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    Obama outlines health care plan for all

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama, providing the first real details on how he wants to reshape the nation's health care system, urged Congress on Wednesday toward a sweeping overhaul that would allow Americans to buy into a government insurance plan.

    In a letter to two senators leading the health care debate, Obama also moved toward accepting a REQUIREMENT for every American to buy health insurance, as long as the plan provides a "hardship waiver" to exempt poor people from having to pay.
    And there it is!! Wonder what will be 'poor' in this bill??? Whoever isn't and doesn't have health insurance will be FORCED to purchase it under this bill.

    And he gave a little insight into how the health care cuts would be made:
    He said he'd do it through such measures as better managing chronic diseases and avoiding unnecessary tests and hospital readmissions. Savings from such measures are uncertain.
    Handle chronic illnesses with LESS testing and hospital admissions? CAN you say RATIONED HEALTH CARE?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by anothersta View Post
    And there it is!! Wonder what will be 'poor' in this bill??? Whoever isn't and doesn't have health insurance will be FORCED to purchase it under this bill.

    And he gave a little insight into how the health care cuts would be made:


    Handle chronic illnesses with LESS testing and hospital admissions? CAN you say RATIONED HEALTH CARE?????
    It has been that way here in Ma for quite awhile.

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    I don't see how that will help if you can't afford it now you want be able to then either. Unless its really cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovecats View Post
    It has been that way here in Ma for quite awhile.
    Yes, close to 3 years I think. Mitt Romney signedit into law. It's done on a scale according to your pay and those that already get free MassHealth will still remain on it.
    It's kept me working a lot more then I'd like, lol. I could work every hour of the day because now that everyone in the state is insured, we need more qualified healthcare professionals. It's created a job boom in the healthcare field.
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    Does MASS tax your health care benefits from your job to pay for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedygirl View Post
    Yes, close to 3 years I think. Mitt Romney signedit into law. It's done on a scale according to your pay and those that already get free MassHealth will still remain on it.
    It's kept me working a lot more then I'd like, lol. I could work every hour of the day because now that everyone in the state is insured, we need more qualified healthcare professionals. It's created a job boom in the healthcare field.
    How have health care wages been affected ?

    Also going back a while.....in hospitals where they were looking to 'make cuts', they took away some of the nursing duties and hired 'less qualified' (meaning non-nurses) to handle some of the responsibilities of patient care. It was scary. Some of those people barely spoke English, had very little training or understanding of 'patient care'....it wasn't their fault, they were just cheap labor and hospitals looked to save by delegating some responsibilities. End result, patient care went downhill, as things which would've been 'caught' (recognized) by the nurse being familiar with their patient was now being overlooked as they spent way less time with the patient. And the nurses became so overworked and overburdened by the increased responsibility and workload to cover more patients at a 'high' level of care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anothersta View Post
    And there it is!! Wonder what will be 'poor' in this bill??? Whoever isn't and doesn't have health insurance will be FORCED to purchase it under this bill.

    And he gave a little insight into how the health care cuts would be made:


    Handle chronic illnesses with LESS testing and hospital admissions? CAN you say RATIONED HEALTH CARE?????
    Do you realizehow many times one test gets ran on someone(if you have surgery?) I went to my GP he did blood work, urinalyis, and a culture. Sent me the very next day to the OB, they did the same blood work and urine test. Three days after that I was referred to a urologist, who again did blood work, and urine test. If the left hand would tell the right hand what it is doing it would stop some needless testing. I had 3 ct scans in a period of 3 days...overkill.
    My MIL has been in the hospital numerous times and stays for weeks. All becausethe docs give her meds, she goes to another doc, more meds, she gets septic, etc and they put her in the hospital, unnecassarily. See they need to correct the way doctors communicate with one another. These docs and hospitals are only interested in more money.Testing and hospitalizations bring in good money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pepperpot View Post
    How have health care wages been affected ?

    Also going back a while.....in hospitals where they were looking to 'make cuts', they took away some of the nursing duties and hired 'less qualified' (meaning non-nurses) to handle some of the responsibilities of patient care. It was scary. Some of those people barely spoke English, had very little training or understanding of 'patient care'....it wasn't their fault, they were just cheap labor and hospitals looked to save by delegating some responsibilities. End result, patient care went downhill, as things which would've been 'caught' (recognized) by the nurse being familiar with their patient was now being overlooked as they spent way less time with the patient. And the nurses became so overworked and overburdened by the increased responsibility and workload to cover more patients at a 'high' level of care.
    I got a 7.5% raise in April. I work in private practice. The hospital in which I do occasional per diem is staffed adequately and has a large per diem staff to cover vacations and illness. We all got raises this year. Patient care is consistant and MA is one of leaders in the nation in healthcare standards. PCA'a are only allowed to take vitals and assist with basic care. They have to be trained, certified and do a numbe of assisted hours on the floor before they're allowed to work on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anothersta View Post
    Does MASS tax your health care benefits from your job to pay for it?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massach...Reform_Statute
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeMary View Post
    Do you realizehow many times one test gets ran on someone(if you have surgery?) I went to my GP he did blood work, urinalyis, and a culture. Sent me the very next day to the OB, they did the same blood work and urine test. Three days after that I was referred to a urologist, who again did blood work, and urine test. If the left hand would tell the right hand what it is doing it would stop some needless testing. I had 3 ct scans in a period of 3 days...overkill.
    My MIL has been in the hospital numerous times and stays for weeks. All becausethe docs give her meds, she goes to another doc, more meds, she gets septic, etc and they put her in the hospital, unnecassarily. See they need to correct the way doctors communicate with one another. These docs and hospitals are only interested in more money.Testing and hospitalizations bring in good money.
    You think being septic DOESN'T require hospital care??

    I'd put my dog in the hospital for that. YOU could've told the doc the tests have already been done if you didn't want them done again.

    I've worked in the medical field, I KNOW medical equipment and how operator technique is everything.

    Retesting is a safety issue and a 'making sure the last test was correct' issue. Everything doesn't necessarily show up on the FIRST test and sometimes the SECOND. DH had to have THREE Lyme disease tests before it started showing up.

    My shepherd had 2 blood tests for his kidneys when he was younger to verify the first one was correct. Many of the dogs have multiple mange scrapes when they first get here to verify boo boos aren't mange.

    And lucky for me, my veterinarian has agreed to be my primary care physician if the universal health care goes through, so I'LL still have good healthcare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anothersta View Post
    And lucky for me, my veterinarian has agreed to be my primary care physician if the universal health care goes through, so I'LL still have good healthcare.

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