Stop Obama or "the US will cease to exist"

[tngirl]

Will the White House now say that Alan Keyes doesn't know what he is talking about? Watch this VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqkMfToY9Pk&eurl=http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/) and see for yourself.




“We are claiming that a bankrupt government can save a bankrupt banking system,” Keyes said. “The fact that we have just elected an individual – who may or may not be qualified – and he presents silly ideas like this and says, ‘Let’s move forward now,’ and we’re all acting like the laws of economics have been repealed and we can actually afford to foot the bill with money nobody’s got, this is insane.

“It’s got to lead to the collapse of our economy,” Keys declared, “and it’s going to.” - WND (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89612)

[SurferGirl]

Thank you for posting this, I agree with what Keyes said. I also agree that obama is not a real president and I refuse to refer to him as president in fact I have such a low regard for obama I won't even capitalize his name. I don't think he was legally elected and if they added up all the fraudulent ballots I'm sure that that baby killer wouldn't be in office. I think he is intentionally causing the mistrust in the banking system and the stock market. Just listen to him, every time he opens his mouth he makes things sound like there is no hope. He's done more damage to the financial structure of this country than bin lauden did.

[poggles3]

Thank you, I had missed this but am glad you brought it to my attention. I learned one thing I didnt know before now.

[SurferGirl]

I watched this one too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP8YnOADO3E&feature=related

and this one too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I36vH_uTbic&feature=related

[tngirl]

Here is a bit more information on Oklahoma declaring their sovereignty.

LINK (http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/?p=903)

[poggles3]

Here is a bit more information on Oklahoma declaring their sovereignty.

LINK (http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/?p=903)

WTG OK. Atleast their government has ba**s. I guess I'll end up having to move to get away from this bs, we live in one of the few remaining commonwealth states they will never turn on big brother.

[dangerousfem]

ok.. sometimes the government speak makes my eyes glaze over..lol... can someone break down what this means?

[tngirl]

Translation of the OP video:

We are screwed. The government doesn't have money but they plan on bailing out everyone and their brothers. They are even talking about taking over banks. Also, these plans the have set in motion will basically void mortgage contracts. By the government planning on spending all this money that they don't have it is going to totally bankrupt our government and if this happens we will cease to exist.

Translation of the Sovereignty issue:

Oklahoma is basically telling the federal government that they have NO right to tell them what to do. The Constitution clearly spells out what the federal government can and cannot do. There are also several other states that have the same plans in the works.

Even though most people believe that the Civil War was a war over slavery, it was actually a war over States Rights. The Southern states did not have equal representation in Washington so they were basically told what they could and couldn't do by the Northern states and Washington. This is what the Civil War was about. Sound familiar, yeah.....

[dangerousfem]

Translation of the Sovereignty issue:

Oklahoma is basically telling the federal government that they have NO right to tell them what to do. The Constitution clearly spells out what the federal government can and cannot do. There are also several other states that have the same plans in the works.

Even though most people believe that the Civil War was a war over slavery, it was actually a war over States Rights. The Southern states did not have equal representation in Washington so they were basically told what they could and couldn't do by the Northern states and Washington. This is what the Civil War was about. Sound familiar, yeah.....

thanks.. thats the one I wanted..and yea.. thats kidda what I was thinking... just hoping I was understanding it wrong...

[jasmine]

Here is a bit more information on Oklahoma declaring their sovereignty.

LINK (http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/?p=903)

hello neighbor, I'm from OK. also

[kiki72m]

im sorry but you know. i think we were in an economic mess before he even took office. I think that we should all do our part to help our country get out of this mess versus wasting useless time bad mouthing people. No matter if an individual likes it or not this is our new president. Just like if an individual did or didn't like bush I still believed it was our duty to do our part and stand by our country not just the president. We work together to help fix our mess. It's not just his, or the man that was in office before him but all of OUR mess. And I capitalized that.

