Won't this hurt the little guy?

[janelle]

My hubby points out to me how the libs always say they are for the little guy but most of their programs and ideas hurt the little guy. This sure will.


Liberals want to tax soda to pay for government-run health care



During the presidential campaign of 2008, Barack Obama pledged that those making below $250,000 would not see their taxes go up one dime. He promised to cut taxes for the middle class and poor people. But if his friends in Congress get their way, President Obama will have a tough decision to make – whether to break his campaign pledge again in the form of higher taxes on soda and “sugary drinks” like sports and energy drinks.

Some liberals in Congress have proposed paying for government-run health care by hiking taxes on soft drinks and other beverages. Because the socialized health care schemes being considered will cost at least a trillion dollars, liberal politicians are looking for ways to pay for their schemes without upsetting too many folks. So they think that a tax on soft drinks is better than any other type of tax. They are wrong, and need to understand this message loud and clear: NO NEW TAXES!

As if government-run health care weren’t bad enough in terms of quality, now we have another reason to stop it dead in its tracks. Paying for government-run health care will cost every American that enjoys soft drinks, or even sports and energy drinks. This tax and spend scheme is typical of liberals, and only reinforces my belief that this is about them increasing their power, and their control over our lives. We can’t let them get away with it anymore. TAKE ACTION!

The battle against higher taxes and government-run health care is just beginning. But if we can stand together and show our opposition loud enough, we just might be able to defend liberty, and keep more money in our pockets as well.


Sincerely,

Dick Armey
Chairman
FreedomWorks.org

[dv8grl]

Water is free., for the most part. Certainly is cheaper than Coca-Cola. And healthier!


Legalize marijuana, tax it, then we won't have to worry about taxing soda pop.
:canabis:
:bandit:

[hesnothere]

I'm a lib and I don't drink sodas or sports drinks. http://www.rollitup.org/images/smilies/bong7bp.gif

[freeby4me]

I highly doubt you're a "little guy" so why are you even pretending to care? Because it fits your agenda right now?
I only take people seriously when they're sincerely interested in helping others even when it doesnt affect them. The only reason why you're pretending to care is so you have ONE MORE THING to complain about Obama about. Pathetic.

[hblueeyes]

legalizing weed gets my vote as well. Plus lets do away with property taxes and add a fuel tax of 25 cents instead.

me

[jeanea33]

Here in Washington state we already tax water and soda almost 9%. If on food stamps you get a pass on the taxes. So this will hit mainly the people who are working here.

[wobblypops]

If they would legalize pot, do you all honestly think all these other taxes would disappear? No, they'd just give themselves a bigger pension & a higher rate of pay leaving us all in the same mess they are leaving us with now.

[SurferGirl]

I think the smokers have already discovered that the no more taxes was just a big fat lie.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QOtwayIJJNU/ST2pswEIgiI/AAAAAAAAAco/yUeWCS3Qd_w/S1600-R/Obama+Pimp+in+purple.jpg

Tax and Spend

[YankeeMary]

I think the smokers have already discovered that the no more taxes was just a big fat lie.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QOtwayIJJNU/ST2pswEIgiI/AAAAAAAAAco/yUeWCS3Qd_w/S1600-R/Obama+Pimp+in+purple.jpg

Tax and Spend

Iam beginning to believe that you have a secret crush on Obama. A closet crush if you will.

[speedygirl]

Iam beginning to believe that you have a secret crush on Obama. A closet crush if you will.

LMAO. Too funny. Hmmm Obama likes to surf, SG's name says it all.
I hope you do know that I'm kidding with you, M. :)

[freeby4me]

Iam beginning to believe that you have a secret crush on Obama. A closet crush if you will.

I'm with you on that one. Pretty obvious to everyone else lol

[SurferGirl]

I know you are kidding.
It's obvious that I can't stand Obama.
He has told so many lies to the whole country to get elected.
Remember the one about his father being a goat herder, and remember how he went back on his word over campaign funding. Remember no tax increases to people who make under 250,000. Wait till the poor people get their utilities bills if he gets cap and trade through.

He still hasn't provided his birth certificate.

http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo157/prtyblueyz7661966/obama-birth-certificate-kenya-dees.jpg

[gmyers]

legalizing weed gets my vote as well. Plus lets do away with property taxes and add a fuel tax of 25 cents instead.

me

I heard on the news today that the pot they have today has something in it that is a lot stronger than it used to be. It used to be three percent now its ten. They were worried about teens that smoke it a lot because of it.

[ahippiechic]

Well Kush or Hyrdo has always been better than generic backyard homegrown, LOL!

[gmyers]

But are they better for teens if they smoke the stronger kind every day. The experts don't think so.

[anothersta]

I think the smokers have already discovered that the no more taxes was just a big fat lie.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QOtwayIJJNU/ST2pswEIgiI/AAAAAAAAAco/yUeWCS3Qd_w/S1600-R/Obama+Pimp+in+purple.jpg

Tax and Spend
LOL That is too funny!

I think all of this stuff IS hurting the little people. Why should Congress be deciding whether they drink sugary drinks, etc? How dare Congress decide what IS and ISN'T healthy? And why isn't motorcycling and windsurfing being taxed? Aren't those also choices that could be avoided?

If we look at lifestyles, I could find something in EVERYONE'S lifestyle that affects their lives (or lack of) that I'm having to pay for. How's bout someone who lives in a bad neighborhood? Why should I pay the police to go deal with that, didn't they have a choice of where to live?

My point is, it all comes out in the wash and its ridiculous to start targeting one behavior or another without targeting ALL behaviors that could incidentally cost taxpayers money.

I DO think it targets the little guy and exhibit A would be:

The mandating that highschoolers have to do volunteer work to get their degree.

Well, someone who can AFFORD to send their kids to a private school where there isn't that requirement can avoid it.

Someone who can't afford to pay for private school is stuck. aka, the little guy.

Congress is taking liberties and choices from the poor, all the while claiming that they are fighting for them.

Congress isn't fighting for the little guy, they are fighting for themselves and their ideologies.

Who in the heck is Pelosi to decide what I should and shouldn't be drinking when that dingbat can't even decide if she was briefed on enhanced interrogation techniques?

I gotta admit it, I think her robotic hand movements when she speaks are unhealthy. I mean, she's going to get arthritis if she keeps it up and then I'M going to have to pay to treat it as a taxpayer. I think we should tax her everytime she makes one.

Probably wouldn't need to tax anything else at that point 'cause she does it so often, it would pay the bills!!

[anothersta]

I also wanted to add that Congress found taxing smokers to be appropriate. But, did they provide free 'quit smoking' clinics to help folks quit? NO.

That's because they really don't want folks to quit, they want the money.

There is never any follow up to their theories, just a bunch of taxes and you're on your own.

[freeby4me]

I also wanted to add that Congress found taxing smokers to be appropriate. But, did they provide free 'quit smoking' clinics to help folks quit? NO.

That's because they really don't want folks to quit, they want the money.

There is never any follow up to their theories, just a bunch of taxes and you're on your own.

There is plenty of help to quit smoking, free help. Help that government helps pay for too. The only reason to keep smoking is because you want to, not because there isnt help to quit.

