And now for some good news

[hesnothere]

The world only spins forward!

Vermont House Backs Gay Marriage
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123871484665384529.html#printMode

and this

Unanimous ruling: Iowa marriage no longer limited to one man, one woman
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090403/NEWS/90403010

Now how's that for some old fashioned midwestern common sense? And I'm from Jersey...

[tngirl]

Ok, sure.

[krisharry]

cool

[mikej]

Yay!

[jasmine]

Ok, sure.

ditto

[atprm]

that's awesome!! Wonder if they will do that in Utah

that just legitimized polygamy (since it's not just one man and one woman... it could be 2 men and 44 women ... or 1 man and 89 women!)

[jasmine]

that's awesome!! Wonder if they will do that in Utah

that just legitimized polygamy (since it's not just one man and one woman... it could be 2 men and 44 women ... or 1 man and 89 women!)

:rolling:rolling:rolling

[Shann]

this is awesome! I have to be honest, Iowa is one of the last places I ever expected that to happen. It seems many of the residents there are older very conservative republicans, :p (which is fine, but I don't want them telling ME how to live MY life.. TYVM) thankfully that is not the area I grew up in. I hope they keep it and don't take it away like last year. :)

[FauxHoChic]

Wow, the further decline of our culture, yay us.

[gmyers]

Wow, the further decline of our culture, yay us.

I agree completely.

[ElleGee]

The haters are the decline in this country.. Not the gays.

I am sooooooo glad that I live in a part of this country that is culturally advanced.

[atprm]

I wouldn't consider being gay as being culturally "advanced".

[ElleGee]

To each his own..
I think marriage is a 'culture' thing

[gmyers]

I wouldn't consider being gay as being culturally "advanced".

I don't either. Its just their sexual preference. Nothing advanced about it.

[ElleGee]

The allowing gay marriage is the 'advanced' thing.
My views on marriage, cultural advancement and the whole separation of church an state are waaaaay different than the 'average American" You wouldn't get it if I even tried explaining it to you....You just wouldn't...
But that's a discussion in a different topic on another day because I can see this going the same way it always does and I don't want to make it into that *shrug

[justice250]

sad that the country is declining so much under obama

[speedygirl]

sad that the country is declining so much under obama

Gay marriage was legalized elsewhere before Obama became president.

[pepperpot]

Well, I'm glad that there is an institution that people feel validated and have equal rights. I have no problem with that....everyone deserves to be recognized and have the same rights and privileges as any other.

My only problem is with verbiage. "Marriage", for me in this aspect, means man and woman. That is the definition I know. I feel a man/man or woman/woman should have the same rights and an equal recognition, but by definition/reference, should have another term..."partnership"? maybe? :shrug....perhaps there's a better 'label'....

Just as pink is pink and blue is blue...they are both colors of equal stature and one is not better than another.....it just describes the relationship to hue a bit more accurately.

[janelle]

It's just activists judges doing their idiot thing. If they put it to a vote---which they probably will do---it will fail big time.

Evolution says one man, one women. Has nothing to do with religion. Religion just formalized it to a union so the family would be protected. A baby is most protected and nurtured with a father and a mother who are in love. Blame evolution the most. Passing on our genetic code is wired into humans, even those who do not desire or are able to have children for one reason---infertility---or another---people still have the urge to procreate, thus being attracted to the same sex is a road block and evolution gone off track.

From anthropologists who study humans and evolution throughout the ages. There are many mistakes in nature but mostly nature gets it right or we would all die out.

If a person is born with both sex organs we would call it a mistake in nature but gays want us to believe same sex attraction is natural when we all know it is also a mistake in nature. Flame away.

[hesnothere]

What fuels homophobia?
The desire to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and thus to reserve special privileges to heterosexuals, appears to have many causes. Some are:

Inability or unwillingness to change the information received during childhood.
Fear of people who are different.
Promotion of homophobia by a religious group.
A heterosexual's natural feeling of repulsion at the thought of engaging in same-sex activity. Realizing that homosexual behavior is unnatural for them, some people generalize this feeling into the belief that homosexuality is wrong for everyone.
Actual homosexual feelings that a person cannot acknowledge or handle.
Low self esteem leading to a need to hate other group(s).

[SurferGirl]

The haters are the decline in this country.. Not the gays.

I am sooooooo glad that I live in a part of this country that is culturally advanced.

Why must you call people who oppose gay marriage haters?
You can't go through life calling everyone that disagrees with you a hater.
Most people aren't opposed to them having some rights that married people do but don't like marriage being redefined.

[SurferGirl]

What fuels homophobia?
The desire to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and thus to reserve special privileges to heterosexuals, appears to have many causes. Some are:

Inability or unwillingness to change the information received during childhood.
Fear of people who are different.
Promotion of homophobia by a religious group.
A heterosexual's natural feeling of repulsion at the thought of engaging in same-sex activity. Realizing that homosexual behavior is unnatural for them, some people generalize this feeling into the belief that homosexuality is wrong for everyone.
Actual homosexual feelings that a person cannot acknowledge or handle.
Low self esteem leading to a need to hate other group(s).

Don't you think it's pretty bad to go around criticising others who don't agree with your lifestyle. You can do as you wish but please do not use the term marriage to define your relationship. I'm sure there are many other acceptable words in the English language, find one.

[tngirl]

I'm a hater, she's a hater, he's a hater.....wouldn't you like to be a hater, too?

[hesnothere]

Don't you think it's pretty bad to go around criticising others who don't agree with your lifestyle. You can do as you wish but please do not use the term marriage to define your relationship. I'm sure there are many other acceptable words in the English language, find one.
Don't you think it's bad making assumptions about people you don't know? I'm not gay, just evolved.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage

Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date: 14th century
1 a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b: the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected ; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3: an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry — J. T. Shawcross>

[atprm]

they don't put definition number 1 in that position over definition number 2 without reason.


