Time for a Tea Party

[tngirl]

Would YOU join us in Chicago for a new, “Boston Tea Party?” IF WE GET ENOUGH SIGNATURES, IT WILL HAPPEN!


Rick Santelli of CNBC tells it like it is, speaking up on the Chicago Board of Trade’s stock floor about the wasteful, regulatory nature of the stimulus bill. He asks – Do YOU want to pay for your neighbor’s mortgage?!



His appearance is a virtual call to action! You MUST WATCH THIS VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZB4taSEoA&eurl=http://americanfuturefund.com/sign-the-petition-for-a-chicago-tea-party/):


Rick says we should have a new Boston Tea Party – in Chicago, THIS July!
Our petition for you is this – if American Future Fund hosted this tea party, in Grant Park – site of Barack Obama’s Chicago victory speech – would you be there? If we have enough folks say “YES!” then we just might start a major movement with this event. But it has to begin at the grassroots.


Will you be in Chicago to make a statement? Will you forward this to your friends and let them know about the NEW Boston Tea Party – held in July in Chicago? Will you post this on your blog, web site, Twitter and Facebook? Sign our petition today!

[SurferGirl]

I really am thinking of being there to protest.

[pepperpot]

-2% and they still couldn't afford the mortgage.....

:rolleyes:

I dare Obama to start that poll whether American people want to bail these mortgages out!

[anothersta]

In never never land, there is a site where the American People can review all the bills he signs and comment on them for 5 days.

Maybe BHO is going to send Peter Pan to show us where that is.

[hblueeyes]

I'll be there for the Chicago tea party. Worth the trip to the lake.

Me

[meltodd69]

Oh Crap!! My neighbors couldn't afford their houses LOL. Now who will pay for mine?

[SurferGirl]

To bad that we couldn't throw pelosi, obama, reid, and several others into the water, now that would really make a statement.

[tngirl]

If this all comes together it will be interesting to see the government response. I think maybe a lot of people will quickly become aware of just how many of our Rights we have lost already. Memphis is organizing their own Tea Party for those that would like to participate but unable to go to Chicago.

[SurferGirl]

http://www.freedomworks.org/petition/iamwithrick/index.html

Update: How to organize your own "Tea Party" protest I am with Rick!
No one has said it better than Rick Santelli of CNBC when, on the floor of the Chicago Exchange, ground zero for American capitalism and free market commerce, he called for a “Taxpayer Tea Party” in the wake of efforts to enact a new, multi-billion dollar taxpayer funded housing bailout.
In the new Obama Administration the bailout train continues to run full steam towards the destruction of our American capitalist system and ultimately to outright socialism. It must be stopped!

FreedomWorks and others in the limited government community stand with Rick and want to make this modern day taxpayer revolt a reality. Will you join us? Sign up for this event using the form below. If you would like help organizing a protest in a city that is not listed, please contact us

There is a place to sign up on that link.

[SurferGirl]

Has anyone else signed up for a tea party yet?
I think it might just get through to the politicians that we are tired of them throwing away our hard earned money.

[speedygirl]

I noticed that the one in Boston is at the real tea party site at Griffin's Wharf in Boston Harbor.


Boston, MA - Saturday, July 4th, 12:00pm, Griffin Harbor

[SurferGirl]

It would be really nice if we could have a few guests of honor at the tea parties but I think security might get a little bit upset.

I really hope that some politicians learn that people are upset over wasteful spending. I know we need better roads and bridges and more money in the defense budget (which I heard they plan on cutting) but some of the pork should really have to wait until that area can afford it themselves.

The other day Kerry was on the news talking about how the banking industry and Wall Street spend excessive amounts of money and I felt like screaming at the TV set that I get tired of politicians spending taxpayer money like it's nothing. I sure could use some of the money that I've had to pay in taxes and I'm sure all of you feel the same way. We have the scrimp and save and go without, especially in this economy and it hurts to see how they just waste it and fly around on their jets and on military planes.

[atprm]

Thousands Rally Downtown Against Government Spending

POSTED: 11:04 pm EDT March 15, 2009
UPDATED: 12:53 pm EDT March 16, 2009

CINCINNATI -- Thousands of Tri-State residents gathered Sunday on Fountain Square in downtown Cincinnati to voice their opposition to government spending bills recently signed by President Barack Obama.

The group called itself the Cincinnati Tea Party, modeled after the Boston Tea Party of 1773.

Video: Cincinnati Tea Party (http://www.wlwt.com/video/18937413/index.html)

Many of the demonstrators carried signs with slogans that said, "Honk if I'm paying your mortgage" or "Stop spending my allowance." Some even wore tea bags on their hats to make their point.

Cincinnati police estimated the crowd at 4,000 people. Many who spoke with News 5 Sunday afternoon said they're angry, including Rep. Jean Schmidt.

"I bet there's 5,000 people here and they're mad, just as I'm mad. They have a right to be mad at the unbridled spending that's happening in Washington," said Schmidt.

Protesters argued that the government shouldn't be spending money it doesn't have and they fear taxes and deflation will follow.

"The money you have now will be worth half as much next year, if they keep spending this money. They've got to stop spending this money," said Mike Sparks.

Protestors signed a petition rejecting the stimulus package. Organizers said they planned to gather again on April 15 and march the petition to city hall.

[SurferGirl]

Today they showed that tea party on Fox News and commented that the other networks aren't covering them (wonder why).

Then I heard Obama speak out about A.I.G. and sure they shouldn't hand all that out to executives after getting bailout money.

On the other hand Obama shouldn't be partying at the white house after putting our country in debt by the trillions. If he wants guest over he should skip the high cost entertainment and serve something more appropriate for this economy.

I scream at my TV every time that I hear Obama say he inherited this bad economy. Him and his group ACORN had a big role in creating this mess.
Along with many other democrats.

[pepperpot]

I scream at my TV every time that I hear Obama say he inherited this bad economy.

There's medication for that you know......:lol



j/k

[SurferGirl]

It's much more fun to yell at the TV and work on posters for the next tea party.

[whatever]

There's medication for that you know......:lol



j/k

I scream at mine for other shows. LOL
And i'm some good meds already. They don't work. LOL

[Jolie Rouge]

beyond parody....



Who’s the leader of the club
That’s made for you and me
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You’re as welcome as can be
B-A-R-A-C-K-O-B-A-M-A

Barack Obama!

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Forever let us hold our banner
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Come along and sing a song
And join the jamboree!
B-A-R-A-C-K-O-B-A-M-A

Barack Obama club
We’ll have fun
We’ll be new faces
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We’ll do things and
We’ll go places
All around the world
We’ll go marching

Who’s the leader of the club
That’s made for you and me
B-A-R-A-C-K-O-B-A-M-A
Hey! there, Hi! there, Ho! there
You’re as welcome as can be
B-A-R-A-C-K-O-B-A-M-A

Barack Obama!

Barack Obama!

Forever let us hold our banner
High! High! High! High!

Come along and sing a song
And join the jamboree!
B-A-R-A-C-K-O-B-A-M-A


Obama-bots…activate! Form of…a “Pledge Project Canvass!”

Too funny. The Obama Message Machine doesn’t want the Tea Party movement showing them up. So, they’ve sent out a mass e-mail and YouTube video link urging their cultists to go out and gather pledge signatures to support the president’s economic plan. Yep, a top-down, “grass-roots movement” directed by the DNC/Team Obama “because we can’t leave this important debate up to a Washington establishment that doesn’t welcome change.”

Snort.

Well, this will really fire up the Obama-tic troops:

Zzzzzz. But don’t worry. If only 5 people show up, it’ll be front page news in the national fishwraps of record.

The e-mail:


Friend –

The current debate in Washington over President Obama’s budget has made one thing clear — ensuring our long-term prosperity won’t come without a fight.

Partisan voices and special interests are showing real resistance to President Obama’s call for making the necessary reforms and investments in energy, health care, and education. That’s why we need to bring the conversation back into homes and communities across America.

Last week, thousands of you pledged your support for the President’s economic plan and encouraged your friends and family to join you in a national display of support. Now I need you to take the next step.

This weekend, supporters like you are organizing Pledge Project Canvasses to talk to people in their communities about this plan and mobilize support in neighborhoods across the country.

Host or attend a Pledge Project Canvass in your neighborhood this weekend.

It’s absolutely crucial that Americans hear from you about this plan — we can’t leave this important debate up to a Washington establishment that doesn’t welcome change.

It’s up to you to show Washington that Americans are demanding this new direction and won’t stand on the sidelines while our country’s future is at stake.

On these canvasses, you’ll join fellow supporters in your community to:

Talk with people about the President’s plan
Ask them to sign their names to the pledge
Provide information on how to contact and urge their elected representatives to support the plan

Host or attend a canvass this weekend:

http://my.barackobama.com/pledgecanvass

Nothing is more powerful than having people hear from ordinary Americans about the vision President Obama has laid out for our country. Join us this weekend.

Thanks,


Mitch

Mitch Stewart
Director
Organizing for America

***

“Nothing is more powerful than having people hear from ordinary Americans about the vision President Obama has laid out for our country.”

Exactly.

[Jolie Rouge]

Bias ? What bias ?

L.A. Times refused to report 15k Fullterton anti-tax protest,
but features A.N.S.W.E.R.’s anti-AIG/anti-war events before they happen

This is why Old Media is dying. The Los Angeles Times today recycles press releases from left-wing A.N.S.W.E.R. announcing a protest of AIG this afternoon and an anti-war rally next weekend. The paper has no problem serving as advance publicity team for radical Left groups: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/03/aig-protest.html


Demonstrators plan to rally outside the AIG building today in downtown Los Angeles to protest the giant insurer’s decision to pay $165 million in bonuses to key employees. American International Group Inc. recently received the first part of $180 billion in federal bailout funds.

“We’re going to be down there with whoever we can get,” said Ian Thompson of the Los Angeles chapter of the Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (A.N.S.W.E.R.) coalition. “We’re going to be expressing anger and outrage about the new bonuses that were announced, that will be given to the very same folks who helped cause the financial meltdown.”

The protest is scheduled to begin at 5 p.m. near the intersection of 8th and Figueroa streets. The group also will help lead an anti-war protest Saturday at noon to mark the sixth anniversary of the war in Iraq. A march is set to start near Hollywood Boulevard and Vine Street and continue to Hollywood Boulevard and Highland Avenue.

Not a single body has shown up for these events yet. But it’s newsworthy to the LA Times.

On the other hand, if 15,000 people turn out to lambaste tax-and-spend politicians in both parties in Fullerton, CA, it’s not news.

It’s a “stunt.”

What media bias? Yeah, that media bias.

[SurferGirl]

here is a song for the tea parties

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2H8xHFXC8U&feature=player_embedded

we the people take our country back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqoSa9JP5Zk

[SurferGirl]

FoxNews has a new site called foxnation that is really great.

You'll love the Must see video.

http://www.thefoxnation.com/politics/2009/04/01/must-see-hot-new-video

[atprm]

It was interesting to see that in front of the G20 meeting, the Brits were have a tea party of their own!

[Jolie Rouge]

The Left wants in on Tea Party action
April 7, 2009 01:50 PM

So, in addition to preemptive smears and sabotage efforts, the Left’s nutroots — feeling, well, left out of the spotlight after putting the Obamessiah in office — are organizing their own anti-Tea Party demonstrations.

Liberal guru Joe Trippi and government-subsidized Bill Moyers are pushing the new initiative, titled “A New Way Forward.” http://joetrippi.com/blog/?p=2656 ( "Hey, wasn’t Obama supposed to be your New Way Forward? Way to go!" )

The lefties have chosen April 11 to try and usurp media attention from the nationwide Tax Day Tea Party event on April 15. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

I should note: If even one of those protesters is truly sincere about opposing government bailouts of private industries and truly sincere about ending government support for crony pesudo-capitalists at Fannie/Freddie and truly sincere about letting failing banks fail, I say: Welcome to the club.

The rest is all nutroots Kabuki theater.

You can already guess how the national media will treat the two competing demonstrations. Tens of thousands of tax revolters = radio silence. A few dozen ACORN/ANSWER stragglers in front of any given bank = front page news.

No matter.

Get out there. Mobilize. Put your local and state officials and your members of Congress on notice.

They’re your true audience. Not the MSM.

***

Huffington Post calls on “citizen journalists” — left-wing disruptors — to go to the Tea Party protests and feed them news stories. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/07/fox-news-hosts-join-right_n_183957.html Be prepared.

***

Tea Party leaders John O’Hara in Chicago and Mark Meckler in Sacramento appeared on Neil Cavuto’s show this afternoon to respond to stories of left-wing infiltration of the Tax Day Tea Party events.

Their message: Bring it on. They are open, transparent, and joined by Democrats, independents, and fiscal responsibility advocates of all stripes. They don’t fear disruptors.

Meckler:
“We are demanding fiscal responsibility at every level of government. We are here to stay.”

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/07/left-wants-in-on-tea-party-action/


http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp=content/uploads/2009/03/11.jpg

Check out the full list of TDTP sponsors and supporting organizations here. http://www.zazzle.com/dontgo Get some Tax Day Tea Party gear here. http://www.zazzle.com/dontgo Track #teaparty tweeters here. http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23teaparty

You can watch a Tax Day Tea Party coalition broadcast here. http://www.pjtv.com/page/Tea_Party_Coalition_Show/167/

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=112875499027114938790.0004647d9f61bab744fd4&ll=38.272689,-96.679687&spn=27.495109,57.128906&z=4&source=embed


Bob Beckel appeared on Fox News this morning to sneer at the nationwide event. He derided tax revolters in Montana, joking that “It was a good thing it wasn’t a vodka party, because I guarantee you they all had guns.” Bigoted Beltway jerk. Beckel also claimed the Tea Parties were “nothing new” and recycled the debunked Playboy website report (deleted from the site) spreading false and illogical rumors that the grass-roots movement is directed from the GOP, national tax groups, and CNBC.

Oh, they wish. The truth is that thousands of people across the country who have never participated in local activism before have driven this phenomenon which started well before Rick Santelli’s now-famous rant. Without the legions of folks who are involved with TCOT Report, DontGoMovement, and Smart Girl Politics, this phenomenon wouldn’t exist. Untold numbers of protesters are as sick of GOP capitulation and Beltway Republican cravenness as they are of Democrat wealth redistributionism. The left-wing conspiracy theorists give Beltway GOP swamp creatures far too much credit. They couldn’t have pulled off hundreds of protests over the past month and hundreds more to come if they tried. There are individual fiscal conservatives in Washington who have carried the torch. But tax protesters have been very vocal that the Republican party establishment is in so many ways a part of the problem, not the solution. :amen:

This is every bit as much about Obama as it is about the GOP lemmings who voted for endless bailouts, who demonized their fiscal conservative colleagues who had their heads on straight, and who continue to sponsor and vote for massive government expansions like the $6 billion national service boondoggle.

For the next 9 days, the left-wing blogosphere and left-wing clueless pundits will hammer away with their unreality-based Tea Party smears.

And on the ground, the tax-subsidized and Soros-subsidized troops are going to try and wreak havoc every way they can. Many readers and fellow bloggers have seen signs that ACORN may send in ringers and saboteurs to usurp the anti-tax, anti-reckless spending, anti-bailout message.

It’s already happened once before — at the Denver anti-porkulus rally last month, when the Media Matters/Daily Kos crowd shifted media attention away from the policy message by manufacturing fake outrage about some stunt-puller who showed up with a sign comparing Obama to Hitler that I didn’t see and asked for a picture. The local newspaper, the Rocky Mountain News, took the bait.

The Rocky Mountain News, incidentally, no longer exists. But the Tea Party movement has flourished despite the best efforts of national media outlets to ignore it, belittle it, and debase it.

Another tack: As Beckel signaled, leftists are going to use fear-mongering to paint mainstream taxpayers who believe in the Second Amendment, the Constitution, limited government, low taxes, and fiscal responsibility as fringe wackos. They have already exploited the Binghamton and Pittsburgh shooting sprees for political gain. They have no shame. Be prepared. Confront them with their own rank hypocrisy and unhingedness. Don’t get distracted. And don’t let your local media get away with lazily recycling their smears.

Shockingly, a purportedly conservative website, Culture11, is disseminating yet another Tea Party smear — that the movement is racist:


When Are White People Going To Stop Waiting For A Handout?
By Kris Broughton

They revolt. Secede. Take other people’s property and rename it as their own. Shoot a few folks if they get in the way. Which is how you get British colonies that become the United States of America.

Or, in its most recent incarnation, “We Surround Them”, or these infamous “Tea Parties” that are supposed to be taking place all over the country, a small but determined fragment of America’s white population, along with their favorite token minority self hate monger, Michelle Malkin, have decided that they are tired of their values and their way of life being rejected by the government, and the rest of the public that doesn’t agree with them. They are ready to “take back the country.”

When, oh when are these white people going to stop waiting for somebody to give them something?

Oh well. I guess I’ll be turning on the TV in a few minutes to see yet another privileged group of white men, who insist they they and they alone are entitled to hold the opinions that count on the economy, the government, and the president.

It’s only a matter of time before this bunch starts whining about losing its lack of influence.


Lack of influence? Project much?

I leave you with what Culture11’s Kris Broughton would no doubt call more expressions of “minority self hate mongering” — from Tea Party Anthem singer Lloyd Marcus. When they smear, sing louder. Get a fellow tax revolter to register to vote. Then sign up 10 more. Don’t get mad. Get active. If you sit on the sidelines, they win.


http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/06/get-ready-for-the-anti-tea-party-sabotage-and-smear-campaign/

[Jolie Rouge]

April 9 2009
Chicago Tea Party Rejects Michael Steele

Maybe this isn’t just a group of ideological “wingnuts”.


CHICAGO TEA PARTY ORGANIZERS REJECT A SPEAKING BID FROM MICHAEL STEELE. This illustrates two things. First, the increasing haplessness of Steele, who hasn’t performed nearly as well as I’d expected. And, more significantly, the growth of the Tea Party movement as a grassroots outside-the-establishment phenomenon that has become so big that establishment figures are trying to jump onboard.

http://washingtonindependent.com/37984/chicago-tea-party-rejects-michael-steele

Interesting.

And on the “wingnut” issue, people on the right spent 8 years getting it wrong about the exact makeup of the protest movement on the left. Now the left might be making the same mistake by dismissing this as just a bunch of angry Republicans. There are a bunch of angry Republicans to be sure, but what if the base for these protests is broader? What will the Progressive Democrats do if the rest of the body politic actually is solidifying against it?

http://www.foundingbloggers.com/wordpress/2009/04/chicago-tea-party-rejects-michael-steele/

:hmmmm2: :hmmmm2:


The organizers could use your help:


Diana Reimer, the organizer for Philadelphia, was notified today after requesting electricity for a PA / sound system, that this event is no longer a demonstration, but a special event and will be required to pay a total of approx. $8000.00 for various requirements and an application permit of $20.00. The rest of the money required is for an electrician, use of the location, trash collector, insurance, etc. She has already been issued a permit by the city of Philadelphia, but now she is required to pay $8000.00 for the electricity and other requirements dictated by Special Events level 2, which is based on the amount of people 1500 to 3000 by Fairmount Park Commission.

Obviously, since we are a week away from this event, this causes a major problem. Additionally, why should the people have to pay $8000.00 to hold the event in this park when the people of Philadelphia already pay for the park and the park’s electricity with their tax dollars?

We are asking for your help and support by contacting the city of Philadelphia, just as you did with Coral Gables and Burleson.


City of Philadelphia Office of Managing Director
215.686.3488
Jazell Jones, Managing Director
Mechelle, Administrative Assistant

Special Events Office
215.685.0060
Karen Walls, Receptionist
or Joe Calley

If you would like to contact Diana Reimer, the Philadelphia Tea Party organizer, she can be reached via email at [email protected].

Diana and Philadelphia really need our help! Please burn up the phone lines tomorrow! Also, please send this to all of your email lists / groups and to everyone you know!

We cannot let this happen in the birth city of the US Constitution!!!!

If it turns out that paying the fee is the only way for the event to continue, I will be pitching in and I hope you will help, too. Stay tuned…

Update: A reader reminded me about the Obama campaign’s unpaid bills to the city of Philadelphia for events it held in October and November 2008. The bills were for the same types of city services that the Tea Party protesters would be charged for using — electricity for sound, lighting, clean-up, etc.

Obama stiffed the city for nearly $24,000 for at least four months. I called the city’s Managing Director Office’ events coordinator, Mechelle Sabb, who told me the Obama bill *was* finally paid.

So…the Tea Party folks have to fork up their fee up front, but the Obama campaign can get away with playing deadbeat? There’s your brotherly love. Watch for increasingly jacked-up fees for conservative protests in order to stifle them… Did the city charge for all the anti-war protests also? What is the charge to illegal immigrants to protest in tax-payer funded streets and parks?



http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/09/philadelphia-tea-party-organizers-need-your-help/


Today’s lesson; don’t depend on the government for anything. This reeks of a First Amendment violation! It’s called peaceable assembly, and it’s being abridged.

This is a protest! Permits! ( "We don’t need no stinkin permits!" ) :rolling: Me thinks the city doesn’t realize they are a part of problem. Sounds like double taxation to me like Michelle mentioned. First they hit you with the taxes to maintain the park and then they hit you with a fee to enjoy it. Don’t forget to ask the city manager and the events coordinator what the proper procedures are for filing a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request for all the previous “Special Events” to ensure that this was not the first time this has been required.

[Jolie Rouge]

Further Attempts to Discredit Tea Party Protests
Posted by GayPatriotWest at 7:48 pm - April 11, 2009.

As the tea party movement gains momentum, many supports of the President (and opponents of free markets) are becoming increasingly agitated, eager to smear, slander and otherwise discredit the movement.

Through e-mail (and in the comments), readers have suggested that the anti-gay AFA’s (American Family Association) backing of some of the protests somehow discredits them. Well, International Answer, a Communist front organizations spearheaded many of the rallies protesting the Iraq War, that is, it it had greater involvement in those protests than does the AFA in the tea parties.

So by the standards of those faulting gay people for joining in protests sponsored by an anti-gay groups, all those protesting the Iraq War were Communist sympathizers (or closet Commies themselves). I don’t recall reading about any non-Communist opponents of the Iraq War (and they probably constituted the overwhelming majority of the protesters) refusing to participate because a Communist group sponsored the rallies.