[poggles3]

im sorry but you know. i think we were in an economic mess before he even took office. I think that we should all do our part to help our country get out of this mess versus wasting useless time bad mouthing people. No matter if an individual likes it or not this is our new president. Just like if an individual did or didn't like bush I still believed it was our duty to do our part and stand by our country not just the president. We work together to help fix our mess. It's not just his, or the man that was in office before him but all of OUR mess. And I capitalized that.

I always felt the same way you do, until now.
I love my country not its leaders. I support our troops. I also support OK's decision. I believe this country is going straight to hell and I will not support those who help bring it down even further than we already were a few months ago. The entire bailout/stimulus is a joke, it is going to make things so much worse and yes I believe we are headed for a complete economic breakdown. Remember the stories your grandparents told you about standing in line for food and gas???? Get ready to live it were well on our way..........

[pepperpot]

im sorry but you know. i think we were in an economic mess before he even took office. I think that we should all do our part to help our country get out of this mess versus wasting useless time bad mouthing people. No matter if an individual likes it or not this is our new president. Just like if an individual did or didn't like bush I still believed it was our duty to do our part and stand by our country not just the president. We work together to help fix our mess. It's not just his, or the man that was in office before him but all of OUR mess. And I capitalized that.

I don't think anyone will deny that we are in a mess....it is a given, we are in a mess.

However, we need someone who will make the right choice and bring us out of it, not sink us deeper.

If you notice, it's not bad mouthing him but his policies and decisions so far......do we all stand and watch while Rome burn when we could possibly stop it?

It is our mess and our country, that's why we are so concerned. We want it fixed, not destroyed. So lets work together, not be told, "I won, I trump you"....:(

[jasmine]

I always felt the same way you do, until now.
I love my country not its leaders. I support our troops. I also support OK's decision. I believe this country is going straight to hell and I will not support those who help bring it down even further than we already were a few months ago. The entire bailout/stimulus is a joke, it is going to make things so much worse and yes I believe we are headed for a complete economic breakdown. Remember the stories your grandparents told you about standing in line for food and gas???? Get ready to live it were well on our way..........

may sound wierd to some, but in the back of my mind I have food/survival prepartions going on. Such, I have a propane stove/oven, I am going to get the tank totally filled, that way I can still cook and have heat even if I don't have electric... start stocking up on canned goods/get a hand~can opener. soap, gargage sale shopping for extra clothes~and expected sizes bigger for the kids to grow in, shoes..... and the list goes on and on.
Do you think that's crazy?

[pepperpot]

may sound wierd to some, but in the back of my mind I have food/survival prepartions going on. Such, I have a propane stove/oven, I am going to get the tank totally filled, that way I can still cook and have heat even if I don't have electric... start stocking up on canned goods/get a hand~can opener. soap, gargage sale shopping for extra clothes~and expected sizes bigger for the kids to grow in, shoes..... and the list goes on and on.
Do you think that's crazy?

Except for stocking up on propane, well, we always had a spare tank full :lol....I do all that anyway.....:lol Don't forget to buy some vegetable seeds....

[jasmine]

for some reason I believe that we are going to have to sink to the lowest of lowest, then start from the bottom and crawl our way back up. Kind of like an alcholic, being smack down faced in the mud before getting up.

[poggles3]

may sound wierd to some, but in the back of my mind I have food/survival prepartions going on. Such, I have a propane stove/oven, I am going to get the tank totally filled, that way I can still cook and have heat even if I don't have electric... start stocking up on canned goods/get a hand~can opener. soap, gargage sale shopping for extra clothes~and expected sizes bigger for the kids to grow in, shoes..... and the list goes on and on.
Do you think that's crazy?

Not crazy at all, I have been entertaining the same thoughts lately. Using all the coupons I have to get extras we may not need or even use unless things go way wrong. It's no where near crazy to me!