I'm not gay, just evolved.

so if you don't believe in gayness and lesbianese you aren't "evolved"??? :rolleyes: It's insulting.

[ElleGee]

Why must you call people who oppose gay marriage haters?

Because I can and because it's true.. The whole attitude is fueled by hate. and it's pretty disgusting.


You can't go through life calling everyone that disagrees with you a hater.

Yeah, I can... Watch..

People who deny other people equal rights are nothing but haters... See? I did it that simply.. Do not try and tell me what I can and can't do dear I will always prove you wrong..


Most people aren't opposed to them having some rights that married people do but don't like marriage being redefined.

Apparently most people in Vermont, Massachusetts, Iowa and any other state that approves gay mariage have already spoken..

You do not know what most people are thinking. You're not a psychologist, sociologist, nor psychic...

[SurferGirl]

[QUOTE=ElleGee;96139469]Because I can and because it's true.. The whole attitude is fueled by hate. and it's pretty disgusting.

Yeah, I can... Watch..

People who deny other people equal rights are nothing but haters... See? I did it that simply.. Do not try and tell me what I can and can't do dear I will always prove you wrong..

Apparently most people in Vermont, Massachusetts, Iowa and any other state that approves gay mariage have already spoken..

You do not know what most people are thinking. You're not a psychologist, sociologist, nor psychic...[/QUOTE




I think it's pretty rude to call people haters just for standing up for their principles. If you want to be rude that's your choice but it actually proves that you are the hater. Calling people haters is also name calling and frowned on.

[ElleGee]

I think it's pretty rude to call people haters just for standing up for their principles. If you want to be rude that's your choice but it actually proves that you are the hater. Calling people haters is also name calling and frowned on.

OK let me put it a bit more simply...

I do not care what you think. Period.. I do not care if I am frowned upon. Period. Especially by you. You, honestly, in the grand scheme of things do not matter... Period

How do you not get that?

I think you are extremely rude like oh say " wanting to make someone cry" or "use smaller words" on people.. The only way you'll make someone cry is by you typing more and people having a good belly laugh....

I hate people who deny other people basic human rights. So yep I am a hater of the voting kind. And apparently as of late my vote has counted :)

Besides what's worse? Rudeness or bigotry?

[krisharry]

Why must you call people who oppose gay marriage haters?
You can't go through life calling everyone that disagrees with you a hater.
Most people aren't opposed to them having some rights that married people do but don't like marriage being redefined.

OK, here is what I don't understand. The marriage being redefined thing. I am happily married to DH for 20 years this Dec. OMG, I am old. LOL. If my neighbor who is homosexual decides to marry his BF and be in a marriage with him, how does that affect my marriage? It does not change the sacredness of my vows that I took w/DH or the makeup of my relationship with him one bit. His getting hitched would in no way change my life at all.

Now another point -I was free to marry DH. I chose to do that and was legally able to. Now what if I had fallen in love not with him but say with his sister instead (and before it comes up I did not just using as example). Should I not be able to marry her? What is the difference? And this has nothing to do with religion or church as different religions are free to exercise their own rules for marriage. If I was free to choose DH why not his sister? I see it as no different than if I were to have chosen a different man to marry? Why should it matter to anyone else?

[krisharry]

they don't put definition number 1 in that position over definition number 2 without reason.



so if you don't believe in gayness and lesbianese you aren't "evolved"??? :rolleyes: It's insulting.

Dictionaries always list the most common definition of a word first. It doesn't mean the other definitions are any less valid.

I don't think you are not evolved if you don't believe in homosexuality. We are all free to believe in or not believe in anything. But just because you don't believe in something, doesn't mean other people shouldn't or can't believe in it. I don't believe in Buddhism-it's not my religion- but many others do as is their right. It's not for me to say what they should believe in. KWIM?

[tngirl]

Just because someone does not support same sex marriage does not make them a bigot or a hater. A bigot and hater would hate the person as well as the actions. Just because someone states their views based on their moral values does not make them a hater. It is pretty simple really, Love the person, hate the sin. And who is rude and a hater? You hate us for our opinions, views and moral values but we don't go around calling you a hater or a bigot.

Honestly, when you stoop to name calling and insults you have already lost your argument because it kind of loses it validity. I know that you use the name calling and insulting in a general sense in order to skirt the rules against it. But, it is the same as directly calling someone in particular names.

Try using some facts to back up your opinions once in a while, you might just come across as being a bit more informed and show a bit of class.

[ElleGee]

Just because someone does not support same sex marriage does not make them a bigot or a hater. A bigot and hater would hate the person as well as the actions. Just because someone states their views based on their moral values does not make them a hater. It is pretty simple really, Love the person, hate the sin. And who is rude and a hater? You hate us for our opinions, views and moral values but we don't go around calling you a hater or a bigot.

It's called discrimination. Discrimination is based on hate.. Just because your values differ from other people doesn't make it 'not right'. It's pretty simple :eyeroll


Honestly, when you stoop to name calling and insults you have already lost your argument because it kind of loses it validity. I know that you use the name calling and insulting in a general sense in order to skirt the rules against it. But, it is the same as directly calling someone in particular names.

I call a spade a spade... And being a 'hater' is more than just being the person.. it's the 'tude' as well..


Try using some facts to back up your opinions once in a while, you might just come across as being a bit more informed and show a bit of class.


What 'facts' would you like me to bring up? What is in dispute here that you do not get? I think you have a disconnect somewhere.... I did not cite news sources I used my own opinion.

Honestly I don't think you know what you are asking for.....