[hotwheelstx]

There is plenty of help to quit smoking, free help. Help that government helps pay for too. The only reason to keep smoking is because you want to, not because there isnt help to quit.

Well, I'm trying to quit. Using Chantix. It's not free either. Neither are patches, the gum. There's really no "support groups" like A.A. or Weight Watchers. It's costing almost as much to stop as it is to continue.

There's no free clinics to go to, no help lines, no support. You're on your own when it comes to quitting.

I'm spending around $80.00 for the next 3 months to try and stop. With NO HELP from anyone, anything.

So, what government is trying to help me stop smoking? NONE. I'm doing it all on my own.

[ahippiechic]

But are they better for teens if they smoke the stronger kind every day. The experts don't think so.

Well, when I smoked, I could smoke 3 joints of homegrown or one of Kush and get the same high. I'd rather smoke the Kush. Taste better and you don't need to smoke your self silly (LMAO) getting high. And if they legalized it, you have to be an adult to buy so not as many kids/teens would be smoking it anyway.

[IthinkNOT!]

I agree with that, here the only help that the NC quit line offers is a brochure. What am I supposed to do? Roll that up like a cigarette and maybe help my hand to mouth motion thing?

ETA I just noticed that we do have a number where we can call and talk to someone about quitting. Which I don't think will help me since being on the phone is one of the times I want a smoke the worst.

[janelle]

I highly doubt you're a "little guy" so why are you even pretending to care? Because it fits your agenda right now?
I only take people seriously when they're sincerely interested in helping others even when it doesnt affect them. The only reason why you're pretending to care is so you have ONE MORE THING to complain about Obama about. Pathetic.

Hold on, you do not know my situation or how much we give to charity a year so I resent you making that remark. I am just as much concerned about everyone who has to go buiy things as you are. Obama says he is for not taxing anyone but the rich then he wants to do this----I can just connect the dots, that's all.

If we are to consider 250,000 to be the rich then I AM THE LITTLE GUY. We make no where near that.

[anothersta]

duplicate post

[anothersta]

I think we should tax sex. We can enforce it by not treating STD's or covering pregnancies for anyone that didn't pay the tax.

Wonder how many STD's we treat annually? not to mention all the babies taxpayers wind up paying for.

Yes, let's tax sex!! Tax it, tax it, tax it!

Wonder what the effects are of someone who dyes their hair regularly? You know with all those chemicals, it's got to be doing something longterm. Let's do a study on it and tax it!

What I really love is how Congress claims they want everyone to eat healthy, then the EPA and gas taxes drive the cost of healthy foods (fresh fruits/vegetables) UP so poor people can't afford to do it.

It all looks like a big game to me and anyone playing into it are allowing themselves to be used as pawns of the government.

[anothersta]

oops.

[anothersta]

oops

[freeby4me]

Looks like somebodies a little upset that they're not getting any of a certain something.

[SurferGirl]

I think she's probably more upset because through taxation the government it telling people what they can and cannot do.

I don't like the idea of the government stepping all over my freedom.

[SurferGirl]

The more the government taxes and spends the more they can get their greedy fingers into the pot. I wonder how much Soros is making on all these extra taxes. I wonder how much of this was in Saul Alinsky's handbook.
Pretty soon the government will control everything if they aren't stopped.

They control Banks, the unions, the auto industry, next the health industry, looks like they didn't think socialism went far enough and we're headed towards Marxism and Communism.

[gmyers]

Looks like somebodies a little upset that they're not getting any of a certain something.

Can you blame her that would upset anyone.:whistle

[anothersta]

Looks like somebodies a little upset that they're not getting any of a certain something.

that was an obnoxious observation. Why do you assume that people ONLY want to protect what they are involved in? Some of us aren't that shallow. We want government to STOP taxing because, in order to be fair, they would have to tax all these other things, too.

That was my point. BTW, I am VERY happily married...

in all ways.

[anothersta]

We should also tax folks per time spent on a computer/typewriter.

Carpal tunnels and all, ya' know.

[Bahet]

we should also tax folks per time spent on a computer/typewriter.

Carpal tunnels and all, ya' know.

Nnnnnooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

[gmyers]

We should also tax folks per time spent on a computer/typewriter.

Carpal tunnels and all, ya' know.

If they do that I'll bo broke thats for sure. But joking aside I really wonder how many different things we'll see taxed in the next few years to help pay down the deficit. I hope we don't but I bet we'll see a lot more, which I'm not looking forward too.

[SurferGirl]

All this in 4 months and we have another 3 years and 8 months to go.
I really don't think our country will last that long the way it's going now.

They will probably tax us on the air we breath by then.

[SurferGirl]

Tax and spend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK5hrKHrFzI

[dv8grl]

There's no free clinics to go to, no help lines, no support. You're on your own when it comes to quitting.


$80 a month to try to stop., isn't that about what 2 cartons of cigarettes cost. Just think of alll the money you'll save after you quit.
There are programs to help.
http://www.smokefree.gov/
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=33484
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/quit_smoking/

And there is an AA or sorts.
http://www.nicotine-anonymous.org/

Good luck ~ ANYONE can quit, when they really want to. It just takes alot of will-power. I have complete faith in you!

[SurferGirl]

What many people object to is the government trying to control them through taxes. It seems too much like communism.

http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2009/05/the-history-of-socialism/
The history of socialism
I had the pleasure recently of attending a lecture on the history of socialism.

This event was less about politics and more about history. Tom Phillips, a brilliant (and very young) historian, offered his insights. He is a former socialist who is now a conservative. He grew up under socialism, and has seen the results.

Yet people often throw around the word “socialist” too causally. Who and what actually constitutes a socialist? Why does it matter?

With those questions being asked, I present the insights of Tom Phillips.

“Socialism goes back to Plato.

In Britain, the alternative to socialism was classical liberalism, not conservatism.

The socialist view was very popular with the Catholic Church, and throughout Europe.

The United States was the first to experiment with a liberal state. The only state powers came from the people.

Outside of America, the American experiment was considered a b@stardization of European Enlightement, particularly in France.

Edmund Burke supported the American Revolution, but he called the French Revolution ‘barbaric.’ All they wanted was ‘change.’ They tore everything down, but built nothing. Today we hear about change, but it is important to specify exactly what change means.

Karl Marx is not the father of all socialism. He was just a socialist. His dad was a socialist who admired Hegel.

How can we have the power of government while preserving freedom? This is an age old struggle. It did not first appear in November of 2008.

In 1876, the Communists were kicked out of Europe. They were deemed too radical. They needed a new home, so they moved to Philadelphia.

The Communists integrated into American society throguh the labor movement. This began the ascenscion of socialism in America.

In the late 19th century, Japan was at war with Russia. The United States was against this conflict because U.S. policy was to be against any conflict that was bad for international trade. Teddy Roosevelt had both sides come to the United States to sit down and talk. On the battlefield, Japan had clearly won. Roosevelt got Russia to acknowledge this. Russia never forgo that slight.

In 1917 there was the Russian Revolution. It was not done on the Gregorian Calendar since Russia was 14 days behind. So the February revolution was actually the March revolution and the October revolution was actually the November revolution.