[hblueeyes]

This mess started way before Bush was prez. But it was Bush who said NO to loosening the standards for mortgages. It were the dems that pushed it thru. But before obama became prez he went to the senate and tho he did little in office besides campaign for president he did manage to receive the 2nd or 3 rd largest $$$ amounts from the banking industry. Senator Dod received the most. People bash bush for the war yet you never hear of the US in Yugoslavia or Kosovo whichever you choose. Yep Clinton went in without the ok from congress and we are still there.

Also in the grand scheme of things, it seems that only 2% of homeowners are in default. The reason given that the standards were loosened was to allow minorities and the poor homeownership. So I would venture to say that those who are to be bailed out are minority and illegal immigrants. That 2% number includes the whole population and includes renters who make up something like 32% of the pie. I would like to see the numbers on what the mortgage foreclosure is regarding race. This came to me when I heard that they want unemployment insurance for part time workers and that benefits will not be lost if a job is refused. Sounds like another minority handout to me.

Me

[anothersta]

im sorry but you know. i think we were in an economic mess before he even took office. I think that we should all do our part to help our country get out of this mess versus wasting useless time bad mouthing people. No matter if an individual likes it or not this is our new president. Just like if an individual did or didn't like bush I still believed it was our duty to do our part and stand by our country not just the president. We work together to help fix our mess. It's not just his, or the man that was in office before him but all of OUR mess. And I capitalized that.

BHO is shoving things down the Americans' throats that we DON'T want. aka Health care czar.

If we disagree, it's our DUTY to speak up. And it's not badmouthing, it's disagreement. It's not OUR mess, it's Pelosi's, Reid's, Dodd's and Frank's. It would be nice if someone (maybe the pres?) would step in and put an end to it instead of nurturing it.

[Bizzimommi]

I have been stocking up on EVERYTHING too. Canned goods, health and hygiene items, and more. I dont think many people realize if things turn sour, its going to turn sour fast and in less than a day you might not be able to feed your family. Its scary, and a lot of my friends think I am crazy, but I am going to try to be ready to take care of my kids even when we sink to the lowest of lows. Glad I am not the only one thinking this way.

[Jolie Rouge]

HOW does he plan to make this work ? He just dropped us in an additional trillion dollar hole ....

Obama aims to halve deficit by 2013
By Ross Colvin Ross Colvin
Sun Feb 22, 5:53 am ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama wants to slash the ballooning deficit in half by 2013, U.S. officials said on Saturday, after massively increasing public spending to stem the worst economic crisis in decades.

Obama will outline his ambitious goal when he hosts a summit at the White House on Monday on fiscal responsibility and later in the week when his administration presents a summary of its first budget, for the 2010 fiscal year.

With tens of thousands of Americans losing their jobs in the midst of a global economic meltdown, Obama has said fixing the U.S. economy is his top priority. He has acknowledged that his success or failure in that will define his presidency. "We can't generate sustained growth without getting our deficits under control," Obama said in his weekly radio address in which he also announced immediate implementation of tax cuts for 95 percent of Americans as part of the effort to stimulate the economy.

An administration official said Obama was proposing to cut the deficit, which private economists project will rise to $1.5 trillion this year, through a mixture of tax increases on wealthier Americans and spending cuts. "The deficit this administration inherited was $1.3 trillion or 9.2 percent of GDP. By 2013, the end of the president's first term, the budget cuts the deficit to $533 billion or 3.0 percent of GDP," the official told Reuters on condition of anonymity. "Most of the savings will come from winding down the war in Iraq, increased (tax) revenue from those making more than $250,000 a year, and savings from making government work more efficiently and eliminating programs that do not work," the official said.

The United States spent about $190 billion on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2008. Obama has pledged to withdraw U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months while ramping up the U.S. military effort in Afghanistan.

Since being sworn into office on January 20, Obama has sought to reassure Americans that his government is tackling the economic crisis boldly and swiftly -- holding near-daily events to announce measures to stem mortgage foreclosures, prop up failing banks, rescue the ailing auto industry and drive his stimulus package through Democratic-led Congress.

The measures have received a mixed early reaction from gloomy financial markets uncertain whether they will succeed in arresting the downward economic spiral.

