saudi national has already been returned home safe and sound.

This is just one more perfect example of the treasonous activities within the administration and the perverse corruption of the Federal government. They do not fear the people, nor the media, nor the Congress in any shape, form or means; and that in and of itself speaks volumes to the nation if anyone will listen and understand.

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Fast and Furious, Benghazi, and now the Boston Bombing.

The corruption, fabrication, distortion and outright denials carried out with each passing hour by the administration never cease. Most of the media is willingly joining them in this cover-up for ideological reasons and nothing else.

How long until we have the 'Bubba effect' commence and then Obama will order the bloodbath to begin? How many will perish from his madness and the power-hunger of the government Democratic-Socialists?

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What did Janet Napolitano know, and when did she know it? If she lied to Congress, she needs to be prosecuted and immediately dismissed as Director of Homeland Security.

Cap. Terry Hestilow: Asking For Answers Re. DHS Stockpiling Ammo
April 27, 2013 at 5:00 am / by Dr. Sharon Schuetz

Monday, April 15, 2013 was more than just tax day. It was more than the day two crazy Muslim brothers bombed the Boston Marathon. It was also the day that my husband, Michael, and I traveled to Forth Worth, TX to meet and interview Retired Captain Terry M. Hestilow and his wife of nearly 35 years, Becky. He was the speaker at the local 912 Meeting. After reading the powerful letter he sent to Senators Cornyn and Cruz and to Congressman Michael Burgess, I wanted to meet this man who had stepped out on our nation’s stage. He did not disappoint.

In his speech, Captain Hestilow went through the numbers submitted by the Department of Homeland Security to Senator Tom Coburn. He carefully explained that even with the number of armed agents in the various agencies under the DHS jurisdiction, each one would have a high annual surplus of rounds per weapon. It was eye-opening to hear that even though the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition reportedly contracted by the DHS may be high, they are still buying much more than they can possibly use unless they get into endless gun battles, or as Captain Hestilow says, “Running gun battles in the streets”.

Captain Terry M Hestilow originally caught America’s attention when he sent a letter to his Senators and to his Congressman. He requested answers about the stockpile of ammunition by the DHS and reports that they have bought 2,700 armored vehicles to be used within the borders of the United States. Captain Hestilow, along with many retired and active military members, are concerned about the accelerated over throw of our Constitution they have sworn to defend. This is the letter Captain Hestilow sent to the Senators and Congressman:

The Honorable Senator John Cornyn, State of Texas

United States Senate

517 Hart Senate Office Building

Washington, D.C. 20510

Re: Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and that agencies preparation for war against citizens of the United States of America.

Dear Senator Cornyn,

It is with gravest concern that I write to you today concerning the recent appropriation of weapons by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that can only be understood as a bold threat of war by that agency, and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America. To date, DHS has been unwilling to provide to you, the elected representatives of the People, justification for recent purchases of almost 3,000 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) armored personnel carriers, 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition (with associated weapons), and other weapons systems, when, in fact, the DHS has no war mission or war making authority within the limits of the United States of America.

Significant is the fact that at the same time the Obama administration is arming his DHS for war within the limits of the United States against the People of the United States in accordance with his 2008 campaign speech claiming,

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve gotta (sic) have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the United States military]”–Candidate Barack Obama, 2008.

The Obama administration is deliberately defunding, overextending, and hollowing the Department of Defense; the only legitimate agency of the U.S. government with a war mission.

This act of the Obama administration stands as a glaring threat of war against our nation’s citizens! This act of the Obama administration can only be understood as a tyrannical threat against the Constitution of the United States of America! If left unresolved, the peace loving citizens who have sworn to defend the United States Constitution “against all enemies, both foreign and domestic” are left no option except to prepare to defend themselves, and the U.S. Constitution, against this Administration’s “coup” against the People and the foundations of liberty fought for and defended for the past 238 years. We have no choice if we honor our oaths.

The only proper response to this threat against the American people is for the representatives of the People, the members of the U.S. House and Senate, to demand in clear terms that the Administration cannot ignore, that the Department of Homeland Security immediately surrender their newly appropriated weapons of war to the Department of Defense (DoD). Further, since the DHS has assumed a position in the Administration to enforce the tyrannical acts of this president against the People of the United States against the limits of the United States Constitution, it remains for the United States Congress to exercise its limiting power in the balancing of powers established by our founding fathers, to disestablish and dissolve the DHS as soon as possible. One needs only to look to the rise of Adolf Hitler, and his associated DHS organizations, the SA and the SS, of 1932-1934, to see the outcome of allowing an agency of government this kind of control over the free citizens of a nation. The people of Germany could not have imagined, until it was too late, the danger of allowing a tyrant this kind of power. We must not be so naïve as to think it will not happen to us as well if we remain passive toward this power grab by the Marxist Obama administration!