The Bolsheviks were on a messianic quest. They wanted world control, and they hated the United States. They never got over the slight of the U.S. with regards to the Japan conflict.

The Communists felt that the easiest way to take over America was to take over the means of communication. They wanted control of the entertainment industry, academia, and religion. Religion was considered the most important because religion attracts crowds.

In 1925 there was a split among the Communists. Stalin chased out the Jews.

Trotsky was a Democratic Socialist. He hated Tyranny. He felt the replacement of the Czar with the Bolsheviks was substituting one tyranny for another. This led to a power struggle between the Stalinists and the Trotskeyites.

Original Trotskeyites included Lionel Trilling and Irving Kristol. Irving Kristol eventually left the left, and led the Reagan Revolution.

Communists did infiltrate the government. The OSS did get into the CIA. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the first Socialist President.

American Socialists and Communists were actually Pro-German National Socialism as long as Hitler and Stalin remained friends.

The Trotskeyites defended Joseph McCarthey. They understood the Communist threat. The true left never forgave the Trotskeyites for this.

One irony was that the original left of center party called itself the Democrat Party. The Communist parties of Russia and Iraq were Democrat parties.

Leftists took the word “liberal” to avoid being called socialist. Liberal sounded better.

Liberalism means freedom. The right then became conservatives, and the labels stuck.

Saul Alinsky was actually schooled in cultural Marxism. He did not create anything.

The Neocons were actually the right side of the left. They came about because in 1968, Neo-Marxists took over the Democratic Party.

In 1972 the Neo-Marxists seized power with the first Communist presidential candidate, George McGovern. Irving Kristol then penned his letter, and formed “Democrats for Nixon.” Lionel and Dinana Trilling did not sign the letter.

In 1976 the Democrats nominated another socialist, Jimmy Carter. On his watch five new Soviet states were created, along with three similar states in Asia.

During the decade, there was mass slaughter from social justice and peace movements.

Then came Ronald Reagan in 1980.

In 1932, FDR was the one who moved liberalism toward socialism. Every President since then either wanted to accelerate or decelerate socialism. Ronald and Reagan and Margaret Thatcher did not slow socialism. They outright reversed it. America became hated, and Reagan was vilified by the left. For those who think George W. Bush was hated, Reagan was truly hated.

Richard Nixon was the one who said “We’re all Keynesians now.” He only wanted to slow socialism, not reverse it. Reagan reversed it, and was hated by the left.

So where are we now? Today the left controls every facet of society in America. Look at the cultural institutions. Look at the pulpits. Politics and theology are now fused. Jeremiah Wright is not out of the ordinary. His speeches are common.

Most religions support the leftist cause despite the left attacking religion. Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, and yes, even Islam, support the left. Radical Islam is derived from Maoism and Stalinism.

Today the socialists control everything. It did not start in November of 2008.

Socialism is like a seven headed hydra. You cut off one head, another one pops up.

We are now living in a world we no longer recognize. Our institutions are collapsing. 9/11 was another step in the institutional collapse.

So how will all of this play out? The same as everywhere else.

Socialism always creates short-term benefits. It offers instant gratification. People are given free stuff.

Why bother buying ingredients when people are just given the free food already made? Socialism is the food. Capitalism is the ingredients.

Every few years socialism sows the seeds of its own destruction. The markets and capitalism get blamed, when the actual cause of the destruction is bad policy.

America has not been ruled by the right in some time. The left controls the cities, the counties, and the schools. Electing a Republican president does not matter. It is irrelevant. The left controls the institutions. The left is the establishment. The right is the anti-establishment.

The right needs to take back the institutions. We should start with academia before religion. The world shuns academics. Conservatives must embrace academia. They can either write books, or talk to themselves in the mirror.

I was a socialist, and am now a conservative. Facts did not sway me. What I saw around me did.

Socialists were just Communists moving slowly.

Socialism, like Christianity, has a theological perspective. Being a socialist does not tell what denomination of socialism is being practiced. There are so many currents. A Christian can be a Methodist, an Episcopalian, a Baptist, or other denomination. A socialist could be a Trotskeyite, a Communist, or a Democratic Socialist. A Communist could be a Maoist or a Stalinist.”

I would like to thank Tom Phillips for a stimulating lecture. If more people like him went into academia, I would have a more favorable view of academics. Also, society would be better off.

eric

[jasmine]

I agree with that, here the only help that the NC quit line offers is a brochure. What am I supposed to do? Roll that up like a cigarette and maybe help my hand to mouth motion thing?

ETA I just noticed that we do have a number where we can call and talk to someone about quitting. Which I don't think will help me since being on the phone is one of the times I want a smoke the worst.

:rolling:rolling

[janelle]

My SIL said we jumped from Socialism and Communism right into Dictatorship. I think she said it all.

The government now owns the banks, the auto industry, and will soon control everything we eat, drink, say or do.

[anothersta]

If they do that I'll bo broke thats for sure. But joking aside I really wonder how many different things we'll see taxed in the next few years to help pay down the deficit. I hope we don't but I bet we'll see a lot more, which I'm not looking forward too.

I think that's why we ALL need to take a stand now. Eventually, they are going to get around to taxing everyone 'cause they need money to pay off that credit card.

I think they've discovered they can't print it as fast as they spend it.

I can think of a whole lot of other things we should tax 'cause it's something not everyone does, but they all have to pay for.

I believe we are all in this together. And although, someone may smoke and cost me more money, my hostess cupcake habit isn't doing them any good and I'm sure everyone could find something in their lives that costs us all.

My opinion is, stop targeting certain groups as it all comes out in the wash.

[anothersta]

Nnnnnooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!


lol

See, see, you better stand up and say no to all the other targeted taxes cause you can bet your bottom dollar, this one's down the pipes. And, we need to remember, carpal tunnels are a VERY common problem, lots of surgeries, time off work, etc.

We Americans need to stand together on this one (liberal or conservative, dem and GOP) cause they are going to sock it to all of us one way or another.

You know what else I thought of, messy houses probably have more germs than spotlessly clean ones. They could tax dirt and if they tax by dustbunny numbers, I'm done for

It's time we ALL stand together and tell Congress to STOP IT, cause it all comes out in the wash.

[anothersta]

If they do that I'll bo broke thats for sure. But joking aside I really wonder how many different things we'll see taxed in the next few years to help pay down the deficit. I hope we don't but I bet we'll see a lot more, which I'm not looking forward too.

I'm not joking :( I really believe this is what it could come to, because Congress so desperately needs the money.

And it would be only fair that if we are going to start targeting groups for taxes, we should target ALL groups. Not just pick a few.

And when Congress gets to your group, saying no isn't going to do you any good. Congress will just say, "Well, we are just being fair to everyone" and they will be right.

[gmyers]

The bad thing about taxing certain things like soft drinks is people will stop buying them or cut way back and then they will start laying people off or going out of business. You can put businesses out of business if you tax their product so much that people wont buy it.

[nightrider127]

What the government can't seem to comprehend is we are in a recession and will remain in a recession as long as people don't start buying. Every tax that is leveled, be it federal, state or local takes away money that could have been spent else where. Before you know it, we are going to be spending 50% plus on taxes.

