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anothersta
04-30-2009, 12:07 PM
LOL, just as soon as my hubby heard him say that he shot off an email to the White House accepting the debate challenge. I think Obama thought it would just be another thing to say so people will still like him. I am glad the people picked up on it and answered it. We may see him speak without his teleprompter but I highly doubt it.

I did, too. You can email via whitehouse.gov

I suggest everyone go do that. Let him know this movement is REAL and we aren't giving up 'cause BHO chooses to make fun of us.

He is such a punk.

YNKYH8R
04-30-2009, 03:46 PM
I did, too. You can email via whitehouse.gov

I suggest everyone go do that. Let him know this movement is REAL and we aren't giving up 'cause BHO chooses to make fun of us.

He is such a punk.Are you sure it's not whitehouse.com?

anothersta
04-30-2009, 06:31 PM
Are you sure it's not whitehouse.com?

No, it's whitehouse.gov to send an email to the pres.
:thefinger:

ElleGee
04-30-2009, 06:47 PM
No, it's whitehouse.gov to send an email to the pres.
:thefinger:

You do realize that the middle fingers are in his sig and not at you right?

Otherwise that's a bit harsh dont'cha think?

SurferGirl
04-30-2009, 07:16 PM
Actually I thought it was a little harsh in his signature and really don't understand what he means by it.

anothersta
04-30-2009, 07:41 PM
Actually I thought it was a little harsh in his signature and really don't understand what he means by it.

I thought since it was in a signature of someone, it was fine. Didn't find it harsh at all. Would love to know what it means, too.

anothersta
04-30-2009, 07:45 PM
You do realize that the middle fingers are in his sig and not at you right?

Otherwise that's a bit harsh dont'cha think?

I think if you had that image in your sig, I'd respond to you the same way.

Mind your own business.

ElleGee
04-30-2009, 07:46 PM
I think if you had that image in your sig, I'd respond to you the same way.

Mind your own business.

*quivers* make me :D

I know what his sig means so in the words of my 11 yr old *neener*



:D

ilovecats
04-30-2009, 07:50 PM
I think if you had that image in your sig, I'd respond to you the same way.

Mind your own business.

How rude are you?It is a public messageboard,anyone is allowed to speak their mind.Despite what you may think,just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean they are wrong and you are right.

ElleGee
04-30-2009, 07:54 PM
A simple "My bad" would have been simpler than making herself look like a starred out word.....

LOL mind my business on a public message board
hahahaha

anothersta
04-30-2009, 07:55 PM
How rude are you?It is a public messageboard,anyone is allowed to speak their mind.Despite what you may think,just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean they are wrong and you are right.

there is no disagreement, just a correction...


It is obvious we will probably never agree with each other on anything.
I do see though,that I was extremely rude to you.
I am offering a public apology to you and will try real hard not to respond to anything you post.

http://www.bigbigforums.com/off-topic-chat/604082-anothersta.html?highlight=anothersta

Try harder!

ilovecats
04-30-2009, 08:00 PM
there is no disagreement, just a correction...



Try harder!

What part of "opinion" don't you understand?
o⋅pin⋅ion
   /əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-pin-yuhn] Show IPA
–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.


"It is obvious we will probably never agree with each other on anything.
I do see though,that I was extremely rude to you.
I am offering a public apology to you and will try real hard not to respond to anything you post."
I publicly recant that statement,you didn't even have the decency to respond.

Jolie Rouge
04-30-2009, 08:01 PM
whitehouse.com is a porn site ... as I am sure Y knows... we found THAT out when doing a school report during the '98 election cycle...


Actually I thought it was a little harsh in his signature and really don't understand what he means by it.

We "discussed" it in another thread... if I understand it correctly; Y felt that he was disrespected at another board/forum and so he expresses himself by showing :thefinger: to everyone at this board everytime he posts as a form of "Freedom of Speech"


But I could be wrong .... :rolleyes: :bootyshake:

anothersta
04-30-2009, 08:05 PM
whitehouse.com is a porn site ... as I am sure Y knows... we found THAT out when doing a school report during the '98 election cycle...