Finally, for more than two centuries the nation has lived in peace at home because of the protections of our legitimate military and the many appropriate state and federal law enforcement agencies, supported by Constitutional courts. We stand today at a cross-road. Will we allow this present Administration to overthrow our United States Constitution and its legal processes to amend injustices, or, will we honor our obligations to defend the Constitution against a “domestic” enemy? Our Constitution lays out the proper methods of resolving our differences; and it does not include its overthrow by a rogue agency of a Marxist leadership at home. You, sir, are our constitutionally elected agent to defend our Constitution at home. We are counting upon you. We remain aware, however, of this present threat and will not expose ourselves as an easy prey to the authors of the destruction of our nation.

I know that this letter demands much of you. We elected you because we, the citizens of the State of Texas, believe that you are up to the task at hand and will, against all threats, honor your oath and office. We are also writing to your fellow members of the House and Senate to stand in integrity with the Constitution and against this present threat by the Obama administration and his DHS.

We refuse to surrender our Constitution or our nation!

Resolved,
Captain Terry M. Hestilow
United States Army, Retired
Fort Worth, Texas
March 23, 2013

Captain Hestilow loves America and has served in the Army as both a commissioned and a noncommissioned officer. He enlisted in 1975 and served all over the world until 1993 when he left the Army. During this time he served as pastor to several churches and as deputy sheriff of St. Tammany Parish Sheriff’s Office, Louisiana. He rejoined the Army in 2001 after 911 where he served until his retirement in 2011.

SS: Why do you think your letter to Senators Cornyn and Cruz and Congressman Burgess made an impact on so many Americans?
TH: I think one of the things that caused the letter to catch fire the way it did was that I made clear that the DHS does not have a war mission. The kinds of appropriations they are making could really only be understood to be appropriations preceding a war or an attack. The Department of Homeland Security’s mission is completely internal. So, for them to be planning a war meant that they would be planning a war against the people of the United States, and that is certainly not their mission. It is certainly inappropriate. The only recourse that I believe is appropriate is for the Department of Homeland Security to surrender all of that ammunition to the Department of Defense to be used by those agencies. These are the departments charged with war-making, the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Marine Corp.

Congressman Burgess was only regurgitating what he had received from Senator Tom Coburn in Oklahoma. What Senator Coburn had received was information that they knew they had to confess to. But even those figures that they provided to Senator Coburn, when you put the pencil to paper, they come up with an excess of ammunition. Not in the range of 1.6 billion, but certainly for their operational demands an excess of 3,000 rounds per weapon.

SS: And you did the math on that?

TH: Yes, ma’am. When you do 3,000+ rounds per weapon, we don’t hear anything in the news about running wars along our border, or other agencies, the Secret Service having running gun battles. And, for them to be using that kind of ammunition, we’d have to be hearing something about running gun battles. So it seems apparent that they’re continuing to obscure that they’re stocking ammunition to use against the people, which means they’re planning a reverse coup. That is to overthrow the Constitution and to declare war against the people of the United states so that they can impose another system of government. The only thing that we can deduce from that, based on the things that we know about this president, this party, his administration, his agencies are that it would be a Marxist organization.

SS: Have you heard from anybody in the military, people you worked with? Any kind of response to what you’ve said?

TH: Seldom would you hear from anyone who is a member of the active duty because for them to begin to talk would put them at risk. So it’s really a matter for us to fight in their defense. This is one of those times when it’s up to us who have retired to fight the fight that they can see, but they can’t really have a voice.

SS: As you step out is there any possibility of repercussions, financially, or in any other way they can hurt you for standing up and saying the things you’re saying?

TH: Theoretically, if they could show that I was trying to overthrow the government, which is one of the things that I’ve been very careful not to do. In fact, one of the things that I have said in every statement is that what I’m trying to do is to defend the Constitution. That is my responsibility, to defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. And I’m observing what’s going on, and I’m prepared to fight a Marx’s takeover of our government, which is what the President seems to be headed for. So it is going to be hard for them to prove that I’m trying to overthrow the government, because what I’m really trying to do is to reinstate Constitutional government that I believe that we’re losing already.

