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    ObamaCare Architect Boasts: The Law Was Passed Thanks to the ‘Stupidity of the American Voter’
    By Kyle Becker - 6 hours ago


    One of the Obamacare architects, Jonathan Gruber, clarifies what he and instrumental healthcare reform advocates like him think about the American people.

    Enough said.

    Video at link : http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/2002...merican-voter/



    Obamacare Architect Admits Deceiving Americans to Pass Law
    Video Team / November 09, 2014



    In a newly surfaced video, one of Obamacare’s architects admits a “lack of transparency” helped the Obama administration and congressional Democrats pass the Affordable Care Act. The conservative group American Commitment posted Jonathan Gruber’s remarks, reportedly from an Oct. 17, 2013, event, on YouTube.

    “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” says the MIT economist who helped write Obamacare. “And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.”



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    Maybe this time the supreme justices will apply constitutional law instead of politics.

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    Once upon a time a man appeared in a village and announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for $10 each.

    The villagers, seeing that there were many monkeys around, went out to the forest and started catching them.

    The man bought thousands at $10 and, as supply started to diminish, the villagers stopped their effort.

    He next announced that he would now buy monkeys at $20 each. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms.

    The offer increased to $25 each and the supply of monkeys became so scarce it was an effort to even find a monkey, let alone catch it!

    The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at $50 each! However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would buy on his behalf.

    In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers: “Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has already collected. I will sell them to you at $35 and when the man returns from the city, you can sell them to him for $50 each.”

    The villagers rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys for 700 billion dollars. They never saw the man or his assistant again, only lots and lots of monkeys!

    Now you have a better understanding of how the Obama Health Care PLAN WILL WORK !!!!

    It doesn't get much clearer than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge View Post
    ObamaCare Architect Boasts: The Law Was Passed Thanks to the ‘Stupidity of the American Voter’
    By Kyle Becker - 6 hours ago


    One of the Obamacare architects, Jonathan Gruber, clarifies what he and instrumental healthcare reform advocates like him think about the American people.

    Enough said.

    Video at link : http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/2002...merican-voter/



    Obamacare Architect Admits Deceiving Americans to Pass Law
    Video Team / November 09, 2014



    In a newly surfaced video, one of Obamacare’s architects admits a “lack of transparency” helped the Obama administration and congressional Democrats pass the Affordable Care Act. The conservative group American Commitment posted Jonathan Gruber’s remarks, reportedly from an Oct. 17, 2013, event, on YouTube.

    “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” says the MIT economist who helped write Obamacare. “And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.”



    http://dailysignal.com/2014/11/09/ca...cans-pass-law/

    Jonathan Gruber Admitted Obama Was In the Room When Cadillac Tax Lie Was Created.
    UPDATE: WHITE HOUSE LOGS CONFIRM!

    Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, November 13, 2014



    Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber and his Obamacare comic book for stupid Americans.

    On June 13, 2012, Obamacare Jonathan Gruber was interviewed by Frontline. He told them that the Cadillac tax issue was addressed in 2009. Obama knew it was going to be a problem, and they all agreed to lie about it.

    An excerpt from his Frontline interview is below.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Y_e00NjQvFM



    What Jonathan Gruber is taking heat for right now, was planned out specifically with Barack Obama. It wasn’t just him. It was all of them, with Obama in the room taking part.

    From Jonathan Gruber’s Frontline interview in June 2012.

    The next time I see him is summer 2009. The big issue there is that he really wants to make sure I’m moving forward on cost control. I think that at this point he sort of knew we had a good plan on coverage, but he was worried on cost control. So we had a meeting in the Oval Office with several experts, including myself, on what can we do to get credible savings on cost control that the Congressional Budget Office would recognize and score as savings in this law.

