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buglebe
08-25-2010, 10:05 PM
National/WorldMiners found alive will be stuck for monthsMonday, August 23, 2010
Chile's President Sebastian Pinera holds up a plastic bag containing a message, from miners trapped in a collapsed mine, that reads in Spanish "We are ok in the refuge, the 33 miners" in Copiapo, Chile, Sunday Aug. 22, 2010. The miners have been trapped below the surface of the mine since the main access collapsed on Aug. 5 due to tons of falling rock. (AP Photo/Hector Retamal)

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August 23, 2010 (COPIAPO, Chile) -- For 33 men found alive after 17 days trapped deep in a copper and gold mine, the toughest challenge now may be preserving their sanity during the months it may take to carve a tunnel big enough for them to get out.

For their families above ground, euphoria was joined by anxiety Monday after a sleepless night and the realization that the miners may be stuck underground until around Christmas.

"We didn't sleep. We stayed up all night long hoping for more news. They said that new images would appear, so we were up hoping to see them," said one, Carolina Godoy.

Dawn broke behind a cold fog on the surface of the gold and copper mine in Chile's Atacama desert, where an intense rescue effort finally reached the miners on Sunday after weeks of missteps, new cave-ins and other false starts.

Now the plan is to drill a wider tunnel, just big enough for the men to be pulled out one by one. That equipment that works more slowly, so officials estimate it could take until December to rescue them.

A narrow drill broke through 2,257 feet (688 meters) of solid rock Sunday to reach the emergency refuge where the miners have gathered. The trapped men quickly tied two notes to the end of a probe that rescuers pulled to the surface, announcing in big red letters: "All 33 of us are fine in the shelter."

"Today all of Chile is crying with excitement and joy," President Sebastian Pinera said at the mine.

And where many were beginning to give up hope, the scene above ground became a celebration Sunday night, with a barbecue for the miners' families, roving musicians, lit candles and Chilean flags making the barren landscape seem festive.

The men already have been trapped underground longer than all but a few miners rescued in recent history. Last year, three miners survived 25 days trapped in a flooded mine in southern China, and two miners in northeastern China were rescued after 23 days in 1983. Few other rescues have taken more than two weeks.

The miners' survival after 17 days is very unusual, but since they've made it this far, they should emerge physically fine, said Davitt McAteer, who was assistant secretary for mine safety and health at the U.S. Labor Department under President Bill Clinton.

"The health risks in a copper and gold mine are pretty small if you have air, food and water," McAteer said.

Still, he said the stress of being trapped underground for a long period of time can be significant.

"There is a psychological pattern there that we've looked at," McAteer said. But "they've established communication with the guys; there are people who can talk them through that."

The hole already drilled will be used to send down small capsules containing food, water and oxygen if necessary, and sound and video equipment so the miners can better communicate with loved ones and rescuers. That two-way communication may be key to keeping them thinking positive.

A video camera lowered down the probe shaft Sunday showed some of the miners, stripped to the waist in the underground heat, waving happily. But they weren't able to establish audio contact, Pinera said.

"I saw eight or nine of them. They were waving their hands. They got close to the camera and we could see their eyes, their joy," the president said.

The miners seemed to be aware that their rescue may take a long time, according to one of them, Mario Gomez, perhaps the eldest of the trapped men at 63, who wrote a note to his wife.

"Even if we have to wait months to communicate. ... I want to tell everyone that I'm good and we'll surely come out OK," Gomez wrote, scrawling the words on a sheet of notebook paper the miners tied to the probe. "Patience and faith. God is great and the help of my God is going to make it possible to leave this mine alive."

Mine officials and relatives of the workers had hoped the men reached a shelter below where the tunnel collapsed Aug. 5 at the San Jose gold and copper mine about 530 miles (850 kilometers) north of the capital, Santiago. But they had said the shelter's emergency air and food supplies would last only 48 hours.

Gomez wrote that the miners used vehicles for light and a backhoe to dig a channel to retrieve underground water.

It was unclear whether their air supply was in danger of running out.

Rescuers had drilled repeatedly in an effort to reach the shelter, but failed seven times. They blamed the errors on the mining company's maps. According to Gomez's note, at least some of those earlier probes were close enough that the trapped miners heard them. The eighth attempt finally worked.