We "discussed" it in another thread... if I understand it correctly; Y felt that he was disrespected at another board/forum and so he expresses himself by showing :thefinger: to everyone at this board everytime he posts as a form of "Freedom of Speech"


But I could be wrong .... :rolleyes: :bootyshake:

I didn't realize it was a porn site lol Didn't even try it 'cause I knew I had the right one.

Thankyou for explaining, now that I KNOW the finger was meant for everyone (including me), I feel very comfortable tossing it back.

as Freedom of speech, of course :)

Thanks!

anothersta
04-30-2009, 08:09 PM
"It is obvious we will probably never agree with each other on anything.
I do see though,that I was extremely rude to you.
I am offering a public apology to you and will try real hard not to respond to anything you post."
I publicly recant that statement,you didn't even have the decency to respond.

Nevermind what you think, free speech, right? Or I guess in my case, freedom not to speak. That's not a right in your opinion?

A recant lol So, you, like BHO change your values depending on the situation?

Okay, whatever lol

ROFLMAO a recant, OMG, that is just too funny!!

FYI, your recant is a post late lol

ilovecats
04-30-2009, 08:12 PM
Nevermind what you think, free speech, right? Or I guess in my case, freedom not to speak. That's not a right in your opinion?

A recant lol So, you, like BHO change your values depending on the situation?

Okay, whatever lol

ROFLMAO a recant, OMG, that is just too funny!!

Keep showing your true self,I KNOW I am not the only one laughing at you.:rofl:

anothersta
04-30-2009, 08:14 PM
Keep showing your true self,I KNOW I am not the only one laughing at you.:rofl:

So, you really weren't sorry, eh? Cause here you go again.....

Jolie Rouge
04-30-2009, 08:29 PM
Would it be possiable that certain persons are trying to start arguements in order to get a thread that they disagree conceptually with closed by these little side antics.... :rules:

ahippiechic
04-30-2009, 08:30 PM
This is why threads get locked...arguing back & forth like 2nd graders about something entirely OT. And no, it wasn't just one person, takes more than one to argue back and forth like that.

SurferGirl
05-01-2009, 09:32 AM
Thank you for reopening this thread, the tea parties are very important to many of us.

SurferGirl
05-01-2009, 03:01 PM
The Glenn Beck show had a lot about the tea parties today.
The media really did the tea parties an injustice over the way they portrayed the tea parties. Most of the people on the show were more Independant or Libertarian than Republican and many were people who felt the Democratic party had let them down. We were mad about an out of control government even before it got this out of control. It's good to see a group of people that have the same views and values that I do.

Jolie Rouge
05-02-2009, 08:28 PM
:yeah:


:flowers: :thankyou:


Hey, Stop Trashing The Tea Parties
Show Some Confidence in Your Big Government Policies
May 2, 2009.

Commenting on a link Glenn Reynolds provided to an Examiner post http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/TapscottsCopyDesk/President-Obama-Speaker-Pelosi-and-Others-Owe-12-Million-Tea-Party-Patriots-Apology-44187122.html requesting that the President and Speaker Pelosi apologize for smearing the Tea Party movement, his reader Marc Greendorfer offered: http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/77816/

[quote]I can’t recall a single instance during his eight years where President Bush derided American citizens who took to the streets to protest his administration. In fact, I think that President Bush always acknowledged the right of citizens to disagree with him and he was always respectful of that dissent.

If Obama’s mocking of dissent is the change he promised I don’t think I like it.

This mocking of dissent is entirely at odds with Obama’s campaign portrayal of himself as a post-partisan figure able to transcend political divisions. In a post last month, I suggested he could make that rhetoric a reality if he “acknowledge[d] the sincerity of the Tea Party protesters and fault[ed] those who would question it.“ http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/04/22/the-president-the-tea-partiesshowing-respect-for-them-would-increase-his-stature/

A leader confident in his ideas would welcome a debate on his policy proposals. He would not need deride his critics because he would know that an airing of various opinions would not weaken his arguments justifying those proposals.

Why has the President (and his supporters) been so thin-skinned on this? http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/77672/

Do they fear their proposals won’t stand up to public scrutiny?

