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    And unfortunatly for you the majority of this country wanted him to be President of this wonderful country. There is nothing that you can do about it.
    Let's see. Obama won the popular vote 52.9/45.6%, with the media cheering him on and refusing to ask hard questions, hundreds of millions of dollars raised through questionable credit card tactics, and the inability of anyone to question him for fear of being called a racist. I guess that makes him President-for-Life, means that conservatives are on their way to oblivion, and prohibits anyone from critising or poking fun at him or his party.

    Sorry, but this isn't Venezuela... yet.
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    Circuit advertisement Seperation of Church and State ? Compare and contrast...
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    http://catholiccitizen.stblogs.com/2...very-american/
    Surfergirl,
    I don't see why Catholics should be in charge of American traditions?
    Do you remember making this statement?

    "The liberals just don't get it and according to them we should all think exactly like them or they turn around and get hateful and then accuse us of hate."

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    Surfergirl: I know it is probably pointless to even say this, but here goes anyway:
    It is not your opinions that are wrong, it is the way you are going about it. You are constantly drilling down the rest of our throats that your way is the only way, and then calling the rest of us hateful when we don't agree. It is like this is your personal pet peeve and you have to consistently bring it up daily and more. 99% of the time I don't agree with what you say, but I respect that your feelings are different than mine. Your opinion is not wrong, just different. What gets to me is that it is always the same thing over and over, no matter what the original topic of the thread, your feelings for Obama enter into it somehow. It might be time to let go of this.
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    For your information this was a day for all faiths and not just one.
    Every faith has participated before and even atheist were included to pray to their higher power. I know the atheist started protesting this tradition but is was never about any one faith. Remember our country was founded by people who wanted freedom of religion.

    Perhaps if BHO was legally elected and showed his birth certificate and also his college transcripts I'd let up. Perhaps if we could stop funding his group ACORN. Perhaps if he didn't reverse many of the good things that were done during the Bush administration. Many people fought hard to end late term abortion. Perhaps if BHO would stop nominating the most radical people he can find. Perhaps if BHO could nominate anyone that wasn't a tax cheat.

    Maybe I would cut him a little slack. Sure Bush made mistakes and wasn't always perfect but no body ever cut him any slack.

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    But, this thread was about the separation of church and state, and was going very smoothly I might add, until you came in here an made it about the president. He is not the one who separated church and state, so what does he have to do with it?
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    Just curious as to how his college transcripts and birth certificate pertain to the National Day of Prayer festivities?
    OBAMA/BIDEN '08.....It's time for change!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cSoReNSoN View Post
    Just curious as to how his college transcripts and birth certificate pertain to the National Day of Prayer festivities?
    Because he is an evil man who hates Americans?

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    Abortion anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge View Post
    Let's see. Obama won the popular vote 52.9/45.6%, with the media cheering him on and refusing to ask hard questions, hundreds of millions of dollars raised through questionable credit card tactics, and the inability of anyone to question him for fear of being called a racist. I guess that makes him President-for-Life, means that conservatives are on their way to oblivion, and prohibits anyone from critising or poking fun at him or his party.

    Sorry, but this isn't Venezuela... yet.
    Oh so the answer is going on a freebie board and spewing hate??? Thats the way to "fix" it?
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    If we want talk about the founding fathers, most of them were not Christians and the Tripoli Treaty article 11 states the US is a secular nation.



    http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/s...7/secular.html


    George Washington
    Much of the myth of Washington's alleged Christianity came from Mason Weems influential book, "Life of Washington." The story of the cherry tree comes from this book and it has no historical basis. Weems, a Christian minister portrayed Washington as a devout Christian, yet Washington's own diaries show that he rarely attended Church.

    Washington revealed almost nothing to indicate his spiritual frame of mind, hardly a mark of a devout Christian. In his thousands of letters, the name of Jesus Christ never appears. He rarely spoke about his religion, but his Freemasonry experience points to a belief in deism. Washington's initiation occurred at the Fredericksburg Lodge on 4 November 1752, later becoming a Master mason in 1799, and remained a freemason until he died.

    To the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789, Washington said that every man "ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience."

    After Washington's death, Dr. Abercrombie, a friend of his, replied to a Dr. Wilson, who had interrogated him about Washington's religion replied, "Sir, Washington was a Deist."

    Thomas Jefferson
    Even most Christians do not consider Jefferson a Christian. In many of his letters, he denounced the superstitions of Christianity. He did not believe in spiritual souls, angels or godly miracles. Although Jefferson did admire the morality of Jesus, Jefferson did not think him divine, nor did he believe in the Trinity or the miracles of Jesus. In a letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787, he wrote, "Question with boldness even the existence of a god."

    Jefferson believed in materialism, reason, and science. He never admitted to any religion but his own. In a letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, 25 June 1819, he wrote, "You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."

    John Adams Adams, a Unitarian, flatly denied the doctrine of eternal damnation. In a letter to Thomas Jefferson, he wrote:

    "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"

    In his letter to Samuel Miller, 8 July 1820, Adams admitted his unbelief of Protestant Calvinism: "I must acknowledge that I cannot class myself under that denomination."

    In his, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" [1787-1788], John Adams wrote:

    "The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.

    ". . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."

    James Madison
    Called the father of the Constitution, Madison had no conventional sense of Christianity. In 1785, Madison wrote in his Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments:

    "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

    "What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."

    Benjamin Franklin

    Although Franklin received religious training, his nature forced him to rebel against the irrational tenets of his parents Christianity. His Autobiography revels his skepticism, "My parents had given me betimes religions impressions, and I received from my infancy a pious education in the principles of Calvinism. But scarcely was I arrived at fifteen years of age, when, after having doubted in turn of different tenets, according as I found them combated in the different books that I read, I began to doubt of Revelation itself.

    ". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a through Deist."

    In an essay on "Toleration," Franklin wrote:

    "If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. These found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here [England] and in New England."

    Dr. Priestley, an intimate friend of Franklin, wrote of him:

    "It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin's general good character and great influence should have been an unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to make others unbelievers" (Priestley's Autobiography)

    Thomas Paine

    This freethinker and author of several books, influenced more early Americans than any other writer. Although he held Deist beliefs, he wrote in his famous The Age of Reason:

    "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. "

    "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by SurferGirl View Post
    For your information this was a day for all faiths and not just one.
    Every faith has participated before and even atheist were included to pray to their higher power. I know the atheist started protesting this tradition but is was never about any one faith. Remember our country was founded by people who wanted freedom of religion.

    Perhaps if BHO was legally elected and showed his birth certificate and also his college transcripts I'd let up. Perhaps if we could stop funding his group ACORN. Perhaps if he didn't reverse many of the good things that were done during the Bush administration. Many people fought hard to end late term abortion. Perhaps if BHO would stop nominating the most radical people he can find. Perhaps if BHO could nominate anyone that wasn't a tax cheat.

    Maybe I would cut him a little slack. Sure Bush made mistakes and wasn't always perfect but no body ever cut him any slack.
    Ummm... Atheists don't have a higher power.......
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