    And that was a meeting — it was very exciting, once again, because the economists in the room all said the number one thing you need to do is you need to take on the tax subsidy to employer-sponsored insurance. We need one minute of background on this. The way employer-sponsored insurance works is, if you get paid in wages, you get taxed. If you get paid in health insurance, you do not. …

    So this tax subsidy economists have been railing against for decades, it’s super-expensive. We forego about $250 billion per year in tax revenues. It’s regressive — the richer you are, the bigger tax break you get. And it’s inefficient because it causes people to buy excessive health insurance. So everyone in the room said, “You want something that is real cost control that we know it will work, go after this.”

    Now, the problem is, it’s a political nightmare, … and people say, “No, you can’t tax my benefits.” So what we did a lot in that room was talk about, well, how could we make this work? And Obama was like, “Well, you know” — I mean, he is really a realistic guy. He is like, “Look, I can’t just do this.” He said: “It is just not going to happen politically. The bill will not pass. How do we manage to get there through phases and other things?” And we talked about it. And he was just very interested in that topic.

    Once again, that ultimately became the genesis of what is called the Cadillac tax in the health care bill, which I think is one of the most important and bravest parts of the health care law and doesn’t get nearly enough credit. I mean, this is the first time after years and years of urging — and the entire health policy, there was not one single health expert in America who is setting up a system from scratch, would have this employer subsidy in place. Not one.

    So after years and years of us wanting to get rid of this, to finally go after it was just such a huge victory for health policy. And I’m just incredibly proud that he and the others who supported this law were willing to do it. …
    UPDATE: WHITE HOUSE DENIES GRUBER, WHITE HOUSE LOGS PROVE GRUBER WAS TELLING TRUTH

    The White House reached out to left wing reporters at Talking Points Memo to deny Gruber had a role, saying Gruber didn’t “work” at the White House. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...imple-not-true

    In the Frontline interview, Gruber says, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...nathan-gruber/

    “The next time I see him is summer 2009. The big issue there is that he really wants to make sure I’m moving forward on cost control. I think that at this point he sort of knew we had a good plan on coverage, but he was worried on cost control. So we had a meeting in the Oval Office with several experts, including myself, on what can we do to get credible savings on cost control that the Congressional Budget Office would recognize and score as savings in this law.”
    Was Gruber lying? Was he in the Oval Office with the President in the summer of 2009, talking about how to game the CBO numbers?




    He was. On July 20, 2009, Jonathan Gruber meets with POTUS in the West Wing. He was there almost four hours.

    Obama was at the center of this deception. He specifically ordered Gruber and other “healthcare experts” to find ways to game the CBO numbers so that the bill would pass. In his gleeful showboating over passing the bill, Jonathan Gruber has clearly identified President Obama as the source of the lie behind the Cadillac Tax. The story is no longer about Jonathan Gruber. It’s about the deliberate lie the President used to pass this monstrosity of a healthcare law.


    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014...e-was-created/

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    Nancy Pelosi claimed today she didn’t know who ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber is, after several tapes surfaced showing him gloating about how the law was written to take advantage of the “stupidity of the American voter.”


    But watch the comparison between her claims today and her remarks in November of 2009 – where she mentions Gruber by name. http://fxn.ws/1uqqsTu


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    He says people need to get their priorities in line, and cut off cable and cell phones in order to afford an outrageously expensive healthcare plan that isn't that good. Has he ever told WIC, food stamp or unemployment recipients to get priorities in line and cut the cable and cell phone off before they get assistance? Answer is.....NO! He has not. What a hypocrite. Can he cut his family vacations please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge View Post
    ObamaCare Architect Boasts: The Law Was Passed Thanks to the ‘Stupidity of the American Voter’
    By Kyle Becker - 6 hours ago


    One of the Obamacare architects, Jonathan Gruber, clarifies what he and instrumental healthcare reform advocates like him think about the American people.

    Enough said.

    Video at link : http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/2002...merican-voter/



    Obamacare Architect Admits Deceiving Americans to Pass Law
    Video Team / November 09, 2014



    In a newly surfaced video, one of Obamacare’s architects admits a “lack of transparency” helped the Obama administration and congressional Democrats pass the Affordable Care Act. The conservative group American Commitment posted Jonathan Gruber’s remarks, reportedly from an Oct. 17, 2013, event, on YouTube.