Yeah, I’d rather the AFA not be involved any of the protests. But, they are one of many sponsoring these rallies against bigger government and higher taxes and for a less intrusive state and more personal freedom. There’s nothing on the sites for the tea parties which even remotely suggests an anti-gay agenda. I mean, what is anti-gay about protesting “against out of control government spending“?

This is about freedom. We believe that an ever-increasing federal government means ever greater encroachments on our liberty.

Their attempt to the discredit the movement because of some of its unsavory associations is really just a refusal to acknowledge the growing grassroots movement against the president’s spendthrift policies. What is it about these partisans that they refuse to take seriously the ideas and motivations of their ideological adversaries?

Why can’t they recognize the sincerity of opponents of big government and the appeal of our ideas? (Heck, they even tapped into one of our ideas (that of the burdens of deficit spending) when it was a Republican President who was overspending.)

Why would do they attempt to discredit us rather than engage us?

I have asked similar questions before. And it seems the answer relates to the central narrative of the educated leftist–that his ideological adversaries are nothing more than hateful troglodytes eager to trample upon the rights of women, ethnic minorities and gays in their zeal to create a white Christianist (whatever that is) state.


http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/11/further-attempts-to-discredit-tea-party-protests/

[SurferGirl]

The tea party is about the government being out of control.
I really hope people put their petty disagreements aside for the greater cause.

[mikej]

Today they showed that tea party on Fox News and commented that the other networks aren't covering them (wonder why).

Then I heard Obama speak out about A.I.G. and sure they shouldn't hand all that out to executives after getting bailout money.

On the other hand Obama shouldn't be partying at the white house after putting our country in debt by the trillions. If he wants guest over he should skip the high cost entertainment and serve something more appropriate for this economy.

I scream at my TV every time that I hear Obama say he inherited this bad economy. Him and his group ACORN had a big role in creating this mess.
Along with many other democrats.

At the tea parties this far, tha participants have threatened news crews showed up. That could well be a reason that they are not receiving the coverahe that they think that deserve.

What role exactly do you think that Acorn had with the financial mess?

[mikej]

Bias ? What bias ?

L.A. Times refused to report 15k Fullterton anti-tax protest,
but features A.N.S.W.E.R.’s anti-AIG/anti-war events before they happen

This is why Old Media is dying. The Los Angeles Times today recycles press releases from left-wing A.N.S.W.E.R. announcing a protest of AIG this afternoon and an anti-war rally next weekend. The paper has no problem serving as advance publicity team for radical Left groups: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/03/aig-protest.html



Not a single body has shown up for these events yet. But it’s newsworthy to the LA Times.

On the other hand, if 15,000 people turn out to lambaste tax-and-spend politicians in both parties in Fullerton, CA, it’s not news.

It’s a “stunt.”

What media bias? Yeah, that media bias.

Fullerton did have a good turnout but the crowd was estimated at 8,000, not 15,000. http://www.ocregister.com/articles/came-brought-ken-2328216-others-john

FYI, we on the left consider these type of people to be deranged:
Woman: [Shouts] “Burn the books!” [applause]

Man: “I don’t think you were serious about that, were you?”

Woman: “I am too.”

Man: “Burn all the books?!”

Woman: “The ones in college, those, those brainwashing books.”

Man: “[laughs] Brainwashing books?”

Woman: “Yes.”

Man: “Which ones are those?”

Woman: “Like, the evolution crap, and, yeah...”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwdOwgD5OsY&feature=player_embedded

We are not concerned at all about your teabaggers. It has been a source of great amusement for us.

[tngirl]

When Are White People Going To Stop Waiting For A Handout?
By Kris Broughton

They revolt. Secede. Take other people’s property and rename it as their own. Shoot a few folks if they get in the way. Which is how you get British colonies that become the United States of America.

Or, in its most recent incarnation, “We Surround Them”, or these infamous “Tea Parties” that are supposed to be taking place all over the country, a small but determined fragment of America’s white population, along with their favorite token minority self hate monger, Michelle Malkin, have decided that they are tired of their values and their way of life being rejected by the government, and the rest of the public that doesn’t agree with them. They are ready to “take back the country.”

When, oh when are these white people going to stop waiting for somebody to give them something?

Oh well. I guess I’ll be turning on the TV in a few minutes to see yet another privileged group of white men, who insist they they and they alone are entitled to hold the opinions that count on the economy, the government, and the president.

It’s only a matter of time before this bunch starts whining about losing its lack of influence.

I just have to say this is hogwash. Privileged white folks? I am far from being "privileged" and I support the Tea Parties. And they want to say that anyone of color that supports this movement are "hate mongers"? It couldn't possibly be the fact that we are tired of the government involving itself in every little aspect of our lives? It couldn't be the fact that the government is shredding the Constitution and violating our Rights?

Why don't people wake up and smell the coffee? It is pure ignorance that keeps people's heads buried in the sand and believe all the lip service that is going on. Check out the facts and stop just listening to what the politicians are saying, you will find out exactly what we have lost and what we are going to lose.

[ahippiechic]

Well, I'm glad they don't speak for ALL the "we on the left"! :D

[tngirl]

Well, I'm glad they don't speak for ALL the "we on the left"! :D
So am I. What a lot of people do not realize is that the Tea Parties are bipartisan events. But the far left wants to make it sound like all it is is just a bunch of disgruntled Republicans that are mad about losing the election.

Here in Memphis, information has surfaced confirming that there will be "radicals" at our local events for the sole purpose of making the event look bad and like it is full of a bunch of zealots. Unfortunately, these type of people are what the world looks at without thinking that maybe they are just trouble makers.

[SurferGirl]

At the tea parties this far, tha participants have threatened news crews showed up. That could well be a reason that they are not receiving the coverahe that they think that deserve.

What role exactly do you think that Acorn had with the financial mess?

Actually we are encouraged to ask the media to attend the tea parties.
There would be no reason to threaten the news crews since the purpose of the tea parties is to have our voices heard. I'm sure you were misinformed on that.

Acorn started demanding these loans and the banks had to give out a quota of these loans. Then when the Republicans realized that Fannie and Freddie were in trouble the Democrats in congress lied. I'll look for one of the videos that Janelle posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related

[Jolie Rouge]

FYI, we on the left consider these type of people to be deranged:
Woman: [Shouts] “Burn the books!” [applause]

Man: “I don’t think you were serious about that, were you?”

Woman: “I am too.”

Man: “Burn all the books?!”

Woman: “The ones in college, those, those brainwashing books.”

Man: “[laughs] Brainwashing books?”

Woman: “Yes.”

Man: “Which ones are those?”

Woman: “Like, the evolution crap, and, yeah...”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwdOw...layer_embedded

FYI : we on the "Right" and "In the Middle" also consider someone like that to be deranged.


At the tea parties this far, tha participants have threatened news crews showed up.

I would also be interested in finding out where they recieved their direction ... like .. maybe the Huffington Post ??

It’s already happened once before — at the Denver anti-porkulus rally last month, when the Media Matters/Daily Kos crowd shifted media attention away from the policy message by manufacturing fake outrage about some stunt-puller who showed up with a sign comparing Obama to Hitler that I didn’t see and asked for a picture. The local newspaper, the Rocky Mountain News, took the bait.



Here’s the website of a guy running one in Pensecola: http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:gCjHuhRVR3gJ:www.meetthetruth.com/+meetthetruth.org&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

Wait ’til the media gets ahold of this. It confirms every stereotype they hold about anyone on the right. The Truthers and Flat Earthers flocking around this moron are going to be front and center in every news report on the event.




I am constantly amazed at the naiveté of liberals who seem to think the whole tea party movement is simply about going from 35% to 39% tax rates … They don’t seem to understand that the rate itself is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg …

I do not think any American objects to paying their “fair share” of taxes … it is what is being done with that money that is the primary issue at hand … (Most will agree that the tax system is inherently “unfair” simply by its convoluted structure and ridiculous complexity through the asinine IRS tax codes …)

People realize that the spending of our tax money by Congress is out of control … It is out of control in terms of the outrageous amounts of money being spent … It is out of control due to the fact that the people’s money is being wasted on frivolous pet projects (pork) … It is out of control because it is being spent on non-productive programs that lock people into the welfare mentality and lifestyle instead of giving them a helping hand so that they can lift themselves up into a more productive position in American society …

Stopping these spending atrocities are a driving force behind the “tea party” movement … not just the tax rates … Stop all of these needless expenditures and you won’t need 39% tax rates …



“What was at first plunder assumed the softer name of revenue.”

–Thomas Paine

As you’re probably aware, Michelle’s been a huge supporter of the “tea parties,” as has been Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush and countless others. The phenomenon is spreading, and more will be held on Tax Day — April 15 (a map of all the locations is here).

In late February, I attended a tea party in Lansing, Michigan, and will be there again next Wednesday. While there, I spoke with several people, and, while everybody attended for the same “big picture” reason, many had their own reason to be there.

For some it was wildly excessive and confusing tax laws.

Others were there out of concern for their children and grandchildren.

Some were there because they’re maddened that the same glorious policies that have made Detroit look like Bangladesh after a garbage haulers strike are being introduced on a national level, a few were upset because the same people who created these massive problems are charged with fixing them, others don’t want their country sold out to some global entity, and one man I saw had a sign that said “‘Government job’ is a contradiction in terms.”

Many were there for the reason of “all of the above.”

For me, these tea parties are about putting an end to waste. Not the waste of money (though obviously that’s a major concern), but rather the tragic waste of American ingenuity, innovation, creativity and philanthropy.

Think about the monumental efforts in both time and intellect that are wasted in order to satisfy insane government demands.

I attend the tea parties as a way of showing that it saddens me to know that people who might have otherwise cured a horrible disease, designed grand buildings, created art and music, invented a car that runs on kumquats that people actually want to buy, expanded their businesses, explored the farthest reaches of the universe or had more time to devote to charity are now spending most of their energy trying to figure out a way to write off their lawnmowers as dependents.

It’s a waste, and it’s an insult to those who helped build this great nation, and to those who have died defending it. That’s why I go to the tea parties. How about you?

See you next Wednesday.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/10/why-i-tea-party-like-its-2099/

[Jolie Rouge]

The Left's Coordinated Message Operation
By Robert Stacy McCain on 4.12.09 @ 5:37PM

American Spectator readers are probably familiar with the nationwide Tax Day Tea Party rallies being planned for Wednesday. Readers may be less familiar with the attempt by left-wing propagandists (like Jane Hamsher) to dismiss the Tea Party movement as being ginned up by Fox News, "Corporate America" and the usual suspects of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy. The transparent object of this propaganda effort by the Left is to discourage coverage for the Tea Party movement by their liberal friends in the mainstream media.

Speaking as an ex-Democrat, I can say that nothing creates more ex-Democrats than the habitual deceit practiced by the Left in its efforts to control the Democratic Party and to conceal those efforts from scrutiny. Eventually you discover the truth and the realization that you have been bamboozled makes you angry.

It is no coincidence (as a Marxist might say) that many of the staunchest and most effective opponents of the Left are people like David Horowitz, the "Red Diaper" son of Communist Party parents, raised within the Left. And it is worth remembering that Ronald Reagan was himself a self-described "bleeding heart" liberal (he actually joined two Commie front groups) before he was forced to confront the deceptive machinations of the Communist Party in its effort to take over Hollywood.

A few weeks ago, it was revealed that the Left has been manipulating the national news media via an online communication loop called "JournoList." As someone who follows political blogs closely, I had noticed how successful the Left was at (a) getting its favorite narratives picked up by the national media, and (b) discouraging coverage of narratives unfavorable to Democrats. Conservatives have long speculated on the role of back-channel communications between "progressive" activists and sympathetic journalists in this sort of coordinated messaging operation. The JournoList revelation exposed one of those back channels; that there are many others is easily inferred.

So you can imagine my reaction when I spotted Steve Benen of Washington Monthly pushing an anti-Tea Party message by Oliver Willis of Media Matters. Willis did a straight-up ad hominem attack, comparing the supposedly phony Tea Party protests to the authentic grassroots activism of the protests against the Iraq War.

Make. Me. Laugh.

And now cue the army of anonymous leftoid trollbots in the comments

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-lefts-coordinated-message


See also : http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/04/12/kurtz-acknowledges-cnn-s-lack-tea-party-coverage-his-cnn-show



I do not believe that the tea parties are directly aimed at President Obama or the majority Democrat party.

The tea parties are reaction to a government in general -- Democrats, Republicans and others -- that views working Americans as a bottomless well of money to be used for any and all manner of government programs.

While I am personally coming from a fiscal conservative/social moderate viewpoint, I have major problems with how both major parties have approached spending over the past 20 years. It is a proven fact, that as government as a whole chews up more of a country's GDP, the less prosperity there is for the country as a whole.

There is also a growing anger over the process of government. A few years back, legislative rules were suspended in order to try to ram through immigration reform that was very clearly at odds with what the majority of the American electorate wanted. And more recently, we have a House and Senate that assembled the biggest spending bill in the history of the world and put it onto a hurry-up-and-vote timetable that made it impossible to read beforehand. This is nothing other than dereliction of the public trust.

If you think I'm wrong, consider that the stimulus bill included the language that effectively greenlighted the payment of bonuses to AIG and that this should have been a shameful embarrassment to those who later demonized these bonuses and the executives receiving them. How can they complain, when they voted to authorize the payments in the first place?

In a nutshell, the tea parties are a symbol of growing recognition that government -- at all levels, regardless of party doctrine -- is absolutely out of control.

I think it is reasonable to question whether the tea parties will accomplish anything. At this point, they seem to be more about blowing off steam, but I think this fledgling movement could ultimately prove to be very constructive. Much of what is wrong with government today is a result of an electorate that has been largely disengaged from the process for several decades. Now, more people are paying attention and making an effort to come together and express their concerns about the direction and scope of the governing class.

While this is only a tentative awakening, it is one that should cause genuine concern for the political establishment that has prospered massively from an apathetic and inattentive electorate.

[meltodd69]

I really wish I could attend! I seen on our local news there is a tea party in Findlay and Tiffin. They are popping up everywhere! Wonder what kind of news coverage will be on? That will be the closest I get, Dang it! If it wasn't my last day of work I would call off lol. But after the 15th I am unemployed again. And will be looking for a job like the rest of America.
Someone carry an extra sign for me, PLEASE!

[SurferGirl]

I'm so sorry to hear of your job situation.
I hope the economy recovers real soon.


The tea parties are way overdue, we have all had parents who took the attitude they couldn't do anything to stop the over taxation and overspending by our elected officials. Apathy is what creates situations that get out of control. Get involved and make this country a better place for your children.

[SurferGirl]

Please email your senators and represtative and send them this link
http://www.teapartyday.com/
let them know the people hired them and the people can fire them. Let them know the people are angry.

This link will give you a way to contact your representative and even contact the speaker.
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

This link is for your senators

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

This one is a link to the white house
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/President_Obama/

[SurferGirl]

Just to remind everyone about the tea parties tomorrow. Tomorrow I won't have a chance to remind you.
Although they looked very similar I updated the link in my signature to the site that I gave yesterday.

[Jolie Rouge]

Anti-tax protesters turn out for dreaded April 15
22 mins ago

LOUISVILLE, Ky. – Protesters around the country are gearing up to rally against tax day with "tea parties."

Organizers say they're steamed at government spending since President Barack Obama's administration took over and are planning their own mini-revolts. The rallies are designed to echo the original Boston Tea Party more than 235 years ago.

The demonstrations are being held everywhere from Kentucky, which just passed tax increases on cigarettes and alcohol, to South Carolina, where the governor has repeatedly criticized the stimulus package. Large protests also are expected in California, New York and Atlanta.

___

On the Net:

http://taxdayteaparty.com/



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090415/ap_on_bi_ge/tax_day_protests;_ylt=Auw_aXzgMEHLCfAK2gXq64EEtbAF

[Jolie Rouge]

Let me give you three reasons to go out and be a part of a Tax Day Tea Party TODAY:

• If you’re a 50-year old-with a college degree, you will pay approximately $81,000 over your working life just to pay the interest on the debt in the Obama budget.

• If you’re a 40-year-old, you’ll pay $132,000.

• And if you’re a 20-year-old, just starting out after college, you will pay a whopping $114,000 just to service the interest on the debt created by the Obama budget.


To find a Tax Day Tea Party to attend today, visit http://www.taxdayteaparty.com or http://www.teapartyday.com.




Double Standards ?

IRS workers see double standard on tax errors[/i]
By Tom Hamburger and Ralph Vartabedian | Tribune Newspapers
April 15, 2009 [/i]

The Treasury secretary, who oversees the IRS, didn't pay all his taxes. Neither did five other top nominees for the Obama administration, or their spouses.

Now, as Wednesday's tax deadline looms, some Americans are wondering why they should comply with the arcane requirements of the Internal Revenue Service when top administration officials failed to do the same. Even some IRS employees are upset at what they see as a double standard.

The most criticized example has been Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who admitted not paying $34,000 in payroll and Social Security taxes, saying his failure to pay was an oversight. Five other nominees disclosed similar tax issues, including one as recently as two weeks ago when Kathleen Sebelius, President Barack Obama's pick for secretary of health and human services, admitted she didn't pay $7,040.

"Our members are upset and angry," said Colleen Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union, referring to concern bubbling up within the IRS over unusually strict rules that can cost agents their jobs if they make a mistake. In some cases, IRS employees have lost jobs for simply filing a late return or failing to report a few hundred dollars of interest income.

In an interview Tuesday, Kelley said the Geithner case underlines the need for a change of the rules governing IRS employees.

"My issue is not that I want Geithner or anyone else punished," Kelley said. "I want there to be a re-examination of the law that holds IRS employees to a separate standard: one in which a simple mistake can cost them their jobs with no right of appeal."

Robert Schriebman, a California tax lawyer who has testified before Congress, said his clients are seething over the tough treatment they get from the IRS, while some in the president's Cabinet apparently were able to duck paying their taxes.

"Politically powerful people are less likely to get bothered by the IRS," Schriebman said. "It is more than a question of fairness. Not only is the IRS looking away from confronting influential people, the IRS is getting a lot tougher and nastier toward the little guy."

IRS employees have reported that taxpayers are occasionally citing the Geithner case when they are asked to pay their tax bills. "It's making the compliance conversation harder," Kelley said.

Geithner's $34,000 in unpaid taxes pales in comparison to the more than $128,000 owed by Tom Daschle, Obama's first choice to run health and human services. But Geithner's position overseeing the IRS has made his case particularly galling in the public's mind.

IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman told reporters Monday that there is no discrimination when it comes to tax enforcement.

"The American people are pretty smart," he said. "They understand that people who are nominated for high office are going to be put under a level of scrutiny. They also understand the tax code is incredibly complex."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-wed-geithner-tax-0415-apr15,0,6037514.story

[LuvBigRip]

In my little hometown

http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/content/gen/breaking-news/index.html?p=4024

Attendees scaled playground equipment for a view Wednesday afternoon at the southwest coroner of Lincoln Park as a crowd estimated by organizers as pushing 2,000 heard a series of speakers take aim at President Barack Obama.

“How many people have been screaming at the television the past few months?” organizer Todd Braley yelled into a public address system, which blasted several songs including 1980’s rock anthem “We’re Not Going To Take It” between speakers including Mesa County Commissioners Craig Meis and Janet Rowland.

“I watched all the hippies protest and now they’re in charge,” said Lee Porter, 70, a retiree from Fruita who showed up Wednesday with a pair of symbolic tea bags hanging from his eyeglasses.

Dennis White, a spokesman for gjresult.com, the group behind Wednesday’s tax protest “Tea Party” rally in Grand Junction, estimated the crowd was pushing 500 people by 11 a.m., a full hour before the event’s scheduled start.

White and company pegged the crowd around 2,000 by the end of the roughly hour-and-a-half rally.

“(Parks and Recreation staff) thought that wasn’t a bad estimate,” said Grand Junction city spokeswoman Sam Rainguet.

Read the full story in the Thursday edition of The Daily Sentinel, or overnight online at GJSentinel.com.

[janelle]

I am watching the Glenn Beck show at the Alamo Tea Party. I was interested in how the other networks were covering it so I turned to MSNBC. Guess what they are showing---a news show on RADICAL RIGHT WING WACKOS. LOL, talking about how right wing people are going to cause trouble.

The Tea Parties have just as many Dems as Repubs at them. The Tea Party is for all tax payers and both are turning out.

[Jolie Rouge]

I watched this on CNN this morning. It was hilarious to see the reporter start arguing with the people in the crowd. One exchange went this way:


CNN: Why are you protesting?

Protester: High Taxes and Govt. Spending.

CNN: But don't you want to get a refund from Obama and the Govt.?

Protester: Not if we have high debts and more job losses.

CNN: But you should want the government money?

Protester: I want the government to stop spending.

CNN: Well, it looks like we just have a bunch of white, angry people that do not know what they are protesting.

http://pogger.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/cnn-bias-obivious-at-tea-party-watch-video/

That is not a joke, she actually said this. It was funny to see her try and argue instead of report.


A Tax Day Tea Party cheat sheet:
How it all started
By Michelle Malkin
April 15, 2009 08:14 AM

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/15/a-tax-day-tea-party-cheat-sheet-how-it-all-started/


For the Johnny-Come-Latelys in the MSM who will be dispatched by their editors to file obligatory stories about the hundreds of Tax Day Tea Party protests across the country today, here is a cheat sheet to get you up to speed.

Feb. 15: Keli Carender, who blogs as “Liberty Belle” spread the word about a grass-roots protest she was organizing in Seattle to raise her voice against the passage of the trillion-dollar stimulus/porkulus/Generational Theft Act of 2009. It’s the first time she had ever jumped into political organizing of any kind. She is not affiliated with any “corporate lobbyist” or think tank or national taxpayers’ organization. She’s a young conservative mom who blogs. Amazingly, she turned around the event in a few days all on her own by reaching out on the Internet, to her local talk station, and to anyone who would listen.