BUSH TAX CUTS

A second administration official confirmed a Washington Post story that said Obama would propose boosting tax collection from about 16 percent of the economy this year to 19 percent in 2013, while federal spending would drop from about 26 percent of the economy to 22 percent in the same period.

He said Obama would let tax cuts implemented by his predecessor George W. Bush for Americans earning more than $250,000 expire on schedule at the end of 2010, when the tax rate would rise from 35 percent to more than 39 percent.

Obama told Americans in his radio address it was vital to get "exploding deficits under control as our country begins to recover."

"On Thursday I'll release a budget that's sober in its assessments, honest in its accounting, and lays out in detail my strategy for investing in what we need, cutting what we don't and restoring fiscal discipline," he said.

Obama has invited business and union leaders, academics and lawmakers to a summit on Monday to discuss ways of cutting the deficit. That will be followed by an address to a joint session of Congress on Tuesday in which he said he would outline "our urgent national priorities."

In early January, just a few weeks before Obama took office, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projected that the budget deficit would soar to $1.2 trillion for the current 2009 fiscal year that ends September 30.

But that figure excluded the recently passed $787 billion stimulus package, a combination of tax cuts and spending on infrastructure projects over more than two years.

Private analysts expect the impact of the stimulus package and other spending to counter the economic downturn will push the deficit to $1.5 trillion or more this year. That would be more than triple the $455 billion deficit recorded in 2008.

"Over time, the budget deficit will make it harder for our economy to grow and create jobs. That's why the president's budget for FY (fiscal year) 2010 puts us on the path to cut the deficit he inherited on January 20, 2009, in half by the end of his first term," an administration official told Reuters.

Earlier on Saturday, Obama said the U.S. Treasury will implement tax cuts for 95 percent of Americans enacted as part of the $897 billion stimulus package, fulfilling a campaign pledge he hopes will help jolt the economy out of recession.

"I'm pleased to announce that this morning the Treasury Department began directing employers to reduce the amount of taxes withheld from paychecks, meaning that by April 1st, a typical family will begin taking home at least $65 more every month," Obama said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090222/pl_nm/us_obama_6

[Jolie Rouge]

[i]2/21/2009[i/]
Obama’s Plan to Save the Economy: Raise Taxes

http://patterico.com/2009/02/21/obamas-plan-to-save-the-economy-raise-taxes/

No, I’m not kidding: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/21/AR2009022100911_pf.html


President Obama is putting the finishing touches on an ambitious first budget that seeks to cut the federal deficit in half over the next four years, primarily by raising taxes on business and the wealthy and by slashing spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, administration officials said.

I’m pretty sure raising taxes is generally accepted as a great way to jump-start an ailing economy.

Just ask our legislators here in California.

And I’m pleased to see Obama’s big commitment to turning Afghanistan around includes slashing spending on that war.

Warm up your chucklin’ muscles before you read further:


In his weekly radio and Internet address today, Obama expressed determination to “get exploding deficits under control” and described his budget request as “sober in its assessments, honest in its accounting, and lays out in detail my strategy for investing in what we need, cutting what we don’t, and restoring fiscal discipline.”

Hey, I know a good way to do that. A trillion-dollar stimulus package packed to the gills with pork spending!

[SurferGirl]

I plan on stocking up because I think things will be difficult.
I think the stock market will probably crash, it seems to go down every time obama gets on the news and says the sky is falling.
I don't think that FDIC insurance will do us much good if the government doesn't have any money. Also if obama plans on printing the money for the theft act it will make our money practically worthless anyway.
I'm stocking up on things like soap and toilet paper and soup and crackers and canned fruit and tuna and things like that and I do have some things already in my garden and lots of seeds to plant in the spring. I even bought several bottles of alcohol to use in my fondue pot for simple cooking if we don't have power. We have extra bags of charcoal and I have a few boxes of things that I haven't shredded yet that would help start a fire in an outside grill.