SS: In your letter you said that Obama is deliberately defunding, over extending, and hollowing out the Department of Defense. And, of course we know that the only legitimate war-making part of the government is the military. Can you tell me what you see him doing?

TH: Well, when I say he has hollowing out, this really is very similar to what Jimmy Carter did in the 1970s, in which without the proper funding we were unable to take our equipment out for training. We were unable to commit to missions that we might have otherwise have needed to do, for training or our operations. And also it’s obvious that our missions are creeping out. Yes, we’re not in Iraq any more, as we see our missions are not really lapsing. We’re just seeing things like, for example, the Blue Angels are no longer able to fly. Other aspects of the armed forces are being put on hold because they supposedly don’t have funds to keep the Army training, or the armed forces training.

Recently, General Amos of the Marine Corp., was recorded in a discussion with his Marines and he was talking about the real need that his Marines be cautious about expending their ammunition. He said that they needed to be austere in the way that they use every round of ammunition and every gallon of gas.

I think it’s interesting that at the same time that we’re seeing such austerity imposed upon our armed forces, while we’re still fighting a war in Afghanistan, the President seems to be taking a vacation every other week. No austerity there.

SS: What can the American people, the military, and law enforcement do to prepare for what might be ahead? What can we do to make a change?

TH: I say to my brothers and sisters in arms whether it’s in the armed forces, or whether it’s with the Sheriff’s offices across the land, police departments, we have an obligation, an oath that each of us has taken. That we swear to hold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Now, we didn’t swear an oath as the German army did. They were required to swear an oath of allegiance to a man–to the Fuhrer. We’re not required to do that. And we should never do that. But instead, we have a Constitution that was written for us for all time, that is flexible, and that applies in every aspect of our lives. To protect the citizens and children for future generations, so that they have their rights protected, as well. If we don’t do that, then we failed them.

Interview with Captain Hestilow : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGA2B...layer_embedded


Cap. Hestilow’s speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=FYONYH04fLc

You can reach Captain Terry Hestilow through Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/TerryMHestilow?fref=ts

http://politichicks.tv/column/cap-te...ckpiling-ammo/

Last week in Boston, they were able to jamb the phone lines, etc. so the "terrorists" could not communicate. Okay. A slippery slope for sure.

Today, I recalled how our television broadcasting has changed. We're totally digital now...not the "old way" of television broadcasting. I'm not sure they could jamb the old transmissions without taking out towers and such...but today, it is so much easier for them to do.

Anyone still have there old CB radios? and walkie talkies?

Something to think about.

DHS training video depicts gun owners as 'militia members' planning terrorism
April 26, 2013 ~ By: Ryan Keller


The YouTube channel Patriot News Organization on Thursday uploaded a training video from the Department of Homeland Security that depicts a fake news broadcast about a police SWAT team raiding an American house and arresting "extremist" members of a “local militia group” for possession of illegal firearms and planning to commit terrorist attacks.

“Very disturbing video straight from DHS website - they use it to help train all of the deputized agencies during a crisis, even hospital administrators, media faces, everything and everyone that would be involved in such an event,” reads the Patriot News Organization’s description of the video.

Exactly when the video was made is unclear, but the video description links to a DHS website featuring documents that were uploaded in 2009 and 2012.

In the video, a fake local news anchor comes on the screen with breaking news.

“Reports of possible illegal activity by a local militia group appears to have spurred law enforcement into action,” the anchor says.

The video then cuts to “John Gleason” at the site in front of a house with fake fire fighters and SWAT officers swarming the area.

“This is the scene of an intensive investigation into the operations of an extremist group reportedly planning a series of terrorist attacks on U.S. cities,” Gleason says. “Details are sketchy, but allegedly the militia was using this house to store a cache of military weapons.”

While he says this, an image of an officer dressed in explosive-proof gear is shown heading into the house.

Gleason then says that the FBI and “other agencies” are on the scene, and that police raided the house of two men for “illegal possession of firearms, but they apparently found more than they were bargaining for.” As Gleason says this, SWAT officers are shown hauling two typical looking men from the house.

“Get him out of here!” an officer is heard shouting, and another one runs toward the cameraman waving his hand and shouting, “backup, backup, backup!” and the video ends.

The DHS has long been suspected of gearing up to fight Americans. The agency has released documents describing conservatives, libertarians, people who distrust the federal government, people who oppose illegal immigration, who oppose the Federal Reserve and who support gun rights, among other things, as potential terrorists and “domestic extremists.”