Feb. 16: An energetic crowd of about 100 people came downtown to lambaste the Chicken Little process and the lard-up of the stimulus bill:

Word of the Seattle protest spread across the blogosphere. Readers suggested there should be a Denver protest on Feb. 17 to greet President Obama for the porkulus signing. Separately, the local chapter of Americans for Prosperity was already working to put something together on the fly. I met the head of the state AFP for the first time on the steps of the Capitol. No conspiracy here, tinfoil hatters. It was a union of like minds in an impromptu show of outrage against the legislation-without-deliberation process in Washington. Also there: Jon Caldara of the libertarian Independence Institute on one end of the spectrum and Tom Tancredo on the strict immigration enforcement end (hundreds of the protesters were mad about the absence of E-Verify standards for the stimulus funding):

Speaking of pigs, you can’t leave out the tax-and-spend revolt campaign against Chuck Schumer in response to his arrogant statement that only the “chattering classes” cared about the “teeny, tiny” pork amendments in the Generational Theft Act. Local radio host Leland Conway in Kentucky called on listeners to send Schumer pork rinds. A mountain of 1,500 bags poured into the station on Feb. 16 and was shipped to Schumer:



On Feb. 18, 500 fed-up taxpayers showed up in Mesa, AZ to oppose President Obama’s campaign for massive expansions of the government mortgage entitlement and to mock what SC Gov. Mark Sanford rightly called savior-based economics. No top-down organization. Just the effort of local talk radio station KFYI. No Beltway GOP involvement. Zero national media coverage. But reader Al Swanson shared his photos with us here:

On Feb. 19, reader Amanda Grosserode e-mailed that she was organizing a tax revolt protest in Overland Park, KS the following weekend. More than 400 people showed up in freezing weather to protest Rep. Dennis Moore’s vote for the bill. Glenn Reynolds did the reporting the MSM didn’t do.


On Feb. 19, CNBC’s Rick Santelli issued his now-famous “Tea Party” call — prompted, many people forget, by Obama’s mortgage entitlement expansion plans (proposals I’ve protested whether from Democrats or moron Republicans):

David Hogberg of Investor’s Business Daily was the first MSM reporter to cover the burgeoning tax revolt protests. Here’s an excerpt of what Hogberg wrote on Feb. 20:


To be sure, the protest sizes so far are a far cry from the left’s anti-globalization and anti-war demonstrations of the past decade. But they appear to have grass-roots origins. The organizer of the Kansas protest, Amanda Grosserode, calls herself a home-schooling mom who is “fed up” with the spending in Washington. She has been a member of Fair Tax Kansas City since last fall.

“My husband and I were feeling frustrated that the stimulus had passed with very little debate and no one had read it,” she told IBD. “I said, ‘We need to do something.’”

She began contacting family and friends, and eventually received attention via Fair Tax Kansas City and local talk radio.

…Liberal supporters of the stimulus don’t see the demonstrations having much impact.

“These protests are probably ideological rather than practical,” said Robert Borosage, co-director of the Campaign for America’s Future.


He wishes.

On Feb. 21, the grass-roots Internet group, Top Conservatives on Twitter, founded by Michael Patrick Leahy and powered by Rob Neppell, announced “simultaneous local tea parties around the country, beginning in Chicago, and including Washington DC, Fayetteville NC, San Diego CA, Omaha Nebraska, and dozens of other locations” on Feb. 27. Patrik Jonsson of the Christian Science Monitor was one of the rare national MSM reporters who attended one of the tea parties (Atlanta) and provided a fair and balanced look at protesters mad at both parties:

To be sure, the federal spending package includes tax cuts for most Americans, and Obama has promised to eventually halve a US deficit the Democrats have largely blamed on the Bush administration.

But protesters like Kevin Tanner of South Dakota said deficit spending by both parties has unnerved Americans. “The Republicans have their own problems because we elected them and they didn’t do what we wanted,” says Mr. Tanner.

Many protesters expressed a sense that basic American freedoms of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are threatened by new Washington policies seen by many as more socialistic than capitalistic. The proposed taxpayer bailout of homeowners who may have inflated their earnings in order to secure mortgages is one example, says Jeff Crawford, a protester from Dacula, Ga.

“The first year after the Mayflower arrived, the colonists tried a communal method of storing and sharing food and it failed miserably,” says Mr. Crawford. “Why are things any different now?”
Eighteenth-century symbolism was rife at the Atlanta event as speakers drew comparisons with the Boston patriots who dumped the King’s tea in Boston Harbor to protest taxation without representation, an act that began the American Revolution and the founding of the United States.

Some kids at the Atlanta protest wore tri-cornered hats, and one held a sign that said, “When I grow up I want to be free.”

In Tampa, two dozen protesters held handwritten signs with slogans like “Keep Your Bailout; I’ll Keep My Freedom.” About 300 people showed up in 25-degree weather in Wichita, Kansas, and someone brought a pig.

In St. Louis, local media expected about 50 people to show up while actual turnout surged to over 1,000 people.

An Internet-based coalition spearheaded by TCOT, Smart Girl Politics, and the DontGoMovement formed to coordinate today’s Tax Day Tea Party. It is a totally unprecedented phenomenon that no Beltway GOP guru or elected leader can claim credit for. The grass-roots coalition has held open planning meetings on BlogTalkRadio every week and maintained the transparency that Washington abandoned during TARP/porkulus/budget process. They’ve spent weeks helping first-time political activists get connected, obtain permits, and learn the ropes.

Along the way, many different taxpayers’ groups, talk show hosts, individuals, and websites have stepped up to the plate to pitch in.

And along the way, detractors have fumbled and bumbled over how to discredit the Tea Party organizers — first blaming a cabal tied to CNBC, then jeering at the amateurishness of the participants before crying “astroturf,” then claiming the events were “financed by Fox News” or (fill-in-the-blank) conservative conspiracy, then smearing the protesters as crazed gun nuts (FNC’s Bob Beckel) and racists (FNC’s Geraldo Rivera).

Wouldn’t it be refreshing if MSM coverage refrained from parroting all the lazy, groundless, uninformed canards and reported the simple truth?

***

The good news is there’s no need to rely on the drive-by media. Live Tax Day Tea Party video coverage at the Bcast. You can upload your Tea Party statement on C-SPAN’s website here.

Instapundit will be all over the story. And, of course, stay tuned right here, where I’ll be blogging/reporting from Sacramento and on FNC/FBN with Neil Cavuto’s live broadcasts.



Great idea: Several readers e-mail that they are holding food drives at their Tea Parties. Reader SG writes:


TOP TEN ITEMS NEEDED:
Canned meats/fish/poultry
Canned/Packaged Meals
Peanut Butter
Cereal
Soups
Canned Vegetables
Canned Fruits
100% Juices
Pasta and Pasta Sauces
Diapers

[janelle]

Quote:
CNN: Why are you protesting?

Protester: High Taxes and Govt. Spending.

CNN: But don't you want to get a refund from Obama and the Govt.?

Protester: Not if we have high debts and more job losses.

CNN: But you should want the government money?

Protester: I want the government to stop spending.

CNN: Well, it looks like we just have a bunch of white, angry people that do not know what they are protesting.

================================================== ===============
OMG, imagine her saying that about a black protest on something. This is why those networks are not making the ratings. No one is watching their hypocrisy.

I am sure there are many black people there, they don't want to be overtaxed either.

[YNKYH8R]

And then tomorrow they'll all go back to work.

[SurferGirl]

And then tomorrow they'll all go back to work.


Now what do you have against hard working Americans?

We aren't the free loaders that want the Government to take care of us on the working peoples money.

[pepperpot]

Protester: I want the government to stop spending.

CNN: Well, it looks like we just have a bunch of white, angry people that do not know what they are protesting.


WTF? I've lost lots of respect for CNN.....:(

[pepperpot]

And then tomorrow they'll all go back to work.

Correct, it's the working people who are carrying this burden who want it to stop.....those who receive without effort, want it to continue and then some....:agree...tomorrow, instead of going to work, they'll line up for 'the program'....:(

[YNKYH8R]

Now what do you have against hard working Americans?

We aren't the free loaders that want the Government to take care of us on the working peoples money.Nothing..just all those people out there with picket signs...not working.

Tomorrow they can go back to work.

[pepperpot]

Nothing..just all those people out there with picket signs...not working.

Tomorrow they can go back to work.

So if one works they shouldn't have a 'voice'? Because 'protesting' seems to be the only way to get attention...... Perhaps if their 'voice' was listened to there'd be more people 'going back to work tomorrow'....... "Protesting" has worked for many other groups....especially for those who do not work.......why should they be the only ones who are able to voice their opinions?

Do you think those with the picket signs want to be the only ones working? Heck no, they want everyone to work!

[LuvBigRip]

Nothing..just all those people out there with picket signs...not working.

Tomorrow they can go back to work.

Ours in town was during lunch. Some people took a vacation day to go.

[YNKYH8R]

Ours in town was during lunch. Some people took a vacation day to go.

That's fine.....

[YNKYH8R]

So if one works they shouldn't have a 'voice'? Because 'protesting' seems to be the only way to get attention...... Perhaps if their 'voice' was listened to there'd be more people 'going back to work tomorrow'....... "Protesting" has worked for many other groups....especially for those who do not work.......why should they be the only ones who are able to voice their opinions?

Do you think those with the picket signs want to be the only ones working? Heck no, they want everyone to work!I'm not saying that they can't or shouldn't voice their opinions. I'm just saying that (unless they took the day off) they spent time picketing and not working.

[pepperpot]

I'm not saying that they can't or shouldn't voice their opinions. I'm just saying that (unless they took the day off) they spent time picketing and not working.

Okay, apparently it was their priority to be heard....... And there were probably many more who wanted to attend but couldn't afford the time off to go to the protest......for fear to lose their job or the day's pay.....:shrug

Unfortunately...there is no time when everyone is off and can protest at their 'leisure'....:shrug

[SurferGirl]

My hubby has to work tonight so we did leave around 3pm to head home.
I worked a few extra hours for a few days this week so I could take today off.

[LuvBigRip]

So, it's ok for other people to take time off and protest for legalization of late term abortion, illegal immigrants, against the war, against soldiers, against marines, against the treatment of terrorists at Guantanamo, the use of deoderant or whatever suits their fancy that week, because it is patriotic. But for hardworking Americans to take time off work, whose taxes pays for many salaries (including those in Washington) and welfare to protest higher taxes, that is somehow wrong and they should be working? I fail to see the logic.

[stresseater]

I'm not saying that they can't or shouldn't voice their opinions. I'm just saying that (unless they took the day off) they spent time picketing and not working.

And they probably didn't have a union to tell them it was ok to picket. LOL

[LuvBigRip]

And they probably didn't have a union to tell them it was ok to picket. LOL

More like they had to picket

[Jolie Rouge]

WTF? I've lost lots of respect for CNN

Wait there's more ... :rolling


CNN Correspondent Claims Tea Parties "Anti-Goverment" Anti-CNN"

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2009/04/15/cnn-correspondent-claims-tea-parties-anti-government-anti-cnn

CNN is finally covering the tea parties - by attacking the participants. After anchor Anderson Cooper made an obscene sexual joke about attendees, CNN correspondent Susan Roesgen rudely interrupted one of the protestors and slammed the event for being "anti-government," "anti-CNN," and "not really family viewing."

Roesgen asked a man holding his toddler, "Why are you here today?"

The man started to respond saying, "Because I hear a president say that he believed in what Lincoln stood for. Lincoln's primary thing was he believed people had the right to liberty and they had the right..."

But Roesgen cut him off him, saying, "But sir, what does that have to do with taxes? What does this have to do with your taxes?" She continued asking questions over his as he asked her to "let me finish my point." One crowd member was heard to yell "shut up" to the Roesgen.

When the man finished his statement about people having the "right to the fruits of their own labor" and "government should not take it," Roesgen began arguing with him again and other protesters began to get upset.

Roesgen backed away claiming that "you get the general tenor of this," tea party. "Anti-government, anti-CNN since this is highly promoted by the right-wing conservative network Fox and since I can't really hear much more and I think this is not really family viewing. Toss it back to you Kyra," Roesgen concluded.

Phillips followed by calling that assessment "a "prime example of what we're following across the country."

—Julia A. Seymour is an assistant editor for the Business & Media Institute.




After anchor Anderson Cooper made an obscene sexual joke about attendees....
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/04/15/cnns-anderson-cooper-its-hard-talk-when-youre-tea-bagging





And then tomorrow they'll all go back to work.

As opposed to those that attend/populate "left-wing" protests ?? :vroam:

[gmyers]

Well when the news anchors and reporters start paying the higher taxes and griping about it I'm going to be the first to laugh at them. I watched how the election was covered now I know why it was covered that way. Talk about the news taking sides. What happened to being objective. The way the tea parties were reported on today sure wasn't objective at all. I lost a lot of respect for CNN today.

[YNKYH8R]

So, it's ok for other people to take time off and protest for legalization of late term abortion, illegal immigrants, against the war, against soldiers, against marines, against the treatment of terrorists at Guantanamo, the use of deoderant or whatever suits their fancy that week, because it is patriotic. But for hardworking Americans to take time off work, whose taxes pays for many salaries (including those in Washington) and welfare to protest higher taxes, that is somehow wrong and they should be working? I fail to see the logic.Mmmmm no. In fact I never mentioned any of the following. You're drawing a conclusion based on one statement which was completely unrelated to what you wrote.

Rather than assume how I would feel why not ask how I feel?

[YNKYH8R]

As opposed to those that attend/populate "left-wing" protests ?? :vroam:

No. It is irrelivant as to which protest you attended.

[tngirl]

Anderson's comment was totally uncalled for. And what the heck were the CNN ladies talking about? I think they must have been listening to the voices in their heads instead of the people on the street.

[gmyers]

What comments did Anderson make I missed it?

[tngirl]

What comments did Anderson make I missed it?
After anchor Anderson Cooper made an obscene sexual joke about attendees.... http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew...re-tea-bagging (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/04/15/cnns-anderson-cooper-its-hard-talk-when-youre-tea-bagging)

"It's hard to talk when you are tea bagging" ~ Anderson Cooper.

[gmyers]

Let them make jokes it wont be so funny when the next election comes around. I hope people are watching how they're being made fun of for expessing their vuews.

[pepperpot]

obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
:hmmmm: That sounds about right.....:agree

[LuvBigRip]

Mmmmm no. In fact I never mentioned any of the following. You're drawing a conclusion based on one statement which was completely unrelated to what you wrote.

Rather than assume how I would feel why not ask how I feel?

Ok, how, exactly do you feel.

[LuvBigRip]

http://www.gjsentinel.com/ap/mediahub/media/slideshow/index.jsp?tId=152544

[LuvBigRip]

For thousands of Americans, Tax Day was a moment to protest what they see as bloated budgets and a pile of debt being passed on to their children.

For CNN, MSNBC and other media outlets, it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to use the word "teabagging" in a sentence.

Teabagging, for those who don't live in a frat house, refers to a sexual act involving part of the male genitalia and a second person's face or mouth.

So when the anti-tax "tea party" protests were held Wednesday across the country, cable anchors and guests -- who for weeks had all but ignored the story -- covered the protests by cracking a litany of barely concealed sexual references.

CNN anchor Anderson Cooper interspersed "teabagging" references with analyst David Gergen's more staid commentary on how Republicans are still "searching for their voice."

"It's hard to talk when you're teabagging," Cooper explained. Gergen laughed, but Cooper kept a straight face.

MSNBC's David Shuster weaved a tapestry of "Animal House" humor Monday as he filled in for Countdown host Keith Olbermann.

The protests, he explained, amount to "Teabagging day for the right wing and they are going nuts for it."

He described the parties as simultaneously "full-throated" and "toothless," and continued: "They want to give President Obama a strong tongue-lashing and lick government spending." Shuster also noted how the protesters "whipped out" the demonstrations this past weekend.

Tea Party participants were not amused. The events were held in dozens of cities across the country, and while some demonstrators were criticized for wielding off-topic and sometimes insensitive protest signs, most took to the streets to speak out against government spending.

Brent Bozell, president of the conservative Media Research Center, said the media coverage was "insulting," reacting specifically to CNN reporter Susan Roesgen's combative interviews with Illinois demonstrators in which she declared that the protests were "anti-CNN" and supported by FOX News. She left the teabagging jokes to her colleagues, though.

"I've never seen anything like it," Bozell said. "The oral sex jokes on (CNN) and particularly MSNBC on teabagging ... they had them by the dozens. That's how insulting they were toward people who believe they're being taxed too highly."

Max Pappas, public policy vice president at FreedomWorks -- a small-government group which promoted the tea parties -- said it's a "shame" media outlets cracked jokes at a genuine "grassroots uprising."

"I think what that reveals is how worried they are that this might actually be something serious. You make fun of things you're afraid of, I'd say," Pappas said.

If anyone thinks the orally charged remarks on mainstream cable were just a coincidence, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow's segments over the past week with guest, Air America's Ana Marie Cox, would dissolve all doubt. Their on-air gymnastics, dancing around the double entendre of the week, looked like live-action Beavis and Butthead.

By one count, the two of them used the word "teabag" more than 50 times on one show. And on Monday, Cox even let the viewers in on their joke -- referencing Urbandictionary.com, a site which offers a number of colorful definitions for the term "teabagging."

"Well, there is a lot of love in teabagging," Cox said. "It is curious, though, as you point out, they do not use the verb 'teabag.' It might be because they're less enthusiastic about teabagging than some of the more corporate conservatives who seem to have taken to it quite easily."

Jenny Beth Martin, a Republican activist who helped organize one protest in Atlanta, said she's not too worried about the protests being dismissed by some media outlets. She estimated 750,000 people attended more than 800 protests in all 50 states, and that at the very least the local media and community newspapers documented it.

"Our message definitely got out where it needed to get," she said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/16/cable-anchors-guests-use-tea-parties-platform-frat-house-humor/

[janelle]

I didn't know Anderson Cooper was gay!!! Learn something new everyday. HMMMM

[SurferGirl]

Anymore people are realizing that fox news is the only news they can trust.
The ratings are beginning to show it too.

By the way YNKYH8R what is your signature supposed to be.
It really makes me personally think you are showing disrespect for someone and it doesn't really help your credibility if you know what I mean.

[DBackFan]

I wanted to share a picture from the local tea party here in Moses Lake. I love the little ones sign!

http://images.townnews.com/columbiabasinherald.com/content/articles/2009/04/16/news/doc49e79cfd2a7b9531790137_thumb.jpg

They were at a park at a main intersection across the lake so they got a LOT of attention!

[anothersta]

Anderson's comment was totally uncalled for. And what the heck were the CNN ladies talking about? I think they must have been listening to the voices in their heads instead of the people on the street.

The CNN 'reporter' (used in the loosest sense of the word) couldn't understand why folks would be upset that the gov is slapping a 36,000 bill onto every man, woman and child in this country 'cause they were getting a 400 tax credit for 2 years lol

Someone needs to revisit second grade math!

[anothersta]

And they probably didn't have a union to tell them it was ok to picket. LOL

And ACORN didn't charter a bus to get us there!

[anothersta]

I'm not saying that they can't or shouldn't voice their opinions. I'm just saying that (unless they took the day off) they spent time picketing and not working.

Wonder how many people that picketed and threatened AIG employees went back to work the next day?

[tngirl]

More Tea Party Photos (http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/)

Filed under: BCR, Tea Party — BCR at 3:56 pm on Thursday, April 16, 2009 Edit This
I set up an online folder for the tea party photos from yesterday.


Memphis (http://picasaweb.google.com/bcrphoto/MemphisTaxDayTeaParty2009#)

Fayette County (http://picasaweb.google.com/bcrphoto/FayetteCountyTaxDayTeaParty2009#)

Haywood County (http://picasaweb.google.com/bcrphoto/HaywoodCountyTaxDayTeaParty2009#)


If readers have other photos they wish to share, then forward them and I will add to the collection.


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I am still trying to absorb what happened yesterday. It was something I was proud to have been a part of and was a beginning of something, not the end. I look forward with both fear and anticipation to the ultimate outcome of all of this. But you guys did it! One of the largest mass protests in the history of America. The media is reporting 300,000 across the country, but after my repeated experiences with the media’s counting yesterday, that means there was around a million of you out there. That does not include those of you who participated in the drive-by horn attacks. The upcoming Independence Day may well be just that!

[tngirl]

Red Eye Skewers MSM Tea Party Coverage!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr02kshCZgA

[tngirl]

This is the speech that one of our authors on the BCR blog made at one of the local TEA Parties. I believe this says it ALL. Mickey is big on this little thing called the Constitution.


I just thought that I would share it with all of you.



Tea Party - Somerville, Fayette county, Tennessee - My speech (http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/?p=1409)


(http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=1409)
Thank you Trish, and the tea party committee for inviting me to speak today. It is an honor to be here.


I am glad to see so many people here today. I am especially impressed to see all the young people that are here. I have spoken to many of them and I am amazed at the depth of their knowledge and I am encouraged by their passion for sound government.



The first tea party was to show the tyrannical king of England that we did not like being taxed so heavily and being represented so lightly. We all remember from school, ‘No taxation without representation.’ Please, we advocate only peaceful and lawful protest.


Today’s tea party is not that much different from the first one. Washington is not listening us. Washington ignores us. Washington does not fear us. Today, we want to send Washington a message: We are Fed Up and we are not going to take it anymore.



Our forefathers gave us a Republic form of government. That means Rule by Law. Not rule by tyrants in Washington! Our forefathers gave us the Constitution as our law. We are a Constitutional Republic.



The Constitution does not give Washington the power to do what ever they please. The Constitution limits the Federal government. The Constitution protects our God given Rights from an abusive government. The Constitution holds the government in check and prevents the majority (acting through their government) from violating the Rights of the individual.


The Constitution states exactly what the government is allowed to do, and friends, it is not that many things. The legislative branch, congress, has 20 things listed that they are allowed to do. That’s right, 20. The executive branch, the president, has 6 things listed that he is allowed to do. And there are 14 things listed for the Courts to do. All of these are listed explicitly. Why is our federal government so large? Also listed are things the Federal Government is not allowed to do. There are the first 10 amendments, known as the Bill of Rights, which most of them start with “the congress SHALL NOT”, “the congress SHALL NOT’, all the way to the that wonderful 10th amendment, which says “if we forgot anything, then you can’t do that either”.