[tngirl]

im sorry but you know. i think we were in an economic mess before he even took office. I think that we should all do our part to help our country get out of this mess versus wasting useless time bad mouthing people. No matter if an individual likes it or not this is our new president. Just like if an individual did or didn't like bush I still believed it was our duty to do our part and stand by our country not just the president. We work together to help fix our mess. It's not just his, or the man that was in office before him but all of OUR mess. And I capitalized that.

You are right, our economy has been taking a beating for a while now. A major contributing factor is NAFTA, ever hear of that? How are you going to help an ailing economy if your citizens are constantly losing their jobs because companies are moving off shore? Repealing NAFTA would go a long way in helping our economy. Spending money creating government jobs such as this new stimilus plan does is crazy beyond belief.

This thread has nothing to do with bashing Obama, it is about the position we are ALL in. I support my country and right now it is being torn to shreds and if things do not change quickly life as we know it is going to end and as someone mentioned earlier....it will be quick and most people will NOT be prepared.

[Jolie Rouge]

im sorry but you know. i think we were in an economic mess before he even took office. I think that we should all do our part to help our country get out of this mess versus wasting useless time bad mouthing people. No matter if an individual likes it or not this is our new president. Just like if an individual did or didn't like bush I still believed it was our duty to do our part and stand by our country not just the president. We work together to help fix our mess. It's not just his, or the man that was in office before him but all of OUR mess. And I capitalized that.



....versus wasting useless time bad mouthing people.

Stating FACTS is not "bad mouthing" anyone. If we made personal comments like ... "a village in Hawaii is missing it's idiot ... that might be considered bad mouthing someone.

However these are FACTS versus a personal comment, opinion, or observation :

Is it any wonder that the stock market just had its worst January since 1896?
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/02/obama-sets-record-last-month-was-worst.html

Is is any wonder Wall Street gave Obama a Big Fat "F" for his first month in office?
http://www.wowowow.com/post/liz-peek-barack-obama-economy-stimulus-214454

Is it any wonder the stock market is off nearly 10% from the day before the inauguration? http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI#chart4:symbol=^dji;range=1m;indic ator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues =0;logscale=on;source=undefined

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SaBv5oR5JNI/AAAAAAAAaLY/jNdce2veB3s/s1600-h/obama+market.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SaBv5oR5JNI/AAAAAAAAaLY/jNdce2veB3s/s1600-h/obama+market.JPG


...Welcome to the age of hope and change.


Jules Crittenden on Obama's teaser that he's going to cut the deficit in half... the same week he signed the largest spending bill in US history.
http://www.julescrittenden.com/2009/02/21/hes-baaaaaaaack/

[anothersta]

"I'm pleased to announce that this morning the Treasury Department began directing employers to reduce the amount of taxes withheld from paychecks, meaning that by April 1st, a typical family will begin taking home at least $65 more every month," Obama said.

Okay, this one really threw me. Now the dude can't even do simple math????

13.00 per week adds up to 52.00 per four weeks, but we all know that there are actually about 4 1/2 weeks to a month. (I know it's a little less, but I'm giving BHO best case scenerio 'cause that's the kinda guy I am)

So, another 6.50 adds up to 58.50 per month. What the heck?? Our pres can't even do 4th grade math.... or.... . he's just a flat out liar.

He doesn't mention that it goes down to 8.00 per week in a year. Also doesn't mention that it will be ZERO per week after he taxes businesses to the hilt and we all lose our jobs :(

[Jolie Rouge]

So, another 6.50 adds up to 58.50 per month. What the heck?? Our pres can't even do 4th grade math.... or.... . he's just a flat out liar.

What a choice ...

[anothersta]

What a choice ...

My guess is, it's the latter.

[pepperpot]

What really eats me up about this whole thing is...people saw this coming, people saw his ideology, his intentions and his short comings....only when they voiced their opinion about it they were stifled and disregarded with a reply....."You just don't want a black person in office, you're racist"...... Some saw the steam roller coming but were squashed and drowned out by chants of "Obama and Change".....drastic change is certain if this continues.....:(

I don't get any satisfaction from saying, "I told you so".....I just want to find a way out of this mess and stop this disastrous rolling ball.....