Look, let’s have a debate on this. Let the President defend his big government approach to the economic crisis and let a leading economist supporting the Tea Parties respond to his points. Then, maybe have another member of his (the President’s) team respond to that.

If the President truly wishes to be the unifying image that his campaign promised, an idea he still promotes in his rhetoric, he would acknowledge the sincerity of the Tea Party protesters’ concerns and address them point by point, without mockery or derision. Not only would that speech be a gracious gesture, he could also use it to promote his policies, to show why they’re in the national interest.

And he would fulfill his campaign pledge to serve as a transcendant, unifying figure.

http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/05/02/hey-democrats-stop-trashing-the-tea-partiesshow-some-confidence-in-your-big-government-policies/

anothersta
05-02-2009, 08:36 PM
I can’t recall a single instance during his eight years where President Bush derided American citizens who took to the streets to protest his administration. In fact, I think that President Bush always acknowledged the right of citizens to disagree with him and he was always respectful of that dissent.

If Obama’s mocking of dissent is the change he promised I don’t think I like it.

I was thinking this, too. I can't remember any presidents actually mocking their citizens. I guess the closest I can think of was Johnson with the war protesters. But, even then, it wasn't so derogatory and blatent.

SurferGirl
05-02-2009, 08:43 PM
Obama is sounding more like a dictator all the time.
This is America and we will never tolerate a dictator.

SurferGirl
05-02-2009, 11:21 PM
For those that haven't check out the link that anothersta gives in her signature here it is and the tea parties live on.
http://www.calendar9-12.blogspot.com/
turday, May 2, 2009
CURRENT EVENTS

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Digital March on Washington
The 21st Century Tea Party
Direct Information
Email,Phone,Fax,Addresses
www.digitalmarch.blogspot.com
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May 2nd, 2009
Amnesty Counter-Protest
Atlanta, GA State Capital
10:00 am
http://www.northgeorgia912.com/action.htm
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May 7th, 2009
The National Day of Prayer
held at state capitals, city halls, and churches
Times and Locations found at Link below

Gather to pray for the moral rebirth of our country, our citizens, and our leaders.
http://www.ndptf.org/
click on Events tab to find one near you
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May 16th, 2009 (Armed Forces Day)
The Angry American CRUISE
Start at 11:00 am / Continue all day into the night!
Washington DC & Local Capitals & So On
Cruise "state/main street" humvee procession style
-honk, decorate your car in honor of military and our nation,
Harley's and other loud sounds of freedom welcomed
cow bells, bugle, trumpets, drums, music
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May 25th, 2009 (Memorial Day)
Honor All of Our Brave Men and Women
who have Served and Are Serving
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June 6th, 2009 (night of 6th;going into the 7th)
Silent Candle Lit March
On all State Capitals
12:00 am / Midnight

Assemble; plant small flags on the yard for each person in attendance;
Place copies of the Declaration of Independence and the 9 Principles on
front door of Capital Building; Sing a song then depart.
Assemble in the spirit of peace and unity.
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June 13th, 2009
American Patriots Supporting our Military
Gathering On The Mall in DC
In Honor of All Troops and Veterans

http://thebandofmothers.com/
http://www.gatheringofeaglesnc.org/viday/#
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June 14th, 2009 (Flag Day)
National Pledge Day
Flag Day Rallies

www.flagdayrallies.com
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July 3rd, 2009
You're Fired-The Pink Slip Campaign

Mailing pink slips...
Please join us, as we send to every elected official in Washington D.C. a Pink Slip to let them know their services are no longer required or desired.
http://www.yourefired.org/
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July 4th, 2009 (Independence Day)
March for Liberty
12:00pm Noon
Surround your state capitals, the mall in D.C., and so on.

http://www.freedomworks.org/
www.marchforliberty.org
http://teapartyday.com/

Spread the word about The 912 Project with all Americans who gather for 4th of July celebrations!
Hand out flyers, speak, educate, invite...
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September 12, 2009
912 Gathering
March in Washington DC
TBA

Also Local Meetup Groups
http://wesurroundthemusa.ning.com/
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September 12th-13th, 2009
Freedoms First Rally For The Constitution
in Washington D.C.

