Thread: "MOM" killed the kids because they were talking back and being "mouthy."

Report: Fla. mom hit teen daughter before shooting
Tamara Lush And Mitch Stacy, Associated Press – 8 mins ago

TAMPA, Fla. – A suburban Florida soccer mom showed signs of trouble in the months before she was accused of killing her two teenage children: Her 16-year-old daughter told police in November she had been hit by her mother on two occasions, and troopers investigating a car crash that same month thought the woman's glassy eyes and "mush mouth" indicated she had been using drugs.

The incidents were described in reports released Monday, days after authorities say Julie Powers Schenecker, 50, shot and killed the kids because they were talking back and being "mouthy." Investigators found her soaked in blood Friday on the back porch of the family's upscale home. Later that day, at a county jail, Schenecker shook uncontrollably, her eyes wide.

Investigators said 16-year-old Calyx and 13-year-old Beau had each been shot twice in the head a day earlier — Beau in the family's car on the way to soccer practice, Calyx in her room as she studied at her computer

Both teens were killed with a .38-caliber pistol, which authorities say Schenecker bought five days earlier.

Schenecker was ordered held without bail Monday during a brief court hearing. She did not speak — though she did cry and hold a tissue, her hands bound by handcuffs. She is in the Hillsborough County Jail on two first-degree murder charges. A representative for the public defender's office declined to comment on the case.

Neither Schenecker nor her husband, Parker — an Army intelligence officer who was working in the Middle East when the shootings happened — had a criminal record. Parker Schenecker served in Munich from 1986 to 1990; his wife worked there from 1987 to 1992 as a Russian linguist involved in military intelligence, wrote an author identifying himself as Parker Schenecker on an online forum for military personnel.

The family moved to Tampa in 2008 when Parker Schenecker was transferred to U.S. Central Command headquarters, which oversees the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and is housed at MacDill Air Force Base.

Friends and neighbors recalled a perfect family, whose Facebook photos showed a radiant foursome posing in Santa hats and decked in white near a pier. Calyx loved the Harry Potter series and excelled at cross-country running. Beau played soccer.

On Nov. 6, though, trouble arose.

Calyx called police, telling officers her mother hit her as she drove home in the family car, according to a Department of Children and Families report. Julie Schenecker was in the passenger seat. The report said Calyx had been in counseling because of verbal abuse directed at her mother. "(Calyx) claimed she said something she should not have and she now regrets it," the report stated. Then, her mother hit her repeatedly with an open hand on the face for about 30 seconds. At the gate to their neighborhood, her mother hit her at least once more, the report said.

Calyx said her mom tried to hit her again while parked in the driveway, but she was able to hold the woman's hands away. Julie Schenecker told officers that she and her daughter squabbled in the car and admitted to backhanding her daughter three times.

The teen also told officers that her mom had hit her about a month and a half before. "(Calyx) said she was never hit like this before. She is usually disciplined by getting her privileges and her belongings taken away from her," the investigating officer wrote.

Officers didn't observe any marks or bruises on the girl, and closed the case without charging Schenecker.

State Department of Children and Families spokesman Terry Field said his agency also investigated the case — and found that it could not be substantiated. Two days later, Schenecker was in a car crash not far from her Tampa home. It happened shortly after noon, and the highway patrol report cited Schenecker for careless driving — she was going 70 in a 55-mph zone, and plowed into a trailer hauling landscaping equipment. Both Schenecker and the other driver — who declined to comment on the crash Monday — were hurt.

Officers on the scene wrote that Schenecker "showed signs of drug impairment," including dilated pupils with no reaction to light and "mush-mouthed speech."

Other field sobriety tests weren't conducted because Schenecker was taken to the hospital. Another trooper went to the hospital to obtain a blood sample from Schenecker, but by then, she had checked out.

The crash caused $26,500 in property damage, records show. Schenecker paid a $115 fine and attended traffic school.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110131/...mpa_teens_shot

Unreal!

This woman has some serious issues...Scary to think she worked of an intelligence agency in the past.