Gomez's note, which the president read aloud on live television, focused on expressions of faith and love for his family. But frustration also showed through in one line, where he declared that "this company has got to modernize."

Chile is the world's top copper producer and a leading gold producer, and has some of the world's most advanced mining operations. But both the company that owns the mine, San Esteban, and the National Mining and Geology Service have been criticized for allegedly failing to comply with regulations. In 2007, an explosion at the San Jose mine killed three workers.

Liliana Ramirez couldn't believe it when Chile's mining minister said her husband had sent a note to his "Dearest Lila."

"I know my husband is strong, and at 63, is the most experienced miner who could lead his co-workers," she said, but she vowed to keep him above ground once he's rescued.

Authorities and relatives of the miners hugged, climbed a nearby hill, planted 33 flags and sang Chile's national anthem after discovering the miners had survived.

Along the length of Chile, horns honked, flags waved and people watched the drama unfold live on television and computer screens. It was a rush of good news in a country still rebuilding from a magnitude-8.8 earthquake Feb. 27 and its resulting tsunami, which together killed at least 521 people and left 200,000 homeless.


(Copyright ©2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

gmyers
08-26-2010, 01:04 AM
I can't. I hope they don't get claustophobia before they get them out. I think I would freak out. I hope they can get them out faster. I'd have a hard time doing that job again after that.

meltodd69
08-27-2010, 02:44 PM
I can't even imagine that. What a nightmare!

jasmine
09-03-2010, 06:19 AM
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/drama-above-ground-as-chilean-miners-await-rescue/19618730

Drama Above Ground as Chilean Miners Await Rescue

(Sept. 2) --
Yonni Barrios may have been feeling trapped long before a landslide sealed him inside a Chilean gold mine last month.

As Barrios awaited rescue along with 32 other miners, his wife and his mistress met each other thousands of feet above, at a vigil for the men stuck in the mine. Marta Salinas, 56, says she heard the other woman calling her husband's name as families gathered to pray for the workers.

Salinas told told The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3121513/Wife-discovers-trapped-miner-has-a-pit-on-the-side.html) in London she was "horrified" but plans to keep her man. "Barrios is my husband. He loves me, and I am his devoted wife. This woman has no legitimacy," she told the British paper.

But the other woman, Susana Valenzuela, said she and the trapped miner will stay together. "We are in love," she told the paper. "I'll wait for him."

The Chilean miners (http://www.aolnews.com/tag/chilean-miners/) have been trapped below the Atacama Desert since Aug. 5 and will likely remain there for months; rescuers have said it could be Christmas before the men are finally freed. But life for the miners and their families has continued to march on anyway, in spite of the 2,300 feet of rock between them.

Not all the news has been so melodramatic. Earlier this week, one miner sent a wedding proposal to his longtime partner. Twenty-five years after the couple wed in a civil ceremony, Esteban Rojas promised Jessica Yanez that she would finally have the big church wedding she had dreamed of.

http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/6/8/684106/1283449526191.JPEG Roberto Candia, AP
Susana Valenzuela holds a photograph of trapped miner Yonni Barrio and a statue of the Virgin Mary at the camp where the relatives of 33 trapped miners wait outside the collapsed San Jose mine in Copiapo, Chile.


"Please keep praying that we get out of this alive. And when I do get out, we will buy a dress and get married," Rojas wrote on a piece of paper, according to a report on CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/30/cnr.04.html). Rescuers managed to pull up the paper from the shaft through a tiny hole that is being used to send food and supplies to the miners.

Yanez was thrilled with the proposal. "He always said he planned to grow old with me, and I plan to grow old with him. Our love is very deep," she said.

The world is getting to know the miners as families paint a portrait of their loved ones. The four children of miner Omar Reygadas are keeping a kind of public diary of their experience with BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11136021) as they wait for their father's rescue. On Wednesday, as the miners ate their first hot meals, Reygadas' son Omar lamented that his father could not receive his favorite dish.

"My dad's favorite food is steak with avocado -- he eats it with lots of avocado," Omar wrote on BBC. "But he hasn't been sent anything like that because the food sent has to first be studied by a nutritionist."

Meanwhile, controversy is deepening over how much information the miners should receive about the lengthy rescue effort and about the world that has continued on without them. Psychologists working for the Chilean government have instructed the families to write letters that will not upset the miners, in the hopes of keeping their spirits high during the long wait.