We need to do a major house cleaning up in Washington DC. I for one wont be voting for any incumbent congress person, I don't give a crap which party they belong to.

See, you all should have done what me and my DH did. We voted for Spud. He was the only one worthy of our vote.

Spud N 12.

[freeby4me]

A box of patches is a lot cheaper than a carton of cigarettes now.

Dont forget that I used to smoke. I had to quit twice because I know how hard it is.
I had to finally convince myself that I WAS GOING TO DIE if I did not quit. I know its hard. Nothing is more worth it though.
I couldnt help but feel like I was stealing time with my child and (hopefully someday, long way away) grandchildren.

[IthinkNOT!]

My thing is if they are going to tax sodas and other food products, that is going to affect those of us who actually pay for our food with cash, check or credit card. What about the ones who get foodstamps? They are excluded from the tax. So then our taxpayer money will once again be going to buy them things that we can't afford to buy.

I don't even usually drink sodas, don't personally keep them in the house. Mom bought me a 12 pack of bottled mountain dew back in March, and there are still 8 of them under the sink. She had got them for me to take to school, then was disappointed when I didn't want them everyday, I would drink one, wash the empty bottle and then carry tea with me. But when I do decide I want one I want to be able to buy one without the government telling me that its not good for me. It is ridiculous!

[jasmine]

I'll buy a pop if I'm out and about, but as for buying it for the house, that is considered a luxery item here. Unless it is on sale, and of course my husband and kids nag me enough LOL.

[jeanea33]

I drink diet dr pepper daily. It doesnt make me bad. I work hard for the things I want. Why should I be hit in the pocket book for someone else? If I go shopping here at the wrong time, you will see people on food stamps buying tons of pop. If your going to tax me,then make it not allowed to buy with food stamps.

[YankeeMary]

I drink diet dr pepper daily. It doesnt make me bad. I work hard for the things I want. Why should I be hit in the pocket book for someone else? If I go shopping here at the wrong time, you will see people on food stamps buying tons of pop. If your going to tax me,then make it not allowed to buy with food stamps.

Depending on what state you live in, even food is taxed. How is that going to work?

[janelle]

Well rich people do not buy from a vending machine. It's the working people taking a break and they will have to pay more for those snacks. The little guy is being taxed but the government does it under the table then brags on how much they help us with taxing the rich. But then the people up on the hill get out of paying taxes all the time. Why should they care?

[jeanea33]

Depending on what state you live in, even food is taxed. How is that going to work?


Just like they do other items, put it under a different catagory other than food. It's all how the store enters it into their system. They can tell when you buy paper plates or a loaf of bread.

[gmyers]

Drinks are high enough here I hate to see taxes added. I paid $5.98 for a twelve pack of 12 ounce bottles of sunkist. Thats way to high to me as it is.

[galeane29]

Damn! In the last few weeks I've bought 20 12 pks some for $1 each others $1.60 each. I'd never pay nearly $6 for a 12 pk of soda.

[YankeeMary]

Just like they do other items, put it under a different catagory other than food. It's all how the store enters it into their system. They can tell when you buy paper plates or a loaf of bread.

Good idea. I was wondering. Thanks.

[jasmine]

yeah, there was a lady one time at the grocery store, paying with her food stamp card. She had bought several items in the dicsount food cart (bent, damaged boxes....reduced price). When it was all rang up, the cashier said she owed like $5 and something, she asked how that was when all she bought were food items, nothing else. The cashier had to go back and re-do all of her marked down items and ring them up as grocery, not miscellanious or whatever.

[YankeeMary]

Well rich people do not buy from a vending machine. It's the working people taking a break and they will have to pay more for those snacks. The little guy is being taxed but the government does it under the table then brags on how much they help us with taxing the rich. But then the people up on the hill get out of paying taxes all the time. Why should they care?

LOL...now Janelle rich people eat junk food and buy from vending machines also. Heck all the rich movie stars are always being shown with starbucks or pops. Remember when Brittany was always going thru Burger King or McDs??? You think Kirstie Alley got that big from over eating carrots??? Or rich CEOs don't stop by a pop machine or a vending machine??? Heck even on American Idol they at least have cups that say Coke-a-Cola.

[SurferGirl]

Damn! In the last few weeks I've bought 20 12 pks some for $1 each others $1.60 each. I'd never pay nearly $6 for a 12 pk of soda.


Please tell me how you can get a 12 pk. of soda for $1 or $1.60.
I'm always watching the sales ads and I haven't found any for that good of a price. The best I've been doing is the 2 liter bottle for $l.00.

However, I do live in California so that might be part of it.

[speedygirl]

Please tell me how you can get a 12 pk. of soda for $1 or $1.60.
I'm always watching the sales ads and I haven't found any for that good of a price. The best I've been doing is the 2 liter bottle for $l.00.

However, I do live in California so that might be part of it.

I second that! The cheapest I've bought a 12 pack on sale in the last several years is $3.33 plus .60 for the 5 cent bottle deposit. Stop and Shop had Coke products for $1.29 for a 2 liter on sale a couple weeks ago.
We've been paying taxes at the state level on pretty much everything except necessities for years.

[janelle]

LOL...now Janelle rich people eat junk food and buy from vending machines also. Heck all the rich movie stars are always being shown with starbucks or pops. Remember when Brittany was always going thru Burger King or McDs??? You think Kirstie Alley got that big from over eating carrots??? Or rich CEOs don't stop by a pop machine or a vending machine??? Heck even on American Idol they at least have cups that say Coke-a-Cola.

Well I bet those TV stars more than not have their food catered to the set each day. They need to tax champagne and caviar. When the stars of "Friends" each made 1.5 million each, they can afford snacks from a gourmet deli hand delivered to them at any time of the day or night.

But it's still the little guy who needs to buy from a vending machine.

[speedygirl]

I refuse to buy from vending machines because the ridiculously inflated prices unless I'm desperate. I was at the mall the other day and a can of Coke was $2.00. I b!tch at the regular $1.79 price on a 2 liter bottle at the grocery storenever mind $2.00 for 12 ounces.

[Bahet]

I have never, not once, in my 39 years on this planet, ever met anyone who needed to buy from a vending machine.

[anothersta]

I have never, not once, in my 39 years on this planet, ever met anyone who needed to buy from a vending machine.

That's because you've never known anyone that was stuck in an airport for 5 hours waiting for a delayed flight :)

[Bahet]

That's because you've never known anyone that was stuck in an airport for 5 hours waiting for a delayed flight :)

BTDT. I flew out of Metro many times. :lol

[speedygirl]

I usually travel with provisions. The short period that you were unable to bring liquids past the security gate was the exception. I've been stuck in an airport multiple times and those are extenuating circumstances. The greater percentage of travelers wouldn't be unable to pay for a beverage at a vending machine or in a kiosk in an emergency.

[anothersta]

BTDT. I flew out of Metro many times. :lol

BTDT?

My DH use to live out of airports through the week as travel was part of his job. I know the airport horror stories all too well. And, since it was national travel, he wasn't familiar with his surroundings most of the time. He WAS surprised at how many business folks were all on the plane with him.

