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janelle
08-27-2009, 10:30 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32555445/ns/us_news-the_elkhart_project/

With 1.5 million set to lose jobless benefits, many don't know how they'll get by.


John Brecher / msnbc.comKaren Inbody, a jobless resident of Elkhart, Ind., spends some of her time volunteering at the Harvest Basket for Community Services, where she helps people to borrow health equipment. Her unemployment benefits have nearly expired and she says, "there are still no jobs out there."Kari Huus
Reporter

updated 7:35 a.m. CT, Thurs., Aug. 27, 2009
ELKHART, Ind.— Karen Inbody has just about three weeks to figure out Plan B.

The 58-year-old divorcee has been getting by on unemployment compensation since her layoff in early 2008, but she’s nearly reached the end of her benefits.

And even though she's applied for dozens of jobs, the former rental property manager has come up empty.

“I’d shovel horse poop,” she says wearily. “I haven’t even found one of those jobs available.”

Now, like many others whose unemployment benefits are running out, the Elkhart, Ind., native doesn’t know how she’s going to put food on her table and pay her mortgage.

Coming tsunami
Despite repeated extensions of the unemployment compensation program — up to a record 79 weeks in many states, compared to the standard 26 weeks in normal times — some 1.5 million people are expected to exhaust their benefits by year’s end.

In the first big wave, some 540,000 are expected to fall out of the program by the end of September, according to the nonprofit National Employment Law Project.

“Every state is going to experience a substantial increase in people exhausting their benefits,” says Chris Owen, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based worker advocacy group. “That means more people who will not be able to pay their mortgages, and who will not be able to shop and buy things. It will be a blow for the national economy, and for state and local economies.”

For many in this situation, there are few obvious places to turn. Short of qualifying for another government program, most rely on family and friends, and draw on the help of churches and nonprofits that run food pantries and assist with other emergency needs.

Mowing for gas money
Elkhart resident Tim White, who was laid off from a $10 per hour job at a laminates factory last year, saw his final unemployment check in mid-July.

John Brecher/msnbc.comTim White's unemployment benefits expired in July. Even though he previously earned about $10 per hour at a laminates factory, he says he'd take anything now.
Now the 42-year-old father earns $25 a week mowing a friend’s lawn — enough to cover gas for his '97 Jeep Cherokee so he can drive around to look for jobs. He says he applies anywhere they are accepting applications – McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, KFC, or Goodwill — to name just a few.
"I don't care if it's a minimum wage job,” he says. “It's better than nothing.”

For lodging, White and his wife, Prima, and their 13-year-old daughter, Kelly, have been getting by with the help of a relative who lets them live rent-free. The family also started receiving food stamps worth about $300 a month in August.

White’s wife is in poor health and takes medications for high blood pressure, diabetes and other problems. He is tormented by the prospect she could have a medical emergency with no health insurance.

"Health care coverage we worry about every day," he said.

Food pantry
Dean Preheim-Bartel, executive director of Church Community Services, which operates one of the larger food pantries in Elkhart, says he’s been seeing more and more people who have exhausted their unemployment benefits. It is one of the reasons, he believes, that in July, a record 345 new clients showed up to get free provisions for their families, compared to 179 new clients in July last year ago.

“There are a lot of people who are first timers who will readily acknowledge they have never been to a place like this -- never been to a food pantry of any kind,” he says.

Once laid-off workers exhaust their unemployment benefits, other sources of government assistance are relatively scant. TANF, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, is available to very low-income or unemployed people with children. But the requirements are far stricter than those for unemployment compensation.

(Discuss: Laid-off workers eye the abyss)

“You have to have very low wealth to get TANF benefits. So it’s not practical thing for most middle-class families,” says Gary Burtless, an economist at the Brookings Institution.

Childless people have even fewer options.

“If you have no kids, then you’re at the tender mercy of whatever state program there is,” says Burtless. “In a lot of places, it’s just not very much money, and they can deny people benefits for a lot of reasons.”

Likewise, food stamps are generally available only to the poorest of the poor.

Handywoman
Becky Cutter, who lives in rural Elkhart County, received her final unemployment payout on June 28. She was laid off in February 2008 from her job at Stallion Coach, a small company in nearby Bristol that converts horse trailers into living quarters.

John Brecher/msnbc.comBecky Cutter loosens an old fencepost at her landlord's rural property, which she maintains in exchange for housing. Since losing her job in February 2007 at a horse trailer facility, she's says she's turned into a "handywoman."
Her unemployment checks were modest — an average of $182.50 a week after taxes — but they kept her afloat for 15 months while she looked for a new job. She says she applied for dozens of positions in customer service, restaurant management, waiting tables, even as a speedway manager — and was amazed when nothing panned out.
Now, she tries to maintain a can-do spirit and accepts whatever small jobs come her way.

“Basically, I’ve turned into a handywoman,” she says, picking up $25 here and $100 there doing everything from painting and cleaning rain gutters to dog grooming. “I’ve been amazed at the things I can do. I’ve learned to drive a scissor lift and got over my fear of heights.”