Meet in Front of The Lincoln Memorial
at the Reflection Pool
http://www.freedomsfirst.org/
http://www.rollingthunder1.com/
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2009
Freedom Ride
Washington, DC
Bikers, Truckers, and anyone who wants to join in...
TBA
contact if interested @ [email protected]
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Fall 2009
High Noon Rally
http://highnoonrally.com/
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April 2010
Second Amendment March
www.secondamendmentmarch.com
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November 2010
VOTE
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Stop The Media Now
from reporting biased untruths

http://www.dynarider117.com/contactmedia

*Contact NBC,CBS, ABC, CNN and MSNBC
Let them know we will promote Fox News to all our family, friends, co-workers and neighbors because their news is accurately reported without bias.
*Contact advertisers of these media stations and tell them we will boycott their products, effective immediately, if the agenda of these so-called news organizations isn't reformed TODAY
*Contact the newspaper organizations and tell them the same.
also the advertisers of the newspapers and tell them you will boycott them too.
*Warn everyone you know about the dangers of being deceived by these media outlets! Encourage folks to
get their news from reputable media outlets, such as Fox News and conservative websites (912project, Drudge, Townhall, CNS, WND, etc.) Encourage others to spread the word!

Media contacts, direct email, partial advertiser lists complete with links, newspaper contacts and a sample letter to copy can be found here: http://www.dynarider117.com/contactmedia
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Mail & Fax the White House/Local Government/Media
with copies of 9 Principles & 12 Values
www.theglennbeck912project.com
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GOING ON NOW AND EVERYDAY
*Hang a tea bag from your rear view mirror!!!
*Hand out free tea bags and small slips of paper with 912 project website to everyone you know or meet..
*Use a window marker to advertise on your car windows;
keep flyers handy to pass out!
*Write on Dollar Bills "You Are Not Alone" "The 912 Project"
"Stop Government Spending"
*Buy Pocket Constitution pamphlets; hand out to people who need to be Educated..(link on side)
*Attend Rallies and Events
Bring flags, rattlers, signs
*Take the Oath
*Fly a "Don't Tread On Me Flag" outside your house,
along side "Old Glory"
*Remember to thank the media and newspapers that report
fair and balanced news and issues
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Official Historical Record of The 2009 Tea Party
For anyone who attends a tea party this year!
https://teaparty.wufoo.com/forms/official-historical-record-of-the-2009-tea-party/
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Let the Snake Rattle!
It’s time for the snake to rattle! When you rally or protest, take a noise maker. An actual (baby) rattle, cow bell, rain stick, snare drum, air horn, bugle, etc. Have at least one minute of “rattling.” It will be very encouraging for us (the snake) to literally feel the power we have when we act together with purpose. The sound of hundreds or thousands of people rattling together will be incredible. The ground will shake. Media will hear it. Elected officials will hear it. Fellow citizens not yet awake will hear it.

"I Rattle! Back away.
Don’t tread on me. My fangs are sharp, my venom lethal.
Threaten my life and my liberty at your own peril."

God Bless America
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SHELBYDOG
05-02-2009, 11:45 PM
Obama is sounding more like a dictator all the time.
This is America and we will never tolerate a dictator.

I can't even believe what I just read, America tolerated Bush for 8yrs & I don't think anyone could ever come closer to being a dictator than Bush!

To funny!

gmyers
05-03-2009, 12:23 AM
I can't even believe what I just read, America tolerated Bush for 8yrs & I don't think anyone could ever come closer to being a dictator than Bush!

To funny!

Are you serious? You need to go look up what a dictator is if you think Bush was one. Or go look at the countries that have one now and have had dictators in the past. Bush wasn't anything that even resembles a dictator. I can't believe you even said this. You need to go live in one of the countries that really has a dictator and then I bet you'll change you're mind that Bush wasn't so bad at all.