We are not rich. Heck, we are only average in our area.

That's how we've racked up hundreds of thousands of frequent flyer miles. We usually donate them to charities as we don't air travel for fun.

[anothersta]

I usually travel with provisions. The short period that you were unable to bring liquids past the security gate was the exception. I've been stuck in an airport multiple times and those are extenuating circumstances. The greater percentage of travelers wouldn't be unable to pay for a beverage at a vending machine or in a kiosk in an emergency.

The question is not, are they able? The question is, why they should and who are you to make that decision?

Would just be a heck of alot easier if our government would control their spending rather than to sock their citizens with more taxes.

And, today, BHO says all this spending is unsustainable. Like this is a new idea.

So, he admits he knows it's unsustainable, yet no cut back on spending,

none at all.... It just keeps running like a freight train.

and now we've got dingbat Pelosi claiming she didn't even know what she was briefed on at CIA meetings. She's the one directing alot of this spending.

Doesn't that scare any one, just a little????????

[anothersta]

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

People had better start speaking up. I'm starting to think there are folks that still believe THEY won't be paying any additional taxes, so it's okay.

It's NOT okay, they WILL be coming for you. They have no choice, they've got a chinese visa interest payment coming up and they need money.

[janelle]

Am I the only one who has the feeling we are going to end up being China's b$tches?

If that is not scary what is? They will own us.

[speedygirl]

The question is not, are they able? The question is, why they should and who are you to make that decision?

Would just be a heck of alot easier if our government would control their spending rather than to sock their citizens with more taxes.

And, today, BHO says all this spending is unsustainable. Like this is a new idea.

So, he admits he knows it's unsustainable, yet no cut back on spending,

none at all.... It just keeps running like a freight train.

and now we've got dingbat Pelosi claiming she didn't even know what she was briefed on at CIA meetings. She's the one directing alot of this spending.

Doesn't that scare any one, just a little????????

I'm not making that decision for anyone but myself. I prefer not to pay overly inflated prices and others have the ability to do so by refusing to purchase from those that price gouge.
It's not like taxes are anything new since President Obama took office. We've been getting hit by taxes on all sorts of ridiculous things for years.
I live in a state notoriously known as Taxachusetts. All of the taxes that people have been complaining about have been the norm here for years.

[dv8grl]

I have never, not once, in my 39 years on this planet, ever met anyone who needed to buy from a vending machine.

Are you kidding me?!?!? Ever take a road trip? Ever stop at a rest stop? Fortunately Rest Stops are open 24 hrs a day & provide vending machines for people who need a beverage or a snack.

[anothersta]

Mark my words. BHO is getting ready to raise taxes on everyone. He admits that what Congress and he have been doing is unsustainable. He also admits the skyrocketing interest rates that are coming with it. He failed to mention the hyperinflation, but it comes with the higher interest rates.

If you do anything with this warning, PAY OFF YOUR CREDIT CARDS and any variable interest rate loans you have. If you can't pay them off, try to refinance and get a fixed rate loan.

My question to BHO would be, 'Why are you still spending when you can see what it's going to do to your citizens?'

No MSM will ask that question.


By Roger Runningen and Hans Nichols

May 14 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama, calling current deficit spending “unsustainable,” warned of skyrocketing interest rates for consumers if the U.S. continues to finance government by borrowing from other countries.

“We can’t keep on just borrowing from China,” Obama said at a town-hall meeting in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, outside Albuquerque. “We have to pay interest on that debt, and that means we are mortgaging our children’s future with more and more debt.”

Holders of U.S. debt will eventually “get tired” of buying it, causing interest rates on everything from auto loans to home mortgages to increase, Obama said. “It will have a dampening effect on our economy.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aJsSb4qtILhg&refer=worldwide


I'm not making that decision for anyone but myself. I prefer not to pay overly inflated prices and others have the ability to do so by refusing to purchase from those that price gouge.
It's not like taxes are anything new since President Obama took office. We've been getting hit by taxes on all sorts of ridiculous things for years.
I live in a state notoriously known as Taxachusetts. All of the taxes that people have been complaining about have been the norm here for years.

If youall want to have a Taxachusettes state, have it. That doesn't mean the rest of us should have all those taxes shoved down our throats.

Most Americans don't want that and many states have kept our Senates in check to prevent that.

[anothersta]

Am I the only one who has the feeling we are going to end up being China's b$tches?

If that is not scary what is? They will own us.

We already are. The impact just hasn't made it's way deep into the economy yet. But, it's on it's way....

[mikej]

The question is not, are they able? The question is, why they should and who are you to make that decision?

Would just be a heck of alot easier if our government would control their spending rather than to sock their citizens with more taxes.

And, today, BHO says all this spending is unsustainable. Like this is a new idea.

So, he admits he knows it's unsustainable, yet no cut back on spending,

none at all.... It just keeps running like a freight train.

and now we've got dingbat Pelosi claiming she didn't even know what she was briefed on at CIA meetings. She's the one directing alot of this spending.

Doesn't that scare any one, just a little????????

Obama has to spend right now. You absolutely have no clue as to why he's doing what he's doing, do you?

Where do you want to cut spending? Shall we let the banks collapse? They have constituted 90% of our GDP for the past 10 years. It's not going to do much of anything to eliminate earmarks. They constitute less than 1% of the budget. It would also put military families on the street. Shall we cut funding to the Pentagon?

These are scary times. Obama did not cause the problem and there's no way that things will get better overnight.

[jasmine]

I have never, not once, in my 39 years on this planet, ever met anyone who needed to buy from a vending machine.

yes, I have needed to buy from a vending machine.

have you ever been stuck in the ER, or anywhere waiting for/on something with a screaming kid begging and kicking on the ground for some candy? Or crackers? uuggghhhh.
:rofl:

[Bahet]

Ugh. I have been stuck sleeping in an airport overnight twice because storms closed them down. That was 12 hours once and 7 hours the other time. I bought a soda at Burger King. From the time I was 8 months old until I went off to college we drove up north twice every year to spend a week at each of my grandparent's summer cottages. I never remember buying anything from a vending machine. One drive was 4 hours the other was 6. From 1989 - 1997 we drove from MI to Eastern KY for an 8 hour road trip every year to visit DH's relatives. We also drove from MI to AZ - a 5 day trip. We just got back from driving to Disneyland - a 6 hour trip. We packed water bottles in the car. It's not like we had no clue we were going on a road trip. I won't stop at rest stops unless it's an absolute emergency and even then I wouldn't buy from their vending machines. There's always a gas station somewhere not too far away. The longest expanse of nothing I have ever known of is I-10 from AZ to CA. Once you pass Buckeye, AZ there are 2 towns and one gas station until you reach Palm Springs. It's about 3 hours of literally nothing but desert. A person would have to be an idiot to drive through that without bringing their own water.

I have spent 2 days in a hospital when my grandpa had a heart attack, when my grandma had a stroke and brain surgery, and when DH's granny was dying. Even the hospital in KY wasn't in the middle of nowhere. We ate in the hospital cafeteria or made sure they were stable before running out for fast food.