    “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” says the MIT economist who helped write Obamacare. “And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.”



    http://dailysignal.com/2014/11/09/ca...cans-pass-law/
    Well friends, today Jonathan Gruber, you know him, the guy who thinks we Americans are just too stupid to understand Obamacare, will be testifying before the House Oversight Commettee. Now, sometime today, courtesy of Diane Feinstein, the public will be able to see how bad the CIA tortured our enemies. Now this is the same government, folks, that wouldn't allow us to see the photos of a dead Bin Laden , but they feel it's OK to see and hear CIA tortures. Wonder which one will offset the other ? With Christmas coming up and so many people out shopping , our benevolent government has chosen this time to tell the world about our vicious torture of muslims ! But, you know, they can get away with things like this, because we're just TOO STUPID to figure things like this out !
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    americans are stupid because we elected people who put americans up against a wall with a gun to their head and said you can buy obamacare and suffer because you will not be able to afford medical care because of large deductibles and premiums or else you don't buy obamacare and you will suffer from your pocketbook...so which way do you choose to suffer?

    bin laden - wasn't he the man who O referred to when he said "we killed bin laden"? is he now regretting this killing? should he not regret the killing of innocent men, women and children killed by a US drone?

    why does this administration choose now to be transparent? could it have anything to do with the democratic embarrassment of their defeat in november? heck we still have not heard the report on bergdahl the man who O traded 5 taliban for. what about all the gitmo prisoners who have been released so that they might one day again kill americans? when he released them he should have given them obamacare!

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    Harvard Ideas on Health Care Hit Home, Hard

    For years, Harvard’s experts on health economics and policy have advised presidents and Congress on how to provide health benefits to the nation at a reasonable cost. But those remedies will now be applied to the Harvard faculty, and the professors are in an uproar.

    Members of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, the heart of the 378-year-old university, voted overwhelmingly in November to oppose changes that would require them and thousands of other Harvard employees to pay more for health care. The university says the increases are in part a result of the Obama administration’s Affordable Care Act, which many Harvard professors championed.
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    The faculty vote came too late to stop the cost increases from taking effect this month, and the anger on campus remains focused on questions that are agitating many workplaces: How should the burden of health costs be shared by employers and employees? If employees have to bear more of the cost, will they skimp on medically necessary care, curtail the use of less valuable services, or both?

    “Harvard is a microcosm of what’s happening in health care in the country,” said David M. Cutler, a health economist at the university who was an adviser to President Obama’s 2008 campaign. But only up to a point: Professors at Harvard have until now generally avoided the higher expenses that other employers have been passing on to employees. That makes the outrage among the faculty remarkable, Mr. Cutler said, because “Harvard was and remains a very generous employer.”

    In Harvard’s health care enrollment guide for 2015, the university said it “must respond to the national trend of rising health care costs, including some driven by health care reform,” in the form of the Affordable Care Act. The guide said that Harvard faced “added costs” because of provisions in the health care law that extend coverage for children up to age 2, offer free preventive services like mammograms and colonoscopies and, starting in 2018, add a tax on high-cost insurance, known as the Cadillac tax.

    Richard F. Thomas, a Harvard professor of classics and one of the world’s leading authorities on Virgil, called the changes “deplorable, deeply regressive, a sign of the corporatization of the university.”

    Mary D. Lewis, a professor who specializes in the history of modern France and has led opposition to the benefit changes, said they were tantamount to a pay cut. “Moreover,” she said, “this pay cut will be timed to come at precisely the moment when you are sick, stressed or facing the challenges of being a new parent.”

    The university is adopting standard features of most employer-sponsored health plans: Employees will now pay deductibles and a share of the costs, known as coinsurance, for hospitalization, surgery and certain advanced diagnostic tests. The plan has an annual deductible of $250 per individual and $750 for a family. For a doctor’s office visit, the charge is $20. For most other services, patients will pay 10 percent of the cost until they reach the out-of-pocket limit of $1,500 for an individual and $4,500 for a family.
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    Previously, Harvard employees paid a portion of insurance premiums and had low out-of-pocket costs when they received care.