[whatever]

I always felt the same way you do, until now.
I love my country not its leaders. I support our troops. I also support OK's decision. I believe this country is going straight to hell and I will not support those who help bring it down even further than we already were a few months ago. The entire bailout/stimulus is a joke, it is going to make things so much worse and yes I believe we are headed for a complete economic breakdown. Remember the stories your grandparents told you about standing in line for food and gas???? Get ready to live it were well on our way..........
I Agree with you. But It was Obama that wanted to pass this last stimulus bill that was full of crap!!

Okay, this one really threw me. Now the dude can't even do simple math????

13.00 per week adds up to 52.00 per four weeks, but we all know that there are actually about 4 1/2 weeks to a month. (I know it's a little less, but I'm giving BHO best case scenerio 'cause that's the kinda guy I am)

So, another 6.50 adds up to 58.50 per month. What the heck?? Our pres can't even do 4th grade math.... or.... . he's just a flat out liar.

He doesn't mention that it goes down to 8.00 per week in a year. Also doesn't mention that it will be ZERO per week after he taxes businesses to the hilt and we all lose our jobs :(

I wish/hope we have a choice on this. Because this is not really doing anyone any good. Think about it. If you plan on your regular refund in Jan. forget it because you have gotten all this monthly money back. So his is not even a stimulus. Its just a tax cut. So If people pay in in their taxes they will be paying in big time now.
At least Bush gave us a non taxable check.

[whatever]

What really eats me up about this whole thing is...people saw this coming, people saw his ideology, his intentions and his short comings....only when they voiced their opinion about it they were stifled and disregarded with a reply....."You just don't want a black person in office, you're racist"...... Some saw the steam roller coming but were squashed and drowned out by chants of "Obama and Change".....drastic change is certain if this continues.....:(

I don't get any satisfaction from saying, "I told you so".....I just want to find a way out of this mess and stop this disastrous rolling ball.....

I don't know did you see the MSNBC guy on the news yelling at Obama about the mortagage crap in the stimulus. I thought that was funny. At least one of those loosers has seen the light.

[SurferGirl]

I wonder if there is any way possible for the people to demand a recount.
We all know about all the voter fraud and with ACORN and that witch in Ohio, Jennifer Bruner or something like that we should be able to get enough illegal votes thrown out that we could be led by a real leader. McCain may be an old guy but he's a whole lot better than that obama ba$tard.

OK, I will admit to the fact I am bashing someone that is destroying my country. So go after me for it. I stand up for what I feel is right.

[Mini]

Ok I guess I am gonna get run over but Im gonna have to say it.

The economy was bad before Obama took office. It would have been bad even if McCain had took office. Would he have done things differently? Of course. Would it have been better then what Obama has done? Nobody knows that. You can say well yes of course hes the one I wanted he wouldnt have done what Obama has done. While that may be true the bottom line is you dont know how things would have turned out. They could be alot better but they could also be alot worse. He just took office Im not judging anything yet, it was gonna be bad regardless.

[pepperpot]

Ok I guess I am gonna get run over but Im gonna have to say it.

The economy was bad before Obama took office. It would have been bad even if McCain had took office. Would he have done things differently? Of course. Would it have been better then what Obama has done? Nobody knows that. You can say well yes of course hes the one I wanted he wouldnt have done what Obama has done. While that may be true the bottom line is you dont know how things would have turned out. They could be alot better but they could also be alot worse. He just took office Im not judging anything yet, it was gonna be bad regardless.

If McCain would've done the same thing Obama is doing....McCain would be backing him 100% and voting right along for all his policies...he's not.

McCain was/is true to himself, no matter which party it agreed with.


He just took office Im not judging anything yet, it was gonna be bad regardless.
BTW When is it appropriate for one to start to judge him and at what point does one say "enough, we're going in the wrong direction"? After all the horses have left the barn?

