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New "Immigration Bill" Poll
A survey conducted May 30-June 3 by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found overwhelming support — among two-thirds of the public — for giving illegal immigrants citizenship if they have jobs, pass background checks and pay fines. But people were fairly ill-informed about the complex Senate measure, which less than one-third said they had heard a lot about.
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Mixed Views on Immigration Bill
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Released: June 7, 2007
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The public is ambivalent about the immigration bill being debated by the Senate. Most Americans favor one of its key objectives, but the bill itself draws a mostly negative reaction from those who have heard about it. Just a third of those who have heard something about the bill favor it, while 41% are opposed, and a relatively large minority (26%) offers no opinion.
Yet one of the bill's primary goals - to provide a way for people who are in this country illegally to gain legal citizenship under certain conditions - wins broad and bipartisan support. Overall, 63% of the public - and nearly identical numbers of Republicans, Democrats and independents - favor such an approach if illegal immigrants "pass background checks, pay fines and have jobs."
The debate over immigration has focused in part on whether the bill currently before Congress amounts to a grant of amnesty for people who are in the U.S. illegally. In general, the public is less supportive of providing "amnesty" for illegal immigrants than it is of providing a way for illegal immigrants to gain citizenship. Even so, a majority of Americans (54%) say they favor amnesty for illegal immigrants already in the country if they pass background checks and meet other conditions.
The way in which the issue is characterized has a significant effect on Republican views. While 62% of Republicans favor "providing a way for illegal immigrants currently in the country to gain legal citizenship," support declines sharply when the concept of amnesty is raised. However, even when the policy is described as "providing amnesty" for illegal immigrants, about as many Republicans favor (47%) as oppose (48%) the idea.
The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted May 30-June 3 among 1,503 adults, finds a growing majority of Americans saying increased employer sanctions, as opposed to more border fences and patrols, can best reduce illegal immigration from Mexico. A 55% majority sees increased penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants as the most effective way to stem cross-border immigration, up from 49% a year ago. By comparison, just 25% say increasing the number of border patrol agents is the best solution, and even fewer (7%) see more border fences as the most effective solution.
The survey finds that Americans are less impressed now by the Democratic congressional leadership than when the party took control of Congress in January. While approval of the job Democratic leaders are doing has dipped only slightly - from 39% in January to 34% today - disapproval has grown substantially from 34% to 49%. Independents, in particular, express a much more negative opinion of Democratic congressional leaders. Fully 58% disapprove of their job performance, up from 40% in January.
Among Democrats, disapproval of Democratic leaders has approximately doubled since January (from 13% to 27%). Still, a solid majority of Democrats (58%) approve of the job the party's congressional leaders are doing.
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Laissez les bon temps rouler! Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT! Not to be taken internally, literally or seriously ....Suki ebaynni IS THAT BETTER ?
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ok you are the smart one so could you please explain to me what the difference is in amnesty and them being allowed to gain citizenship? I thought if they got amnesty they were on the road to being citizens after that........I swear the more I hear the more confused I get
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I posted the pics from the site to show where I got the selection ... I guess that if they pay the fine, take a trip home to visit before returning that is the POLITICIANS idea of "non-amensty". I also voted for the "Ride Home" option... clearly none of us ( or anyone I know ) were contacted by the organisation conducting the poll. Maybe they had the La Raza phone lists ?Laissez les bon temps rouler! Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT! Not to be taken internally, literally or seriously ....Suki ebaynni IS THAT BETTER ?
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Amnesty? What amnesty?
Critics substitute fear for facts
Fri Jun 8, 7:00 AM ET
Opponents of the immigration compromise being hotly debated in the Senate wield the word "amnesty" like a club, as if repeating it over and over constitutes rational argument.
Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., displays the word prominently on his presidential campaign website and describes amnesty variously as a "travesty" and a "catastrophe." CNN's Lou Dobbs invokes the word so often (six times in the introduction of his Wednesday broadcast alone) you'd think his anchor seat was under imminent threat from border-jumping TV hosts.
Such is the politics of fear, and if it is deplorable, it is also effective.
Although polls show that most Americans support giving illegal immigrants a path to citizenship, the bipartisan immigration bill was in trouble Thursday evening. Never mind that what it offers is not amnesty at all. Never mind either that defeating it - thereby retaining the current system - means that the 12 million illegal entrants already here will stay. It's fear that counts, not reason.