Hearing set for mom accused of killing her teens
Tamara Lush, Associated Press – Tue Apr 5, 4:23 am ET

TAMPA, Fla. – A central Florida woman accused of shooting her two teenage children earlier this year for talking back had a court hearing scheduled for Tuesday.

Julie Schenecker, the wife of an Army colonel, shot her 13-year-old son to death on the way to soccer practice and later her 16-year-old daughter as she studied in her room because she was fed up with them talking back and being "mouthy," police said. Schenecker, 50, was discovered on her back porch, covered in blood.

Authorities have been perplexed over exactly what led to the killings, and recently got a search warrant to seize five computers in the home so they can scrutinize Schenecker's online activity.

"It is very puzzling. You might expect a parent to lose control and smack the kids, not come up from behind with a gun," said Dr. Phillip J. Resnick, a professor of psychiatry at Case Western Reserve University of Medicine in Cleveland who has researched homicidal mothers for decades.

Mothers who kill their children usually fit a pattern, such as unwanted kids, revenge on a spouse, the children are already severely abused or the mother believes they are suffering a "fate worse than death" while alive.

The Schenecker case doesn't fit any of those patterns, Resnick said.

"There is something else going on that we don't know about," Resnick said. "On its face it just doesn't compute."

By most accounts, the family seemed like overacheivers.

Parker, the father, is an Army colonel. Julie, the mother, is a former Army Russian linguist and college volleyball star. Calyx, the 16-year-old daughter was tall, gorgeous and had a talent for art and a love of Harry Potter. Beau was a 13-year-old soccer standout.

"By all appearances, it was an all-American family," said Eric Storey, a college classmate of Parker Schenecker.

On Tuesday, lawyers and a judge will gather in a Tampa courtroom to discuss Schenecker's first-degree murder case, one of many hearings to come before the trial. Schenecker will not be there. Her attorney has filed a motion to waive her presence, a likely attempt to quell the already intense interest in the case.

More details about the family are likely to emerge in the coming months as prosecutors decide whether to seek the death penalty and whether Schenecker's attorneys mount an insanity defense. A Hillsborough County judge recently signed a search warrant authorizing investigators to seize five computers in the home at the time of the shootings, so they can look at Schenecker's online activity, in addition to the handwritten notes she left that allegedly detailed her crimes.

Also, Parker Schenecker has filed for divorce from his wife — who has asked a judge to freeze the couple's assets. Depending on how the judge rules, it could mean Parker Schenecker would be forced to pay for his wife's criminal defense.

"After his children's tragic death, Col. Schenecker could not imagine that there was anything else (Julie Schenecker) could take from him," wrote Alexander Caballero, Parker Schenecker's lawyer, in a court paper. "It appears to be an attempt to compel Col. Schenecker — who had only intended to participate in these proceedings to give a voice to his children, the victims — to fund the defense."

Two teens dead, insanty defense, a contentious divorce — how did it come to this for the seemingly perfect Schenecker family?

"Parker's holding up much better than I would have," Storey said. "He's dealing with forgiveness, taking blame on himself that he didn't realize how fragile (Julie's) psyche was."

Julie Schenecker was born in Muscatine, Iowa, a small town in America's heartland. There, she was an athlete and that continued in college, where she played volleyball for the University of Northern Iowa.

Schenecker eventually joined the military and became a Russian lingust. While she was stationed in Munich, Germany, she met and married Parker Schenecker in the late 1980s. In an online military bulletin board, Schenecker wrote that the family spent 10 years there. Calyx was born in Germany.

On that same online bulletin board, Julie Schenecker wrote in 2009 about some of the things she didn't miss about the military: electric typewriters, walking on cobblestones in heels and white glove inspections of the barracks.

Like many military families, the Scheneckers moved often. Beau was born in Hawaii, and the family also lived in Arizona and Virginia. Julie left the military, but Parker didn't. He was rising fast through the ranks.