[ahippiechic]

A Rep stimulus plan would have been full of pork too...they always are, no matter whose plan it is. The money would have just benefited different crooks.

[pepperpot]

A Rep stimulus plan would have been full of pork too...they always are, no matter whose plan it is. The money would have just benefited different crooks.

Sorry, I think that's a cop out and not a valid excuse to condone the direction he is taking this country in.......

[Mini]

If McCain would've done the same thing Obama is doing....McCain would be backing him 100% and voting right along for all his policies...he's not.

I never said he would do the samething?? I said


It would have been bad even if McCain had took office. Would he have done things differently? Of course

[ahippiechic]

No where did I say if condone the direction you think our country is going in or not.

No cop out; pork is pork and it's in almost everything they pass or try to pass, no matter who comes up with it, Rep or Dem.

[freeby4me]

Sorry, I think that's a cop out and not a valid excuse to condone the direction he is taking this country in.......

Oh puh-lease. You darn well know that any bill that goes through would have pork in it.


This thread like every other thread is ridiculous.

[anothersta]

A Rep stimulus plan would have been full of pork too...they always are, no matter whose plan it is. The money would have just benefited different crooks.

The last few stimulus' that were done by the Bush admit consisted of send us all checks. How was that full of pork? And, the republicans' counter proposal was only 450B cost.

So, let's face it. Our economy is currently a roulette wheel. No one's ever done anything like this, we've never seen these kindof times, anything we try is a gamble.

So, when you're at the roulette wheel, you wanta bet a little or are you going to gamble your whole savings?

I'd rather bet a smaller amount and give it some time to work itself out, then see what happens before making another decision.

To quote Glenn Beck, "Congress is saying let 'er ride" and I"m not liking it.

BHO is now referring to the stimulus bill as a stimuli, which tells me there's more than one. What do you think they can slip into the next bill?

We know he wants electricity prices to 'neccesarily skyrocket'....

[ahippiechic]

The last few stimulus' that were done by the Bush admit consisted of send us all checks. How was that full of pork?

Yes, I'll grant those were 'porkless'. But did they give people jobs etc etc?

I'm not defending Obama's spending, I think it was a ridiculous amount of pork in it and though I do think it will help some, not enough.

[ElleGee]

Every president has their own 'pork agenda' it's not like that is nothing new

[krisharry]

OK, economics is cyclical in nature, there will always be highs and lows. Government interference usually doesn't significantly change that. However, it can help lessen the effects of a low on its citizens. So regardless of Obama, McCain, or Mickey Mouse in office and whatever policies they may have, this too shall pass.

[poggles3]

OK, economics is cyclical in nature, there will always be highs and lows. Government interference usually doesn't significantly change that. However, it can help lessen the effects of a low on its citizens. So regardless of Obama, McCain, or Mickey Mouse in office and whatever policies they may have, this too shall pass.

But what condition will this country be in when it passes? Thats what scares the hell outta me.

[SurferGirl]

The Republicans had a much better plan. They wanted to cut taxes that would have really created jobs and helped our own economy grow. They were told that obama won so their ideas didn't matter.

[pepperpot]

No where did I say if condone the direction you think our country is going in or not.

No cop out; pork is pork and it's in almost everything they pass or try to pass, no matter who comes up with it, Rep or Dem.

By not being outraged or speaking out against it is saying, "well that's the way it is"...is condoning.... How would it ever change if we resolve ourselves to saying, "that's the way it is"...that is acceptance and condoning...:agree

And it's not just the 'pork' in the bill.....it's the meat of the bill itself that there's a problem with.....

[pepperpot]

I never said he would do the samething?? I said

You are correct you did say that. :agree

[pepperpot]

OK, economics is cyclical in nature, there will always be highs and lows. Government interference usually doesn't significantly change that. However, it can help lessen the effects of a low on its citizens. So regardless of Obama, McCain, or Mickey Mouse in office and whatever policies they may have, this too shall pass.

Hopefully, we'll all be left standing when it does....

