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    Question Senate Bill SB-2099 H.R.45 : Fact or Fiction ?

    Subject: Guns listed next tax return - Fact or Fiction ?

    Now 'all Guns' must be listed on your next (2010) tax return! As if we didn't have enough to get upset about!If you have a gun, I hope it isn't registered!

    Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal tax form all guns that you have or own. It will require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun. | This bill was introduced on Feb.. 24, 2009, by the Omama staff. BUT . . This bill will only become public knowledge 30 days after the new law becomes effective ! This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act O f
    1986. This means that the Finance Committee has passed this without the Senate voting on it at all. Trust Obama ? ..... You must be kidding ! |

    The full text of the IRS amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage,U.S. Senate You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099. | You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know.|

    <Text of H.R.45 as Introduced in House: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - U.S.... OpenCongress Obama's Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. If it passes, gun owners will become criminals if you don't fully comply. It has begun . .. . Whatever Obama's secret Master Plan is....this is just the 'tip of the iceberg!'

    Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.

    Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the government is trying to fly it under the radar as a 'minor' IRS revision, and, as usuual, the 'political' lawmakers did not read this bill befre signing and approving it !

    To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

    Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

    -It is registered -You are fingerprinted -You supply a current Driver's License -You supply your Social Security # -You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing -Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail. -There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. -They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. In prison.

    If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this.

    This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.

    This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not..

    The results are as usual - mixed.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/taxreturns.asp

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar.../aa091900a.htm

    http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=359830

    First, a search of current legislation at http://thomas.loc.gov/ finds no Senate bill 2099.

    Second, the statements in the forwarded email are absolutely wrong in several respects.


    This bill was introduced on Feb.. 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law.

    However the more recently submitted HR45 reveals different results :

    <Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) : http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...bby+L.))+01003)) H.R.45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - U.S. Congress

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/11057958/H...e-Act-of-2009-

    <H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009
    (GovTrack.us) http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45

    H.R. 45: 111th CongressThis is a bill in the U.S. Congress originating in the House of Representatives ("H.R."). A bill must be passed by both the House and Senate and then be signed by the President before it becomes law.

    Bill numbers restart from 1 every two years. Each two-year cycle is called a session of Congress. This bill was created in the 111th Congress, in 2009-2010.

    Summary : 1/6/2009--Introduced.

    Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements.

    Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system.

    Prohibits: (1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions; (2) a licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act; (3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours; (4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; or (5) keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury.

    Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act.

    Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse; (2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and (3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer.

    Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems.

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...45&tab=summary

    Full Text : http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...d?bill=h111-45
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    This email was passed around in 200 with the Bush Administration as the Bad Guy

    Email: "Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2000 1040 federal tax Form all guns that you have or own."

    No, it won't. What the bill would require if it becomes law is the registration of all handguns. Its title is: "The Gun Registration and Safety Act of 2000." There is indeed a provision for a tax on all registered weapons, but it has nothing to do with your federal income tax forms and everything to do with establishing a national database of handgun owners.

    Email: "This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law."

    Nonsense. It has been public knowledge ever since its introduction. Gun rights groups such as the National Rifle Association have been monitoring its progress (or lack thereof) closely and have referenced it in legislative alerts.

    Email: "This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all."

    Poppycock. The law would involve a revision of the Internal Revenue Act, yes, but this bill has to go through standard Senate protocols before it can be passed. Besides, didn't a previous sentence just say it would become public knowledge only after it is "voted into law?"

    Email: "Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know to help STOP this bill!!"

    By all means protest this bill, or support it, if you feel moved either way. But be aware that nobody — including its main sponsor — expects the unpopular proposal to survive committee, let alone pass both houses of Congress. Even the National Rifle Association rates S. 2099 a low priority, having stated as recently as August 25, 2000: "While NRA opposes this legislation, there is no real threat of it passing at this time. Please continue to focus your energy on pending legislation in the U.S. House, and especially, in the U.S. Senate, that poses immediate threats to our freedoms."

    Machiavellian schemes

    Conspiracy theories play well on the Internet and have a time-honored place in the debate over gun control in the United States. A significant number of Second Amendment defenders not only argue but seem to sincerely believe that the only real reason gun control laws exist is to pave the way to a totalitarian state.
    Within this world view it makes sense to believe that Machiavellian schemes are afoot; that anti-gun forces seek to bypass the rule of law to pass covert legislation of which the populace will only become aware when it's too late. The rumor under discussion fits right into this paradigm, more than making up for what it lacks in truth value with high drama verging on hysteria. In under a month of circulation, the email has already prompted hundreds of queries to Congressional offices from concerned but misled citizens across the U.S. If the author(s) of the email intended to stir up a fuss, they have accomplished their mission.

    Lest anyone seek to justify the spread of misinformation by arguing that it's still good for the gun-rights cause because it rouses people to action, I hasten to point out that it has also roused the opposing side. In fact, GunRegistration.org, an association dedicated to enacting registration laws, now flaunts a color-coded critique of the fallacious email on its website and is using it to drum up support for the very bill it was designed to quash.

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    Like the chain letters say: "What goes around comes around."
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    I really hope this is just a bad joke. I know most people are against guns because they have this fairytale idea that if we make it harder to get them legally the criminals will also have a hard time getting them.
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    Clearing Up the Rumors: The Truth About The “Gun Tax Bill”

    Friday, May 29, 2009

    In the last few weeks, NRA-ILA has received hundreds of e-mails warning us about “SB-2099,” a bill that would supposedly require you to report all your guns on your income tax return every April 15.

    Like many rumors, there’s just a grain of truth to this one. Someone’s recycling an old alert, which wasn’t even very accurate when it was new.

    There actually was a U.S. Senate bill with that number that would have taxed handguns—nine years ago. It was introduced by anti-gun Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.), and it would have included handguns under the National Firearms Act’s tax and registration scheme. This has nothing to do with anyone’s Form 1040, of course.

    Fortunately, S. 2099 disappeared without any action by the Senate, back when Bill Clinton was still in the White House. We reported about it back then, just as we report about new anti-gun bills every week. Now, it’s time for gun owners to drop this old distraction and focus on the real threats at hand.






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    When I was 21, I got an FOID card and considered buying a gun. I went to the local PD and asked about laws, registration, etc. I was told by the Lieutenent on duty, whom I know and trust, I did NOT have to register my gun(s) like in Chicago. I asked why and is reply was this.....

    If a goup of deviants decided to take over, they could take control of the PD and if this happened and we had to register our guns, then they would know which residents had guns, where they lived and what kinds of guns they had. They could, in theory, then go to those homes and commedier the citizens and take their weapons.

    I remember saying, well Bud, that was his name, that does not say much for the Bridgeview police now does it. He said, the cops are on the street, not in the station. If they were organized enough and had the man power and money, anything is possible. He was well ahead of our time.

    This was over 25 years ago. Before all these groups have invaded our land and the safety we used to feel.

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