In 2008, they moved to Tampa, because of Parker's assignment with U.S. Central Command, which is located at MacDill Air Force Base and runs the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The family bought a home in the Tampa Palms subdivision, an upscale area north of downtown. The 3,300-square-foot stucco home with a pool is nearly identical to the others. The only sounds in the neighborhood are the wind in the trees and the kids playing in the cul-de-sac. They paid $448,000 for the house three years ago.

It's unclear whether Julie Schenecker was feeling lonely or depressed after moving to Tampa, where the family had few friends. If she was, she hid it well, neighbors and those who met her said. She took her kids to school and to activities, and by all accounts, was a pleasant person.

Charanun Soodjinda said the Scheneckers "fit right in" when they arrived. The couple's two children often played in the cul-de-sac with other neighborhood kids, and Julie Schenecker seemed to be at home a lot.

"They seemed like a nice family," said Soodjinda, who lives across the street.

Carla Bruning, the principal at King High School where Calyx attended, said she often saw Julie Schenecker from a distance but knew Parker better.

"He was very involved with the kids," Bruning said, adding that he spent a lot of time with Calyx's track team. "He was close to the children. He's kind of like part of the school."

By late 2010, there were cracks in the family's perfect veneer. On Nov. 8, Calyx called police, telling officers her mother hit her as she drove home in the family car, according to a Department of Children and Families report. Julie Schenecker was in the passenger seat. The report said Calyx had been in counseling because of verbal abuse directed at her mother.

Officers didn't observe any marks or bruises on the teen, and closed the case without charges.

Parker Schenecker told investigators it was the first time his wife had ever hit one of the children. Records from the state agency also show that Julie Schenecker and her daughter were in counseling.

On Nov. 10, Julie Schenecker was in a car crash in Tampa, driving into a trailer hauling landscaping equipment. Officers on the scene wrote that she "showed signs of drug impairment," including dilated pupils with no reaction to light and "mush-mouthed speech."

Other field sobriety tests weren't conducted because Schenecker was taken to the hospital. Another trooper went to the hospital to obtain a blood sample from Schenecker, but by then she had checked out.

The crash caused $26,500 in property damage to her car and to the trailer, records show. Schenecker paid a $115 fine and attended traffic school.

According to state child welfare records, Schenecker and her daughter attended counseling and in December, the entire family was attending therapy — and the report noted that Julie Schenecker was also getting individual help from a therapist.

In January, Parker Schenecker was sent on assignment to the Middle East. Around Jan. 22, Julie Schenecker bought a .38-caliber handgun, records show. On Jan. 28, she emailed her mother to tell her she was depressed. The email was so disturbing that Julie Schenecker's mother called police and asked them to check on her daughter and grandchildren.

That's when officers found Julie Schenecker, half-conscious and covered in blood. Beau was in the garage and Calyx was in her bed — both teens were covered with blankets. Officers say she confessed, saying she shot them both in the head for being "mouthy."

Detectives found a manual for the gun and a spiral notebook in Julie Schenecker's bedroom. A detective wrote that inside, it "documented in detail how she planned and followed through with the murder of her children."

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comments

If every teen was shot and killed if they were "mouthy" our species would cease to exist.

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She should have turned the gun around and pulled the trigger one more time...

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She doesn't fit a pattern?!? Uh HELLO authorities, the pattern is CRAZY....

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Such a very sad thing for the father. He was close to the kids, involved with their school and had the family going to counselling.
Since she was unhappy, she should have left the family via a divorce.. not murder the children! If the father had done this, we would be screaming for his head. The mother did this, and you read how sorry we should be for her. Double standards - she should be executed.

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No matter her 'defense' or how depressed she was - or whatever - she willfully and deliberately and KNOWINGLY planned and executed the murder of her own flesh and blood. It seems to me that she thought of herself as more important than the children, that she may have felt 'dethroned' in her husband's eyes when he doted on his own children because he loved them. Seems more like revenge to me. No pity here, and I'm a woman. In fact, she should be executed. If they excute people for killing police, they should execute mothers (and fathers) for killing their own children.

SO much to say on this subject, but I would sound mean, so I won't

I will say that TAMPA is not Central Florida!
They should have said a Gulf Coast Florida woman.....