Our leaders in Washington swore an oath to follow the Constitution. Does anyone here believe they are keeping that oath? Our country is 11 TRILLION dollars in debt. Yet our Congressmen are giving Billions away in foreign aid. Is taxing you, the public, in order to send your tax money to other countries in the Constitution? We are 11 Trillion dollars in debt. Yet our Congressmen are giving Billions away to private banks and private industry. Is that in the Constitution?



We have a department of Education. Is the education system today working well? Is government, excuse me, public education listed in the constitution? We have a department of Energy, is energy listed in the constitution? Is transportation, health, housing, or labor listed in the constitution? People, if Washington would follow the constitution, our government would be 20 percent the current size and only 20 percent the current cost. Send a message to Washington. No More unconstitutional spending. No more unconstitutional micro managing of our very lives. No more deprivation of our Liberties.


Washington thinks that if they are not prohibited, then they can do anything. We have been asleep and elected a bunch of self serving politicians. Thomas Jefferson said, “bind men down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”



We, here today, are here, to remind Washington that They have it Backwards.



They work For Us, not Us for them. They are to Protect, not provide.
This tea party today is to let Washington know that we are Not asleep. Law Breakers, I mean Law Makers, You are here by put on Notice. We are Watching you. We may have been asleep when we elected you, but your self-serving inability to follow your oath to these great United States of America, and to the Constitution, has awakened the sleeping giant. And we are mad.
But, in fairness, should we place all the blame on Washington? We elected them? Let me ask you, Just what is the problem in our great nation. What is wrong in America today?


Our national problem is ignorance.


Ignorance is desired, created, and sustained by those we have trusted.
Friends, freedom cannot survive in a Nation of Ignorance. But we here know that a majority of our citizens, us, will act responsibly and vote intelligently when we are correctly informed.



We must build understanding and increase awareness among the American people.


Informed and alerted citizens must be organized and activated as quickly as they can be found and taught.


An active and informed electorate would first bear down on the U.S. House of Representatives, where many of these unconstitutional programs can be stopped, mainly by cutting off the funding for them. By the same means, other unconstitutional and harmful legislation can be blocked, and the disastrous course of our nation can be reversed.


The next objective of an informed electorate would be the U.S. Senate, to restore its role as legislative check on the House.


A constitutionally correct House and Senate would then strip the Court and the executive branch of the unauthorized powers they have assumed.
My fellow Americans, we are at war. The battle is between individualism and collectivism.



The individualist believes that the rights of the individual must not be destroyed by the desires of the collective or the group.


Collectivists believe that the group is more important than the individuals that belong to it, and the individual must be sacrificed, if necessary, for the greater good of the greater number.


The individualist believes that with Rights, come responsibility and since we insist on individual rights, therefore we except the principle of individual responsibility, rather than group responsibility. We believe that every person has a responsibility to provide first for themselves, next for their family, and then for those outside their family who may be in need.
The collectivist on the other hand says that the individual is Not personally responsible for charity or raising their own children or providing for their aging parents or even providing for themselves for that matter. This is a group function of the state or of government itself.


The Individualist wants to be free to do it himself; the collectivist wants the government to do it for him. He believes government can solve all problems. Because government is the One group that can Force everyone to participate. It has the power of taxation backed by jail or the force of arms. Friends, collectivism is Legal Plunder.


Individualist believe in Freedom, collectivist believe in compulsion.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we are at war. The battle is between morality and amorality.


We want integrity in government. We want honesty in the market place. We want social harmony. These things must be based on morality, they can not be legislated into existence.



True morality is not possible without a firm religious base. True morality is doing what is right just because it is right, and for no other reason.
Religion is indispensable for a nation’s morality and for liberty.


Thomas Jefferson also said, “Resistance To Tyranny Is Obedience To God.”
Let this tea party today, here in Somerville, Fayette county Tennessee, mark the beginning, the beginning of Less Government, More Responsibility, and with God’s Help, a better World.


Thank you

[janelle]

YNKYH8R has a point. People taking time off work to protest. I bet if the protest was held on a Saturday when people were off work the turn out would have been three times bigger.

Hard working people may have taken a vacation day to go but a lot of them wouldn't have been able to take any time off.

[anothersta]

YNKYH8R has a point. People taking time off work to protest. I bet if the protest was held on a Saturday when people were off work the turn out would have been three times bigger.

Hard working people may have taken a vacation day to go but a lot of them wouldn't have been able to take any time off.

I know several people who couldn't attend because they were working. I think one on a non holiday Saturday would be interesting.

I enjoyed the one I went to, gave us a chance to take a stand and attempt to be heard. But, no one put their tea in the water (we were near a pond) cause we didn't know if it would hurt the ducks lol So, we had a symbolic dropping of the tea into a barrel.

[janelle]

We wanted to go to the one here but we had a class. I bet lots of people had to do other things that evening or they would have been there after work. We got to see it on the news though, well at least on FOX news.

[SurferGirl]

The next tea party is scheduled on a Saturday May 30.

[Jolie Rouge]

Content warning. Don’t read any further if you’ve just had a meal and want to keep it down, ok?

This is vulgarian Matt Taibbi: http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/04/15/teabagging-michelle-malkin/


I have to say, I’m really enjoying this whole teabag thing. It’s really inspiring some excellent daydreaming. For one thing, it’s brought together the words teabag and Michelle Malkin for me in a very powerful, thrilling sort of way. Not that I haven’t ever put those two concepts together before, but this is the first time it’s happened while in the process of reading her actual columns.

Previously Michelle Malkin’s writing was on the edge of unreadable; she’s sort of like Ann Coulter, only without that tiny fraction of P.T. Barnum/Mick Jagger-esque self-promotional flair that makes Coulter at least vaguely interesting. When you read Ann Coulter, you know you’re reading someone who would f-ck a hippopotamus if she thought it would boost her Q rating. That’s a rare quality and it commands one’s attention.

Michelle Malkin doesn’t have that. She’s just a mean little dunce who’s wedged herself into a nicely paying career as a GOP spokesclown, and she’s going to ride that gig for as long as it keeps gas in her minivan.

And that’s fine, good for her. But that doesn’t make her readable. However, this move of hers to spearhead the teabag movement really adds an element to her writing that wasn’t there before. Now when I read her stuff, I imagine her narrating her text, book-on-tape style, with a big, hairy set of balls in her mouth. It vastly improves her prose.

This is internationally respected, award-winning CNN journalist Anderson Cooper indulging in the same stupid sexual “teabagging” innuendo with respected politico David Gergen...

What is the difference between Taibbi and Cooper?

Taibbi at least had the courage of his sexual predelictions not to hide coyly behind innuendo.

Anderson Cooper doesn’t have the ba… :eek:

Never mind.

Does internationally respected, award-winning CNN journalist Anderson Cooper feel any shame in the fact that he dragged David Gergen down with him to get in his cheap shot at hundreds of thousands of Tax Day Tea Party protesters?

250,000 Americans assemble peacefully to protest high taxes, massive spending, and endless bailouts, and all the liberal media can do for a week is recycle each other’s lame teabagging jokes on prime time TV?

:rolleyes:

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Related: Greg Gutfeld guts Cooper. http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/04/15/teabagging-michelle-malkin/

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Rep. Jan Schakowsky calls the Tea Party protesters “despicable.” http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/16/schakowsky-tea-parties-despicable/ But not a word about the disgusting sexual jokes aimed at Tea Party supporters.

Well, now: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-31-congresswoman-husband_x.htm


The husband of an Illinois congresswoman pleaded guilty Wednesday to tax violations and bank fraud for writing rubber checks and failing to collect withholding tax from an employee.

Robert Creamer, a political consultant married to four-term U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky, could face four years in prison on the two felony counts when he is sentenced Dec. 21.


http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/16/what-is-the-difference-between-anderson-cooper-and-matt-taibbi/#comments
***

Like Diana West said: The death of the grown-up. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/16/cable-anchors-guests-use-tea-parties-platform-frat-house-humor/



House Democrat Leaders: Tea Partiers Are Racist, Nazi, Gun Nuts


If the Obama administration has taken flak for suggesting that conservative groups might be home to domestic terrorists, it looks like some House Democrat leaders are willing to go even further: http://www.rollcall.com/news/33987-1.html


But in an interview on Fox TV in San Francisco, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) chalked up the GOP grass-roots effort as “AstroTurf.”

“This initiative is funded by the high end; we call it AstroTurf, it's not really a grass-roots movement. It's AstroTurf by some of the wealthiest people in America to keep the focus on tax cuts for the rich instead of for the great middle class,” Pelosi said.

Other House Democratic leaders took a different tack: One senior aide has been circulating a document to the media that debunks the effort as one driven by corporate lobbyists and attended by neo-Nazis...

In addition, the tea parties are “not really all about average citizens,” the document continues, saying neo-Nazis, militias, secessionists and racists are attending them. The tea parties are also not peaceful, since reporters in Cincinnati had to seek “police protection” during one of the events, it states.


The suggestions that these tea parties are driven by DC-based groups is laughable; Liz Mair takes a critical look and concludes the charge is baseless. http://lizmair.com/blog.php?Index=452 Besides the points that Mair makes, it's worth noting that while there have been dozens of tea parties, few have featured conservative candidates or representatives of DC think tanks and lobbying groups.

As far as the charge that these rallies are composed of Nazis and terrorists, that's hard to reconcile with the pictures of participants. There are too many young children and grandparents. Further, even a strong Obama supporter like Susan Roesgen didn't turn up any violent types at the Chicago Tea Party, despite her best attempt to provoke a strong reaction.

There probably aren't many Democrats who genuinely believe the charges levied by their leadership. Nate Silver guesstimates that about 250,000 people have attended the tea parties - so far. Do Ms. Pelosi and other Democrat leaders think they're all neo-nazis?

If this is a conversation they want to have, however, perhaps Ms. Pelosi can explain the role of Marxists and North Korean sympathizers in the U.S. anti-war movement, or discuss how George Soros bought such influence in the Democratic party. It's not a debate that would help Democrats, since it's relatively easy to show the role of fringe extremists in the Democratic grassroots.

'Senior Democrats' ought to have the courage to publicly assert what they're whispering to the media. But if they're afraid to admit that they're slandering hundreds of thousands of grassroots organizers and activists, is it too much to hope that some reporter will share a copy of these secret talking points?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/04/house_democrat_leaders_tea_par.asp

[LuvBigRip]

Ok, but the so called grass roots effort by some of the highest paid "entertainers" for Obama is not Astroturf? Oprah? P Diddy?

Way to belittle the taxpayers Nancy

[gmyers]

Let them keep doing it. Come election time they may be looking for a new job. I've always known that politicians didn't have any use for voters except at election time. But I didn't know they had contempt for them. I really hope people are watching this and remember it come election time. Sounds like a lot of people working in Washington think they're way above us lowly tax payers. Shoot they don't even think they have to follow the same rules we do. Like maybe pay your taxes.

[janelle]

O'Reilly said these gutter snips are just hating the fact no one is watching them. FOX is out rating them at every hour of the day and swamping them in the ratings. If they keep insulting their audience their numbers will do down faster. In a way I hope they keep getting more gross. Their real selves are on display now and we can see it in all it's nastiness.

[anothersta]

O'Reilly said these gutter snips are just hating the fact no one is watching them. FOX is out rating them at every hour of the day and swamping them in the ratings. If they keep insulting their audience their numbers will do down faster. In a way I hope they keep getting more gross. Their real selves are on display now and we can see it in all it's nastiness.

I hope they keep up the good work and put themselves out of business. MSNBC has already gotten a bailout from taxpayers via GE.

State sponsored television has hit America!

Do you have the DTV new active thingy where you can go look at the ratings real time. I was really surprised to see that Fox is right. They are ALWAYS #1 or #2, even in the middle of the night.

Sometimes, Law and Order is #1. Survivor sometimes also makes the top 2, but it's NEVER msnbc, cnn, or hln.

[janelle]

Why bailout TV shows that stink? That is the reason shows go off the air, no one wants to watch them. I bet they would not give a dime to FOX. Hypocrites. FOX does not need it though since they are number one in the ratings.

Might as well rename it Obama network and get it over with.

[anothersta]

Why bailout TV shows that stink? That is the reason shows go off the air, no one wants to watch them. I bet they would not give a dime to FOX. Hypocrites. FOX does not need it though since they are number one in the ratings.

Might as well rename it Obama network and get it over with.

lol MSBHO network? Fox won't ask for a bailout, they are too busy filing lawsuits against the gov to get paperwork regarding bailouts. We can thank them for using the freedom of information act.

The latest is that the gov is saying, Oh sure, you can have those documents. That will be 800.00

Kinda kills the free thing the gov does that.

[janelle]

Obama's Recipe For Change Not My Cup of Tea
by Ann Coulter

04/15/2009

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31490

I had no idea how important this week's nationwide anti-tax tea parties were until hearing liberals denounce them with such ferocity. The New York Times' Paul Krugman wrote a column attacking the tea parties, apologizing for making fun of "crazy people." It's OK, Paul, you're allowed to do that for the same reason Jews can make fun of Jews.

On MSNBC, hosts Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow have been tittering over the similarity of the name "tea parties" to an obscure homosexual sexual practice known as "tea bagging." Night after night, they sneer at Republicans for being so stupid as to call their rallies "tea bagging."

Every host on Air America and every unbathed, basement-dwelling loser on the left wing blogosphere has spent the last week making jokes about tea bagging, a practice they show a surprising degree of familiarity with.


Except no one is calling the tea parties "tea bagging" -- except Olbermann and Maddow. Republicans call them "tea parties."

But if the Republicans were calling them "tea-bagging parties," the MSNBC hosts would have a fantastically hilarious segment for viewers in San Francisco and the West Village and not anyplace else in the rest of the country. On the other hand, they're not called "tea-bagging parties." (That, of course refers to the cocktail hour at Barney Frank's condo in Georgetown.)

You know what else would be hilarious? It would be hilarious if Hillary Clinton's name were "Ima Douche." Unfortunately, it's not. It was just a dream. Most people would wake up, realize it was just a dream and scrap the joke. Not MSNBC hosts.

The point of the tea parties is to note the fact that the Democrats' modus operandi is to lead voters to believe they are no more likely to raise taxes than Republicans, get elected and immediately raise taxes.

Apparently, the people who actually pay taxes consider this a bad idea.

Obama's biggest shortcoming is that he believes the things believed by all Democrats, which have had devastating consequences every time they are put into effect. Among these is the Democrats' admiration for raising taxes on the productive.

All Democrats for the last 30 years have tried to stimulate the economy by giving "tax cuts" to people who don't pay taxes. Evidently, offering to expand welfare payments isn't a big vote-getter.

Even Bush had a "stimulus" bill that sent government checks to lots of people last year. Guess what happened? It didn't stimulate the economy. Obama's stimulus bill is the mother of all pork bills for friends of O and of Congressional Democrats. ("O" stands for Obama, not Oprah, but there's probably a lot of overlap.)

And all that government spending on the Democrats' constituents will be paid for by raising taxes on the productive.

Raise taxes and the productive will work less, adopt tax shelters, barter instead of sell, turn to an underground economy -- and the government will get less money.

The perfect bar bet with a liberal would be to wager that massive government deficits in the '80s were not caused by Reagan's tax cuts. If you casually mentioned that you thought Reagan's tax cuts brought in more revenue to the government -- which they did -- you could get odds in Hollywood and Manhattan. (This became a less attractive wager in New York this week after Gov. David Paterson announced his new plan to tax bar bets.)

The lie at the heart of liberals' mantra on taxes -- "tax increases only for the rich" -- is the ineluctable fact that unless taxes are raised across the board, the government won't get its money to fund layers and layers of useless government bureaucrats, none of whom can possibly be laid off.

How much would you have to raise taxes before any of Obama's constituents noticed? They don't pay taxes, they engage in "tax-reduction" strategies, they work for the government, or they're too rich to care. (Or they have off-shore tax shelters, like George Soros.)

California tried the Obama soak-the-productive "stimulus" plan years ago and was hailed as the perfect exemplar of Democratic governance.

In June 2002, the liberal American Prospect magazine called California a "laboratory" for Democratic policies, noting that "California is the only one of the nation's 10 largest states that is uniformly under Democratic control."

They said this, mind you, as if it were a good thing. In California, the article proclaimed, "the next new deal is in tryouts." As they say in show biz: "Thanks, we'll call you. Next!"

In just a few years, Democrats had turned California into a state -- or as it's now known, a "job-free zone" -- with a $41 billion deficit, a credit rating that was slashed to junk-bond status and a middle class now located in Arizona.

Democrats governed California the way Democrats always govern. They bought the votes of government workers with taxpayer-funded jobs, salaries and benefits -- and then turned around and accused the productive class of "greed" for wanting not to have their taxes raised through the roof.

Having run out of things to tax, now the California legislature is considering a tax on taxes. Seriously. The only way out now for California is a tax on Botox and steroids. Sure, the governor will protest, but it is the best solution ...

California was, in fact, a laboratory of Democratic policies. The rabbit died, so now Obama is trying it on a national level.

That's what the tea parties are about.

[Jolie Rouge]

Hey, how about an analysis of the Tax Day Tea Party movement that doesn’t involve sexual jokes, Beavis & Butthead-style guffawing, or D-list allegations of RAAAAACISM? Here’s my syndicated column on what Republicans in elected office — and fiscal conservatives unhappy with double-talking GOP politicians — need to take away from this week. Make it count!

***


[b]The Million Taxpayer March
by Michelle Malkin

Let’s use liberal math to calculate attendance at this week’s nationwide Tax Day Tea Party protests. When left-wing activists make crowd estimates, the algorithm is: Six figures = one million. An incomplete survey of newspaper accounts and organizer estimates pegged the Tea Party protest population at a minimum of 250,000. We can now, therefore, officially call it the Million Taxpayer March.

Or the Million Rightwing Extremists March if you work for the Department of Homeland Security.

To George Soros-funded grievance professionals, 250,000 is an insignificant number. But unlike recent anti-war and pro-illegal immigration rallies padded with union workers, college students, and homeless people, the Tax Day Tea Party demonstrations featured small business owners, working taxpayers, and families. This wasn’t a weekend or holiday, mind you. A quarter million people took time off in the middle of the work week to raise their voices against reckless taxing and bipartisan spending.

Multi-millionaire jet-setter Nancy Pelosi scoffed that the Tax Day Tea Party movement was nothing more than “Astroturf” politics to protect the “wealthiest people” in America. Democrat Rep. Jan Schakowsky called the peaceable assemblies “despicable.” Other bitter, clingy Tea Party-bashers grumbled that activists only showed up where Fox News cameras were. But tens of thousands more came out in rain, snow, and cold – in Bozeman, Montana; Eau Claire, Wisconsin; Carson City, Nevada; White Plains, New York; Bend, Oregon; Lansing, Michigan; Hilo, Hawaii; Nashville, TN; and everywhere in between — with no media personalities or celebrities in sight.

If only the condescending cable TV anchors at CNN and MSNBC had paused from wallowing in gutter puns about tea bags, they might have reported an even more significant phenomenon: Tea Party protesters were as vocal in their criticism of Republicans as they were of Democrats. In Salt Lake City, Utah, a crowd of 2,000 repeatedly booed GOP Sens. Orrin Hatch and Bob Bennett, who both supported the $700 billion TARP bailout, and protested GOP Gov. Jon Huntsman’s decision to accept $1.6 billion in porky stimulus funds.

In Sacramento, Tea Party organizer Mark Meckler singled out California GOP chair Ron Nehring for waffling on proposed $16 billion tax hikes. The crowd of 5,000 greeted Nehring – who unsuccessfully tried to hitch his wagon to the Tea Party movement – with a roar of boos and catcalls. Speaker after speaker lambasted Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for abandoning fiscal conservative principles. The loudest chant of the day: “Throw them out.”

In Madison, Wisconsin, GOP Rep. Paul Ryan – hyped as a conservative “rockstar” – was well-received. But I heard from staunch fiscal conservative constituents who refused to be silent about Ryan’s complicity. He gave one of the most hysterical speeches in the rush to pass TARP last fall; voted for the auto bailout; and voted with the Barney Frank/Nancy Pelosi AIG bonus-bashing stampede. Milwaukee blogger Nick Schweitzer wrote: “He ought to be apologizing for his previous votes, not pretending he was being responsible the entire time, but I don’t see one bit of regret for what he did previously. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to let him get away with it.”

Other Tea Party participants pointed out that Newt Gingrich, who jumped aboard the bandwagon, flip-flopped on TARP in the space of a week last September and made common cause with Al Gore and Nancy Pelosi in ads calling for immediate action on “climate change.”

Before the grass-roots Tea Party movement took them by surprise, Beltway GOP strategists argued fervently that the party’s traditional focus on taxes and spending had become outdated. The re-branders pitched their own expansive ideas to replace the anti-tax-and-spend agenda and inspire new voters. These included Gingrich’s “green conservatism,” David Frum’s proposal to raise carbon taxes, and open-borders Republicans’ plans for alternative forms of amnesty. Newsflash: Eco-zealotry and in-state tuition discounts for illegal aliens didn’t bring out thousands of first-time activists on the streets. Stay-at-home moms weren’t up all night making signs that read “Tax me more, please!”

What resonated on Tax Day were non-partisan calls to roll back pork, hold the line on taxing and spending, end the endless government bailouts, and stop the congressional steamrollers who have pushed through mountains of legislation without deliberation. This is a teachable moment for GOP public relations peddlers in Washington. While they search for the Holy Grail of Re-branding in tony salons and country club conferences, the agenda for 2010 is smacking them in the face. It’s the three T’s, stupid: Too Many Taxes, Trillions in Debt, and Transparency.

The GOP path to reclaiming power lies with candidates who can make a credible case that they will support and defend fiscal responsibility. That means acting on fiscal conservative principles now, not paying lip service later. The reckonable forces of the Tea Party movement didn’t let opportunists escape accountability on Tax Day. The GOP shouldn’t assume they’ll get a pass on Election Day, either.

As one of the most popular Tea Party signs read: “You can’t fix stupid, but you can vote it out.”

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/17/the-million-taxpayer-march/

[anothersta]

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) blasted "tea party" protests yesterday, labeling the activities "despicable" and shameful."