Bahet
05-03-2009, 11:55 AM
I don't know of any other President who ever told someone "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a God damned piece of paper." But Bush did. He didn't like it when people wanted him to obey that pesky bit of paper.

gmyers
05-03-2009, 12:19 PM
That still doesn't make him anywhere near a dictator. That was really a stretch. I'll take Bush any day over the real dictators in a lot of other countries.

SurferGirl
05-03-2009, 12:23 PM
http://teapartypatriots.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15:press-release-for-immediate-release&catid=2:blog

PRESS RELEASE - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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Friday, 01 May 2009 16:32
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Jenny Beth Martin, 404-326-0936
Tea Party Patriots
http://teapartypatriots.org



President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and Others Owe 1.2 Million Tea Partiers an Apology -

The American People Deserve Better From Their Elected Representatives and Are Beginning to Demand It

Among the political class it has apparently become acceptable, and even fashionable, for American politicians from the President on down to mock the citizens they represent. In a development that can only further denigrate the discourse necessary to any effective democracy, politicians and the "serious" news media are now mocking citizens regularly and with impunity. Supported by mainstream journalists on MSNBC and CNN who themselves use sexual slurs on national television to mock and attack the same citizens, the politicians openly demonstrate their feelings of superiority in regard to those they were elected to represent. They now candidly express their disdain for a significant portion of the American population without threat of reprisal by the mainstream media.

On the morning of the April 15th Tea Parties, the American public was informed on national news by one of the President's economic advisers, Jared Bernstein, that the President was "unaware" of the tea parties taking place in over 850 cities across the nation. On April 29th, the President informed a town hall meeting in St. Louis that he has now become aware of the tea parties, but only from "certain news channels on which I'm not very popular." He referred to the one million plus Patriots who came out in legitimate and constitutionally protected demonstrations of free speech on April 15th as "folks waving tea bags around..." While he collects royalties (last year about $2.6 million) from his books, The Audacity of Hope and Dreams From My Father, the President has the audacity to imply that we the people have nothing legitimate to say about high taxes, wasteful spending and corporate bailouts. The President also seems to believe that it is appropriate to mock millions of Americans who are expressing their opinions publicly in a peaceful manner. "Perhaps he feels that by mocking the tea parties and the patriots who attend them, that he can marginalize them. But we know that real patriots cannot be marginalized, and that they will continue to make their voices heard in ever greater numbers," says Mark Meckler, Sacramento Tea Party Coordinator and Tea Party Patriots National Leadership Council Member.

This sort of condescending approach to the grassroots is a hallmark of politicians all across this land. We, the grassroots are mocked by the President as "folks waving tea bags around." Discussion of our legitimate complaints and concerns is avoided through the use of derogatory and condescending rhetoric. We've heard similar rhetoric from the Speaker Nancy Pelosi who says the tea parties are an "Astroturf initiative," and "contrived events backed by those who like tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans." Rep. Jan Schakowsky (IL), called people who attended the Tea Parties "despicable" and "shameful," said they represent "corporate interests" and said the events were created only by "Republican lobbyists and politicians." At every level, the majority of politicians refuse to discuss the issues head on, and refuse to acknowledge the fact that a huge, non-partisan, grassroots movement has coalesced around limited government, fiscal responsibility and lower taxes. As politicians, they are simply interested in taking and spending more and more of our money, and in leaving our children with the burdens of their excess. And they mock, deride and oppose anyone who objects to what they are doing.

At this time, the President, and all other politicians who demeaned the tea party protesters, Speaker Pelosi (CA), and Rep. Schakowsky (IL) included, owe 1.2 million patriots an apology. If our politicians are truly interested in dialogue with the people they claim to represent, such a dialogue must begin with respect for the citizens of this country. That show of respect will begin when the politicians acknowledge that mocking and demeaning well-intentioned, peaceful patriots who love their country is the height of arrogance, and a terrible mistake. The American people deserve better from their elected representatives, and are beginning to demand it.

Bahet
05-03-2009, 12:32 PM
That still doesn't make him anywhere near a dictator. That was really a stretch. I'll take Bush any day over the real dictators in a lot of other countries.