Not everyone thinks that's a good idea.

Nick Kanas, a professor at the University of California at San Francisco, has studied the emotional toll experienced by astronauts in space. He said it is important to create strong bonds of trust between the men and the rescuers.

"I would not screen anything," he told The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/01/chile-miners-censorship-row) in London. "If you start to do that, you are setting up a base for mistrust. The miners will then ask, 'What else are they hiding from me?'"

That may be the question Marta Salinas is asking as well, as she waits for her husband to emerge from the mine and explain himself. In the meantime, her husband may have a hard time getting into trouble. The miners' requests for alcohol and cigarettes were shot down this week by a team of NASA doctors sent to help the men stay healthy in an inhospitable environment.


"From the alcohol standpoint, we need to first get their nutrition up before we make any considerations there," James Michael Duncan, NASA's deputy chief doctor, told London's Daily Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/chile/7975916/Chilean-miners-requests-for-alcohol-and-cigarettes-turned-down-by-Nasa.html) Wednesday.

buglebe
09-03-2010, 01:26 PM
There are 2 divided opinions also on whether to tell them what is going on. They have not been told how long it is going to take to get them out. They were giving the psychological reasons for telling or not telling. I think they should be told each and every development. They said if they develop mistrust then they won't believe anything they tell them.

pepperpot
09-03-2010, 02:40 PM
I think they'll be fine. Sure, it won't be a picnic for them however, it reminds me of personnel who go out in a submarine for months at a time.

I think that hope is what is going to keep them going.

However, the guy with the wife & girlfriend...he may not be too eager to get out once he hears the gals have met. :lol

Jolie Rouge
08-04-2011, 08:07 AM
A year later, Chile's '33' are mostly unemployed
By EVA VERGARA - Associated Press | AP – 1 hr 57 mins ago

SANTIAGO, Chile (AP) — One of the myths surrounding the 33 miners who were so dramatically rescued after being trapped for 69 days deep inside a Chilean copper mine is that they're all millionaires and no longer need to work.

The truth: nearly half the men have been unemployed since their mine collapsed one year ago Friday, and just one, the flamboyant Mario Sepulveda, has managed to live well off the fame. Most have signed up to give motivational speeches. Four, so far, have gone back underground to pound rock for a living.

"Los 33" have filed negligence lawsuits demanding $10 million from the bankrupt mine's owners and $17 million from the government for failing to enforce safety regulations, but years remain before any payout. Despite rumors that miners got rich off media interviews, most got only paid trips, hotel stays and the kinds of gifts that don't put food on tables. Neither did they profit from the books written about them so far. Only recently did they finally reach a deal with a Hollywood agent for an authorized book and movie, but they have yet to see any money from that, either.

A year after they were buried alive by a mine collapse a half-mile below the surface, the remarkable unity that many credited with helping them survive has fallen victim to misunderstandings over fame and money. Only some plan to join Chile's president, Sebastian Pinera, in Copiapo and at the San Jose Mine on Friday for an anniversary mass and museum inauguration. Sepulveda is among those who want no part of the ceremonies.

All have been hoping that Pinera announce lifelong pensions of about $430 a month for the 33. The government seems willing to pay, but the exact amount has been under negotiation for some time now, several miners told The Associated Press. Many have gotten by until now on the philanthropy of an eccentric millionaire and Chilean mine owner, Leonardo Farkas, who wrote them checks for 5 million pesos (about $10,950), threw them a lavish party and gave each a motorcycle. Farkas then doubled the amount for a miner whose baby was born while he was trapped down below, and another who skipped his baby's birth to attend the party.

Shift foreman Luis Urzua, who kept the men unified when nearly all hope was lost, told the AP that he's saddened by critics of the miners' lawsuits, who say they should simply be grateful they were rescued. "We're very content, very grateful to the government and the president for what they did. We filed this lawsuit so that people understand that everyone has the right to sue when things aren't being done correctly," Urzua said.

Many Chileans don't distinguish between government agencies and the administration of Pinera, which spent as much as $20 million on the rescue only to see his approval ratings drop from 60 percent at their peak to 30 percent today, the lowest of any Chilean president since the nation recovered its democracy in 1990, according to Adimark's monthly tracking poll.

Housewife Cecilia Cruz, for example, told the AP that "the miners are a bunch of ingrates, after all the money the government spent rescuing them."

