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SHELBYDOG
12-14-2009, 05:09 PM
22 million missing Bush White House e-mails found



By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer Pete Yost, Associated Press Writer – 15 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Computer technicians have found 22 million missing White House e-mails from the administration of President George W. Bush and the Obama administration is searching for dozens more days' worth of potentially lost e-mail from the Bush years, according to two groups that filed suit over the failure by the Bush White House to install an electronic record keeping system.

The two private groups — Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the National Security Archive — said Monday they were settling the lawsuits they filed against the Executive Office of the President in 2007.

It will be years before the public sees any of the recovered e-mails because they will now go through the National Archives' process for releasing presidential and agency records. Presidential records of the Bush administration won't be available until 2014 at the earliest.

Former Bush White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said the 22 million e-mails already had been recovered while Bush was still in office and that misleading statements about the former administration's work demonstrate "a continued anti-Bush agenda, nearly a year after a new president was sworn in."

"The liberal groups CREW and National Security Archive litigate for sport, distort the facts and have consistently tried to create a spooky conspiracy out of standard IT issues," Stanzel said in a statement.

The 22 million e-mails "would never have been found but for our lawsuits and pressure from Capitol Hill," said Anne Weismann, chief counsel for CREW. "It was only then that they did this reanalysis and found as a result that there were 22 million e-mails that they were unable to account for before."

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said the Bush administration had been dismissive of congressional requests that the administration recover the e-mails. Leahy said it was "another example of the Bush administration's reflexive resistance to congressional oversight and the public's right to know."

The tally of missing e-mails, the additional searches and the settlement are the latest development in a political controversy that stemmed from the Bush White House's failure to install a properly working electronic record keeping system. Two federal laws require the White House to preserve its records.

The two private organizations say there is not yet a final count on the extent of missing White House e-mail and there may never be a complete tally.

Meredith Fuchs, general counsel to the National Security Archive, said "many poor choices were made during the Bush administration and there was little concern about the availability of e-mail records despite the fact that they were contending with regular subpoenas for records and had a legal obligation to preserve their records."

"We may never discover the full story of what happened here," said Melanie Sloan, CREW's executive director. "It seems like they just didn't want the e-mails preserved."

Sloan said the latest count of misplaced e-mails "gives us confirmation that the Bush administration lied when they said no e-mails were missing."

The two groups say the 22 million White House e-mails were previously mislabeled and effectively lost.

The government now can find and search 22 million more e-mails than it could in late 2005 and the settlement means that the Obama administration will restore 94 calendar days of e-mail from backup tape, said Kristen Lejnieks, an attorney representing the National Security Archive.

Stanzel, the former White House spokesman, said that the 94 days of e-mails to be recovered from back-up tapes consist of 61 calendar days already planned in the Bush era and an additional 33 days of recovery that the Obama White House have agreed to recover as part of the settlement of the court case.

Sheila Shadmand, another lawyer representing the National Security Archive, said the Obama administration is making a strong effort to clean up "the electronic data mess left behind by the prior administration."

Records released as a result of the lawsuits reveal that the Bush White House was aware during the president's first term in office that the e-mail system had serious archiving problems, which didn't become publicly known until 2006, when federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald disclosed them during his criminal investigation of the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame.

A Microsoft Corp. document on the Bush White House's e-mail problems states that Microsoft was called in to help find electronic messages in October 2003, more than two years before the problem surfaced publicly. October 2003 was the month that the Justice Department began gearing up its criminal investigation into who in the Bush administration leaked the identity of Plame, the wife of Bush administration war critic Joseph Wilson.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091214/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_white_house_e_mail


Sloan said the latest count of misplaced e-mails "gives us confirmation that the Bush administration lied when they said no e-mails were missing."


Not the Bush administration, I can't hardly believe they would lie about something this this.......

whatever
12-14-2009, 06:00 PM
I agree EVERY president should have no secrets. But if I recall Obama didn't want to give up his PERSONAL blackberry. Did he? So I'm sure Bush isn't the first and won't be the last to have "secret" emails and phone calls.

freeby4me
12-14-2009, 06:33 PM
I agree EVERY president should have no secrets. But if I recall Obama didn't want to give up his PERSONAL blackberry. Did he? So I'm sure Bush isn't the first and won't be the last to have "secret" emails and phone calls.

I just did a search and I didnt find anything saying he didnt give it up.

I dont think it would be possible in any way for anything to be "private". It might take awhile, but the truth will come out.

wait a minute, im having a brain fart and cant think. I did not read anything indicating he still had the blackberry. I just cant tell if my first sentence makes sense or not.

SHELBYDOG
12-14-2009, 06:37 PM
I agree EVERY president should have no secrets. But if I recall Obama didn't want to give up his PERSONAL blackberry. Did he? So I'm sure Bush isn't the first and won't be the last to have "secret" emails and phone calls.