I agree completely. I got from the OP that she wasn't saying Bush was a dictator but that he's as close to a dictator as this country has had since we started determining our own method of government.

gmyers
05-03-2009, 12:46 PM
I agree completely. I got from the OP that she wasn't saying Bush was a dictator but that he's as close to a dictator as this country has had since we started determining our own method of government.

I still don't see how that can be said. He didn't act anything like that. I didn't see that at all. Talk about exxagerating Bush wasn't anything like that.

Bahet
05-03-2009, 01:04 PM
He didn't care about the Constitution. He didn't care about breaking the law (wiretapping). He didn't care about anything but what he wanted, when he wanted it. He bowled over people's rights to get what he wanted. That's not a total dictator but it's not a good example of democracy either.

SurferGirl
05-03-2009, 01:14 PM
I wonder how many thousands of lives were saved by doing the wiretapping, I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision but one caused by the circumanstances.

SHELBYDOG
05-03-2009, 05:45 PM
Are you serious? You need to go look up what a dictator is if you think Bush was one. Or go look at the countries that have one now and have had dictators in the past. Bush wasn't anything that even resembles a dictator. I can't believe you even said this. You need to go live in one of the countries that really has a dictator and then I bet you'll change you're mind that Bush wasn't so bad at all.

I'm as serious as a heart attack but I'm not gonna let you start a fight with me over it.
You go to another country since your not happy with the way America is being run now............

atprm
05-03-2009, 06:39 PM
I don't think anyone could ever come closer to being a dictator than Bush!


:rolling :rolling :rolling :rolling :rolling


he might have loved potatoes, and he might have been a dick, but he was not even close to being a Dicktater (dictator)

gmyers
05-03-2009, 07:34 PM
I'm as serious as a heart attack but I'm not gonna let you start a fight with me over it.
You go to another country since your not happy with the way America is being run now............

Not trying to start a fight I just think you're being a little over dramatic. And no thanks I love this country. I wasn't saying for you to leave the country just go check out how real dictators are and then come back and say Bush was like that. If you can still say that after that then all I can say is we definitely have different views on what a dictator is.

Jolie Rouge
05-03-2009, 07:46 PM
He didn't care about the Constitution. He didn't care about breaking the law (wiretapping). He didn't care about anything but what he wanted, when he wanted it. He bowled over people's rights to get what he wanted.



Obama administration seeks to deny habeas-corpus for Afghan detainees

Like the three most important considerations in real estate, whether or not the Obama administration fights for terrorism suspects’ habeas-corpus rights has everything to do with location, location, location:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/11/wo...gram.html?_r=1


The Obama administration said Friday that it would appeal a district court ruling that granted some military prisoners in Afghanistan the right to file lawsuits seeking their release. The decision signaled that the administration was not backing down in its effort to maintain the power to imprison terrorism suspects for extended periods without judicial oversight.

In a court filing, the Justice Department also asked District Judge John D. Bates not to proceed with the habeas-corpus cases of three detainees at Bagram Air Base outside Kabul, Afghanistan. Judge Bates ruled last week that the three — each of whom says he was seized outside of Afghanistan — could challenge their detention in court.

Tina Foster, the executive director of the International Justice Network, which is representing the detainees, condemned the decision in a statement.

“Though he has made many promises regarding the need for our country to rejoin the world community of nations, by filing this appeal, President Obama has taken on the defense of one of the Bush administration’s unlawful policies founded on nothing more than the idea that might makes right,” she said.


Obama Administration Defends Wiretaps
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/...ends-wiretaps/


Government opts for secrecy in wiretap suit
Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 7, 2009
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...TJOQ.DTL&tsp=1


The Obama administration is again invoking government secrecy in defending the Bush administration's wiretapping program, this time against a lawsuit by AT&T customers who claim federal agents illegally intercepted their phone calls and gained access to their records.

Disclosure of the information sought by the customers, "which concerns how the United States seeks to detect and prevent terrorist attacks, would cause exceptionally grave harm to national security," Justice Department lawyers said in papers filed Friday in San Francisco.

Kevin Bankston of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a lawyer for the customers, said Monday the filing was disappointing in light of the Obama presidential campaign's "unceasing criticism of Bush-era secrecy and promise for more transparency."