Pinera has been beset by striking miners, students, teachers, earthquake and tsunami survivors, Mapuche Indians and others marching against his government. While in Copiapo on Friday, he'll also likely face the 240 other San Jose Mine workers who escaped the collapse only to lose their jobs when the mine closed. Many are still unemployed and have only received 40 percent of their severances.

The government has resisted calls to make payments on behalf of the bankrupt mining company, fearful of a precedent that could sap profits from the entire industry, Chile's main revenue source. But the state-owned National Mining Company did lend $1.2 million this week to pay the mine owners' debts to the workers.

Only 19 of the 33 rescued men would see some of this money — the others won't get anything because they worked for outside contractors, or have had most of their salaries paid by the state while on medical leave.

Urzua is among the unemployed. Rather than return to mining, he's among the 25 miners who have signed up to give motivational speeches, and credited a university professor, Ricardo Munoz, for helping them polish their deliveries. "He's one of the few who is working with us without trying to profit from it," Urzua said. "There are a lot of people who have made off handsomely."

The miners were celebrated as heroes worldwide for surviving so long in the dark, hot, wet depths of a mountain weakened by more than a century of mining, with tons of rock above them that was constantly shifting and threatening to bury them forever. Before anyone knew that they had survived the Aug. 15, 2010 collapse, the 33 stretched an extremely meager store of emergency food for 17 days, eating tiny capfuls of tuna fish and sips of outdated milk.

Pinera staked his presidency on their rescue. He formed an expert team and rushed to the scene, offering any resources necessary to bring them out alive. When they were finally pulled out, the world's media converged on the remote desert hilltop, broadcasting Chile's success story to a global audience hungry for good news.

The 33 were deluged with invitations to all-expenses-paid television appearances and vacations to exotic destinations. A few still travel to tell their stories. But most have run out of money and are back to scratching out livings in the dusty, barren, working-class neighborhoods and shantytowns that ring the desert city of Copiapo.

The El Mercurio newspaper reported that 15 are unemployed; seven regularly give motivational speeches; three hawk fruit and vegetables in the street, two have small grocery stores and four have returned underground to pound rock for copper and gold. Others are unable to work due to continuing psychological symptoms, and receive a fraction of their former salaries as government medical payments. Two — Claudio Yanez and Pedro Cortez — said they've had to sell their motorcycles for food. Franklin Lobos, who had tasted fame earlier in life as a professional football player, is coaching in the city's youth leagues, but told Chile's Football Channel he would prefer the anonymity of his life as a mine driver.

Bolivian Carlos Mamami, the only foreigner among the 33, is out of money after his father-in-law tried to charge $33,000 per interview. Edison Pena, who ran in the New York marathon, appeared on U.S. talk shows and is known for his love of Elvis Presley, recently was invited to sing like his idol in Canada, but he confessed to El Mercurio that it has been hard to keep the celebrity-worship going. His wife told the paper that their life "is as dark as the mine was."

Omar Reygadas, 56, told The AP he's focusing on motivational speeches for now, "to show the meaning of teamwork, power and faith." But he said nightmares still keep him up. "I try to read, to tire myself out so that I can sleep well," he said. "But if I'm alone in a closed space, it still makes me anxious — I have to get out and find someone to talk with or distract myself with something."

Sepulveda stood out among the miners by narrating their underground videos, and thrilled viewers worldwide with his ecstatic behavior when he reached the surface. Since then, he has formed a business consulting service, hired a U.S. public relations agent, and filled his calendar with trips around Chile and beyond.

Sepulveda traveled to Washington D.C. with Chilean Foreign Minister Alfredo Moreno for Wednesday's inauguration of a display about the rescue at the Smithsonian Institution. He used the opportunity to defend the miners' lawsuits. "Things should be done properly. If a worker commits a error of this calamity, the company isn't going to think twice" about finding those responsible, Sepulveda said.

http://news.yahoo.com/later-chiles-33-mostly-unemployed-214002680.html?cmp=fb&csShare=true

pepperpot
08-04-2011, 08:22 AM
Housewife Cecilia Cruz, for example, told the AP that "the miners are a bunch of ingrates, after all the money the government spent rescuing them."

WTF?....mind boggling....:headshake...it sound like she's jealous :stunned

Maybe those ingrate miners should go over and sweep the floor for her....