And I don't give in to temper tantrums. When the boys were little I always had some crackers in my purse. If that wasn't good enough then they weren't that hungry anyhow.

The last time I bought from a vending machine was a few weeks ago at DS1's Boy Scout lodge. I bought him a root beer for 50 cents and we split it. I can't even recall the last time prior to that that I bought from a vending machine. They are typically way over priced and Lord only knows how long the stuff has been in there.

I stand by my assertion that no one needs to buy from a vending machine. You may want to but that's far different than needing to. Unless during that 5 hour lay over you started choking nothing detrimental would happen if you didn't buy a soda from a vending machine during that time. As for current airport security measures, I bring an empty water bottle with me. After you pass through security you can get it filled up at any drinking fountain.

[SurferGirl]

Do you think they are only going to increase taxes on sodas from vending machines? If the only time I had to worry about paying extra taxes was at the airport it wouldn't hurt as much as paying extra every time I go to the grocery store.

[freeby4me]

Then my way of boycotting the tax would be not buying the soda.

[jasmine]

Do you think they are only going to increase taxes on sodas from vending machines? If the only time I had to worry about paying extra taxes was at the airport it wouldn't hurt as much as paying extra every time I go to the grocery store.

honey (take no offense)~ they are taxing, and are going to tax everything. This just goes along with the outroar of HUGE tax on tobacco, property tax, everything you name it tax. They might tax the over weight...... the list goes on and on. It will take an out cry and movement of the whole country to do something about this. IMO

[jasmine]

Then my way of boycotting the tax would be not buying the soda.

But how many things are we gonna boycott? soda, fast food, etc. etc. We will end up boycotting everything. That's not right.

[SurferGirl]

I was referring to bahet's rant about vending machines.
If the only extra taxes I had to worry about was at vending machines it wouldn't be as big of a deal as paying extra every time I go to the store.
I don't drink that many sodas and usually will only drink diet soda so why should I have to pay extra tax. It bothers me that I have to pay deposits on soda bottles and water bottles etc.

I don't like the government using targeted taxes to control the people and I think if we got rid of the corruption in the government we wouldn't have to pay nearly as much in taxes.

[jeanea33]

Then my way of boycotting the tax would be not buying the soda.


Who we hurt by boycotting products is the companies not the goverment. If the goverment can't get enough revenue from the tax, they will raise it or make a new one.

[jasmine]

Who we hurt by boycotting products is the companies not the goverment. If the goverment can't get enough revenue from the tax, they will raise it or make a new one.

true, it's a no-win situation. Boycott the government for taxing, and hurt the little guy.

[freeby4me]

But how many things are we gonna boycott? soda, fast food, etc. etc. We will end up boycotting everything. That's not right.

Yea, well you do what you can to show you're not happy. Complaining about it online doesnt count.

[freeby4me]

Who we hurt by boycotting products is the companies not the goverment. If the goverment can't get enough revenue from the tax, they will raise it or make a new one.

Thats right. Programs need to be paid for, some how. Then you show your displeasure by voting for the less evil of the person to somehow try and change it.

[IthinkNOT!]

I was referring to bahet's rant about vending machines.
If the only extra taxes I had to worry about was at vending machines it wouldn't be as big of a deal as paying extra every time I go to the store.
I don't drink that many sodas and usually will only drink diet soda so why should I have to pay extra tax. It bothers me that I have to pay deposits on soda bottles and water bottles etc.

I don't like the government using targeted taxes to control the people and I think if we got rid of the corruption in the government we wouldn't have to pay nearly as much in taxes.
Well I only smoke light cigarettes, does that mean I should be excluded from the cigarette tax, because theoretically the lights aren't as harmful as the full flavor?

Perhaps diet sodas should be taxed higher. I mean after all hasn't it been proven that the artificial sweetener causes cancer in lab rats? I know that it can be used to kill ants.

[jasmine]

Well I only smoke light cigarettes, does that mean I should be excluded from the cigarette tax, because theoretically the lights aren't as harmful as the full flavor?

Perhaps diet sodas should be taxed higher. I mean after all hasn't it been proven that the artificial sweetener causes cancer in lab rats? I know that it can be used to kill ants.


now now, we have to pay for healthcare for these cigs we smoke LOL kinda ironic, they all want us to quit, but yet use us for health care.
As for the diet pop, then everyone with diabetes would step in.. (nothing against diabetics, I had gestational diabetes and had to go through the whole thing....). In fact, that's all I can drink now is diet pop, I'm so use to it now that regular pop is like drinking straight sugar. yuck.

[nightrider127]

Word has been received at the Nightriders residence of a plan that the obama administration and congressional leaders are at this hour meeting at the White House discussing how they can figure out how to tax the amount of air that we breathe.

More on this breaking story when we have more information.

Spud N 12.

[jasmine]

Word has been received at the Nightriders residence of a plan that the obama administration and congressional leaders are at this hour meeting at the White House discussing how they can figure out how to tax the amount of air that we breathe.

More on this breaking story when we have more information.

Spud N 12.

they might go after the big industries for air pollution on that one for the air we breathe :idea:

[Bahet]

Death and taxes people.

[SurferGirl]

The consumers are the one that will ultimately end up paying the higher taxes when it is charged to big industry.

I wonder if and when all these extra taxes will end.
I'm sure they will start taxing all type of baking supplies and the crystal lite drink mix that I love. Then they will probably increase tax on tea bags because everyone that gave up soda will start drinking ice tea.
Then they might add extra tax on fresh lemons because many people that don't like sweetened tea like to put a little fresh lemon in it.

We have seen all this happen in less than 4 months, it really worries me what they might do next.

[jasmine]

just a side note on the pop thing, I know that sometimes when we go out to eat, instead of everyone ordering pop to drink (usually between $1.50-$2, then however much for refills), we order water, that saves $$ on the bill.
But of course, my kids are water drinkers.

[SurferGirl]

There are times when I really do want water more than anything else especially when it's hot out. In the winter when it's cold I usually like coffee but that is really getting high, usually close to $2.00 for regular coffee and much more for a mocha or capachino.

[anothersta]

There are times when I really do want water more than anything else especially when it's hot out. In the winter when it's cold I usually like coffee but that is really getting high, usually close to $2.00 for regular coffee and much more for a mocha or capachino.

I drink water, diet green tea or diet soda. I'm still totally against the soda tax as I don't want our gov picking winners/losers. I also don't think it's their place to curb behavior via taxes. I'm not a big sugar eater unless it's a Hostess Cupcake.

So, as I fight and scream about this tax, be aware...

It won't affect me. I'm still totally against it!!

[janelle]

The Tax Poem

Tax his land, tax his wage,
Tax his bed in which he lays.
Tax his tractor, tax his mule,
Teach him taxes is the rule.

Tax his cow, tax his goat,
Tax his pants, tax his coat.
Tax his ties, tax his shirts,
Tax his work, tax his dirt.

Tax his chew, tax his smoke,
Teach him taxes are no joke.
Tax his car, tax his grass,
Tax the roads he must pass.

Tax his food, tax his drink,
Tax him if he tries to think.
Tax his sodas, tax his beers,
If he cries, tax his tears.

