Who you gonna believe - Obama or Webster ??

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Originally Posted by SurferGirl

Bahet many of us that are pro life have known someone who has had a baby or babies that were born premature. You learn just how valuable that young life is when you watch how hard the doctors and nurses work to save that young life. You try to comfort the babies parents during the time they aren't sure if their precious baby will make it or not. It puts life in a whole different perspective.

Jolie I hope your son is alright and didn't end up with any long term problems.
I'll keep you and your family in my prayers.

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My husband was born in mid August. He was supposed to have been born in mid October. That was before a lot of the medical advances we have today. A 2 month premie baby is at risk today. Back then he really beat the odds.

But at the risk of getting into yet another abortion debate, I'm not talking about 3rd trimester fetuses. IMO, if the mother hasn't made a decision about abortion by about the 16th week then the decision is made for her.

Also, if you know how valuable that young life is, then why don't you want it to be able to have the affordable care that it so desperately needs? :shrug

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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

He would have qualified for Medicaide - had anyone told us to apply for it. By the time we learned it was an option, the 90 deadline for the application had expired. Too bad, so sad, goverment services at work for "the people". I was told pointblank that if we had been a "minority" there were other aid agencies available because there are so many more minority babies born premature.

The "backup" for my family was ourselves and our willingness to pick up and do whate ever needed to be done.

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That's a shame. It really is. It shouldn't matter what your race is.

I'm glad you and your family were able to pick up and do what needs to be done. I'm glad you can afford that nearly quarter of a million $$ even if it's spread out over time. But that isn't the case for many people. I just don't think anyone should ever be put in a situation where they end up bankrupt in order to save their child's life.

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Can you qualify that please ??

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I just did. I don't believe that in a country like the United States that a person should end up bankrupt if they or their child gets sick. I do not believe anyone truly cares about other people if they have no problem with a situation like that and their "solution" is to tell them to pull themselves up. You are doing it. That's wonderful. But until that debt is paid off you are in a precarious situation.

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Originally Posted by Bahet

. I The reality is someone with diabetes or asthma or high blood pressure isn't going to get private insurance. The reality is very few people who have no income can afford $1000+ per month. The reality is very few people with no income want to be that way.

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That statement is NOT true. Because when my dh's boss was going to get us on private health ins and then pay us my dh was accepted and he has high blood pressure. Has had it for about 6 years. And our ins. with all my health issues and medications as well was going to cost us $400 with wellmark BCBS. And that was a good policy. So if people got a decent policy (which is probably all you will get with the goverment) if would be ALOT cheaper.

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Originally Posted by whatever

That statement is NOT true. Because when my dh's boss was going to get us on private health ins and then pay us my dh was accepted and he has high blood pressure. Has had it for about 6 years. And our ins. with all my health issues and medications as well was going to cost us $400 with wellmark BCBS. And that was a good policy. So if people got a decent policy (which is probably all you will get with the goverment) if would be ALOT cheaper.

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What part isn't true? You got accepted. Ok, and that $400 premium was how often exactly? Did it cover both of you or just your DH? How long ago?

We pay more than that with DH's health insurance which is with a multi billion dollar company. Whe DH got home from Iraq we had no insurance. I sought out private insurance before he got home because I knew we'd be screwed. I knew America wasn't going to do more than provide lip service with regards to taking care of the troops. Our youngest was on a nebulizer he used whenever he got sick as he'd get wheezy. The absolute cheapest plan I could find to cover our family of 4 was $1150. For our $1150 we got no optical or dental and had to pay the 1st $5000 of medical expenses in the year.

I just did a quick online quote. For our family of 4, non smokers for at least a year, no maternity coverage, no health problems including being overweight, and a $10,000 deductible we could get for $265. In fact, not one of the quotes given covered maternity care. You can add it. But it will cost you and it won't kick in until the deductible is met. One person's obesity alone will at least double the premium. Smoking will typically triple it if not more. Our quote when DH was coming home from Iraq was high because he smoked a few times over there and we were both technically over weight.

So please, give me more details about this insurance company you have. We have no major health issues and (no offense) but I believe we're younger than you as well. I'd love to be able to cover our family with good insurance for such a low amount should the need ever arise. I have a few clients who could really use that information right now as they have no insurance due to being laid off.

Ok I have to chime in here. My son has mild cerebral palsy and my husband and I have been though ALOT trying to get him the help he needs like Braces for his legs,Speech therapy,Physical therapy and now the meds to control his seizures. We have BCBS and we still pay alot out of pocket for him. With this being said I agree with Bahet if you know how valuable that young life is, then why don't you want it to be able to have the affordable care that it so desperately needs?

I am not a fan of Obama but, I do have enough compassion to want to help others get the heathcare they need and can afford.

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Originally Posted by Bahet

And that's all anyone realy wants. The system we have right now is not friendly, fair, or affordable.

I don't want my tax dollars going to support some welfare crack whore popping out dozens of kids with dozens of men and claiming she can't work because of stress. But I have no problem at all with my tax dollars going to make sure the families of our returning reservists have coverage they can afford. I have no problem at all with my tax dollars going to help the family of the engineer who was laid off from a good job but cannot get aid because he has a house that is worth too much money. IMO, that's money well spent.

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It's not all 'anyone' wants. There are many who feel they should not contribute one iota to their own medical coverage or health costs. Others hedge and play the odds saying that they could take that $500-$1,000 per month premium (using numbers thrown around here)...that's $6,000-$12,000 per year and pay for Doctor's visits out of pocket and be ahead....and so they do....until something catastrophic comes along that they are not prepared for. And still others just walk about with no conscience at all about someone else carrying them.