Cutter is fortunate that her landlord has agreed to let her remain in the farm house where she lives, doing maintenance instead of paying rent. She still has a horse that she says she’ll have to sell to raise a little cash.

In the meantime, it’s a shoestring existence as she continues to send out resumes. Trips to the food pantry and gifts from friends and neighbors have helped fill the gaps.

Positive signs, but few jobs
Despite some recent signs that the unemployment situation is improving, the odds of actually getting a new job are grim.

Federal statistics indicate that there were more than five times as many people seeking jobs in the United States in June as there were positions available. In especially hard-hit areas like Elkhart, where the unemployment rate is 16.7 percent — compared to 9.4 percent nationwide — the odds against job seekers are even tougher.

Vicki McGlinsey, who was laid off last year from a printing company that served the RV industry, says she was one of 10 people who made the final round of interviews for a security position offered at Wal-Mart in July. The manager who broke the news that she wouldn’t get the job told her they received more than 250 applications.

“I myself have put in about 100 applications and résumés since February … and have had three interview opportunities, including this one,” she says. “It boggles my mind when I hear people say we just need to try harder.”

To aid people like McGlinsey, political pressure is building for the passage of yet another extension of unemployment benefits, at least for the jobless in states hardest hit by the recession.

In early August, just before Congress left for a break, Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., introduced a bill that would provide another 13 weeks of federally funded unemployment benefits to workers in states with a three-month jobless rate over 9.5 percent — likely encompassing about 20 states.

The bill is expected to be taken up when Congress returns after Labor Day.

Opponents of an extension argue that increasing the benefit duration will simply prolong unemployment, allowing workers to get “rusty,” possibly unemployable. Those in favor maintain that the help is essential to these individuals until the employment picture improves and that the jobless funds help stimulate the economy.

Weighing options
With the clock running out on her benefits, Karen Inbody is weighing her options.

She’s already borrowed some money from her family, and does not want to ask for more — two of her sons are receiving unemployment benefits after being laid-off from the RV industry, and two are working reduced hours.

Inbody owes $600 a month on her house, a simple gray bungalow on Elkhart’s historic Bank Street. She fears that without some new source of income, she will lose it.

“Sell my house, rent out my house?” she says, running through some scenarios. She adds wryly: “I could stand on a street corner, but those are all taken too.”

mikej
08-27-2009, 04:11 PM
Kinda blows a hole in all your talk of self reliance. But, hey, the rich got 2 huge tax cuts under Bush!

nightrider127
08-27-2009, 04:28 PM
That is sad. There doesn't seem to be any jobs out there at all. A mutual friend of ours and our son has exhausted his first round of benefits and is trying to get his extended benefits started. He has an engineering degree and can't even get an interview.

And speaking of the friend, he is newly divorced with 3 kids to pay support for. The stupid judge has ordered him to pay more than his benefits come too and also ordered him to get another job making the same kind of money he made before. I don't know what planet she is living on but it sure can't be this one.

jeanea33
08-27-2009, 04:36 PM
Kinda blows a hole in all your talk of self reliance. But, hey, the rich got 2 huge tax cuts under Bush!




What does bush's tax cuts have to do with the unemployment numbers? These people have been on unemployment for at least 9 months. Show me the connection. Can't blame everything on Bush. Where's the jobs Obama promised in the stimulas package?

Bahet
08-27-2009, 10:48 PM
They're born already so they are on their own now. Don't raise my taxes to give them more money to sit at home on their butts. Let them go work at McDonalds. If they don't have health care then they had just better not get sick.

janelle
08-27-2009, 11:46 PM
Well I know of a few people who were laid off and they are being too particular on getting another job, so it does make me wonder.

My neice hasn't worked in over a year but she wants to get back in to the work she was doing and those jobs have all dried up. She just looks as much as she has to so she will still get the unemployment but she really needs to get into retail or get some kind of job.

Our neighbor was laid off from aircraft. Right now he has an interview with an out of town company but his wife does not want to move. They can't pay their mortgage without dipping into their savings so I don't think they can be too particular.

Our other neighbor is now working in Puerto Rico away from his family. He took the job so he can have a job. I don't think everyone does that.

When my hubby was laid off from aircraft he looked each day and would take any job he could. He even interviewed at a fast food restaurant. He just wanted to work, it was driving him crazy not to have a job. He finally want to work for some doctors for half of what he was being paid in his old job with the understanding if he did a good job they would give him raises so he had to almost beg to get that job.

If they keep extending the unemployment, those who want their old jobs back or to stay in a certain area will never get off it. It's hard to know who CAN'T get a job and who are not wanting certain jobs.

nightrider127
08-28-2009, 04:23 PM
The young man I am talking about is not picky in the least. He has been supplimenting his unemployment benefits by doing handy man type stuff, cutting grass.

There may be a few minimum wage jobs around ehre but they are few and far between. I think having a degree works against people at the present time also because of them being over qualified. The fast food places know that when the economy opens back up, those over qualified people will leave them.

evrita
08-29-2009, 08:12 AM
Well I know of a few people who were laid off and they are being too particular on getting another job, so it does make me wonder.