"The 'tea parties' being held today by groups of right-wing activists, and fueled by FOX News Channel, are an effort to mislead the public about the Obama economic plan that cuts taxes for 95 percent of Americans and creates 3.5 million jobs," Schakowsky said in a statement.

"It's despicable that right-wing Republicans would attempt to cheapen a significant, honorable moment of American history with a shameful political stunt," she added. "Not a single American household or business will be taxed at a higher rate this year. Made to look like a grassroots uprising, this is an Obama bashing party promoted by corporate interests, as well as Republican lobbyists and politicians."

This is the strongest language to date opposing the protesters, which, according to some estimates, topped 250,000 across the country.

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/16/schakowsky-tea-parties-despicable/

[anothersta]

CHICAGO (AP) — The husband of an Illinois congresswoman pleaded guilty Wednesday to tax violations and bank fraud for writing rubber checks and failing to collect withholding tax from an employee.
Robert Creamer, a political consultant married to four-term U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky, could face four years in prison on the two felony counts when he is sentenced Dec. 21.

"In my heart, I know that these mistakes do not define or diminish this good man, or the good work that he has done over the last 40 years or that he will do in the future," Schakowsky, D-Ill., said after her husband's court hearing.

Schakowsky has not been accused of any wrongdoing

Creamer, 58, a prominent Chicago political consultant, was accused of swindling nine financial institutions of at least $2.3 million while he ran a public interest group in the 1990s.

Creamer told reporters Wednesday there was "no doubt that my actions a decade ago were very foolish and placed myself, my family, the organization and many of those who worked with me at considerable risk."

He offered a "sincere apology to anyone who has been affected by my conduct."

The indictment alleged Creamer caused a series of insufficiently funded checks and wire transfers to be drawn on accounts he controlled as executive director of the Illinois Public Action Fund. According to the indictment, he allegedly then used the inflated balances to pay the group's expenses and own salary.

Creamer pleaded guilty to one count each of bank fraud and failure to collect withholding tax. In exchange for his plea, prosecutors dropped several other counts.

His lawyer, Theodore Poulos, said he hopes Creamer can avoid prison and serve whatever sentence he receives in a halfway house or under house arrest.

Schakowsky, who lives in the Chicago suburb of Evanston, said she doesn't think her husband's plea would prompt a primary challenge next year in her heavily Democratic district.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-31-congresswoman-husband_x.htm

Of course for her husband (a felon), she knows that he's a good man, blah, blah, blah

I mean, he only swindled folks out of 2.3 million dollars. He's didn't do anything as shameful as peacefully standing in a park with a group of people, holding a flag while saying the pledge of allegience. Maybe it was the Star Spangled Banner that sent her over the edge?

Or maybe, just maybe, she should have attended a tea party to see what was going on before she went shooting off her big fat mouth!!

[SurferGirl]

Couldn't possibly be that he and Pelosi have already increased taxes on cigarettes and that when they get their cap and trade through we will all be paying thousands more a year for heat and air conditioning.

Couldn't possibly be that we are upset over our representatives not even listening to us.

Couldn't possibly be that we could see that reckless spending isn't going to get us out of the recession that the democrats created. While they just couldn't spend money fast enough they are cutting our defense while other countries are increasing theirs.

Couldn't possibly be that we are fed up and want smaller government not
bigger government.

Couldn't possibly be that we are tired of being told lies.







I guess I'm just some type of right wing liberal who happens to like the fact we have a constitution and a bill of rights.

[pepperpot]

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) blasted "tea party" protests yesterday, labeling the activities "despicable" and shameful."

My comment..... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Z2MP8vMWU&feature=PlayList&p=AB2E59A69089A6BB&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2)

[gmyers]

Why didn't some of these people critcizing the people in the tea parties actually go there and listen to what they had to say. And I think the news stations ought to put some of them on the news and interview them and let everybody hear what they have to say insted of insulting them without knowing how they felt or what they stood for.

[anothersta]

I guess I'm just some type of right wing liberal who happens to like the fact we have a constitution and a bill of rights.


And is afraid to dump tea into the water cause we don't wanta risk hurting the ducks lol

We're a rowdy group, we are :)

PS. We didn't try to swindle the ducks out of their money either. We are such scum.

[anothersta]

Why didn't some of these people critcizing the people in the tea parties actually go there and listen to what they had to say. And I think the news stations ought to put some of them on the news and interview them and let everybody hear what they have to say insted of insulting them without knowing how they felt or what they stood for.

Because Liberals don't want to hear opposing points of view. They just want to attack cause they are so much better than us.

IL's claim to fame, East St. Louis and a seat belt law with no motorcycle helmet law. Can't believe she would overlook those things and attack tea parties.

[YNKYH8R]

Ok, how, exactly do you feel.My feeling is that rather than picketing people should be working...no matter what their picketing.

You will never see me picketing. I'm usually too busy.

[YNKYH8R]

Anymore people are realizing that fox news is the only news they can trust.
The ratings are beginning to show it too.

By the way YNKYH8R what is your signature supposed to be.
It really makes me personally think you are showing disrespect for someone and it doesn't really help your credibility if you know what I mean.I'm not responding to this comment as it refers to other people's disrespect for me from other boards.

Oh....wait...you already knew that....lol!

[pepperpot]

My feeling is that rather than picketing people should be working...no matter what their picketing.

You will never see me picketing. I'm usually too busy.

Sometimes sacrificing a day of work to voice your opinion when you feel strongly about something is healthy. Especially when it refers to how the money you are working for is being spent. :agree Otherwise, one is just a sheep :sheep:

I'd agree if one picketed everything from peanuts to popcorn as an excuse to not work...but that's not the case here....

And perhaps if enough people picket and say "enough is enough", everyone will be working instead of waiting for that handout/bailout/program/"entitlement"/etc.....;)

[YNKYH8R]

Sometimes sacrificing a day of work to voice your opinion when you feel strongly about something is healthy. Especially when it refers to how the money you are working for is being spent. :agree Otherwise, one is just a sheep :sheep:

I'd agree if one picketed everything from peanuts to popcorn as an excuse to not work...but that's not the case here....

And perhaps if enough people picket and say "enough is enough", everyone will be working instead of waiting for that handout/bailout/program/"entitlement"/etc.....;)1) It's not the governments responsbility to give you a job. 2) Major companies are not obligated to provide you with work. 3) What became of the picketing?

The power of the people is in the pen and the ballot box.

[anothersta]

1) It's not the governments responsbility to give you a job. 2) Major companies are not obligated to provide you with work.

or a house, or healthcare, or a bus to the AIG employee homes.....

[pepperpot]

1) It's not the governments responsbility to give you a job. 2) Major companies are not obligated to provide you with work. 3) What became of the picketing?

The power of the people is in the pen and the ballot box.

1) tell that to Obama....

2) absolutely, many took 'personal time' to attend, such as one would for their child's science fair or such.....

3) we'll see.....the first tea party helped create this nation....

The power of the people is in their voice...the pen and the ballot box are not always reliable...and some find out after-wards that they were lied to and mislead into casting their ballot.....right now we still have 'freedom of speech'...and that is most valuable....perhaps it will, at minimum, influence the next pen and ballot....

BTW Not sure where you got the opinion that I thought the government should provide/give all jobs....I say leave the government out of it....I'm all for capitalism.....

[anothersta]

or an abortion, or an abortion if you don't even live here, or a tax on your energy....

Feel free to keep adding to the list folks :)

[YNKYH8R]

1) tell that to Obama....

2) absolutely, many took 'personal time' to attend, such as one would for their child's science fair or such.....

3) we'll see.....the first tea party helped create this nation....

The power of the people is in their voice...the pen and the ballot box are not always reliable...and some find out after-wards that they were lied to and mislead into casting their ballot.....right now we still have 'freedom of speech'...and that is most valuable....perhaps it will, at minimum, influence the next pen and ballot....

BTW Not sure where you got the opinion that I thought the government should provide/give all jobs....I say leave the government out of it....I'm all for capitalism.....Thank you....I say, go out and find an f'ing job already. People wanting Obama to give them a job or some kind of security....do it the old fashioned way....earn it.

[pepperpot]

Thank you....I say, go out and find an f'ing job already. People wanting Obama to give them a job or some kind of security....do it the old fashioned way....earn it.

:agree

I think most of the people participating are the ones who have been working and are tired of supporting every-other-thing under the sun from our taxes.....well worth a day of pay to make the point.....if they don't make the point, nothing changes and it's business as usual....:(

[YNKYH8R]

My favorite moto is..."if your life sucks, then you're doing something wrong."

Whether or not picketing is a waste of time is debatable. Obviously a show of numbers does seem to make a difference to the powers that be.

[SurferGirl]

YNKYH8R, you never did explain your signature.
What is it supposed to mean.

[YNKYH8R]

YNKYH8R, you never did explain your signature.
What is it supposed to mean.

And like I said b4...you already know.

[SurferGirl]

And like I said b4...you already know.

Actually I had no idea and that is why I asked.

[gmyers]

Anybody know how many people turned out I heard it was several hundred thousand in all of them. Is that true?

[ahippiechic]

You can knock off the arguing about someone's sig. Unless you're trying to get the thread closed.

[YNKYH8R]

I will say this....

My signature is not going to be changed. I have no reason to change it.

Although I find it interesting that anothersa thanked you for your question.....since it doesn't involve either of you.

[anothersta]

Anybody know how many people turned out I heard it was several hundred thousand in all of them. Is that true?

so far, the numbers I've seen were 330,000 with around 2000 tea parties. There were 586 at ours (city with 6,000 population). I thought that was pretty good. I dont' think all the numbers have been submitted yet.

[SurferGirl]

The crowds were so large the best they could do was guess or estimate.
I think the tea parties were a big success.

[gmyers]

I can't believe they're not taking the people seriously and are just insulting them. The next tea parties may have twice that many as people get outraged at getting insulted.

[SurferGirl]

I was very offended by some of the comments that the major networks made about the tea parties. We have a legitimate reason to gather and to protest.
We have representatives and senators that don't listen to us and a president that has no experience and just by judging the people he has appointed he still prefers the radical Chicago style type. He also wanted a big massive spending bill while at the same time cutting military spending. Not a very smart move and not only bad for the safety of our country but will put some really good people out of work that have spent their whole career developing technology that keeps us safe. Our country can't afford to lose those great minds.

[LuvBigRip]

My feeling is that rather than picketing people should be working...no matter what their picketing.

You will never see me picketing. I'm usually too busy.

The thing is, we have been working, supporting welfare, entitlement programs and "public servants" all of whom haven't been listening to the letters we have written to those who are supposed to serve us, letters to editors and yes, even blogs and forums, that we, Joe American Tax payer are fed up. Letters to politicians breed form letter responses that thank us for our POV, but tell us in no uncertain terms that they are not listening.

When the hard working American takes a day off to protest, it is time to pay attention. We are tired of not being listened to, and we have realized that the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Vocal minorities have been getting attention from politicians because they are organized and well funded. The tea parties are our way of being vocal. We are, however, the majority. We may have let radical fringe groups, lobbyists and fatcat politicians take over because we were too busy working to support them to stand out on Main Street and hold a sign, but i think we are done. Just done, fed up, sick and tired of it all. I think Dee Snyder said it best. We're not gonna take it anymore.

I too am busy, overly busy for the most part, but there comes a point in time when enough is enough and if it takes a homemade sign on some poster board that finally gets some politician to sit up and listen, well then it was worth missing lunch for.

Tea parties worked once, and there is a saying that history is doomed to repeat itself.

[freeby4me]

Because Liberals don't want to hear opposing points of view. They just want to attack cause they are so much better than us.

IL's claim to fame, East St. Louis and a seat belt law with no motorcycle helmet law. Can't believe she would overlook those things and attack tea parties.

Hey, it was just a few years ago that you were only a "True American" or even "Patriotic" if you were a Republican. Hell, what "few years ago", thats what Palin kept saying over and over and over and over.
If that isnt a suppiority complex I dont know what is.

[mikej]

The thing is, we have been working, supporting welfare, entitlement programs and "public servants" all of whom haven't been listening to the letters we have written to those who are supposed to serve us, letters to editors and yes, even blogs and forums, that we, Joe American Tax payer are fed up. Letters to politicians breed form letter responses that thank us for our POV, but tell us in no uncertain terms that they are not listening.

When the hard working American takes a day off to protest, it is time to pay attention. We are tired of not being listened to, and we have realized that the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Vocal minorities have been getting attention from politicians because they are organized and well funded. The tea parties are our way of being vocal. We are, however, the majority. We may have let radical fringe groups, lobbyists and fatcat politicians take over because we were too busy working to support them to stand out on Main Street and hold a sign, but i think we are done. Just done, fed up, sick and tired of it all. I think Dee Snyder said it best. We're not gonna take it anymore.

I too am busy, overly busy for the most part, but there comes a point in time when enough is enough and if it takes a homemade sign on some poster board that finally gets some politician to sit up and listen, well then it was worth missing lunch for.

Tea parties worked once, and there is a saying that history is doomed to repeat itself.

In what universe were teabaggers a majority? At best turnout was 250,000. This nation has a population of more than 306 million. 1.6% turned out. That's a small minority.

[SurferGirl]

Mike, your comment was rude and insulting.

Now if you would bother to look into the facts there were thousands of patriots at locations all over our country.
I went to a tea party in a relatively small town and it was like a sea of people were there.

[hesnothere]

Actually, this is what is rude and insulting. I just hope the rest of the world doesn't think all americans are as ignorant

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[tngirl]

Why is it rude? Does the truth hurt?

[hesnothere]

Not my truth by the longest stretch and the only thing that hurts is the ignorance shown. I do know that if I was going to throw verbal stones at someone/thing I would learn and implement the proper spelling.

[gmyers]

Not everybody thinks Obama is doing a good job. I wish he was. I think he wants to do too many things too fast and we're going to have a hard time paying for it all without getting deeper in debt than he already has got this country. Wheres all the money going to come from for the tons of things he wants to do so fast. Other presidents knew you can't do everything at once. He needs to realize that too.

[jeanea33]

I am sure a few were making racial comments on their signs. I personally dont agree with those. The ones on Obama's financial policies, totally agree with. At ANY protest there will be signs people disagree with. People are losing their jobs and tensions are high on both sides. People lash out when they are angry. I attended ours here.Race was never even mentioned. It was a awesome experience.

[tngirl]

Ah come on guys, you know there were people there also that wanted to put a bad light on the entire affair. I am not saying that it was this case with the photo, but you have to admit that there is that possibility.

And also, who died and made you the spell check police?

[gmyers]

Out of all the people there why do people focus on the few that make racial remarks?There was many people there that didn't do that. Someone said that there wasn't that many there considering the people in the US. But I bet you'll see even more at the next ones. People are tired of whats going on.

[ahippiechic]

While I'm not behind the Tea Parties, protesting has worked before and even when it didn't, at least you know you tried and you spoke up for what you thought was right.

[YNKYH8R]

Mike, your comment was rude and insulting.

Now if you would bother to look into the facts there were thousands of patriots at locations all over our country.
I went to a tea party in a relatively small town and it was like a sea of people were there.Bu the has a point. If (out of 306 million people) 290 million people were picketing then it would be a majority. Even 157 million would probably make the cut off.

[hesnothere]

While I'm not behind the Tea Parties, protesting has worked before and even when it didn't, at least you know you tried and you spoke up for what you thought was right.

Absolutely, I've organized many demonstrations over the years and agree 100%. I do believe that one should care enough about what they are protesting to at least stay on topic and make sure the signs are spelled correctly, especially if they are hoping for any type of media coverage.

The problem is these "tea parties" don't even know what they are truly protesting. They have no common voice. Some are saying it's about taxes, some are saying it's about spending, some of the protestors are waving signs about guns. Some are saying it's about Obama, others are saying it's not about Obama. And some are just anti-government.

It's really just a piss and moan session.

[ahippiechic]

It's really just a piss and moan session.

I do agree with that to an extent. But like you said, I have organized and participated in many demonstrations in my life. Some helped, some didn't seem to have much effect at all, but everyone knew where I stood, lol!

[ElleGee]

I am all for protesting but......

I am sorry but the pics with Obama as Hitler and the swasticas are unpatriotic, and the people carrying them should be shot. Period.. How are you going to use a symbol of hate to a protest like that? That is way over the line and is disgusting. And if you agree with the signs then you should be ashamed..... Really ashamed..

[pepperpot]

Bu the has a point. If (out of 306 million people) 290 million people were picketing then it would be a majority. Even 157 million would probably make the cut off.

But not everyone one who agreed with the tea parties or backs the messages sent will attend....for various reasons.......all the 'supporters' are hard to count....

[gmyers]

I'm curious to see how many come out for the next ones and if there will be any news coverage of them. There wasn't that much news coverage of these which I find strange. Usually CNN is all over the least little thing. I guess they don't like anybody disagreeing with Obama or they would have covered it more.

[pepperpot]

I am all for protesting but......

I am sorry but the pics with Obama as Hitler and the swasticas are unpatriotic, and the people carrying them should be shot. Period.. How are you going to use a symbol of hate to a protest like that? That is way over the line and is disgusting. And if you agree with the signs then you should be ashamed..... Really ashamed..

Perhaps they feel Obama is being 'unpatriotic' and that some of his choices are more for 'socialism'...hence I can see where they would 'compare' him to Hitler....especially with his attitude of, "I won, I trump"....

FTR I wish everyone would spell their signs correctly, I think it distracts from the 'message' and discredits the person carrying the sign.....

The race thing on the signs....again, not relevant and just does the 'protester' and the 'agenda' a disservice.....

But there is (for now) still freedom of speech......;)

[ElleGee]

Perhaps they feel Obama is being 'unpatriotic' and that some of his choices are more for 'socialism'...hence I can see where they would 'compare' him to Hitler....especially with his attitude of, "I won, I trump"....

FTR I wish everyone would spell their signs correctly, I think it distracts from the 'message' and discredits the person carrying the sign.....

The race thing on the signs....again, not relevant and just does the 'protester' and the 'agenda' a disservice.....

But there is (for now) still freedom of speech......;)

If you have to resort to using Hitler or swasticas then you're point for protest has already been lost.. No SANE individual would use Hitler (of all people) and swasticas (of all symbols) to protest taxes with... It's ridiculous, tacky and just plain stupid.

[Jolie Rouge]

The problem is these "tea parties" don't even know what they are truly protesting. They have no common voice. Some are saying it's about taxes, some are saying it's about spending, some of the protestors are waving signs about guns. Some are saying it's about Obama, others are saying it's not about Obama. And some are just anti-government.


I think the same could be said about most of the protests that have been organised over the last eight years .... over the last thirty really.



I am all for protesting but......

I am sorry but the pics with Obama as Hitler and the swasticas are unpatriotic, and the people carrying them should be shot. Period.. How are you going to use a symbol of hate to a protest like that? That is way over the line and is disgusting. And if you agree with the signs then you should be ashamed..... Really ashamed..

Did you express the same distaste when the same signs depicted Bush ?

[pepperpot]

If you have to resort to using Hitler or swasticas then you're point for protest has already been lost.. No SANE individual would use Hitler (of all people) and swasticas (of all symbols) to protest taxes with... It's ridiculous, tacky and just plain stupid.

Perhaps they are that upset as to the way they feel the country is moving.....:agree...and such a perverse figure is what they fear is happening...

And you are entitled to your opinion, a great freedom/perk of being an American, huh? Let's hope it stays that way....;)...that wasn't the case in Nazi Germany....:headshake

[YNKYH8R]

Why is it rude? Does the truth hurt?We saw the same thing during Bush's presidency......

[ElleGee]

Did you express the same distaste when the same signs depicted Bush ?

Absoeffinloutely

[ElleGee]

Perhaps they are that upset as to the way they feel the country is moving.....:agree...and such a perverse figure is what they fear is happening...

And you are entitled to your opinion, a great freedom/perk of being an American, huh? Let's hope it stays that way....;)...that wasn't the case in Nazi Germany....:headshake

I know what happened in Nazi Germany thank you very much.. My dh lost many a family member to that regime...

I don't care how upset they are over where the country is going.. If you HAVE to resort to using that type of shiz then your point is moot and makes the GOP look like crap.. Period

[Jolie Rouge]

By the way YNKYH8R what is your signature supposed to be.
It really makes me personally think you are showing disrespect for someone and it doesn't really help your credibility if you know what I mean.


I'm not responding to this comment as it refers to other people's disrespect for me from other boards.

Oh....wait...you already knew that....lol!

So ... your signature here which is the word "armpit' and :thefinger: x2 is to "protest" how you feel that other people at another forum have "disrespected you" ?? :confused: :confused:

[Jolie Rouge]

“Sandbagging” the Tea Parties
April 18, 2009.
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/18/sandbagging-the-tea-parties/

One of the themes I have been addressing with great regularity almost since the moment I started blogging is how all too many on the left seek to insult and otherwise strive to discredit conservatives rather than engage them on the level of ideas. Indeed, this is something I have witnessed since my undergraduate days when I regularly defended the Gipper.

I always found it such a delight (perhaps because it seemed all too infrequent) when someone on the left would recognize the sincerity of my support for that good man–even when they disagreed with my ideas or his policies.

Well, it would be nice if we could see more people the left –and in the mainstream media–who would show similar respect for the sincerity of this past week’s “Tea Party” protesters. With as many as a half-million people protesting against bigger government (over one million if you count the way Democrats do), this represents a pretty significant movement, especially given that most rallies were held in the afternoon on a weekday when many who would otherwise attend them had to work (at least four of my readers contacted me personally to say they wished they could attend, but they couldn’t get off work).

Instead of acknowledging the significance of this growing grassroots phenomenon, all too many on the left, including at least one who calls himself conservative, prefer to mock the protests with sexual references rather than consider the sincerity of the protests. I mean, c’mon, doesn’t it even occur to them as they wonder why we weren’t doing this during the Bush era that one reason the Republicans lost –and the Democrats won–last fall was because people rejected their spendthrift ways. They were hoping for change. And yet the change we got was more of the same, only on steroids.

No wonder people are upset.

