Thread: this lady must have done her homework......

oh well made for some interesting reading either way lol

while i DON'T believe all i read about him, I DO know he does NOT have enough experience to run this country. Its like taking someone who has been working in the mailroom for a couple years and making them CEO of a huge corporation. Does that make sense either? And people are willing to bank on it.
All because he keeps using the word "change"
He is promising the same crap bush did and look where we are? in a recession. Gas is $4 or higher, groceries are up %25 etc.
He can promise change till the cows come home. Even experts are saying he has no way to back up any of his promises. And on that note neither does MCcain.

Originally Posted by whatever

He is promising the same crap bush did and look where we are? in a recession. Gas is $4 or higher, groceries are up %25 etc.

Ummm he's not president yet...He didn't 'do' anything or 'failed on promises' or whatever...

Jesse Ventura had a good idea a few weeks ago about having a 'No Confidence" box on this years ballot.. The 2 that are going to be running aren't great choices..
Neither was picking John Kerry for the last election.... but eh

Originally Posted by whatever

while i DON'T believe all i read about him, I DO know he does NOT have enough experience to run this country. Its like taking someone who has been working in the mailroom for a couple years and making them CEO of a huge corporation. Does that make sense either? And people are willing to bank on it.
All because he keeps using the word "change"
He is promising the same crap bush did and look where we are? in a recession. Gas is $4 or higher, groceries are up %25 etc.
He can promise change till the cows come home. Even experts are saying he has no way to back up any of his promises. And on that note neither does MCcain.

yeah my dad always told me dont believe anything you hear and only 1/2 of what you see.....then again I heard that from him wonder if I shouldnt have believed it lol

I think what I distrust most are when they are very vauge in their answers to some HUGE questions posed to them........like wheneve Bill Clinton was running REPS came out and said he raised taxes in Arkansas 125 times.......Clinton's ppl came out and said that was a lie.......that was ALL they ever said about it.......just for the record Clinton did NOT raise taxes 125 times it was ONLY 124 times (but they didnt offer that info of course) LOL

Originally Posted by sdb_ngc

Originally Posted by flute

republicans will stop at no ends to bring down democrats.
This I have learned.

It is kinda funny though

I agree I agree

I treasure the implication that Democrats would never ever use their own bag of "Dirty Tricks"..... :rotfl:

Originally Posted by freeby4me

I didnt see one person say Democrats wont/dont do that stuff.

The statement I quoted clearly implies that Republicans are the villians and Democrats are the victims. Had the statement been : Politicians will stop at no ends to bring down each other then that would be a truer statement which I doubt anyone here would dispute.

But Bahet is right. How many blatantly false emails like this are going around about McCain?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/gettingtoknow.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/mccainsons.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/cindy.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/mccain.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/raddatz.asp

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/mccain.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/carroll.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/piehigher.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/change.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig...alsecurity.asp

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/rumors.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/connelly.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/museum.asp

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/canadianview.asp

I have also received a few that haven't made it to Snopes yet...

But you don't even have to go that far ... you could just read THIS thread :

Originally Posted by wizard67

I am new. Hope this is ok to post.

John McCain is a maverick senator, Vietnam veteran and former prisoner of war for 5 years in North Vietnam. In 2000, he nearly beat George W. Bush by being an outspoken, even honest politician, which stunned everybody. He also is known for crafting bipartisan approaches to issues such as smoking and campaign reform.

This time around though, at 71, he apparently decided "now or never" and seems to have sold his soul, suddenly adopting a bunch of boilerplate conservative positions he was brave enough to resist 8 years ago. Now, conveniently, he's even claiming to be a Baptist instead of an Episcopalian.

It didn't look like anyone was buying it for a while there, but danged if he hasn't come back and pretty much sewed up the Republican nomination. McCain went from front runner to 3rd or 4th in various polls, spent all of his huge pile of cash and lost most of his staff, and worked his way back into a dominant position.

Here are some negative allegations:


Affairs -- Religion Shopping -- A Junkie Wife -- Keating 5 -- Mafia Ties -- Quotes -- Sources
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That New Time Religion
John McCain grew up Episcopalian. He went to an Episcopalian high school. For at least 15 years, he has been listed as an Episcopalian in authoritative directories such as the Almanac of American Politics and Congressional Quarterly's Politics in America 2008. He told a reporter from McClatchy News Service in June 2007 that he was an Episcopalian.
Suddenly, in September 2007, he's campaigning in South Carolina, the heavily Baptist state where George W. Bush barely managed to stop McCain's presidential campaign 8 years ago. And guess what? McCain tells a reporter "By the way, I'm not Episcopalian. I'm Baptist."

When pressed, he said he's attended the North Phoenix Baptist Church in Arizona for more than 15 years, though he has never been baptized in that church. Now see, that's exactly the problem. Baptism is kind of a big thing in the Baptist Church. (That's how they got the name.) No baptism, not Baptist.

Anyway, details aside, this is one very clear indication of how McCain has changed. Now, he's just another hungry politician, happy to pander if it helps him win. Which eliminates the very reason people were excited about him in 2000 -- his honesty.


Founding Member of the Keating Five
Back in the old days, defendants in famous trials got numbers -- the Chicago Eight, the Gang of Four, the Dave Clark Five, the Daytona 500. McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.
Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)

Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."


Mafia ties:
In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Another politician to send regrets was Governor Fife Symington, who has since been kicked out of office and convicted of 7 felonies relating to fraud and extortion.

Family Problems
McCain has a reputation as a politician who has difficulty keeping his pants zipped, according to Republican sources. He acknowledges that his adultery broke up his first marriage. His second wife Cindy, the daughter of a wealthy Budweiser beer distributor, was addicted to prescription narcotics and even stole hard drugs from a medical charity that she ran. McCain acknowledges that she didn't want him to run, and only agreed once he promised that she doesn't have to go to New Hampshire or Iowa.