This is what the critics call amnesty:
Over time, illegal immigrants would have to pay fines and fees of more than $9,000 (plus thousands more for each family member). They'd have to prove they're working and have no significant criminal record. They'd have to learn English and American civics. And, if they want legal permanent residence, they'd have to return to their home country to apply for it there. Getting a green card would take at least eight years, citizenship at least 13.
Some amnesty.
In a perfect world, it might be reasonable to say that everyone here illegally should be deported. Law breaking, obviously, cannot be ignored. But if that were possible at all - which is very dubious - the cost would run far into the billions.
And for what?
Most immigrants work hard. They came to make better futures for themselves and their families. They have put down roots and are vital to the American economy. Even small crackdowns produce wails from employers who can't find replacement workers.
Ask detractors to stop braying "amnesty" for a minute and offer an alternative, and the response is too often the sort of non-answer Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney gave during Tuesday's GOP debate on CNN. Romney proposed "to enforce the law … that was passed in 1986."
Alas, that ship has sailed. It's simply not feasible to go back to start over - or to suddenly make it so difficult for illegals to work here that 12 million people magically self-deport, leaving restaurants, hotels and millions of small businesses with a crippling labor shortage.
And, oh yes, the 1986 legislation included an amnesty - a real one.
The critics should instead focus their efforts on a more legitimate goal: Making sure this reform includes both the means and the funding to keep millions more illegal immigrants from coming. If the federal government follows through aggressively - a big if, given the abject failure of the 1986 bill's enforcement provisions - the nation could get control over its borders and its workplaces.
The time to keep 12 million illegals who are here now out of the country was long ago. Maintaining the status quo is, as Sen. John McCain and others have said, simply a matter of "silent amnesty."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...KPvzZE0z.s0NUE
It's 1986 all over again
By David Vitter
Fri Jun 8, 7:00 AM ET
In studying the immigration bill on the floor of the Senate, my overriding question has been: Does it repeat the fatal mistakes of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act? That bill was supposed to solve our illegal immigration problem once and for all. Instead, it quadrupled it - from more than 3 million illegal aliens in this country then to more than 12 million today.
Why? Two reasons. The '86 bill provided amnesty for millions here illegally and lacked strong enforcement. Those fatal flaws combined to create a magnet for more illegal border crossings with inadequate enforcement to stop them. Unfortunately, the latest bill repeats those fundamental mistakes.
Black's Law Dictionary defines amnesty as a "pardon extended by the government to a group or class of persons, usually for a political offense," and even gives the 1986 act as a textbook example. Again in this year's bill, the federal government would forgive an entire class of lawbreakers with the Z visa provision. As in 1986, they'd have to pay a few fines and take other modest action. But they would never have to leave the country or spend one day in jail.
Supporters of the bill argue that those who came to this country illegally would have to go to the back of the line before they could become citizens. But Z visas make a mockery of that assertion. It's hardly the back of the line to wait in this country and enjoy its benefits, while those at the front of the line wait for years outside our borders.
The current immigration bill has enforcement triggers that must be met before the Z visas are implemented. But this is highly misleading, too, because the triggers include only a fraction of the measures necessary to truly enforce the law. The trigger provisions are completely silent on critical elements, such as ensuring that visa holders leave the country when their visas expire and that we actually detain illegals we find.
In sum, this bill is amnesty with inadequate enforcement. How can we repeat the mistakes of '86 and expect different results?
Sen. David Vitter is a Republican from Louisiana.
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And for what?
Most immigrants work hard. They came to make better futures for themselves and their families. They have put down roots and are vital to the American economy. Even small crackdowns produce wails from employers who can't find replacement workers. ( who will for penneis and not complain no matter the conditions ... )
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I wonder how the rich ppl and companies hiring all the illegals are gonna like it when they are finally here for good legally.........BECAUSE then they will NOT work for small wages, they will walk out until they get more money. They always say that they work for so little and never complain (I sort of missed that part when they were taking off work and protesting in OUR streets) Once they have more options they will be the biggest strikers of this country wait and see. At least they will effect the rich.........oh no wait that will effect me too mine be able to find a job that will pay me enough to cover a baby sitter and gas lol
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I voted to send them back home.
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