[anothersta]

Yes, I'll grant those were 'porkless'. But did they give people jobs etc etc?



It gave folks a little more money to spend, so it did keep some jobs. Not given jobs, earned jobs.

FDR gave people jobs and in turned, rammed unemployment up into the teens. Look for inflation to take hold next, since our gov added a trillion dollars to our money supply.

hoping it doesn't move to hyperinflation.

[Bizzimommi]

One thing that I have noticed in my own area is that there seems to be a real filter on the news. If its not praise for BHO or his policies then there is no news on BHO or his policies. This is something that I find slightly scary as well. I think of myself as a somewhat well informed woman, but now I am having to search high and low to find the "truth".

I didn't vote for BHO. But was hopeful when he was elected and was going with the benefit of my doubts.... not so much anymore. I don't mean this to offend anyone, but a lot of my friends are (as I call it) "Riding the obama train!" and I don't think their views on his policies are well researched. They are taking what they see on tv and what he says as the gospel.

[speedygirl]

One thing that I have noticed in my own area is that there seems to be a real filter on the news. If its not praise for BHO or his policies then there is no news on BHO or his policies. This is something that I find slightly scary as well. I think of myself as a somewhat well informed woman, but now I am having to search high and low to find the "truth".

I didn't vote for BHO. But was hopeful when he was elected and was going with the benefit of my doubts.... not so much anymore. I don't mean this to offend anyone, but a lot of my friends are (as I call it) "Riding the obama train!" and I don't think their views on his policies are well researched. They are taking what they see on tv and what he says as the gospel.

I don't see that too much with the news stations here. They seem fairly balanced. That said, you'd hope that a person would use the brain they were born with and do a little research before following what the MSM as if it were the Pied Piper. People, do your homework and stop relying on one source to get your information from.

[pepperpot]

There are those who voted for Obama based on only one platform....whether it be to end the war, abortion rights, seeing and being a part of an historic event for black people, etc.....they just voted based on the one platform, not the total package.

Even the candidate that I voted for. I did not agree on many of his stances, but I looked at the total package and his experience. I wish others had as well, but this is where we are today.

It's scary.....how far will he go? Where will he take us?

[tngirl]

We are way past having to worry about inflation, we need to be worrying about a depression instead. The world markets are fluctuating worse than they did before the Great Depression and the real estate market had a "bull run" and then crashed, just like it has done now. So yeah, I would say a depression is around the corner and with China and so many other countries owning so many of our treasury bonds, it is a very scary thing.

[Bizzimommi]

Thank god for coupons and aldi's, lol! I plan to be as ready as I can be, the s#%* is going to hit the fan, the question is when...

[ahippiechic]

By not being outraged or speaking out against it is saying, "well that's the way it is"...is condoning.... How would it ever change if we resolve ourselves to saying, "that's the way it is"...that is acceptance and condoning...:agree

And it's not just the 'pork' in the bill.....it's the meat of the bill itself that there's a problem with.....

No, still not condoning. Although I don't bytch much about it on here, that doesn't mean that I dont speak out on the parts of it that I think are pure BS. Of which there are many. I have emailed, written and took part in 2 public forums and have spoken out many times.

There are still some people who are so bitter over their guy
losing that they trash and bad mouth anything and everything Obama does. (And yes, it is bad mouthing when you call him names). They continue to give the impression that their 'guy' would have done everything better and faster and have no pork at all.

So I'm not saying we should be ok with it just because most other politicians do it too, I'm just saying that some should stop acting like he is the anti christ and they world is going to end because you don't agree with his bill. SOme peole act like he is the only one to ever let some pork thru.

And no, I didn't vote for him.

A

[tngirl]

I didn't vote for him, imagine that!!...lol. I have never liked him and never made it a secret. Unfortunately, the person that I felt was best for the job wasn't on the ballot. But, when the election was over I could only hope that my fears would be for naught. And to have this stimulus bill go through without it being read was ridiculous, it passed because that is what Obama wanted.