on the news they said if you get a income tax refund you have to take there insurance and if you dont on top of the fines they will keep your tax refund
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on the news they said if you get a income tax refund you have to take there insurance and if you dont on top of the fines they will keep your tax refund
wow, that's one way to get people to make them pay for it... alot of people will say hell no about taking their tax returns! Especially the people that get back THOUSANDS! I am just fine with choice for the American people, but MAKING it and FORCING mandatory health care is another thing! I truely wish things like this that concern us the American people would be brought to us for OUR vote. I understand that health ins. is a huge issue, and many many want it/need it!!, but the government is taking away our choice to choose if we want it or not. I want choice, not forcement! This is what it sounds like to me anyway. That being said, I hope they have something cheap enough for me to afford.
found this article cute~
http://www.aolnews.com/healthcare/ar...eform/19411608
Yes,I support President Obamacare 100 % :dancing:
" Another win for President Obama " :dancing:
...and another loss of Freedom and choice for the people.....:(Quote:
Originally Posted by candygirl
The fees, fines, and taxes will begin in this quarter. The vast majority benefits will not kick in until at least 2014....Quote:
Bahet They're going to hire thousands of IRS agents? Cool, maybe I'll apply then we won't be homeless, jobless, without insurance, and stranded in Europe come June. How is the creation of thousands of jobs a bad thing? For that matter, how is your adult child being able to stay on your policy until they are 26 or a child's preexisting conditions not being allowed to come into play a bad thing? How is making insurance companies put 80% of money towards health care instead of a new jet for the CEO a bad thing? Adults will have to wait a while for the real benefits to kick in. For now, though, the children will benefit. Isn't the right all about helping the innocent? Or do children suddenly lose that innocence once they are born?
If you wanted to buy a car ... and signed the deal... you start paying your note immediately ... but can not drive the car for four years... would you take that deal ??
Try reading this : http://finance.yahoo.com/news/5-Over...44017.html?x=0
Sure insurance company stocks rose, their initial profits will skyrocket because they can rasie premiums starting January 1, 2011 in anticipation of the new mandates taking affect. Drug companies (thanks a bunch Billy Tauzin) also profit from the increases they will see by adding 25 million people to their ... See Morecurrent purchaser pool. Let's see, the government is adding 25 million people to the list already getting government assisted medical services, big insurance and huge pharma stand to profit, doctors and hospitals are on board, ummmm? Could it be that the American Middle Class will have to foot the bill for both the wealthy and the poor?
Income taxes also started out being paid by the "extremely wealthy" (In 1913, the top tax rate was 7% on incomes above $500,000 ($10 million 2009 dollars)), and today persons earning $34,000 hand over 25% of their income. Don't be surprised to find that $250,000 ceiling gets lowered as Congress learns this "costs" more than expected.
Here is what I got out of reading the bill:Quote:
Originally Posted by candygirl
Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!)
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry)
Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The Govt will ration your health care!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!)
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)
Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees ANDtheir families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exemptfrom individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees)
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead)
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.)
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!)
Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)
Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20...latchy/3459040
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Originally Posted by pepperpot
The Obama/Dem cheerleaders love to use the "but ... it's for the children ..." as a rallying cry. Here's a fact : hundreds of thousands of children who already qualify for SCHIP healthcare ARE NOT SIGNED UP for the program... that is why they are classified as "uninsured/underinsured". Instead of all this "reform" which is more about gainging control ... why not try harder to get these children on the EXISTING programs ??Quote:
For now, though, the children will benefit. Isn't the right all about helping the innocent? Or do children suddenly lose that innocence once they are born?
Did the system need fixing ? YES.
Is this the way ?? NO.
Obama Will Kill Tens Of Thousands Of Americans...By DesignQuote:
Originally Posted by candygirl
http://hindenblog1.blogspot.com/2010...thousands.html
In what must be the most cynical, politically motivated aspect of ObamaCare, many tens of thousands of Americans will be killed. By design.
How can I say such a thing? Well, I apply Obamic numbers to Obamic policy. Simple.
According to widely published scare "statistics", used constantly by Obami collectivists, 45,000 Americans die each year for lack of health care. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58G6W520090917
But, by cynical calculated design, ObamaCare does not begin to really kick in until 2014. They had to do that to cook the numbers, so that revenue was generated prior to benefits being due. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...he_senate.html
That leaves us this calculation: 45,000 x 4 years = 180,000 dead Americans.
Of course, that doesn't count the millions of Americans left uncovered by ObamaCare's non-universal universal coverage.
Obama lied...Americans died.