I don't believe this article is about Obama & his blackberry & wasn't it BEFORE he took office......
Hardly comparable!


Obama refuses to surrender Blackberry

Despite legal and security hurdles, president-elect Barack Obama says he has a plan to retain his beloved Blackberry once he moves into the White House next week.

Interviewed by CNN Friday, Obama said the smartphone was among the tools that he would use to stay in touch with real Americans and avoid becoming trapped inside the presidential "bubble."

"I think we're going to be able to hang on to one of these. My working assumption, and this is not new, is that anything I write on an email could end up being on CNN," he said.

"So I make sure to think before I press 'send'," he said of his Blackberry, which was an ever-present fixture on his belt or in his hand on the campaign trail.

Obama did not divulge just how he will overcome legal constraints, given the requirement of the post-Watergate Presidential Records Act of 1978 to keep a record of every White House communication.

Nor did he say how he would persuade his Secret Service protectors that the Blackberry does not pose a security risk, for instance if it is hacked over the air.

But Obama, who succeeds the unpopular George W. Bush on Tuesday, said the phone was a valuable part of a wider strategy to escape the White House fishbowl.

"It's just one tool among a number of tools that I'm trying to use, to break out of the bubble, to make sure that people can still reach me," he said.

"If I'm doing something stupid, somebody in Chicago can send me an email and say, 'What are you doing?'

"I want to be able to have voices, other than the people who are immediately working for me, be able to reach out and send me a message about what's happening in America."

The mobile device dilemma may have inadvertently been solved on Friday, as Obama's Blackberry tumbled from his belt as he got out of his limousine and onto his plane in Washington.

A Secret Service agent hurried to pick up the pieces, gathering the Blackberry and battery off the frigid tarmac.
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http://www.bigbigforums.com/news-information/609836-change-you-can-believe-even-if-only-personal-unsecure.html?highlight=Obama%27s+blackberry

whatever
12-15-2009, 09:11 AM
I don't believe this article is about Obama & his blackberry & wasn't it BEFORE he took office......
Hardly comparable!



http://www.bigbigforums.com/news-information/609836-change-you-can-believe-even-if-only-personal-unsecure.html?highlight=Obama%27s+blackberry

It was right before and during taking office and whose to say he still doesn't have it? Like I said Bush isn't the first and I'm sure NOT the last to have secret emails or phone calls. We just don't know about all of them. These just made it to the public.

Bahet
12-15-2009, 01:04 PM
It was right before and during taking office and whose to say he still doesn't have it? Like I said Bush isn't the first and I'm sure NOT the last to have secret emails or phone calls. We just don't know about all of them. These just made it to the public.

Exactly. Just like Nixon had his secrets before they were made public.

gmyers
12-15-2009, 02:47 PM
Who cares. Maybe Obama and his administration ought to do something about whats going on today instead of trying to dig up everything he can about Bush. I think they're doing it to divert peoples attention away from the fact that he hasn't done anything since taking office but constant news conferences.

ahippiechic
12-15-2009, 03:06 PM
Who cares. Maybe Obama and his administration ought to do something about whats going on today instead of trying to dig up everything he can about Bush. I think they're doing it to divert peoples attention away from the fact that he hasn't done anything since taking office but constant news conferences.

Did u read the article? It wasn't 'Obama and his administration'. This started in 2007.

freeby4me
12-15-2009, 04:51 PM
Did u read the article? It wasn't 'Obama and his administration'. This started in 2007.

It was a conspiracy. He knew he would be President so he had them start back then.

gmyers
12-15-2009, 04:59 PM
I stand corrected.

SHELBYDOG
12-17-2009, 01:02 PM
Who cares. Maybe Obama and his administration ought to do something about whats going on today instead of trying to dig up everything he can about Bush. I think they're doing it to divert peoples attention away from the fact that he hasn't done anything since taking office but constant news conferences.

As a US tax paying citizen I care & it is my right to know! The fact that they were trying to hide 22 million emails only makes me more curious & not to mention there's 2 federal laws that require the White House to preserve its records, something Bush/Cheney thought they were above following obviously.



The tally of missing e-mails, the additional searches and the settlement are the latest development in a political controversy that stemmed from the Bush White House's failure to install a properly working electronic record keeping system. Two federal laws require the White House to preserve its records.

gmyers
12-17-2009, 01:38 PM
If it stemmed from not installing a record keeping system. Then maybe it wasn't intentional but just not having the equipment they needed.

SHELBYDOG
12-17-2009, 02:03 PM
If it stemmed from not installing a record keeping system. Then maybe it wasn't intentional but just not having the equipment they needed.