    Michael E. Chernew, a health economist and the chairman of the university benefits committee, which recommended the new approach, acknowledged that “with these changes, employees will often pay more for care at the point of service.” In part, he said, “that is intended because patient cost-sharing is proven to reduce overall spending.”

    The president of Harvard, Drew Gilpin Faust, acknowledged in a letter to the faculty that the changes in health benefits — though based on recommendations from some of the university’s own health policy experts — were “causing distress” and had “generated anxiety” on campus. But she said the changes were necessary because Harvard’s health benefit costs were growing faster than operating revenues or staff salaries and were threatening the budget for other priorities like teaching, research and student aid.

    In response, Harvard professors, including mathematicians and microeconomists, have dissected the university’s data and question whether its health costs have been growing as fast as the university says. Some created spreadsheets and contended that the university’s arguments about the growth of employee health costs were misleading. In recent years, national health spending has been growing at an exceptionally slow rate.

    In addition, some ideas that looked good to academia in theory are now causing consternation. In 2009, while Congress was considering the health care legislation, Dr. Alan M. Garber — then a Stanford professor and now the provost of Harvard — led a group of economists who sent an open letter to Mr. Obama endorsing cost-control features of the bill. They praised the Cadillac tax as a way to rein in health costs and premiums.

    Dr. Garber, a physician and health economist, has been at the center of the current Harvard debate. He approved the changes in benefits, which were recommended by a committee that included university administrators and experts on health policy.

    In an interview, Dr. Garber acknowledged that Harvard employees would face greater cost-sharing, but he defended the changes. “Cost-sharing, if done appropriately, can slow the growth of health spending,” he said. “We need to be prepared for the very real possibility that health expenditure growth will take off again.”

    But Jerry R. Green, a professor of economics and a former provost who has been on the Harvard faculty for more than four decades, said the new out-of-pocket costs could lead people to defer medical care or diagnostic tests, causing more serious illnesses and costly complications in the future.

    “It’s equivalent to taxing the sick,” Professor Green said. “I don’t think there’s any government in the world that would tax the sick.”

    Meredith B. Rosenthal, a professor of health economics and policy at the Harvard School of Public Health, said she was puzzled by the outcry. “The changes in Harvard faculty benefits are parallel to changes that all Americans are seeing,” she said. “Indeed, they have come to our front door much later than to others.”
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    But in her view, there are drawbacks to the Harvard plan and others like it that require consumers to pay a share of health care costs at the time of service. “Consumer cost-sharing is a blunt instrument,” Professor Rosenthal said. “It will save money, but we have strong evidence that when faced with high out-of-pocket costs, consumers make choices that do not appear to be in their best interests in terms of health.”

    Harvard’s new plan is far more generous than plans sold on public insurance exchanges under the Affordable Care Act. Harvard says its plan pays 91 percent of the cost of services for the covered population, while the most popular plans on the exchanges, known as silver plans, pay 70 percent, on average, reflecting their "actuarial value.”

    "None of us who protested was motivated by our own bottom line so much as by the principle,” Ms. Lewis said, expressing concern about the impact of the changes on lower-paid employees.

    In many states, consumers have complained about health plans that limit their choice of doctors and hospitals. Some Harvard employees have said they will gladly accept a narrower network of health care providers if it lowers their costs. But Harvard’s ability to create such networks is complicated by the fact that some of Boston’s best-known, most expensive hospitals are affiliated with Harvard Medical School. To create a network of high-value providers, Harvard would probably need to exclude some of its own teaching hospitals, or discourage their use.

    “Harvard employees want access to everything,” said Dr. Barbara J. McNeil, the head of the health care policy department at Harvard Medical School and a member of the benefits committee. “They don’t want to be restricted in what institutions they can get care from.”