In a 2006 lawsuit, the AT&T plaintiffs accused the company of allowing the National Security Agency to intercept calls and e-mails and inspect records of millions of customers without warrants or evidence of wrongdoing.

The suit followed President George W. Bush's acknowledgement in 2005 that he had secretly authorized the NSA in 2001 to monitor messages between U.S. residents and suspected foreign terrorists without seeking court approval, as required by a 1978 law.

Congress passed a new law last summer permitting the surveillance after Bush allowed some court supervision, the extent of which has not been made public. The law also sought to grant immunity to AT&T and other telecommunications companies from suits by customers accusing them of helping the government spy on them.

Nearly 40 such suits from around the nation, all filed after Bush's 2005 disclosure, have been transferred to San Francisco and are pending before Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker. He is now reviewing a constitutional challenge to last year's immunity law, which the Obama administration is defending.

Walker is also considering a challenge to the surveillance program by the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, a now-defunct charity that was inadvertently given a government document in 2004, reportedly showing that its lawyers had been wiretapped during an investigation that landed the group on the government's terrorist list.

The Obama administration is also opposing that suit and has challenged Walker's order to let Al-Haramain's lawyers examine the still-classified surveillance document.

The administration's new filing asks Walker to dismiss a second suit filed in September by AT&T customers that sought to sidestep the telecommunications immunity law by naming only the government, Bush and other top officials as defendants.

Like the earlier suit, the September case relies on a former AT&T technician's declaration that he saw equipment installed at the company's San Francisco office to allow NSA agents to copy all incoming e-mails. The plaintiffs' lawyers say the declaration, and public statements by government officials, revealed a "dragnet" surveillance program that indiscriminately scooped up messages and customer records.

The Justice Department said Friday that government agents monitored only communications in which "a participant was reasonably believed to be associated with al Qaeda or an affiliated terrorist organization." But proving that the surveillance program did not sweep in ordinary phone customers would require "disclosure of highly classified NSA intelligence sources and methods," the department said.

Individual customers cannot show their messages were intercepted, and thus have no right to sue, because all such information is secret, government lawyers said. They also said disclosure of whether AT&T took part in the program would tell the nation's enemies "which channels of communication may or may not be secure."


:hmmmm2: Somebody really owes George W. Bush an apology...



I don't know of any other President who ever told someone "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a God damned piece of paper." But Bush did. He didn't like it when people wanted him to obey that pesky bit of paper.

Link or context please .... I must have missed this :confused:

gmyers
05-03-2009, 07:52 PM
Its funny how Obama is saying Bush did this and that wrong but he's also upholding some of the very things he said was wrong.

Bahet
05-03-2009, 10:26 PM
Its funny how Obama is saying Bush did this and that wrong but he's also upholding some of the very things he said was wrong.

Exactly. That ticks me off.

SHELBYDOG
05-04-2009, 06:21 AM
Not trying to start a fight I just think you're being a little over dramatic. And no thanks I love this country. I wasn't saying for you to leave the country just go check out how real dictators are and then come back and say Bush was like that. If you can still say that after that then all I can say is we definitely have different views on what a dictator is.

Actually gymers I think SurferGirl is the over dramatic one in here with her anger, rage, accusations & name calling with the current POTUS. Bush wasn't a dictator, but I can't say that he didn't come across as one at differant times during his last term in office. I really don't care to leave my country to visit another to see how a dictator rules, I'm quite happy right where I'm at.

pepperpot
05-04-2009, 06:39 AM
She may have strong opinions, but I think sometimes she's baited too.....

SurferGirl
05-04-2009, 10:38 AM
I do have some very strong opinions but that one went from an example of real torture in the United Emirates to someone turning it into the few cases where we used very minimal torture to get information and our form was never a threat of any permanent damage. Then I just pointed out that many of the people who make a big deal about this type of torture support BHO's extreme radical views on late term abortion. I thought BHO was being very much a hypocrite.

I really had very little time to actually keep up with the whole forum and I'll have far less time in the future.

Jolie Rouge
05-04-2009, 12:58 PM
She may have strong opinions, but I think sometimes she's baited too.....