Tax his bills, tax his gas,
Tax his notes, tax his cash.
Tax him good and let him know
That after taxes, he has no dough.

If he hollers, tax him more,
Tax him until he's good and sore.
Tax his coffin, tax his grave,
Tax the sod in which he lays.

Put these words upon his tomb,
"Taxes drove me to my doom!"
And when he's gone, we won't relax,
We'll still be after the inheritance tax.

[janelle]

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax,
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest expense
Inventory tax
IRS Interest Charges
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage taxes
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax State
Unemployment Tax(SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License
Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world....
and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What in the hell happened????

[gmyers]

Government went crazy spending is what happened and they have to pay for it some how.

[anothersta]

And BHO ADMITS this spending is unsustainable. When he and Congress were doing it all, they had a plan and it was going to work. But, now, BHO throws himself under the bus and carries on about how this country can't keep up all the crazy spending, all the spending HE and his MINIONS have been doing. We, the taxpayers, have had no say in this. When the citizens did try to speak out and warn people, we were disregarded as 'teabaggers'.

It's outrageous. Here he comes out and says "I'm trashing this country. I'm trashing it completely, my plan won't work"

It's the freakin' twilight zone we're living in now. Even the president who told everyone a few months ago not to worry about all this spending, he had a plan. Now, he doesn't. Now, it's horrible and unsustainable.

WTF is going on and why isn't any MSM asking him the question, why don't you slow down on spending then??????


May 14 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama, calling current deficit spending “unsustainable,” warned of skyrocketing interest rates for consumers if the U.S. continues to finance government by borrowing from other countries.

“We can’t keep on just borrowing from China,” Obama said at a town-hall meeting in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, outside Albuquerque. “We have to pay interest on that debt, and that means we are mortgaging our children’s future with more and more debt.”

Holders of U.S. debt will eventually “get tired” of buying it, causing interest rates on everything from auto loans to home mortgages to increase, Obama said. “It will have a dampening effect on our economy.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aJsSb4qtILhg&refer=worldwide

So, here he comes right out and says what a HORRIBLE plan he implemented.

What in the hell is going on in this country??? It's like bizarro world.

Can someone explain to me how a person could still be supportive of all this spending after the very one doing it says "Oops. We screwed up"

Our country is so screwed, I think it's time to have the libs look this agreement over and finalize it before it's too late. I just keep thinking, it can't get crazier than it is already and here we go again. He admits he screwed us and our children royal and people still love him. I'm starting to feel like I'm in a domestic abuse situation with my government.

I wouldn't believe this if I wasn't seeing it with my own eyes.



DIVORCE AGREEMENT


Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al.:


We have stuck together since the late 1950s, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course.

Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

Here is a model separation agreement:

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them).

We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks.

We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood ..

You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.

We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain.

You can also have the U.N.. but we will no longer be paying the bill.

We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.

You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors. We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.

We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem.

I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.

We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot.

Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete.

In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need who's help in 15 years.

[anothersta]

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax,
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest expense
Inventory tax
IRS Interest Charges
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage taxes
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax State
Unemployment Tax(SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License
Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world....
and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What in the hell happened????

progressives happened......

[Bahet]

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax,
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest expense
Inventory tax
IRS Interest Charges
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage taxes
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax State
Unemployment Tax(SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License
Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world....
and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What in the hell happened????

We didn't have phones, we didn't have paved roads in most places, we had no freeways, "public transportation" was coal burning trains, mail delivery from NY to CA took 2 weeks, we didn't have a lot of the items that are now taxed.

[janelle]

And yet, we were more prosperous.

[anothersta]

We didn't have phones, we didn't have paved roads in most places, we had no freeways, "public transportation" was coal burning trains, mail delivery from NY to CA took 2 weeks, we didn't have a lot of the items that are now taxed.

We had most of these things by 1909. They drove the roaring 20's.

Most were taxed/levied. Except the federal income tax, which didn't start until 1916 because the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional.


1643: The colony of New Plymouth, Massachusetts levies the first recorded income tax in America.

1861: Congress passed the first income tax law as an emergency measure to fund the Civil War.

1872: Congress repeals the income tax law.

1894: As a response to complaints that excessive reliance on tariffs as a source of revenue resulted in an increase in the cost of imported goods, Congress again passed an income tax law.

1895: The US Supreme Court ruled that the income tax law was unconstitutional.

1913: In February the 16th Amendment, which states "Congress shall have the power to lay and collect tax on incomes, from whatever sources derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration", was ratified by the necessary 3/4 of the states. On October 3rd Congress passed the Revenue Act of 1913, which created the first permanent US income tax.

Under this act, the first $3000 of income for single persons and $4000 for married couples was exempt from taxation. A "normal" tax of 1% was applied to income above $3000 or $4000, and a "super" tax of from 1-6% was applied to income in excess of $20,000. Deductions were allowed for business expenses (including depreciation), interest paid on "personal indebtedness", all national, state, county, school and municipal taxes paid, casualty losses, and worthless debt. In the first year only 1 out of every 271 American citizens were taxed and $28 Million in revenue was raised.

1916: The Federal Estate Tax was enacted to help generate additional revenue to fund America's anticipated entry into the first World War.

1917: Congress raised tax rates in response to the increasing cost of the war and approved credit for dependents and deductions for charitable contributions.

1918: The maximum combined basic and super income tax rate reached 77%.

1922: For the first time preferential tax treatment was provided for capital gains.

1932: The tax law was amended to provide that US presidents were liable for federal income tax on their salaries. Franklin Roosevelt was the first president since Abraham Lincoln to pay federal income tax on his presidential salary.

1935: The Social Security tax, 1% on the first $3000 of wages, was enacted.

1941: Tax tables for low-income taxpayers were introduced, simplifying the calculation of tax liability.

1942-1945: New tax laws, in response to the cost of World War 2, created withholding on wages, more tax brackets for lower income taxpayers, the standard deduction, a personal exemption for dependents, a deduction for medical expenses, and increased tax rates. By the end of the war the maximum tax rate was 94%.

1953: The Bureau of Internal Revenue becomes the Internal Revenue Service.

1954: Congress completely revised the Tax Code, changing rates, redefining Adjusted Gross Income, and adding credits for retirement income and dividends and new itemized deductions.

1961: Taxpayers were required to provide their Social Security or other taxpayer identification number to banks and other financial institutions so they could report interest and dividend payments to the IRS.

1964: Tax rates were reduced from a range of from 20% to 94% to from 16% to 77%. The Income Averaging method of tax computation was introduced.

1970: Congress created a Minimum Tax so high-income individuals could not completely avoid paying taxes through the use of preferential tax shelters, loopholes and deductions.

1972: Robert D Flach, who would later become the internert's WANDERING TAX PRO, prepares his first Form 1040 as a paid preparer.

1974: Congress created the deductible Individual Retirement Account (IRA) for taxpayers not covered by employer pension plans.

1975: Low-income taxpayers were allowed to claim a refundable Earned Income Credit (EIC).

1979: Unemployment compensation was made partially taxable.

1981: Tax legislation reduced tax rates by 25% over 3 years, indexed tax brackets for inflation, and applied the same tax rates to earned and unearned income.