What drove many Republican, Republican-leaning independents and libertarians to vote for Obama last fall, and what kept many fiscal conservatives home on election day is the exact same thing which spurred hundreds of thousands of people across the nation to take to the streets last Wednesday–concern about an ever-expanding federal government

Over at Powerline, Scott Johnson details (with a great variety of links) how “journalists” at MSNBC and CNN as well as an agitated blogger “used the rallies as an occasion for childish sexual innuendoes“:


There is not only something funny going on here, there is a story here. These supposed journalists and their networks (or publisher, in Sullivan’s case) have rather seriously insulted the citizens who colorfully took to the streets to air respectable views in a most civil fashion. If they had any decency, Cooper et al. would apologize for their vile reference to sexual practices in the context of ordinary citizens exercising their First Amendment rights.

Well, it’s just another example of those on the left seeking to discredit conservative ideas. Back in the 1960s and 1970s, the counterparts of these juvenile “journalists” sought to dismiss the conservative movement. They were thus unprepared for the advent of the most successful president of the second half of the twentieth century.

We may not see Ronald Reagan’s like again, but his ideas endure. The more the media dismisses those who espouse them, the stronger we will become.

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Another Republican booed by Tea Party protesters
April 18, 2009 08:51 AM [/i]

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/18/another-republican-booed-by-tea-party-protesters/

I reported in my column this week the news the Tea Party-bashing MSM doesn’t want to report: Republicans who supported the bailouts, the stimulus, and tax increases are in just as much hot water as Democrats. I told you that California GOP chairman Ron Nehring and GOP Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger were booed in Sacramento and GOP Gov. Jon Huntsman was booed in Utah.

Now, see this.

At the Greenville SC Tea Party last night, via Palmetto Scoop, an estimated 3,000 people booed and heckled GOP Rep. Gresham Barrett, who supported both the trillion-dollar TARP and now supports the trillion-dollar porkulus package. The crowd blew air horns as he tried to speak. Do you think the politicians are getting the message yet?

And do you think someone in the MSM might grow up, stop wallowing in sexual teabagging jokes, and report these newsworthy developments? The anger at reckless spenders in Washington is palpable, deep-seated, bipartisan, nationwide, and not going away


From reader Michelle C.:

Hey Michelle,

I’m a big fan of your site. I noticed that your article about the Greenville tea party states that there were 3000 people there. I live in Greenville, and last night on the 6:00 news, when the party had just begun, WYFF stated that the crowd was around 5000 people. On the 11:00 news, WYFF stated that the police count was around 10,000 people for the tea party. I thought you might enjoy hearing how large the crowd really was.

Also, here’s the funny thing– the state Democratic Party decided to hold a “Save Our Schools” rally at the same time (6:00 - 7:30) on the OTHER SIDE of the Bi-lo Center. The rally was to protest Mark Sanford for not taking the stimulus money for schools. According to WYFF 11:00 news, around 100 people showed up. According to the Democratic Party, around 200 people showed up (see Greenvilleonline.com).

The stark contrast in crowds, when shown on TV last night, was hilarious.


California Tea Party to California GOP: Smackdown
April 15, 2009 05:18 PM

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/15/california-tea-party-to-california-gop-smackdown/

Something hugely significant just happened here at the Sacramento Tea Party. Organizer Mark Meckler singled out GOP opportunists who wouldn’t give him the time of day weeks ago — and then wanted to hitch their wagons to the Tea Party bandwagon at the last minute.

Meckler said he heard that California GOP chair Ron Nehring was in the audience. Meckler invited him to say hi to the crowd — and then ripped him for waffling on the massive tax hike ballot measures (particularly Prop1A - $16 billion tax hikes).

Massive boos from the crowd of thousands here against the Calif. GOP establishment.

Will this make the MSM coverage? It doesn’t fit the narrative. But it’s yet another demonstration that this movement is not partisan and equal opportunity when it comes to holding politicians’ feet to the fire for fiscal irresponsibility and fecklessness.

[SurferGirl]

These tea party protests are about many things that people are angry about and the references to Hitler was possibly inspired by the fact that Obama went to a church for 20 years that hated America and hated white people and taught hatred and racism. I think that might give people that impression of Obama.

Then the fact that Obama's friendship with an unrepentant terrorist William Ayers would make people very suspicious of Obama.

Then the fact that many of the people Obama has nominated for appointments in his cabinet have very radical views and also I think they have all cheated on their taxes.

Add to that the radical view that Obama has on abortion, including infanticide and that might give the impression he is a future Hitler.

Then think about the way some people were marching to some of the songs during the campaign and many people really do feel there is something to fear from Obama.

[freeby4me]

These tea party protests are about many things that people are angry about and the references to Hitler was possibly inspired by the fact that Obama went to a church for 20 years that hated America and hated white people and taught hatred and racism. I think that might give people that impression of Obama.

Then the fact that Obama's friendship with an unrepentant terrorist William Ayers would make people very suspicious of Obama.

Then the fact that many of the people Obama has nominated for appointments in his cabinet have very radical views and also I think they have all cheated on their taxes.

Add to that the radical view that Obama has on abortion, including infanticide and that might give the impression he is a future Hitler.

Then think about the way some people were marching to some of the songs during the campaign and many people really do feel there is something to fear from Obama.

Not nearly as much as we have to fear from people like you.

[ElleGee]

Add to that the radical view that Obama has on abortion, including infanticide and that might give the impression he is a future Hitler.

Then think about the way some people were marching to some of the songs during the campaign and many people really do feel there is something to fear from Obama.

Yeah why am I not surprised by your response.......

You also just proved my point thanks!

[YNKYH8R]

So ... your signature here which is the word "armpit' and :thefinger: x2 is to "protest" how you feel that other people at another forum have "disrespected you" ?? :confused: :confused:

Not a protest...more of a "I can just as equally disrespect you here as you did me there."

[hesnothere]

Not nearly as much as we have to fear from people like you.

Maybe it’s a brain disorder. Or maybe it’s the end product of having grown up surrounded by narrow minded people. Maybe that’s what narrow-minded means. A thick skull restricting blood-flow to a mind narrowly crammed into a space to tight for expansion.

Or maybe that pain in the gut that creates fear in the mind that leads to hate, is as misunderstood as it is unrecognized. Fear of the “other” is translated into fear of Obama being right, and succeeding. Because if Obama is right and he does succeed, the narrow, prejudiced mind will have no reality to anchor their fear and hate on!

[pepperpot]

Koolaid anyone? Ooops, sorry, I see many have already partaken.......:rolleyes:

Wake up and smell the socialism coming.......I don't shoot the messenger I shoot the message.......

[ElleGee]

We used to use the kool aid phrase in high school... ahhh memories :)

[pepperpot]

In all seriousness, do you (anyone) really think that the citizens of Germany really knew before hand what was to come when Hitler was trying to come into power? Make his 'changes' within the government and policies?

Even once he came into power....some gave him a 'chance'.....then found out it was too late, not what they 'signed on' for.....the damage was done. Many people here gave Obama a chance and are not liking what they are seeing....

[pepperpot]

We used to use the kool aid phrase in high school... ahhh memories :)

Yeah...and we used 'brain disorder' phrases in grammar school....;)

[SurferGirl]

Maybe it’s a brain disorder. Or maybe it’s the end product of having grown up surrounded by narrow minded people. Maybe that’s what narrow-minded means. A thick skull restricting blood-flow to a mind narrowly crammed into a space to tight for expansion.

Or maybe that pain in the gut that creates fear in the mind that leads to hate, is as misunderstood as it is unrecognized. Fear of the “other” is translated into fear of Obama being right, and succeeding. Because if Obama is right and he does succeed, the narrow, prejudiced mind will have no reality to anchor their fear and hate on!

Perhaps you are the one that is narrow minded.
I'm getting really tired of these personal attacks, they get really old after awhile.
I'm expressing my first amendments rights and how I feel about the situation.

[ElleGee]

Obama is not trying to get rid of an entire race of people.. I cannot believe you're standing up for a symbol of hatred and genocide. REAL genocide. Not this shiz that 'possibly could happen' or whatever the imagination can come up with..or even trying to explain or make it "OK' to use it.

Seriously.. It's disgusting..

I am so done with this thread.. I am getting effing ill from it..

[SurferGirl]

No one is standing up for genocide or hatred.
I personally am very much against it.

[pepperpot]

Obama is not trying to get rid of an entire race of people.. I cannot believe you're standing up for a symbol of hatred and genocide. REAL genocide. Not this shiz that 'possibly could happen' or whatever the imagination can come up with..or even trying to explain or make it "OK' to use it.

Seriously.. It's disgusting..

I am so done with this thread.. I am getting effing ill from it..

It's the strong arm rule......the propoganda.......Hitler is a vile symbol :agree

Is it a bit 'over the top'? Perhaps, but it got your attention....and there are similarities, not with everything, but never-the-less, there are....:agree

Never forget.......some do not want even the slightest similarity ....

[YNKYH8R]

In all seriousness, do you (anyone) really think that the citizens of Germany really knew before hand what was to come when Hitler was trying to come into power? Make his 'changes' within the government and policies?

Even once he came into power....some gave him a 'chance'.....then found out it was too late, not what they 'signed on' for.....the damage was done. Many people here gave Obama a chance and are not liking what they are seeing....I've not really 'seen' anything. I stopped watching the news after the election.

[pepperpot]

I've not really 'seen' anything. I stopped watching the news after the election.

The news media, as I'm sure you know, is not without bias.

[ahippiechic]

Perhaps you are the one that is narrow minded.
I'm getting really tired of these personal attacks, they get really old after awhile.
I'm expressing my first amendments rights and how I feel about the situation.

I didn't see any personal attacks. Please report them to a moderator and if we deem it necessary, we will edit them.

[gmyers]

I can't believe people think all those people that came out for the tea parties are racist or narrow minded. They don't like what is beiing done in Washington. I for one am glad they have the courage to protest whats going on. Obama is constantly giving speeches. Why hasn't he given one and addressed the issues the tea party people are concerned about. Its funny how he and some of the media just want to sweep it under the rug and then it'll go away. But I believe theres going to be a lot more unrest in this country till people get answers for whats concerning them. Its not just going to go away.

[galeane29]

http://davidschwartz.com/blog/wp-content/popcorn_100000.jpg (http://davidschwartz.com/blog/wp-content/popcorn_100000.jpg)

[pepperpot]

I can't believe people think all those people that came out for the tea parties are racist or narrow minded. They don't like what is beiing done in Washington. I for one am glad they have the courage to protest whats going on. Obama is constantly giving speeches. Why hasn't he given one and addressed the issues the tea party people are concerned about. Its funny how he and some of the media just want to sweep it under the rug and then it'll go away. But I believe theres going to be a lot more unrest in this country till people get answers for whats concerning them. Its not just going to go away.

And not everyone who voted for Obama was on Koolaid.......I think some honestly looked at one aspect (or so) and voted upon that.....I think some wanted 'change' so badly they took the first thing that came along and not reading between the lines and looking at the total picture.

And now, 'we' are so polarized and 'they' are so blindly defensive......let the 'guard down' and really look at what's being done. Don't defend the 'man' blindly, look at the validity, practicality and motives of the 'changes' being made......I don't think it's all "Obama", I think there is a lot behind him.....and I'm not talking 'support', I'm talking about other's agendas....:agree

[SurferGirl]

I didn't see any personal attacks. Please report them to a moderator and if we deem it necessary, we will edit them.


I do consider comments like these to be personal attacks.

This was posted by freeby
Not nearly as much as we have to fear from people like you.

This was posted by Ellegee
Yeah why am I not surprised by your response.......

You also just proved my point thanks!
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This was posted by hesnothere
Maybe it’s a brain disorder. Or maybe it’s the end product of having grown up surrounded by narrow minded people. Maybe that’s what narrow-minded means. A thick skull restricting blood-flow to a mind narrowly crammed into a space to tight for expansion.

Or maybe that pain in the gut that creates fear in the mind that leads to hate, is as misunderstood as it is unrecognized. Fear of the “other” is translated into fear of Obama being right, and succeeding. Because if Obama is right and he does succeed, the narrow, prejudiced mind will have no reality to anchor their fear and hate on!

[YNKYH8R]

The news media, as I'm sure you know, is not without bias.

I got tired of the 24 hour news coverage. It's just the same old sensationalized crap. Both sides are biased...people are going to watch whatever news program that will back up their point of view. CNN, FOX, MSNBC it's all the same.

[tngirl]

We saw the same thing during Bush's presidency......
I agrere with you. I supported Bush the first time around, but he lost my support a bit into his second term. The reason he lost my support are the reason that I do not support Obama.

[YNKYH8R]

I do consider comments like these to be personal attacks.

This was posted by freeby
Not nearly as much as we have to fear from people like you.

This was posted by Ellegee
Yeah why am I not surprised by your response.......

You also just proved my point thanks!
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This was posted by hesnothere
Maybe it’s a brain disorder. Or maybe it’s the end product of having grown up surrounded by narrow minded people. Maybe that’s what narrow-minded means. A thick skull restricting blood-flow to a mind narrowly crammed into a space to tight for expansion.

Or maybe that pain in the gut that creates fear in the mind that leads to hate, is as misunderstood as it is unrecognized. Fear of the “other” is translated into fear of Obama being right, and succeeding. Because if Obama is right and he does succeed, the narrow, prejudiced mind will have no reality to anchor their fear and hate on!

I wouldn't call them attacks. I'd say they're inflamitory responses directed at you.

At attack would be if I said "you're an f'n moron."
Or....."did you mother have any children that lived?"
Which actually insults you and your mother....but those are just examples.

[YNKYH8R]

I agrere with you. I supported Bush the first time around, but he lost my support a bit into his second term. The reason he lost my support are the reason that I do not support Obama.Exactly, no matter who's in office a group is going to feel outrage and is going to respond as we've seen.

[tngirl]

I am far from being narrowminded. I just tell things the way I see them, when does that make me narrowminded? And I did not grow up around Republicans, thank you very much, the opposite actually. The thing is, back when I was growing up the Democratic party was a lot different and had very different goals back then. Now they have just want to give everything to everyone....nope, not everyone....just those that are too freaking lazy to work to get ahead in this world.

I ask for nothing that I have not earned. Yep, I got a check and foodstamps back when my kids were younger for a short period of time, but you know what? I had worked since I was around 14 yrs old and paid taxes.

[freeby4me]

I do consider comments like these to be personal attacks.

This was posted by freeby
Not nearly as much as we have to fear from people like you.

This was posted by Ellegee
Yeah why am I not surprised by your response.......

You also just proved my point thanks!
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This was posted by hesnothere
Maybe it’s a brain disorder. Or maybe it’s the end product of having grown up surrounded by narrow minded people. Maybe that’s what narrow-minded means. A thick skull restricting blood-flow to a mind narrowly crammed into a space to tight for expansion.

Or maybe that pain in the gut that creates fear in the mind that leads to hate, is as misunderstood as it is unrecognized. Fear of the “other” is translated into fear of Obama being right, and succeeding. Because if Obama is right and he does succeed, the narrow, prejudiced mind will have no reality to anchor their fear and hate on!

Yea, and the crap you spew could be considered personal attacks and trying to bait someone into a back and forth but you dont see my whining and pouting about it do you.

[freeby4me]

I can't believe people think all those people that came out for the tea parties are racist or narrow minded. They don't like what is beiing done in Washington. I for one am glad they have the courage to protest whats going on. Obama is constantly giving speeches. Why hasn't he given one and addressed the issues the tea party people are concerned about. Its funny how he and some of the media just want to sweep it under the rug and then it'll go away. But I believe theres going to be a lot more unrest in this country till people get answers for whats concerning them. Its not just going to go away.

Yea, and when we the liberals had something to say about the war we were "unpatriotic" and "we didnt give a sh!t about our militairy men and women".

Oh, and Bush NEVER addressed what the Liberals were talking/complaining about so dont start complaining that "our guy" is doing the same to you.
What goes around comes around.

[gmyers]

Well every time I turn the tv on Obama is giving a speech yet he's been quite during the tea parties. He's too busy trying to make friends with cuba and chavez and other coutries to see or care about whats happening in this country. If he believes chavez or those other countries leaders really want to be his friend then he's being a tad naive. At least Bush had enough sense to know when he was being played by them. I wish Obama did.

[candygirl]

I do consider comments like these to be personal attacks.

This was posted by freeby
Not nearly as much as we have to fear from people like you.

This was posted by Ellegee
Yeah why am I not surprised by your response.......

You also just proved my point thanks!
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This was posted by hesnothere
Maybe it’s a brain disorder. Or maybe it’s the end product of having grown up surrounded by narrow minded people. Maybe that’s what narrow-minded means. A thick skull restricting blood-flow to a mind narrowly crammed into a space to tight for expansion.

Or maybe that pain in the gut that creates fear in the mind that leads to hate, is as misunderstood as it is unrecognized. Fear of the “other” is translated into fear of Obama being right, and succeeding. Because if Obama is right and he does succeed, the narrow, prejudiced mind will have no reality to anchor their fear and hate on!
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"If you can't take the heat ,stay out the kitchen " :dancing:

[pepperpot]

Well every time I turn the tv on Obama is giving a speech yet he's been quite during the tea parties. He's too busy trying to make friends with cuba and chavez and other coutries to see or care about whats happening in this country. If he believes chavez or those other countries leaders really want to be his friend then he's being a tad naive. At least Bush had enough sense to know when he was being played by them. I wish Obama did.

That would fall under..."experience".....

I said it from the beginning, if the choice were him to be 'vice', maybe, but not at the helm......:headshake

[SurferGirl]

Well I guess those that have to find fault with the tea parties do it because they can't figure out any way to defend Obama and Pelosi and Reid. The axis of taxes. We know that all this spending now will result in more taxes down the road. They might be hidden taxes like on cigarettes and utilities and fuel but there will be higher taxes. Also have you ever thought of how much less your money will be worth with them printing money as fast as the printing presses will go.

[SurferGirl]

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"If you can't take the heat ,stay out the kitchen " :dancing:

I stand up for what I believe, some others just go on the attack.

[ElleGee]

Well I guess those that have to find fault with the tea parties do it because they can't figure out any way to defend Obama and Pelosi and Reid.

No if you read a damned thing I typed I was offended about the Hitler/swastica shiz that the tea party(ies) brought. I don't give a care a bout the protesting, just the 'ammo' used... There IS fault using Hitler no matter what party you are..Period!

[pepperpot]

I don't care how upset they are over where the country is going.. If you HAVE to resort to using that type of shiz then your point is moot and makes the GOP look like crap.. Period

See, I look at the sign a particular person is holding to be their opinion....not necessarily that of their "party's"......

If there was a poster that said, "Vote for Obama because he's black"....should I hold that sentiment against the Democratic Party or the hideous person holding the sign......?

Granted, it does reflect upon the party's members, especially the one holding the sign :agree, but I wouldn't say it's 'endorsed' by that party....


The Tea Parties, while perhaps were composed of many Republicans (since it is a Democrat in office) ...it wasn't a "Republican" function....for me it was citizens of the United States stating their opinions of dissatisfaction with the way things are being handled....I don't care who they voted for, are registered as or started out supporting, they are now not happy with the powers that be and their behavior. Washington should take note.

So no, I don't see the 'tea parties' as a reflection of a particular political party just a reflection of disgruntled Americans.....

[gmyers]

If a few people used hitler or swastikas that doesn't mean everybody felt the way they did. But I agree I would have asked them to use a different sign.

[pepperpot]

No if you read a damned thing I typed I was offended about the Hitler/swastica shiz that the tea party(ies) brought. I don't give a care a bout the protesting, just the 'ammo' used... There IS fault using Hitler no matter what party you are..Period!

And it is very volitile ammo.....

No one is trying to hurt the victims further, they are trying to prevent anything however minutely similar from every happening again.....he did many bad things.....socialism is a slippery slope....dictatorship is a slippery slope.....some see many pre-Hitler similarities as he was coming into power....that tactics,....the propoganda...the brainwashing of the youth.......the suppression.....the diversion.....the controlling of media........etc....should they 'shut up'?...or should they say...."hey, this looks familiar"....?


I know this is a very sensitive topic for you....but put it into perspective....

[candygirl]

I stand up for what I believe, some others just go on the attack.



I "also " stand up for what I believe, but I don't feel offended or attacked when others don't agree with me .

" We Can Agree To Disagree " :dancing:

[ilovecats]

I stand up for what I believe, some others just go on the attack.

How many times have us so-called liberals been told that we are wrong and stupid for not being republicans?How many times have we heard that "in our eyes" all republicans are racist?Are those not personal attacks?For the record no-one thinks you are racist against black people but you have made it well known that you are racist against Muslims.You have also made clear the fact that you think Obama is a Muslim who is going to take away our freedom.Not at all racist?

[SurferGirl]

It just seems rather strange that most of the people that are for Obama don't seem to have reasons to defend him. Instead of calling people things like narrow minded or hateful or racist if you can't find things that you really like about Obama it is possible that you might be racist and only voted for him because of his race.

I realize that many people in this country think it would be better if it was socialized but look at the countries in Europe that are already socialized and see how well it's working for them.

[SurferGirl]

How many times have us so-called liberals been told that we are wrong and stupid for not being republicans?How many times have we heard that "in our eyes" all republicans are racist?Are those not personal attacks?For the record no-one thinks you are racist against black people but you have made it well known that you are racist against Muslims.You have also made clear the fact that you think Obama is a Muslim who is going to take away our freedom.Not at all racist?

Actually I feel sorry for the women in the Muslim culture and it is the culture that I'm against and the radicals, not the regular people. But I do think that most of them must agree and that is why they don't stand up to it. Also there are clerics even in this country that are pushing the radical form of Islam. I have explained one of the main things I have against the Muslim culture is the way they treat women and I think most women here will agree with how I feel about it.

[ilovecats]

Actually I feel sorry for the women in the Muslim culture and it is the culture that I'm against and the radicals, not the regular people. But I do think that most of them must agree and that is why they don't stand up to it. Also there are clerics even in this country that are pushing the radical form of Islam. I have explained one of the main things I have against the Muslim culture is the way they treat women and I think most women here will agree with how I feel about it.

Not at all what I was talking about,and I think you know that.

[Jolie Rouge]

I "also " stand up for what I believe, but I don't feel offended or attacked when others don't agree with me .