    Although out-of-pocket costs over all for a typical Harvard employee are to increase in 2015, administrators said premiums would decline slightly. They noted that the university, which has an endowment valued at more than $36 billion, had an unusual program to provide protection against high out-of-pocket costs for employees earning $95,000 a year or less. Still, professors said the protections did not offset the new financial burdens that would fall on junior faculty and lower-paid staff members.

    “It seems that Harvard is trying to save money by shifting costs to sick people,” said Mary C. Waters, a professor of sociology. “I don’t understand why a university with Harvard’s incredible resources would do this. What is the crisis?”

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    who do they think they are? government employees? LOL they are no different then our own government elected officials who not only voted for obamacare but emphatically have endorsed it. tables turn when they are personally affected so what is good for the goose is not good for the gander? Harvard has the highest paid profs (article from 2012 http://www.businessinsider.com/harva...fessors-2012-4) yet i guess they count their pennies. I would like to remind them that what they spend on medical costs which include insurance is tax deductible......the only way it might not be a plus is if they do not have enough deductions to itemize or their deductibles surpass what is allowed (which I assume is not the case since they have a luxury plan so out of pocket expenses would be minimal). will i shed tears for them? heck NO! wait until they have to pay a luxury tax on their health insurance LOL. perhaps they should have a lie down protest thru out harvard just like they like to endorse any other protest action. should someone step on them instead of over them, then perhaps they will comprehend how the rest of america feels when government steps on them!
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    Dems run away from Obamacare penalty they imposed
    By Byron York | February 23, 2015 | 7:35 pm

    The Democrats who wrote and passed the Affordable Care Act were sure of two things: The law had to include a mandate requiring every American to purchase health insurance, and it had to have an enforcement mechanism to make the mandate work. Enforcement has always been at the heart of Obamacare.

    Now, though, enforcement time has come, and some Democrats are shying away from the coercive measures they themselves wrote into law.

    The Internal Revenue Service is the enforcement arm of Obamacare, and with tax forms due April 15, Americans who did not purchase coverage and who have not received one of the many exemptions already offered by the administration are discovering they will have to pay a substantial fine. For a household with, say, no kids and two earners making $35,000 a piece, the fine will be $500, paid at tax time.

    That's already a fact. What is particularly worrisome to Democrats now is that, as those taxpayers discover the penalty they owe, they will already be racking up a new, higher penalty for 2015. This year, the fine for not obeying Obamacare's edict is $325 per adult, or two percent of income above the filing threshold, whichever is higher. So that couple making $35,000 a year each will have to pay $1,000.

    RELATED ARTICLE: States move toward more enrollment periods for Obamacare

    There's another problem. The administration's enrollment period just ended on February 15. So if people haven't signed up for Obamacare already, they'll be stuck paying the higher penalty for 2015.

    By the way, Democrats don't like to call the Obamacare penalty a penalty; its official name is the Shared Responsibility Payment. But the fact is, the lawmakers' intent in levying the fines was to make it so painful for the average American to ignore Obamacare that he or she will ultimately knuckle under and do as instructed.


    Except that it's easier to inflict theoretical pain than actual pain. Tax filing season is enlightening many Americans for the first time about the "mechanics involved" in Obamacare's fee structure, Democratic Rep. Lloyd Doggett wrote to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services on December 29. "Many taxpayers will see the financial consequences of their decision not to enroll in health insurance for the first time when they make the Shared Responsibility Payment."

    That is why Doggett, who has since been joined by fellow Democratic Reps. Sander Levin and Jim McDermott, asked the administration to create a new signup period for anyone who claims ignorance of the penalty. On Friday, the administration complied, creating a "special enrollment period" from March 15 to April 30.

    To be eligible, according to an administration press release, people will have to "attest that they first became aware of, or understood the implications of, the Shared Responsibility Payment after the end of open enrollment … in connection with preparing their 2014 taxes."

    It's not the most stringent standard: Just say you didn't know. But even with that low bar, a significant number of Americans will decide not to enroll in Obamacare. For some, it's the result of a financial calculation; paying the fine is cheaper than complying. Others are unaware. Maybe a few are just defiant.

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    Obamacare penalty payers ask, 'Where's my refund?'
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