I know if I install or buy anything new in my home or for myself, I test it to make sure it works properly, if it doesn't I return it for an exchange or refund, don't you......
It's not from not installing a record system, it's from not installing a properly working record system.


The tally of missing e-mails, the additional searches and the settlement are the latest development in a political controversy that stemmed from the Bush White House's failure to install a properly working electronic record keeping system

gmyers
12-17-2009, 02:18 PM
Since when does the government ever do anything right.

SHELBYDOG
12-17-2009, 02:25 PM
Since when does the government ever do anything right.

That's the perfect answer for all debates in here, no matter what side your on. ;)

freeby4me
12-17-2009, 03:08 PM
That's the perfect answer for all debates in here, no matter what side your on. ;)

!!!!
Yes yes and yes! Too true, no matter what side you're on, that is too true!

gmyers
12-17-2009, 03:16 PM
If they didn't have the monitoring equipment how do they know that all those emails are missing or were ever written in the first place.

freeby4me
12-17-2009, 06:03 PM
If they didn't have the monitoring equipment how do they know that all those emails are missing or were ever written in the first place.

Because they're politicians.

SHELBYDOG
12-17-2009, 07:05 PM
If they didn't have the monitoring equipment how do they know that all those emails are missing or were ever written in the first place.

Your answer is in the article, Microsoft was called in.


Records released as a result of the lawsuits reveal that the Bush White House was aware during the president's first term in office that the e-mail system had serious archiving problems, which didn't become publicly known until 2006, when federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald disclosed them during his criminal investigation of the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame.

A Microsoft Corp. document on the Bush White House's e-mail problems states that Microsoft was called in to help find electronic messages in October 2003, more than two years before the problem surfaced publicly. October 2003 was the month that the Justice Department began gearing up its criminal investigation into who in the Bush administration leaked the identity of Plame, the wife of Bush administration war critic Joseph Wilson.

And why was Microsoft called in


The 22 million e-mails "would never have been found but for our lawsuits and pressure from Capitol Hill," said Anne Weismann, chief counsel for CREW. "It was only then that they did this reanalysis and found as a result that there were 22 million e-mails that they were unable to account for before."

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said the Bush administration had been dismissive of congressional requests that the administration recover the e-mails. Leahy said it was "another example of the Bush administration's reflexive resistance to congressional oversight and the public's right to know."

The tally of missing e-mails, the additional searches and the settlement are the latest development in a political controversy that stemmed from the Bush White House's failure to install a properly working electronic record keeping system. Two federal laws require the White House to preserve its records.

The two private organizations say there is not yet a final count on the extent of missing White House e-mail and there may never be a complete tally.

Meredith Fuchs, general counsel to the National Security Archive, said "many poor choices were made during the Bush administration and there was little concern about the availability of e-mail records despite the fact that they were contending with regular subpoenas for records and had a legal obligation to preserve their records."

"We may never discover the full story of what happened here," said Melanie Sloan, CREW's executive director. "It seems like they just didn't want the e-mails preserved."

Sloan said the latest count of misplaced e-mails "gives us confirmation that the Bush administration lied when they said no e-mails were missing."

The two groups say the 22 million White House e-mails were previously mislabeled and effectively lost.

SHELBYDOG
12-17-2009, 07:47 PM
It was right before and during taking office and whose to say he still doesn't have it? Like I said Bush isn't the first and I'm sure NOT the last to have secret emails or phone calls. We just don't know about all of them. These just made it to the public.

The emails won't be made public until 2014 at the earliest & since Bush isn't the 1st to have secret emails or phone calls, this makes it right or okay.......

gmyers
12-17-2009, 07:53 PM
I guarantee if all the presidents records and emails were looked into they all have done things they shouldn't. And I bet when Obama's out of office they'll find out things his administration did too. All politicians do things they don't want the public to find out about. Its not right but I bet it goes on in all the presidents terms in office.

SHELBYDOG
12-17-2009, 08:05 PM
I guarantee if all the presidents records and emails were looked into they all have done things they shouldn't. And I bet when Obama's out of office they'll find out things his administration did too. All politicians do things they don't want the public to find out about. Its not right but I bet it goes on in all the presidents terms in office.

I definately agree with you there, but originally you said Obama was diverting peoples attention with this from the fact he wasn't doing anything but news conferences.
Bush wasn't doing news conferences bc he was doing to much emailing & searches, 22 million+ is alot, even in 8yrs. ;) LMAO!

gmyers
12-17-2009, 08:09 PM
I imagine a lot of the emails were done by people that worked for him not just by him.

SHELBYDOG
12-17-2009, 08:14 PM
And I imagine Obama's new conferences seem overwhelming bc Bush/Cheney kept everything behind closed doors.

gmyers
12-17-2009, 08:25 PM
Not overwhelming just boring. It seems like he's still campaigning. He's won already. He can stop campaigning now.