" We Can Agree To Disagree "

But understand that when you disagree with me, I will call you names, make outrageous declarations and then be all surprised/shocked/offended when you don't like it and still continue to disagree with me.... :dancing: :dancing:

[Bahet]

I am just dying laughing at the hypocrisy. When liberals protested Bush and the war we were told "THis is America. If you don't like it get out." We were called traitors and some even said we should be prosecuted for treason.

Fast forward a few years. Now who's doing the protesting? Funny though, I don't hear anyone saying "If you don't like the country get out." or suggesting you should are traitors.

The Daily Show had an absolutely hilarious bit the other day about how the tables have flipped. It was the show with Ben Afleck. http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=224275&title=nationwide-tax-protests&byDate=true The whole thing is hilarious but the true hypocrisy is pointed out starting at about 4:52 into the clip. Pay attention to the dates on the news clips.

[mikej]

Rasmussen is always an outlier. They always oversample Republicans.

[YNKYH8R]

I am just dying laughing at the hypocrisy. When liberals protested Bush and the war we were told "THis is America. If you don't like it get out." We were called traitors and some even said we should be prosecuted for treason.

Fast forward a few years. Now who's doing the protesting? Funny though, I don't hear anyone saying "If you don't like the country get out." or suggesting you should are traitors.

The Daily Show had an absolutely hilarious bit the other day about how the tables have flipped. It was the show with Ben Afleck. http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=224275&title=nationwide-tax-protests&byDate=true The whole thing is hilarious but the true hypocrisy is pointed out starting at about 4:52 into the clip. Pay attention to the dates on the news clips.BRAVO! Truely awesome. Now, I don't watch the daily show, but that was great. Cause it's true. Everythign about the left that the right hated they've become.:2in1:

FOX, CNN, and all those channels are stuck in the middle. It's like I said people will seek out news that bolsters their views and agendas.

Just the reason I don't watch the news anymore. There's little to no point anymore. This large segment of our population (not the majority) are the cancer that exists in our society. So quick to call or be called facist and yet is angry when the finger is put on them.:slap

[gmyers]

At least the tea party people have the guts to let this government know they're not going to be led like sheep while the government keeps getting us deeper in debt. I still say we'll see what happens at the next ones. I applaud them and what they're doing and I hope they get their message across.

[tngirl]

This video is for those of you that believe that the TEA parties were a Republican thing.

video of a Republican Congressman speaking at a tea party who voted for TARP instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QsY2r7HbTM&feature=player_embedded

The TEA parties were NOT just about taxation. They were about the spending that is requiring the new taxation. They were about the lies told to us by ALL politicians, present and past administration. They were about our Constitutional Rights that are being taken away from us everyday. They were about our government taking on more and more socialistic policies (both present and past administration). They are about the "Change" that isn't what was expected by Obama supporters.

The TEA parties were NOT just a Republican thing, they were and are bipartisan. People from both sides are becoming more and more discouraged everyday as to how our government is ignoring the American people in every way imaginable.

[YNKYH8R]

At least the tea party people have the guts to let this government know they're not going to be led like sheep while the government keeps getting us deeper in debt. I still say we'll see what happens at the next ones. I applaud them and what they're doing and I hope they get their message across.I respect a persons right to march and demonstrate...however this 'event' cannot be a stand alone incident for there to be any difference made. Rather than criticize why not ask why some people didn't march?

I was working, plus I'm lazy. I have faith that something will come out of all this. America is too important on the global scale for everyone to allow it to fall.

[jeanea33]

I have faith that something will come out of all this. America is too important on the global scale for everyone to allow it to fall.



We are already failing. Our senate and president just spent EVERYONES children and grand childrens future. I don't care what party your from, if you screw up you need to go. People threaten AIG employees. They should have been demanding everyone in the senate that voted and didn't read the contracts they drew up to resign. Why don't they live by the same rules we do? If we screw up big time, we would be fired.

[SurferGirl]

We are already failing. Our senate and president just spent EVERYONES children and grand childrens future. I don't care what party your from, if you screw up you need to go. People threaten AIG employees. They should have been demanding everyone in the senate that voted and didn't read the contracts they drew up to resign. Why don't they live by the same rules we do? If we screw up big time, we would be fired.

I agree with this completely and would add that the congress should be booted out as well, especiall people like Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank and Maxine Waters.

[SurferGirl]

I find it very disheartening that there are still people out there that form there political opinions based on the comedy channel and Saturday Night Live. There are others that fail to realize that many of the comments made by the left wing media are distorted and some of the interviews were set up.
We need people to realize what this country has stood for in the past and why our country was considered the best in the world. I have learned that the left wing media has gone as far as lying and distorting the truth and some are far worse than others. I personally trust Fox News because they try to be fair and unbiased.

[ahippiechic]

Fox news leans to the right just as much as some of the other lean to the left.

[earl1655]

In never never land, there is a site where the American People can review all the bills he signs and comment on them for 5 days.

Maybe BHO is going to send Peter Pan to show us where that is.

Love how you all still like to mention in your registered user box about President Obama and the telepromptor..

But one thing you failed to mention in your sad attemp from the fox/republican talking points..

Unlike the last man in the oval office,this president writes his own speeches.
So,if he needs to read his own writing because he needs to be reminded of anything he wants to say when he is making his speech,then it ok...After all,he wrote it!!

Its refreshing to see,hear,and know that we have upgraded the statue of one who sits in that seat in washington d.c. tremendously in november of 2008..
THANKS PRESIDENT OBAMA...

[SurferGirl]

Earl I want to welcome you since I noticed this is your first post.
I really should let you know that Obama has had speech writers during the campaign and also has them now.

I wanted to respond to some of the previous post about some of the left wings comments on the tea parties.
This is a very good link that will explain that CNN even wants to distance themselves from this one reporter of theirs.

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2009/04/cnn-claims-copyright-on-video-not.html

[Bahet]

If people are upset about the spending going on now, why weren't they upset about the spending going on under Bush? Do you really think he was fiscally responsible??? If so, there's no real point arguing with you. You are deluded beyond hope.

I understand the tea parties. It's not about raising taxes on the rich. It's about fiscal irresponsibility. It's been brewing for a long time now. It started with the war protesters and has grown from there to encompass people who are ticked that they are struggling to make ends meet while their money is going to give AIG millionaires even more money. People are sick of being made poorer and poorer, of having their schools budgets cut, of having their police budgets cut, etc all so that their money can go to complete a bridge to nowhere in Alaska, fund a war against a country that never attacked us and didn't pose any real threat, fund pet projects for millionaires trying to appease their millionaire contributors, and pay bonuses for other rich people who are getting bonuses for bankrupting their company because they've been taking such huge bonuses for so long.

That's what the tea parties are about. The American people are fed up and frustrated that their lives are getting worse because big business and government - both parties - are too busy focusing on getting money for their pet projects and their rich friends. The tea parties are not partisan. Sure, some idiots out there think they are. Just as some think they are about morals, religion, and/or racism.

[ElleGee]

Didn't we have a surplus before Bush was in office?

[SurferGirl]

People are also very angry because our congress is on a big spending spree and many in congress are responsible for this whole mess. People want to take their country back. We want to boot out those that are irresponsible and get people in that will listen to us.

Some of your information is not accurate. For one thing the bridge to nowhere in Alaska was stopped. You might want to try Fox News and get up to date because the comedy channel and Saturday Night Live doesn't always have everything right.

[ElleGee]

Some of your information is not accurate. For one thing the bridge to nowhere in Alaska was stopped.

Yeah and she kept the money... So doesn't that technically mean she is a thief?

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901

By Yereth Rosen

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) - It garnered big applause in her first speech as Republican John McCain's vice presidential pick, but Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's assertion that she rejected Congressional funds for the so-called "bridge to nowhere" has upset many Alaskans.

During her first speech after being named as McCain's surprise pick as a running mate, Palin said she had told Congress "'thanks but no thanks' on that bridge to nowhere."

In the city Ketchikan, the planned site of the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere," political leaders of both parties said the claim was false and a betrayal of their community, because she had supported the bridge and the earmark for it secured by Alaska's Congressional delegation during her run for governor.

The bridge, a span from the city to Gravina Island, home to only a few dozen people, secured a $223 million earmark in 2005. The pricey designation raised a furor and critics, including McCain, used the bridge as an example of wasteful federal spending on politicians' pet projects.

When she was running for governor in 2006, Palin said she was insulted by the term "bridge to nowhere," according to Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein, a Democrat, and Mike Elerding, a Republican who was Palin's campaign coordinator in the southeast Alaska city.

"People are learning that she pandered to us by saying, I'm for this' ... and then when she found it was politically advantageous for her nationally, abruptly she starts using the very term that she said was insulting," Weinstein said.

Palin's spokeswoman in Alaska was not immediately available to comment.

National fury over the bridge caused Congress to remove the earmark designation, but Alaska was still granted an equivalent amount of transportation money to be used at its own discretion.

Last year, Palin announced she was stopping state work on the controversial project, earning her admirers from earmark critics and budget hawks from around the nation. The move also thrust her into the spotlight as a reform-minded newcomer.

The state, however, never gave back any of the money that was originally earmarked for the Gravina Island bridge, said Weinstein and Elerding.

In fact, the Palin administration has spent "tens of millions of dollars" in federal funds to start building a road on Gravina Island that is supposed to link up to the yet-to-be-built bridge, Weinstein said.

"She said 'thanks but no thanks,' but they kept the money," said Elerding about her applause line.

Former state House Speaker Gail Phillips, a Republican who represented the Kenai Peninsula city of Homer, is also critical about Palin's reversal on the bridge issue.

"You don't tell a group of Alaskans you support something and then go to someplace else and say you oppose it," said Phillips, who supported Palin's opponent, Democrat Tony Knowles, in the 2006 gubernatorial race.

A press release issued by the governor on September 21, 2007 said she decided to cancel state work on the project because of rising cost estimates. Continued...

[Bahet]

People are also very angry because our congress is on a big spending spree and many in congress are responsible for this whole mess. People want to take their country back. We want to boot out those that are irresponsible and get people in that will listen to us.

Some of your information is not accurate. For one thing the bridge to nowhere in Alaska was stopped. You might want to try Fox News and get up to date because the comedy channel and Saturday Night Live doesn't always have everything right.

Hon, please read. I never said anything about Saturday Night Live. I haven't watched it since college. I posted the snippit from the Daily Show, as stated, because it was FUNNY. If you think that means I get my news from the Comedy Channel you are seriously mistaken. Please show where I even suggested that it was anything beyond a humorous look at how the tables have turned.

The bridge to nowhere was stopped in 2006. It's now a common example of extreme pork projects. When people say "funding bridge to nowhere projects" they aren't necessarily talking about that specific bridge. It's become a metaphore for all pork spending. I suppose I should have been clearer that I didn't mean that specific bridge but was referring to all pork projects. Rereading my post I can see where you could have taken me literally.

[jeanea33]

If people are upset about the spending going on now, why weren't they upset about the spending going on under Bush?



I wasnt happy with what Bush did either. I think we should have let some if not most businesses fail. Not all of us upset about the goverment spending spree is only unhappy with current administration. I am more upset with our senate. I just want everyone to stop borrowing and spending. We now are paying a billion dollars a day to china for interest on what we borrowed. Think of the programs we could have with that money.

[earl1655]

Earl I want to welcome you since I noticed this is your first post.
I really should let you know that Obama has had speech writers during the campaign and also has them now.

I wanted to respond to some of the previous post about some of the left wings comments on the tea parties.
This is a very good link that will explain that CNN even wants to distance themselves from this one reporter of theirs.

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2009/04/cnn-claims-copyright-on-video-not.html


yes this is my 1st post,and i do appreciate the opportunity to post on here..
having said that,i did click on your link,and im not one to believe anything coming from a right wing blog..
and i don't believe everything from A left wing blog either..
i do my own research,And i did see the cnn clip and yes,u could tell she is one who is frustrated by the clueless ideas of those who were involved..

most,if not all of the people who did participate in the tea party,are getting tax cuts..and they are singing that they don't want tax cuts,with the wrong choir..the choir of millionaires,sean hannity,rush,and others whom got tax cuts under gw bush..and now that their not getting one and they have to pay more taxes,they are brainwashing the dumb into going out into the streets,radioland,tvland,and just in general talking others and saying,they don't want a tax cut,while your fox friends got theirs and are upset that they won't be getting one under the new president..OH WELL...

but this cnn reporter was biased,but,i see bias all the time on fox..
ALL THE TIME...
so,where is the outrage about fox doing it??
People expect it,and its no secret they are a republican tool....

as for the speeches..
i go by the guy whom al sharpton had on his show in march who is a writer for president obama,and i forgot his name,and i will not quote Anyone anymore without a link,but,he is one of president obama speechwriters,and he said that all of the presidents major speeches are written by the president..

And he along with another speechwriter, only write short speeches if president obama requested it on outlining,the ceremony of a bill being signed by the president, government summits,press conferences,or major meetings,which is usually 2-4 paragraphs,if its that long.. and,he repeated that twice during the interview that this president writes his own speeches..

and,i would believe what he says more than anyone,for one fact is that this president was once the editor of the havard law review,and he knows his grammer,unlike me,and has an extensive vocabulary...

[YNKYH8R]

People are also very angry because our congress is on a big spending spree and many in congress are responsible for this whole mess. People want to take their country back. We want to boot out those that are irresponsible and get people in that will listen to us.

Some of your information is not accurate. For one thing the bridge to nowhere in Alaska was stopped. You might want to try Fox News and get up to date because the comedy channel and Saturday Night Live doesn't always have everything right.I thought John Stewarts comparrisons were spot on.

[YNKYH8R]

I have to ask, because a lot of people say 'we should restore America back to a time when it was great'.

When was that?

For the last 20+ years it seems that America hasn't been great. It seems that way because everyone talks about restoring America to greatness and always has always talked about restoring America to greatness. When was this greatness? When were we not saying this?

[anothersta]

Originally Posted by anothersta
In never never land, there is a site where the American People can review all the bills he signs and comment on them for 5 days.

Maybe BHO is going to send Peter Pan to show us where that is.

Love how you all still like to mention in your registered user box about President Obama and the telepromptor..

But one thing you failed to mention in your sad attemp from the fox/republican talking points..

Unlike the last man in the oval office,this president writes his own speeches.
So,if he needs to read his own writing because he needs to be reminded of anything he wants to say when he is making his speech,then it ok...After all,he wrote it!!

Its refreshing to see,hear,and know that we have upgraded the statue of one who sits in that seat in washington d.c. tremendously in november of 2008..
THANKS PRESIDENT OBAMA...


I've never heard Fox mention Peter Pan, don't really know what in the heck you are talking about. MY post, the one you quoted, said NOTHING about BHO's speeches.

Seems almost like you just wanted to respond to me in some silly manner that makes no sense. In light of that, I'd like to respond back.

My response: :eviltongue:

[SurferGirl]

I really did find it a bit odd that his first post mentioned something that was talked about quite a long time ago.

[SurferGirl]

I have to ask, because a lot of people say 'we should restore America back to a time when it was great'.

When was that?

For the last 20+ years it seems that America hasn't been great. It seems that way because everyone talks about restoring America to greatness and always has always talked about restoring America to greatness. When was this greatness? When were we not saying this?

Despite many of our faults we still are the best country in the world.
We have a constitution and a bill of rights and we do much more to help the rest of the world than any other country ever has.

I might not have liked much of what Bush did but he did his best to keep our country safe. I wonder why Bill Clinton didn't ever do much about Osama bin Laden. I guess he was too busy playing with Monica in the oval office.

Remember Bush had to deal with 9/11 and Katrina and 2 wars.
Bush also became aware of the problems with Fannie and Freddie but the democrats voted against more control over Fannie and Freddie. I'll look for a video on that hearing when I get a chance. The video has been posted before so I think you probably have already seen it.

[Bahet]

Bush had nothing for the 1st 9 months of his Presidency. He didn't use that time to go after OBL. Obviously he wasn't that important. He didn't even go after him after 9/11 so how could you fault Clinton since OBL wasn't important enough to bother with after 9/11. Or are we now blaming Clinton for not being psychic?

Bush didn't deal with Katrina. He sent Brown in, he screwed it up even worse, Bush congratulated him for it and Barbra Bush said that Katrina was a good thing for those people. He only dealt with 2 wars because he started one of them. The other, the one in Afghanistan, he only paid remote lip service to. He never cared about getting OBL. If he did we would have gotten him.

How exactly did Bush do his best to keep our country safe? By going after someone who didn't have the ability to attack us and ignoring the ones who did? If we are bombed by Canada I'm not going to feel safer if we retaliate by invading France.

[SurferGirl]

I only copied a small portion of the article
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134544,00.html

KHARTOUM, Sudan — When the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed on Aug. 7, 1998, U.S. retaliation aimed at Sudan and Al Qaeda (search) was swift.

"Our target was terror. Our mission was clear — to strike at the network of radical groups affiliated with and funded by Usama bin laden (search)," then President Bill Clinton said.

Within days of the embassy bombings, which killed more than 200 people and wounded another 4,000, Clinton authorized cruise missile strikes on the Al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum (search), Sudan's capital.

Sudan is again in the news, and again the story isn't positive for the Islamic fundamentalist government in Khartoum. The United States has characterized a crisis in Darfur (search) as "genocide" since 50,000 black Africans died following battles with the government-supported Janjaweed militia.

[SurferGirl]

I'll only copy a small part of the article

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/05/world/main4235028.shtml
U.S. Secretly Takes Yellowcake From Iraq
A Huge Stockpile Of Natural Uranium Arrives In Canada After Secret U.S. Operation
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NEW YORK, July 5, 2008 AP) The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program - a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" - the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment - was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.

What is now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles (19 kilometers) south of Baghdad - using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.

"Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

[Bahet]

And? The yellowcake was but one very small part of making a nuke and Saddam didn't even come close to having the parts or technology to complete it.

Oh, and the yellowcake that he did have he had because WE sold it to him prior to 1991. Iran has a FAR more extensive nuclear program - and did back in 2002 when we attacked Saddam. Ditto North Korea. So why didn't we attack them? Answer: Saddam wasn't in Iran or N Korea and Bush had a vendetta against Saddam. You can't say Saddam was more dangerous than the leaders of Iran or N Korea either. They don't get much more nutty than Kim Jong Il.

[justice250]

And? The yellowcake was but one very small part of making a nuke and Saddam didn't even come close to having the parts or technology to complete it.

Oh, and the yellowcake that he did have he had because WE sold it to him prior to 1991. Iran has a FAR more extensive nuclear program - and did back in 2002 when we attacked Saddam. Ditto North Korea. So why didn't we attack them? Answer: Saddam wasn't in Iran or N Korea and Bush had a vendetta against Saddam. You can't say Saddam was more dangerous than the leaders of Iran or N Korea either. They don't get much more nutty than Kim Jong Il.

Bush disarmed Saddam. If Saddam was left to continue to make weapons of mass destruction we sure would have had them unleashed on our country. And your savior Obama, has he caught Bin Laden yet? Hear anything about him even trying? Nope. He's too busy drinking tea with communist leaders.

[YNKYH8R]

Despite many of our faults we still are the best country in the world.
We have a constitution and a bill of rights and we do much more to help the rest of the world than any other country ever has.

I might not have liked much of what Bush did but he did his best to keep our country safe. I wonder why Bill Clinton didn't ever do much about Osama bin Laden. I guess he was too busy playing with Monica in the oval office.

Remember Bush had to deal with 9/11 and Katrina and 2 wars.
Bush also became aware of the problems with Fannie and Freddie but the democrats voted against more control over Fannie and Freddie. I'll look for a video on that hearing when I get a chance. The video has been posted before so I think you probably have already seen it.While it is nice that you took the time to write out a thought provoking repsponse; you did something that a lot of people on this board seem to do quite frequently...not answer the question or properly respond to the quoted post.

I don't see what you wrote has to do with anything I wrote.

[Bahet]

Bush disarmed Saddam. If Saddam was left to continue to make weapons of mass destruction we sure would have had them unleashed on our country. And your savior Obama, has he caught Bin Laden yet? Hear anything about him even trying? Nope. He's too busy drinking tea with communist leaders.

:rofl Hon, please know of what you speak before you make assumptions. I don't like Obama and didn't vote for him. He's hardly my saviour. He's also only been in office 4 months. In that time he has been focusing more on Afghanistan than Bush did though. As for the drinking tea with commies - would you rather we make more enemies throughout the world? Personally, I think Bush made more than enough.

Saddam was not left to make WMDs. He didn't have the ability to make WMDs that could even remotely come close to affecting us. He couldn't even attack Kuwait again let alone fly a nuke halfway around the globe. Kim Jong Il OTOH, can and has threatened to.

[gmyers]

I wonder if he and Iran really have the capability. As much as they hate America you'd think if they had nuclear weopons they would have used them by now. I think they may have the nuclear weopons but not the way to launch them that may be whats keeping them from using them. As for Saddam I imagine theres a lot of people in Iraq glad he's gone.

[Bahet]

They have them. But just because they have them, that doesn't mean they have the ability to send a missle halfway around the world. Developing nuclear weapons is a process. 1st you need to know what you are doing then you need to have the supplies. Even then, just because you have both doesn't mean it's something that can necessarily be accomplished. They aren't using them because no one is stupid enough to believe that they would survive should they even try it.




Nations that are known or believed to possess nuclear weapons are sometimes referred to as the nuclear club. There are currently nine states that have successfully detonated nuclear weapons. Five are considered to be "nuclear weapons states", an internationally recognized status conferred by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). In order of acquisition of nuclear weapons these are: the United States, Russia (successor state to the Soviet Union), the United Kingdom, France, and China.