If it was so desperate a situation, so crucial it be passed RIGHT NOW !! ... why does it take FOUR YEARS to have benefits kick in ??
If it is such a WONDERFUL program .... why is Congress and this Administration exempt from their own legislation ??
:hmmmm: :hmmmm: :hmmmm:
:opps:Quote:
For that matter, how is your adult child being able to stay on your policy until they are 26 or a child's preexisting conditions not being allowed to come into play a bad thing?
Congress and the Obama administration seem to have failed to include small details in the health care bill — such as forgetting to make sure it could keep evil insurance companies from denying coverage for kids with preexisting conditions.
Congress and the president were so distracted by the real purpose of the bill that they forgot to include the stated purpose of the bill in the actual bill
Health Bill Written to Stop Evil Insurance Companies From Denying Kids With Preexisting Conditions Doesn’t Exactly Do That
Wasn’t the entire stated point of Obamacare from the git-go that it was “for the children,” and was desperately needed to stop evil insurance companies from denying coverage to kids with preexisting conditions?
This kind of thing “slipping through the cracks” is proof-positive (as if we needed more proof) that this bill was designed with other intentions: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...7rN-AD9EKTKIG0
Rep. Clyburn called the Obamacare bill the “Civil Rights Act of the 21st century.” http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...ts-act-of.htmlQuote:
Hours after President Barack Obama signed historic health care legislation, a potential problem emerged. Administration officials are now scrambling to fix a gap in highly touted benefits for children.
Obama made better coverage for children a centerpiece of his health care remake, but it turns out the letter of the law provided a less-than-complete guarantee that kids with health problems would not be shut out of coverage.
Under the new law, insurance companies still would be able to refuse new coverage to children because of a pre-existing medical problem, said Karen Lightfoot, spokeswoman for the House Energy and Commerce Committee, one of the main congressional panels that wrote the bill Obama signed into law Tuesday.
Well, that comparison would only be valid if the original Civil Rights Act forgot to provide civil rights to anybody.
http://dougpowers.com/2010/03/24/health-bill/
Obama lied. Children denied.
But there’s one thing Congress and the president didn’t forget to put in the Obamacare bill: The taxes and surcharges under the guise of caring about our weight: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2...s-health-care/
The only real medical condition Obamacare might cure is slipped disks, because our backs will be spared the strain of lugging any money around.Quote:
One of the provisions in the new health care law requires small businesses to provide coverage for workers. Such an “employer mandate” has been in place in San Francisco, Calif., for over a year. The mandate has earned mixed reviews at best.
Under the law, businesses with 20 or more employees are required to provide medical coverage, either on their own or by paying into a city-run program. That’s what most restaurants are doing — albeit grudgingly.
To cover the cost, owners are either having to raise their menu prices or tack on a so-called “Healthy Surcharge” onto the tab. At some places, it’s around 4 percent of the check. Others charge a flat fee of a dollar or two.
But fortunately San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom is there to remind us that spending more money in the long run will save money, uh, in the long run (?): http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2...s-health-care/
Unless the doctor is working right there in the restaurant, instead of being in an emergency room, said employee will be rotting in line at their Obamacare-designated doctor’s office/muffler shop, so where’s the benefit to the restaurant, its customers, or the taxpayers in general? Besides, I’ve been in emergency rooms before, and I hadn’t noticed that they were continually filled with sous chefs, waitresses and busboys, but maybe I’m just not very observant.Quote:
Some eateries worry they’ll have to let people go, or cut shifts. But Mayor Gavin Newsom gives a different view. A former restaurant owner himself, who lobbied hard for this universal health care program, Newsom argues it’s saving restaurants and taxpayers money, by offering workers preventative care. Newsom argues that this in turn keeps them out of emergency rooms, and on the clock.
It’s strange that many of the people who will be paying the most fat taxes are some of the ones who support Obamacare the most. Conversely, it should baffle Americans even more that politicians (and their wives) who start campaigns like “Let’s Move” spend most of their waking hours and all of future generations’ money to craft schemes that encourage people to do nothing more than lay on the couch all day. People who have to go get things tend to be in better shape than people who have everything brought to them — the science is settled on that. Ah, but this is assuming this all has anything to do with physical health.
We can’t say we weren’t warned:
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The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.”
— Michelle Obama, April 8, 2008
And we’ll let Mayor Newsom play us off with a Frisco coup de grâce about Obamacare — feel free to make your own joke: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2...s-health-care/
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“Businesses get the benefit in the back end,” Newsom says.
I/we have private insurance. Should my husbands company decide to keep it and we can afford it... will we still have to pay a fine for not using the govt insurance?