As far as the engineer with a good salary getting laid off....there is cobra to hold him over for a bit (granted not cheap but an option)..... What if he never finds a 'good' job?...Are you willing to subsidize him indefinitely so he can live in his nice house which is worth 'too much money'? (Meanwhile 'you' may be renting.) I'm not, let him sell his house and move into a more reasonable residence that he can afford until he can rebuild himself back up to the level he was once at..... Just like the stock market, sometimes you lose your principal and have to restart all over.

I'd rather see that guy adjust his lifestyle than to lay his burden upon an already overburdened family who chose a lesser value house to have more of a cushion should he come across a 'rainy day'......

It's not a punishment, but taking responsibility for yourself and not burdening others. The 'punishment' in this case, would be for the person who lived/lives conservatively who must now further bear the burden of someone else's 'misfortune' who wants nothing in their life to change (aka unemployed guy in nice house).

I have always said there is room in our current health care system for improvement and there are cracks that some people fall through despite their best efforts. The system is not a bad one, it just needs tweaking....as well as changes to other 'programs' in our country that tend to 'dump' into the healthcare system and create further problems (illegals being one of them, there are many).

"Socialized" healthcare is just putting a bandaid on the symptom of the real problems. Tackle the 'real problem' and 'healthcare' will fall in line with a bit of tweaking.

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Originally Posted by loris520

Ok I have to chime in here. My son has mild cerebral palsy and my husband and I have been though ALOT trying to get him the help he needs like Braces for his legs,Speech therapy,Physical therapy and now the meds to control his seizures. We have BCBS and we still pay alot out of pocket for him. With this being said I agree with Bahet if you know how valuable that young life is, then why don't you want it to be able to have the affordable care that it so desperately needs?

I am not a fan of Obama but, I do have enough compassion to want to help others get the heathcare they need and can afford.

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I feel for you. There should be some sort of 'safety net' for those who have some sort of 'disability' to help them cope with situations such as yours/your child's. I do not believe Obama's plan is the right one, although through the added pressure from the opposition it is morphing a bit.....but I don't agree with his basic ideology.

There are so many safety nets out there and it really is a shame that some fall through but don't change our whole system. Also, so many don't take into consideration the cost of the medical care. Your medical insurance needs to cover what people usually use and also some for the catastrophic medical problems. If it's a government plan we know it will be way more expensive in the long run. Now don't forget they already put in the schip so all children can be covered.

People have to realize just how much tax we already pay. It's more than just what you pay the fed. gov. look every time you buy things you are paying sales tax and you also have state income tax and property tax. There is tax on your phone bill and your power bill and every time you buy a tank of gas.

Many small businesses end up going under because they can't afford to pay their taxes.

Remember the government wastes your money.

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I just did. I don't believe that in a country like the United States that a person should end up bankrupt if they or their child gets sick. I do not believe anyone truly cares about other people if they have no problem with a situation like that and their "solution" is to tell them to pull themselves up.

You are doing it. That's wonderful. But until that debt is paid off you are in a precarious situation.

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I will be paying off those medical bills for years ... but it is MY situation.
My solution is to have cheapie dial up internet on a 386 computer running Win 95, no cell, no cable, eating day old bread and discount meat, wearing thrift store shoes and hand me down clothes because I don't see why anyone is responsible for my bills but me & mine....

By your assessment everyone at BBS should send me $50 to go towards that medical debt ... wether they want to or not; if they can afford to or not... so ... anyone who wants to donate ... er mandate ... send me a PM.
I'll be holding my breath ... :blue:

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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

He would have qualified for Medicaide - had anyone told us to apply for it. By the time we learned it was an option, the 90 deadline for the application had expired. Too bad, so sad, goverment services at work for "the people". I was told pointblank that if we had been a "minority" there were other aid agencies available because there are so many more minority babies born premature.

The "backup" for my family was ourselves and our willingness to pick up and do whate ever needed to be done.



Can you qualify that please ??

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I know that here in Georgia as well as up home in Ohio, they come to your room and talk to you about options if your insurance runs out, or you aren't covered, etc. They encourge you to apply and help you with the application and everything. Thats really to bad they didn't tell you to apply.

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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

I will be paying off those medical bills for years ... but it is MY situation.
My solution is to have cheapie dial up internet on a 386 computer running Win 95, no cell, no cable, eating day old bread and discount meat, wearing thrift store shoes and hand me down clothes because I don't see why anyone is responsible for my bills but me & mine....

By your assessment everyone at BBS should send me $50 to go towards that medical debt ... wether they want to or not; if they can afford to or not... so ... anyone who wants to donate ... er mandate ... send me a PM.
I'll be holding my breath ... :blue:

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Exactly my point,People in your shoes shouldn't have to struggle.Why can't everyone have the healthcare that they need?I don't get to pick where my tax money goes.If I did,You would def. get some of mine.If it were possible to pick where our tax dollars go I would put mine in healthcare for everyone that needs it.Despite what everyone seems to think of me,I am not a greedy person at all.I just wish everyone needing coverage actually got it.
I know it has been said before but how sad that the people who despise abortion always expect people to be responsible for their own.
Unless you want to help the whole village keep your opinion to yourself(not directed to you Jolie,just things I am thinking of).

ETA:What if someone with no money,no insurance had a child who needed an expensive operation to live?Would you want them to get it?Would you fight it because it is YOUR money?Does it matter if you know the child?What if it is YOUR child?Do you gracefully not accept help?Or do you hope real,caring people will do whatever it takes to help your child?