1984: For the first time recipients of Social Security and Railroad Retirement benefits were subject to tax on up to 50% of the benefits received, depending on the recipient's income.

1986: The largest revision of the Tax Code since 1954, the Tax Reform Act of 1986, was enacted. The law reduced the number of tax brackets from 14 to 2, decreased the maximim tax rate from 50% to 28%, repealed the dividend exclusion, Income Averaging, the itemized deduction for sales tax paid and the preferential treatment of long-term capital gains, introduced the passive activity rules, the Kiddie Tax, the deduction from gross income for health insurance premiums paid by self-employed individuals, and the 2% of AGI limitation on most miscellaneous itemized deductions, phased out the itemized deduction for personal (credit card, auto loan, etc.) interest, limited the deduction for business meals and entertainment to 80%, and replaced the additional personal exemption s for age 65 and blind with an increased standard deduction.

1987: For the first time taxpayers were required to list the Social Security number of dependent children, age 5 and over.

1990: The Revenue Reconciliation Act of 1990 added a third tax bracket (31%) and instituted the reduction of itemized deductions and phase-out of personal exemptions for high-income taxpayers.

1993: The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act added the 36% and 39.6% tax brackets, increased the maximum tax on Social Security benefits from 50% to 85%, and reduced the deduction for business meals and entertaining from 80% to 50%.

1998: In response to abusive treatment of taxpayers by the Internal Revenue Service, the IRS Reform and Restructuring Act of 1998 was enacted.

2001: Congress passed the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001, the largest tax cut in over 20 years, with 85 major provisions. All provisions of this act will expire in 2011.

2003: To stimulate the economy, Congress passed the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, the third major tax bill in as many years, and the third largest tax cut in history.

http://rdftaxpro.tripod.com/taxhelp/id10.html

[anothersta]

Democrats seek financial rescue of minority-owned broadcasters
By Silla Brush
Posted: 05/19/09 06:13 PM [ET]
High-ranking House Democrats are urging the Treasury Department to prop up minority-owned broadcasters suffering from a lack of capital and lost advertising revenue amid the economic slump.

House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) is leading an effort to convince Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to take “decisive action” by extending credit to this sector of the broadcasting industry.

Clyburn and other senior members, including House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) and Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), argue that minority-owned broadcasters are sound businesses, but that the recession could undermine the government’s efforts to diversify the airwaves.

A number of members from the Congressional Black Caucus signed the letter, too.

“While many jobs are at stake, a more important principle — the government’s fundamental interest in promoting a diversity of voices, including service to underserved communities — is severely threatened,” the members write in a draft of a letter that was scheduled to be sent Tuesday.

The letter comes as some of the biggest recipients of government bailout money, including JPMorgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, jockey to repay government bailout money. As banks seek a way out from the government’s restrictions, other industries struggle and seek government support. Some firms seeking to repay the government argue that the government’s restrictions have burdened their businesses.

The congressmen suggest the Treasury Department could provide access to capital to minority-owned broadcasters, which they say represent less than 7 percent of full-power radio stations and a “negligible” ownership of television stations.

“They are looking for continued access to capital to continue their otherwise fundamentally sound operations,” the members write.

The letter suggests Treasury could set up a credit facility specific to the industry, similar to the government’s efforts to support auto suppliers, or possibly set up a program for bridge financing and government-backed loans until the economy improves.

“In addition to the credit crisis, also weighing heavily on minority broadcasters is a significant decline in advertising revenues, particularly the loss of automobile advertising,” the congressmen write.

http://thehill.com/business--lobby/democrats-seek-financial-rescue-of-minority-owned-broadcasters-2009-05-19.html

Does this administration's decisions hurt the little guy? Who cut Chrysler's advertising budget in half?? Yes, this admin's decisions DO hurt the little guy.

How much damage do you think will be done when they close all of these dealers down? People have worked years and years to build up a business and it's just going to be taken away.

Now, what community support, property taxes, charity donations will be lost when they do this? Many of these dealers are very active in supporting the communities in which they do business.

Not to mention all of the employees, mechanics that will lose their jobs. How's bout we go even further (like the argument for the automobile bailouts), what other businesses will suffer in the neighborhood when these dealers close down? These employees go out for lunch or how many times have you gone to the local Walgreens to fill a prescription during lunchtime.

Do the admin's policies hurt the little guy? If you mean, the middle class, yes.

And now the taxes for the universal (rationed gonna cost us a fortune with less choice and a BUREAUCRAT IN WASHINGTON MAKING YOUR HEALTHCARE DECISIONS) are for beer, alcohol, taxing healthcare benefits given to you by your employer, eliminate flexible spending accounts (in some cases that covered your child's day care, think SINGLE MOM).

I don't see how anyone can deny that the middle class is paying the price for a bloated wasteful out of control spending government.

I saw this and if it weren't such a serious situation, it would be laughable.

http://www.controlyourcredit.gov/

I think Congress needs to take some of their OWN ADVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And it's proof that they think all of this debt is just a big game. Click on the link, you won't believe it.

[anothersta]

Letter from a Dodge dealer
letter to the editor

My name is George C. Joseph. I am the sole owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu, a family owned and operated business in Melbourne, Florida. My family bought and paid for this automobile franchise 35 years ago in 1974. I am the second generation to manage this business.

We currently employ 50+ people and before the economic slowdown we employed over 70 local people. We are active in the community and the local chamber of commerce. We deal with several dozen local vendors on a day to day basis and many more during a month. All depend on our business for part of their livelihood. We are financially strong with great respect in the market place and community. We have strong local presence and stability.

I work every day the store is open, nine to ten hours a day. I know most of our customers and all our employees. Sunshine Dodge is my life.

On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them. My new vehicle inventory consists of 125 vehicles with a financed balance of 3 million dollars. This inventory becomes impossible to sell with no factory incentives beyond June 9, 2009. Without the Dodge franchise we can no longer sell a new Dodge as "new," nor will we be able to do any warranty service work. Additionally, my Dodge parts inventory, (approximately $300,000.) is virtually worthless without the ability to perform warranty service. There is no offer from Chrysler to buy back the vehicles or parts inventory.

Our facility was recently totally renovated at Chrysler's insistence, incurring a multi-million dollar debt in the form of a mortgage at Sun Trust Bank.

HOW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CAN THIS HAPPEN?

THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY

This is beyond imagination! My business is being stolen from me through NO FAULT OF OUR OWN. We did NOTHING wrong.

This atrocity will most likely force my family into bankruptcy. This will also cause our 50+ employees to be unemployed. How will they provide for their families? This is a total economic disaster.

HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN IN A FREE MARKET ECONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

I beseech your help, and look forward to your reply. Thank you.

Sincerely,

George C. Joseph
President & Owner
Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu

Sorry George. The president felt that the UAW needed 55% of the company stock along with 4 seats on the board.

You're the little guy, so you get tossed under the bus. And unfortunately, since we will be giving the COMPANY another 10 BILLION dollars, there is nothing left to compensate you for your investments.

Maybe if this had all gone to bankruptcy court to be settled by an unbiased judge, you may've had a chance. But, apparently, the US doesn't do that anymore. Contracts mean nothing