Since the NPT entered into force in 1970, three states that were not parties to the Treaty have conducted nuclear tests, namely India, Pakistan, and North Korea. North Korea had been a party to the NPT but withdrew in 2003.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

North Korea rocket launch: First pictures of launch pad
Pictures of the site from which North Korea plans to launch a suspected rocket have emerged as Japan ordered its military to prepare to intercept any dangerous debris should the launch go wrong.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/5057928/North-Korea-rocket-launch-First-pictures-of-launch-pad.html

A November 2007 United States National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) judged that Iran halted an active nuclear weapons program in fall 2003 and that it remained halted as of mid-2007. The estimate further judged that US intelligence did not know whether Iran intended "to develop nuclear weapons," but that "Iran probably would be technically capable of producing enough HEU [highly enriched uranium] for a weapon sometime during the 2010-2015 time frame" if it chose to do so.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

[SurferGirl]

yes this is my 1st post,and i do appreciate the opportunity to post on here..
having said that,i did click on your link,and im not one to believe anything coming from a right wing blog..
and i don't believe everything from A left wing blog either..
i do my own research,And i did see the cnn clip and yes,u could tell she is one who is frustrated by the clueless ideas of those who were involved..

most,if not all of the people who did participate in the tea party,are getting tax cuts..and they are singing that they don't want tax cuts,with the wrong choir..the choir of millionaires,sean hannity,rush,and others whom got tax cuts under gw bush..and now that their not getting one and they have to pay more taxes,they are brainwashing the dumb into going out into the streets,radioland,tvland,and just in general talking others and saying,they don't want a tax cut,while your fox friends got theirs and are upset that they won't be getting one under the new president..OH WELL...

but this cnn reporter was biased,but,i see bias all the time on fox..
ALL THE TIME...
so,where is the outrage about fox doing it??
People expect it,and its no secret they are a republican tool....

as for the speeches..
i go by the guy whom al sharpton had on his show in march who is a writer for president obama,and i forgot his name,and i will not quote Anyone anymore without a link,but,he is one of president obama speechwriters,and he said that all of the presidents major speeches are written by the president..

And he along with another speechwriter, only write short speeches if president obama requested it on outlining,the ceremony of a bill being signed by the president, government summits,press conferences,or major meetings,which is usually 2-4 paragraphs,if its that long.. and,he repeated that twice during the interview that this president writes his own speeches..

and,i would believe what he says more than anyone,for one fact is that this president was once the editor of the havard law review,and he knows his grammer,unlike me,and has an extensive vocabulary...

Now I think I would believe Fox News before I would believe some guest on an Al Sharpton show. I wasn't even aware that Sharpton had a TV show.
I think you should realize that Bill O'Reilly is very well educated and does present both sides of an issue. Sean Hannity is very good to and you can really trust him. I have been shocked by the way NBC and some of the other networks tell their side of the news. The media lied and journalism died.

[anothersta]

Now I think I would believe Fox News before I would believe some guest on an Al Sharpton show. I wasn't even aware that Sharpton had a TV show.
I think you should realize that Bill O'Reilly is very well educated and does present both sides of an issue. Sean Hannity is very good to and you can really trust him. I have been shocked by the way NBC and some of the other networks tell their side of the news. The media lied and journalism died.

LOL Al Sharpton was the one who said the Somalia Pirates refer to themselves as the volunteer Coast Guard lol

I think they do, but I found it so funny that anyone would give that statement the time of day.

[mikej]

Now I think I would believe Fox News before I would believe some guest on an Al Sharpton show. I wasn't even aware that Sharpton had a TV show.
I think you should realize that Bill O'Reilly is very well educated and does present both sides of an issue. Sean Hannity is very good to and you can really trust him. I have been shocked by the way NBC and some of the other networks tell their side of the news. The media lied and journalism died.

Bill O'Reilly does have a college degree; Hannity and Beck graduated high school. O'Reilly has a habit of presenting some of the facts, but, rarely tells the whole story. Hannity and Beck fabricate their stories.

I don't get my news off television. It's useless. That became apparent in all that was left out in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq. Bush lied and the networks, including cable news, repeated those lies.

I thought that Conservatives had great disdain for education.

[YNKYH8R]

See...no one can answer my question.

No one knows by what standard we measure the greatness of this country...nor what level of excellence we are trying to get back to.

[YNKYH8R]

News organizatiosn are in th eye of the beholder.

I watched FOX for a couple of months and it was like watching a George Bush orgy. (if you can envision that)

Then CNN (who tries hard to be everything it was meant to be) gets caught up in the sensationalizm of the news.

It's like each one holds a part of the truth and we have to figure out what it is.

Of course I would have more respect for both if they didn't have people like Al Sharpton or Anne Coulter on. All that does is pander to the FAR left and FAR right. Both are obscene people who make a living at how horrible of a person they can be.

They must have sold thier souls to the devil or something because no amount of money could make me want to be as egotistical as either one of them.

And it's a shame that people listen to them...yet want to bridge a gap between the two sides. They feed into the hatred...and make hate mongers out of all of you.

[tngirl]

See...no one can answer my question.

No one knows by what standard we measure the greatness of this country...nor what level of excellence we are trying to get back to.
I have answered the question. Our greatness lies within our Constitution. The more we stray from what the founding fathers set forth, the faster this nation declines.

[hblueeyes]

I disagree. i think our greatness lies in our people. Unfortunately, we have become a nation of lemings. We just go along with the crowd. Those of us who are strong and independant minded will weather the storms ahead.

Me

[tngirl]

I disagree. i think our greatness lies in our people. Unfortunately, we have become a nation of lemings. We just go along with the crowd. Those of us who are strong and independant minded will weather the storms ahead.

Me
I will agree with the part of us becoming a nation of lemmings, but how does that make the people the greatness of our nation? Really, if the people are going to do nothing but follow the lip service then that just proves how ignorant they are. This is what happens in underdeveloped countries and shouldn't be happening in this country. If all we do is listen to the lip service and not take the time to actually find out the truth, that does not make us great. It makes us stupid.

Our Constitution is what makes this country great and without it we are nothing more than countries like Venezuela. The people of that country continued to elect greedy and power hungry individuals into their government and paved the path for a lunatic like Crazy Chavez to waltz in and take over. All because the people listened to the empty promises.

Once our Rights are taken away, there will be nothing great about this country.

[hblueeyes]

We were the greatest nation at one time. We are becoming/have become lemmings, so to speak, and as such have lost our greatness as a whole. Though there are many of us who are not lemmings and it will be those of us who rise up and take our nation back. back to being great, doing what is right for rights sake, helping those less fortunate, working hard and being productive.We have become a nation of entitlements. Like the MP said, we cannot continue to squeeze the productive members of society to care for the unproductive members.

Me

[YNKYH8R]

We were the greatest nation at one time. We are becoming/have become lemmings, so to speak, and as such have lost our greatness as a whole. Though there are many of us who are not lemmings and it will be those of us who rise up and take our nation back. back to being great, doing what is right for rights sake, helping those less fortunate, working hard and being productive.We have become a nation of entitlements. Like the MP said, we cannot continue to squeeze the productive members of society to care for the unproductive members.

MeThis is exactly what I'm talking about. You said, and it's said many times. Okay...so when WERE we great? Cause (if I'm reading tngirl right) it hasn't been since 1776. At some point in time this country was great (one people want to get back too) when was that? That is my question. I know we're great over all because of the constitutin and it's people. But what is the greatness people pine for?

[Bahet]

I understand Ynky. TN, I agree, the constitution does make us great. It is a unique set of rights and laws that set forth what this country is all about. But statements like hblue's about how we were great at one time are confusing. When were we great? I assume that we were great in the beginning. Have we been a great nation since 1800? Since 1900? Were the 1950s the last "great" era? Were we a great nation in 2000? When were we the greatest nation? How did we lose that status? If we are no longer the greatest nation, who is and why?

[SurferGirl]

See...no one can answer my question.

No one knows by what standard we measure the greatness of this country...nor what level of excellence we are trying to get back to.

If you watched the tea party at the Alamo that Glenn Beck was hosting you would see what is still great about our country. We have many people who love this country and want to do their best to keep this country great.
We want our politicians to start listening to us. What makes our country great is the people. Not the deadbeats but the people who set their alarm clocks to get up and do a hard days work. The people who don't mind paying taxes if they are fair. The people that stand up and want their voice to be heard. Go back through this thread and you will know what makes our country great. It's more than a few words can say, it's about the good people of our country.

[ahippiechic]

He didn't ask WHAT made it great, he asked WHEN was it the 'great country' that some say we need to be again.

[Jolie Rouge]

The Janeane Garofalo of academia ? It’s one thing for Hollywood twit Janeane Garofalo to smear the Tea Party movement as RAAAAACIST. We can expect ignorant celebrities to be ignorant.

But when newspapers phone up “experts” in academia to provide commentary and analysis on social and political trends, it would be nice if they based their assessments on reality, wouldn’t it?

In the Christian Science Monitor today, one professor of emeritus plays the Janeane Garofalo of academia: http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0418/p25s03-usgn.html


Jeffrey Kimball, a professor emeritus of history at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio, says the protesters seemed to represent the most extreme adherents of American conservatism, hardly representative of the average American.

“We may have just seen the whole movement” at these protests, says Mr. Kimball. “I don’t see it as a groundswell, but a manifestation by those people who form the core of … the extreme right reacting both to the condition of our time and President Obama – he’s black and he’s liberal.“

Where’s my cluebat?

California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger booed at Sacramento Tea Party: White and Republican.

California GOP chairman Ron Nehring booed at Sacramento Tea Party: White and Republican.

Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, Sens. Orrin Hatch, and Bob Bennett all booed at Salt Lake City Tea Party: White and Republican.

Rep. Gresham Barrett booed at Greenville SC Tea Party: White and Republican.

Reality doesn’t fit Hollywood’s narrative — or left-wing academia’s. Must be lovely to live life immunized from the truth.

[SurferGirl]

yes this is my 1st post,and i do appreciate the opportunity to post on here..
having said that,i did click on your link,and im not one to believe anything coming from a right wing blog..
and i don't believe everything from A left wing blog either..
i do my own research,And i did see the cnn clip and yes,u could tell she is one who is frustrated by the clueless ideas of those who were involved..

most,if not all of the people who did participate in the tea party,are getting tax cuts..and they are singing that they don't want tax cuts,with the wrong choir..the choir of millionaires,sean hannity,rush,and others whom got tax cuts under gw bush..and now that their not getting one and they have to pay more taxes,they are brainwashing the dumb into going out into the streets,radioland,tvland,and just in general talking others and saying,they don't want a tax cut,while your fox friends got theirs and are upset that they won't be getting one under the new president..OH WELL...

but this cnn reporter was biased,but,i see bias all the time on fox..
ALL THE TIME...
so,where is the outrage about fox doing it??
People expect it,and its no secret they are a republican tool....

as for the speeches..
i go by the guy whom al sharpton had on his show in march who is a writer for president obama,and i forgot his name,and i will not quote Anyone anymore without a link,but,he is one of president obama speechwriters,and he said that all of the presidents major speeches are written by the president..

And he along with another speechwriter, only write short speeches if president obama requested it on outlining,the ceremony of a bill being signed by the president, government summits,press conferences,or major meetings,which is usually 2-4 paragraphs,if its that long.. and,he repeated that twice during the interview that this president writes his own speeches..

and,i would believe what he says more than anyone,for one fact is that this president was once the editor of the havard law review,and he knows his grammer,unlike me,and has an extensive vocabulary...

Did you read the recent article about Al Sharpton?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/19/report-rev-al-sharpton-hit-g-election-fine/
Report: Rev. Al Sharpton Hit With $285G Election Fine
The Rev. Al Sharpton and his National Action Network have been slapped with a record $285,000 fine for violating federal election rules during his 2004 bid for president, the New York Post has learned
FOXNews.com

Sunday, April 19, 2009
The Rev. Al Sharpton and his National Action Network have been slapped with a record $285,000 fine for violating a slew of federal election rules during his 2004 bid for president, the New York Post has learned.

In a decision to be made public next month, the Federal Election Commission found that Sharpton's Democratic primary campaign accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in contributions from private sources.

It also "kept poor records of its activities and expenditures" and commingled funds with Sharpton's civil-rights group. All are prohibited under the Federal Election Campaign Act.

Earlier this month, Sharpton and former campaign manager Andrew Rivera signed an agreement with the FEC to pay the fine -- among the highest in the regulatory body's 34-year history.

"Sharpton 2004 materially misstated its receipts and disbursements, as well as cash on hand in 2004," says the April 8 FEC report, which followed an investigation of the Sharpton campaign's expenses.

The review followed a 2004 complaint to the FEC from the National Legal and Policy Center, a Virginia-based watchdog group.

[SurferGirl]

He didn't ask WHAT made it great, he asked WHEN was it the 'great country' that some say we need to be again.

America is still a great country, we just have a congress and senate and executive branch that doesn't listen. This has been going on for a long time but the people still make this a great nation.

[SurferGirl]

[QUOTE=Jolie Rouge;96148674]The Janeane Garofalo of academia ? It’s one thing for Hollywood twit Janeane Garofalo to smear the Tea Party movement as RAAAAACIST. We can expect ignorant celebrities to be ignorant. Quote]

This is getting pretty old, people using Obama's race as an excuse.
The tea parties were about politicians that don't listen and much more than the current president. People are mad at congress and the senate and the current administration. We are tired of the tax and spend attitude and if people do actually get a $400 tax cut, we know that we will have to pay much more in hidden taxes. Just the Cap and Trade will cost the average family around $3000 a year.

[janelle]

Our founding fathers were all white old men. I guess some of those old geezers still have some good ideas and knew how to implement them. HAHAHAHAHAHA

[tngirl]

I believe our greatness started waning after the 1950's. Once the 1960's rolled around we started being a "bleeding heart" nation. Yes, I realize that FDR started the social programs during the depression as a way to get us out of it, but it has snowed balled since then and now it seems. Programs that were started as temporary have become permanent.

In today's world, it seems that what is good for the few is more important that what is good for the many. Today you cannot say anything without having to worry about being PIC.

It was starting in the 60's that our Constitutional Rights started being infringed upon. Today, so many of those Rights exist in writing only. It seems that everyone has forgotten that the Bill of Rights cannot be changed without radification, but those Rights are re-interpretated on a daily basis so that they are hardly recognizable anymore.

[YNKYH8R]

I believe our greatness started waning after the 1950's. Once the 1960's rolled around we started being a "bleeding heart" nation. Yes, I realize that FDR started the social programs during the depression as a way to get us out of it, but it has snowed balled since then and now it seems. Programs that were started as temporary have become permanent.

In today's world, it seems that what is good for the few is more important that what is good for the many. Today you cannot say anything without having to worry about being PIC.

It was starting in the 60's that our Constitutional Rights started being infringed upon. Today, so many of those Rights exist in writing only. It seems that everyone has forgotten that the Bill of Rights cannot be changed without radification, but those Rights are re-interpretated on a daily basis so that they are hardly recognizable anymore.Thank you...finally! Someone who can actually answer this question. (Thnk you BAhet I didn't forget you.)

So in your opinion 40+ years have gone by that have really brought this coutry down. I can see that. I was wondering if someone was going to say the 50's. We just came out of WW2 and the cold war was begining. So IMO not too many years maybe from '32 to '49...some great years.

I blame widestream media for most of this countries downfall...or fall from grace.

That and ignorance.

Nobody knows anything anymore....

Why can't we just be human fk'n beings?

[tngirl]

I would agree with you on the point of the media being a lot to blame in part, especially television. They had these intelligent looking people up there broadcasting the news and the people assumed that they all knew what they were talking about and started to believe everything they heard. I mean really, this is the USA, those things happening in other countries could never happen here!! And if the media wasn't reporting it then surely it wasn't happening.

A lot of things started happening also with the UN about that time. That is why I picked the 60's as my starting point of our country going downhill. That decade is the time that the UN started obtaining some control of what our country could and could not do. If we didn't think the League of Nations was a good idea, why would we believe that the UN would be any better?

[janelle]

About the time Hollywood and TV stopped portraying America as the good guys and started portraying them as the bad guys??? Movies always had our country doing good things, helping out the world, being the hero, then it became popular to make everything into a conspiracy, big bad boogie men controlling all of us. Crooked leaders, anybody who controlled anything was evil and crooked. Those kind of movies became popular at the box office so more was made. Look at all the Oliver Stone movies, everything is corrupt and the little guy is a victim.

I guess reality followed fiction. You tell the world you are a villain for so many years, they start to believe it. Imagine that.

[YNKYH8R]

About the time Hollywood and TV stopped portraying America as the good guys and started portraying them as the bad guys??? Movies always had our country doing good things, helping out the world, being the hero, then it became popular to make everything into a conspiracy, big bad boogie men controlling all of us. Crooked leaders, anybody who controlled anything was evil and crooked. Those kind of movies became popular at the box office so more was made. Look at all the Oliver Stone movies, everything is corrupt and the little guy is a victim.

I guess reality followed fiction. You tell the world you are a villain for so many years, they start to believe it. Imagine that.I see your point and it makes for interesting thought. However, there have been corrput leaders and people in America. You can't deny the desire to watch a dramatic film where in the end the 'little guy' defeats the 'establishment'.

In some ways this could be seen as contributing factor.

[janelle]

You want to see corrupt leaders look at the Soviet Union, etc where no one has freedom. No movie about corruption would be made in those countries cause the film makers would be locked up for life is not worse.

I like our freedoms but we all need to know the difference between a good story for the boxoffice money and real tyranny. Hollywood people whining how bad we have it do not get the irony of being able to say how bad we have it and not being locked up for saying it. That proves we don't have it that bad after all. LOL

[Jolie Rouge]

Obama targets teabaggers at Town Hall
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/obama-targets-tea-baggers-at-town-hall/

[anothersta]

Mr Happy to have a 'serious conversation' said "I won" when the Republicans tried.

What an arrogant A HOLE!!!!!!!!

And good god, he's still blaming the 'failed policies of the last 8 years'

Everyone take a drink! Gulp!

[Jolie Rouge]

President Obama said the following at a town hall meeting/100th day in office sermon:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21870.html


“Those of you who are watching certain news channels on which I’m not very popular, and you see folks waving tea bags around, Obama said, “let me just remind them that I am happy to have a serious conversation about how we are going to cut our health care costs down over the long term, how we are going to stabilize Social Security.”


Strange that Obama could so easily reference something he was unaware of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u68hvxxuQQw&feature=player_embedded
but nonetheless, tea party organizers are taking the president up on the offer (they say “accepted his offer” because “called his bluff” sounds too harsh for hope):


The National Leadership Team of the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition today accepted President Obama`s invitation “to have a serious conversation about how we are going to cut our health care costs down over the long term, how we are going to stabilize Social Security.”

The invitation was extended by the President at a Town Hall Meeting held in Arnold, Missouri today. Michael Patrick Leahy, a member of the National Leadership Team of the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition, said “We want to broaden the scope to address the President`s runaway march to socialist-statism, and the rampant across the board irresponsible spending he is promoting with his $787 Billion Stimulus Plan and his $1 Trillion Annual Deficit, his takeover of General Motors, Chrysler and the Banks.”

The rest of that press release is here. http://www.parcbench.com/article_details.php?RId=200&topic=front

Of course, the president’s “invitation” was of the “kiss my royal butt” variety, so don’t expect an actual meeting to come from any of this.

You’ll notice how the entire tea party movement is being dismissed as a Fox News stunt, which anyone who’s followed this since the beginning knows is a complete pile of Pelosi. As a matter of fact, didn’t this whole thing, at least in part, get rolling because of Santelli’s “rant” on CNBC? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZB4taSEoA


One frustration for the left that lingers from the Tax Day tea parties is that when the liberal sock-puppet media did show up, they were only fishing for wackos to discredit the tea party movement and instead ended up providing everyone with laughable examples of their own bias. http://dougpowers.com/2009/04/16/the-two-faces-of-cnns-new-minister-of-government-defense-susan-roesgen/


The Two Faces of CNN’s New ‘Minister of Government Defense’ Susan RoesgenYesterday at a tea party, CNN reporter Susan Roesgen, who is apparently also serving in a dual role as Washington, DC’s Minister of Propanda & Government Defense, was incensed at the “anti-government” (not to mention “anti-CNN”) sentiments at a rally she was covering and tried to set one tea partier straight on how horrible it is to question the motives or show any disrespect toward the Commander-in-Chief.

Below is a video of that exchange, but it’s preceded by a clip from a protest rally not long ago featuring a likeness of then President Bush, complete with Hitler mustache and devil horns, that Roesgen referred to as “a lookalike.”

Thanks though to the president for helping boost attendance on July 4th even higher than it would have otherwise been. http://www.teapartyday.com/

[Jolie Rouge]

Matt Kibbe at Reason magazine has the best explanation for the protests that I have yet seen in print: http://reason.com/news/show/133177.html


What were the tea parties about? Reading the signs and talking to people (unlike CNN’s incredibly hostile Susan Roesgen, I actually let folks answer my questions in their own words), the “agenda” was crystal clear. Tea party activists were worried and angry about government bailouts for the irresponsible, about spending that “stimulated” record growth in government and not much else, and about government borrowing that will place unconscionable burdens on future generations of Americans. My favorite sign of the day: “Give Me Liberty, Not Debt.”

Some tried to diminish the tea parties as misguided tax protests. In reality, the protestors demonstrated a sophisticated understanding of economics that went well beyond objections to higher tax rates. You can’t spend money you don’t have, the tea party attendees understood, and government spending above current revenues must be paid for with higher taxes, more borrowing (to be paid for with higher taxes in the future), or artificial government expansion of money and credit, which can only debase the currency and make everyone poorer through inflation.

Read on as Kibbe describes the “stages of denial” the left has experienced as it’s grappled with the revolt.

Unlike lefty protests which are usually organized by unions and Communist front groups, attracting assorted whack jobs, anarchists and conspiracy theorists, these tea parties really were “grass roots” events that brought every day Americans out of their comfort zones in the world of “normal”, out into the streets to put their collective feet down. These are people who pay attention.

This is why the left is so unnerved. This is why they’re trying so hard to paint us all as racists, and rednecks who don’t know what we’re talking about. The fact of the matter is, we *do* know what we’re talking about…..and the more people are able to see past the Obama “razzle dazzle” the more his radical agenda is exposed, and endangered.

http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/for-you-slow-learners-who-still-havent-figured-out-the-tea-parties/

[janelle]

LOL, just as soon as my hubby heard him say that he shot off an email to the White House accepting the debate challenge. I think Obama thought it would just be another thing to say so people will still like him. I am glad the people picked up on it and answered it. We may see him speak without his teleprompter but I highly doubt it.