The agency has further stoked fears by purchasing nearly 2 billion rounds of mostly hollow point ammunition, 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles, nearly 3,000 mine-resistant MRAP vehicles and $2 million worth of paper targets depicting Americans, including women and children.

Last month, Arkansas State Fusion Center Director Richard Davis admitted that the DHS spies on "anti-government" Americans.

While trying to clear up "misconceptions" that the agency is spying on all Americans, he admitted that they only observe “domestic terrorism and certain groups that are anti-government. We want to kind of take a look at that and receive that information."


http://www.examiner.com/article/dhs-...ning-terrorism

For all those who do not think that the un-precedented ammo grab by The Obama Administration is not real...here is great insight into what is happening as our government seeks to choke out the 2nd Amendment....

Inhofe: Obama administration trying to ‘dry up’ ammo supply [AUDIO]

3:59 PM 05/06/2013

On Aaron Klein’s weekend show on New York City’s WABC radio, Oklahoma Republican Sen. James Inhofe accused the Obama administration of buying up ammunition at an unprecedented level to bypass the Second Amendment so gun-owners “can’t even buy ammunition because government is purchasing so much.” http://news.investors.com/politics-a...-purchases.htm

“Let’s make sure that your audience out there is aware, Aaron, that our president, Obama, has been doing everything he could to stop the private ownership of guns in America,” Inhofe said. “You know that, everyone knows that. And yet he’s been voted down in a big way by a large majority. And so my feeling is that he’s doing this to buy up [ammunition] so that we can’t buy: Honest, law-abiding citizens here in the United States, like my son, can’t even buy ammunition because government is purchasing so much.”

Inhofe explained to Klein he is working to introduce the Ammunition Management for More Obtainability (AMMO) bill that will limit “non-defense, armed federal agencies to pre-Obama levels of ammunition.” https://www.opencongress.org/bill/113-s843/letters

“It’s designed to have the GAO (that’s the Government Accounting Office) inventory — not the Defense Department, but all other departments that use weaponry — as to what they’re doing in terms of the amount of ammunition that they have bought to dry up the market for honest, law-abiding citizens,” Inhofe said.

The Oklahoma Republican called the buy-ups intentional and referred to testimony last month from Nick Nayak, the Department of Homeland Security’s chief procurement officer, who said DHS has the right to buy up the ammunition. http://freebeacon.com/well-armed/

“I believe it’s intentional,” Inhofe said. “Now we had someone testify the other day the DHS, the Department of Homeland Security, has the ‘right’ — this is a bureaucrat that said this — they have the ‘right’ to buy as much as they want, and they’re planning to buy 750 million rounds. Well, that is more than three times the amount that our soldiers are using for training to defend our nation. So, it’s just another effort to restrict gun activity and ownership. We have in this country the Second Amendment, that preserves the right to keep and bear arms, and the president doesn’t believe in that.”

Inhofe was skeptical of theory that the ammo buy-up was an effort by DHS to seize power from the state, as some have suggested, but did say it was unprecedented and shouldn’t be allowed. http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/16/le...ounds-of-ammo/

“This has never happened in this country before,” he added. “We’ve never had government trying to take that much control at the expense of the law-abiding citizens. And we’re not going to let it happen.”


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/06/in...#ixzz2SceFxRBZ

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When are the ammo manufacturers going to step up and refuse to sell to the federal government?

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True. The thing is, if they sell to us, the rate of purchase and the number of rounds is not nearly as large. Lay that against a VERY large purchase of ammunition but, at a very low price. It becomes an "economic decision". You have to consider also though that ammunition manufacturers are VERY restricted and the government could find it VERY easy to close ALL of them down for regulatory (and imaginary) violations.

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They can't refuse to sell the Federal Govt. The ammo companies can refuse the state governments but not the Federal, that is why they are getting away with it. I don't understand how anyone still supports Obama. He obviously does not have the best for the country nor the people in mind. He is a dictator, which is also obvious from his executive orders. I am so thankful for the NRA, if it were not for them we would not have our 2nd amendment right at this time. Since Obama and the gun grabbers HATE the NRA, I stand with them! Membership is only $25, but our Freedoms are Priceless!



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/06/in...#ixzz2ScdsCDTO

YOU LIVE IN A POLICE STATE NOW:
DHS CALLS OUT ITS TROOPS ON IRS PROTESTS TODAY.


From "Fire Andrea Mitchell" Show of Force

Try and digest this. Occupy Wall Street hippies and leftists can riot, break windows, rape and even sometimes kill people. No armed DHS guards were ever sent to their ‘camps’ or protests. Peaceful, but frustrated Americans protest the IRS because of their targeting of conservatives and religious groups, and Obama sends in armed guards with the DHS?