My neice hasn't worked in over a year but she wants to get back in to the work she was doing and those jobs have all dried up. She just looks as much as she has to so she will still get the unemployment but she really needs to get into retail or get some kind of job.

Our neighbor was laid off from aircraft. Right now he has an interview with an out of town company but his wife does not want to move. They can't pay their mortgage without dipping into their savings so I don't think they can be too particular.

Our other neighbor is now working in Puerto Rico away from his family. He took the job so he can have a job. I don't think everyone does that.

When my hubby was laid off from aircraft he looked each day and would take any job he could. He even interviewed at a fast food restaurant. He just wanted to work, it was driving him crazy not to have a job. He finally want to work for some doctors for half of what he was being paid in his old job with the understanding if he did a good job they would give him raises so he had to almost beg to get that job.

If they keep extending the unemployment, those who want their old jobs back or to stay in a certain area will never get off it. It's hard to know who CAN'T get a job and who are not wanting certain jobs.

Well we just bought a house almost 4 years ago and I am not willing to move and my hubby has serched for jobs in 2 almost 3 states some as far as 50 miles one way and there are no jobs to be found. You think he like to be living on unemployment oh wait the one in this state has run out now he must collect from the other state he worked in. There isnt even retail jobs to be found

gmyers
08-29-2009, 10:28 AM
I believe some will always take advantage of unemployment and not try to work until it runs out. But I also believe there is a lot of people out there that honestly can't find any jobs because there aren't any to be found. Like someone else said wheres all the jobs the stimulous was supposed to create.

Jolie Rouge
06-16-2010, 01:48 PM
Unemployment bill dealt Senate defeat
Andrew Taylor, Associated Press Writer – 52 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Republicans and a dozen Democratic defectors in the Senate dealt a defeat to President Barack Obama Wednesday, just days after he pressed Congress to renew pieces of last year's economic stimulus bill.

A catchall measure combining jobless aid for the long-term unemployed, aid to cash-strapped state governments and the renewal of dozens of popular tax breaks for businesses and individuals failed to muster even a majority in a test vote, much less the 60 votes that would be required to defeat a GOP filibuster.

Now, Obama's Democratic allies have been forced back to the drawing board in their efforts to pass the measure, which also would protect doctors from a looming cut in Medicare payments and raise taxes on investment fund managers. A new, scaled back version of the measure is likely to be revealed Wednesday afternoon.

Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., said after the vote that "Plan B" is to do some "shuffling, rearranging of some of the provisions" of the bill but not making wholesale changes.

Just on Saturday, Obama made a plea for the measure, including $24 billion in aid to cash-strapped state governments to help avoid tens of thousands of layoffs and ensure the economy doesn't slip back into a recession.

To try to revive the bill, top Democrats are expected to roll back last year's $25 a week increase in unemployment checks and give doctors just a short reprieve from scheduled cuts in their Medicare payments instead of relief until the end of next year. Democratic leaders promise to restore the $24 billion in state aid that was struck by Wednesday's vote.

Wednesday's defeat of the measure was unexpectedly lopsided as Democratic moderates — who almost uniformly voted for an earlier version just three months ago — joined with every Republican against the pending version on a 45-52 tally.

The vote reflected rising voter anger over deficits and the nation's $13 trillion debt. And it's by no means certain the measure can be revived to win moderate Democrats back and garner the handful of GOP votes needed to eventually pass it.

"They've laid the straw that broke the camel's back as far as I'm concerned," said Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, who provided a critical vote to advance an earlier version of the measure in March. "We're talking $50 billion in new taxes, $80 billion in new borrowing. ... I've gotten to the point where I've had it."

The likely cuts mean that people on unemployment insurance are likely to see their benefits reduced by $25 a week. Doctors are likely to win only a seven-month reprieve from a 21 percent cut in their Medicare payments that's set to take effect Friday. Those steps would appear to cut about $20 billion from the measure.

Over the weekend, President Barack Obama renewed his push for the measure, warning that "hundreds of thousands" of state and local government jobs could be lost without $24 billion in Medicaid money to help states balance their budgets and $23 billion more to prevent layoffs at local school districts.

The pending bill is a catchall measure anchored by a six-month extension of jobless benefits for people who have been out of work for more than six months. It also includes the $24 billion in help for cash-starved state governments, dozens of expired tax breaks for individuals and businesses, a fivefold increase in the per barrel tax on oil drilled offshore and a new tax on investment fund managers.

Nine Republicans supported the earlier version of the bill against a GOP filibuster, as did every Democrat but Ben Nelson of Nebraska. Now, a lot of that support has eroded.

"I'm very concerned about the cost of the bill," said Susan Collins, R-Maine.


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gmyers
06-16-2010, 02:04 PM
Its scary about the looming cut in medicare payments to doctors too. I feel for the people that can't find jobs and the benefits will probably run out soon. And if they take 24 million from medicaid to help state employees keep their jobs. Whats going to happen to medicaid users when medicaid runs out of money? The economy seems to be getting worse and not improving at all.