Does anyone see something wrong here or is it just me?

SEE DHS armed guards at St. Louis tea party protest AT THIS LINK: http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/20...arty-protests/

RELATED: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/05/...-protest-71096

Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

From "Fire Andrea Mitchell" Show of Force

Try and digest this. Occupy Wall Street hippies and leftists can riot, break windows, rape and even sometimes kill people. No armed DHS guards were ever sent to their ‘camps’ or protests. Peaceful, but frustrated Americans protest the IRS because of their targeting of conservatives and religious groups, and Obama sends in armed guards with the DHS?

Does anyone see something wrong here or is it just me?

DHS: Laptops, Phones Can Be Searched Based on Hunches
June 5, 2013 3:59 PM

WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) — U.S. border agents should continue to be allowed to search a traveler’s laptop, cellphone or other electronic device and keep copies of any data on them based on no more than a hunch, according to an internal Homeland Security Department study. It contends limiting such searches would prevent the U.S. from detecting child pornographers or terrorists and expose the government to lawsuits.

The 23-page report, obtained by The Associated Press and the American Civil Liberties Union under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act, provides a rare glimpse of the Obama administration’s thinking on the long-standing but controversial practice of border agents and immigration officers searching and in some cases holding for weeks or months the digital devices of anyone trying to enter the U.S.

Since his election, President Barack Obama has taken an expansive view of legal authorities in the name of national security, asserting that he can order the deaths of U.S. citizens abroad who are suspected of terrorism without involvement by courts, investigate reporters as criminals and — in this case — read and copy the contents of computers carried by U.S. travelers without a good reason to suspect wrongdoing.

The DHS study, dated December 2011, said the border searches do not violate the First or Fourth amendments, which prohibit restrictions on speech and unreasonable searches and seizures. It specifically objected to a tougher standard in a 1986 government policy that allowed for only cursory review of a traveler’s documents.

“We do not believe that this 1986 approach, or a reasonable suspicion requirement in any other form, would improve current policy,” the report said. “Officers might hesitate to search an individual’s device without the presence of articulable factors capable of being formally defended, despite having an intuition or hunch based on experience that justified a search.” It added: “An on-the-spot perusal of electronic devices following the procedures established in 1986 could well result in a delay of days or weeks.”

The Homeland Security report was prepared by its Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties.

The U.S. government has always maintained that anything a person carries across the border — a backpack, a laptop, or anything hidden in a person’s body — is fair game to be searched as a means of keeping drugs, child pornography and other dangerous goods out of
the country, and to enforce import laws. But as more Americans enter the U.S. with sophisticated computers, thumb drives, smartphones, cameras and other electronic devices that hold vast amounts of information about who they are and how they conduct business, privacy rights advocates have pressed for more checks on such authority, particularly if digital files are copied and shared with other federal agencies, such as the FBI.

According to the government study, 685 of roughly 50 million travelers entering the U.S. in 2009 and 2010 were subject to electronic device searches. Of those searched, 41 devices were held by the government.

The ACLU, National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers and other groups have sued to stop the practice, saying that it violates First and Fourth amendment rights. They say allowing agents to act on a hunch encourages racial profiling. Some activists say they also worry that the FBI and other federal investigators are using laptop searches at the border to collect intelligence on terror and criminal suspects without judicial checks.

Catherine Crump, the ACLU lawyer who first requested the report, said it is the first detailed explanation of why the government believes it doesn’t need a reason to open a laptop or storage device and download files for further review. She described as inadequate the government’s argument that imposing a legal threshold to perform such searches would lead to lawsuits.

“That’s just not good enough,” Crump said. “A purely suspicionless search opens the door to ethnic profiling.”

Since the 2011 report, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has objected to searching electronic devices without reasonable suspicion.

“A person’s digital life ought not be hijacked simply by crossing a border,” Judge M. Margaret McKeown wrote for the appeals court majority in March.

But the ruling involving Howard Cotterman, whose laptop contained hundreds of hidden child pornography files when he crossed the Arizona-Mexico border in 2007, only applies to the states within the appeals court’s jurisdiction, including Arizona, California and Alaska. The ruling also left some confusion as to what constitutes a comprehensive search.

Another case, involving Islamic studies student Pascal Abidor, whose laptop was detained for 11 days along the Canadian border, is still pending in a federal district court in New York.

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