:yeah:

Jolie Rouge
05-19-2009, 10:03 AM
The Megapenny Project

http://www.kokogiak.com/megapenny/?source=NEWSLETTER&ppc=69218&utm_campaign=DIBPresents&utm_source=NL&utm_medium=newsletter

"Visualizing huge numbers can be very difficult. People regularly talk about millions of miles, billions of bytes, or trillions of dollars, yet it's still hard to grasp just how much a "billion" really is." Step your way through a stack and/or stacks of pennies, from one all the way to a quintillion cents. The Sears Tower and the Empire State building even get into the act as size references. The Megapenny Penny Project is just the site for those of us who are visual and also for residents of Missouri who always demand, "Show Me!"


http://www.kokogiak.com/megapenny/fifteen.asp

http://www.kokogiak.com/megapenny/emp_pennies_A.jpg


1,818,624,000,000
One trillion, eight hundred eighteen billion, six hundred
twenty-four million Pennies

New york's Empire State Building contains 37 million cubic feet of space (minus
the antenna structure). Using our cubic foot of pennies (49,152 total), it's just a simple
multiplication problem - 37,000,000 x 49,152 = 1,818,624,000,000 pennies.

value $18,186,240,000.00
(Eighteen billion, one hundred
eighty-six million, two hundred forty
thousand dollars and zero cents)
total weight 5,683,200 tons
height stacked 1,793,939 Miles
area (laid flat) 163,085 acres

pepperpot
05-19-2009, 10:50 AM
http://www.kokogiak.com/megapenny/emp_pennies_A.jpg

And here I thought we were comparing racial phallic symbols....:lol

Jolie Rouge
05-19-2009, 10:53 AM
thats only in rock videos....

janelle
05-20-2009, 03:48 PM
This is a powerful video.


________________________________________
Subject: FW: Tea Party Video Great


Take a couple of minutes to enjoy a little of our history!!!!!

This is awesome. What a teenager can do with a little time on a computer..............................

The Mom wrote

I asked Justin if he could help me make a commercial for my group's Tea Party. He sat down at the laptop for about an hour and then brought this to me and asked "is this okay, Mom?" After I finished watching it, my stomach was in my throat. Everyone that I have sent it to has really enjoyed it so I wanted my friends to see it. I am so proud! Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx-RO2prckc

SurferGirl
05-20-2009, 09:30 PM
That was a really good video.

The tea parties seem to have an effect already in California.

Even though the voter turnout was pathetic, around 20% we voted down the taxes and the only thing that passed was the no pay raises to elected officials the years they can't balance the budget.

janelle
05-20-2009, 10:17 PM
Good for CA, that means no pay raise ever again since they can never balance the budget.

Jolie Rouge
04-13-2010, 07:33 AM
Okla. tea parties and lawmakers envision militia
Sean Murphy And Tim Talley, AP Writers – Mon Apr 12, 9:30 pm ET

OKLAHOMA CITY – Frustrated by recent political setbacks, tea party leaders and some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature say they would like to create a new volunteer militia to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.

Tea party movement leaders say they've discussed the idea with several supportive lawmakers and hope to get legislation next year to recognize a new volunteer force. They say the unit would not resemble militia groups that have been raided for allegedly plotting attacks on law enforcement officers.

"Is it scary? It sure is," said tea party leader Al Gerhart of Oklahoma City, who heads an umbrella group of tea party factions called the Oklahoma Constitutional Alliance. "But when do the states stop rolling over for the federal government?"

Thus far, the discussions have been exploratory. Even the proponents say they don't know how an armed force would be organized nor how a state-based militia could block federal mandates. Critics also asserted that the force could inflame extremism, and that the National Guard already provides for the state's military needs.

"Have they heard of the Oklahoma City bombing?" said Joseph Thai, a constitutional law professor at the University of Oklahoma. The state observes the 15th anniversary of the anti-government attack on Monday. Such actions could "throw fuel in the fire of radicals," he said.

But the militia talks reflect the frustration of some grass roots groups seeking new ways of fighting recent federal initiatives, such as the health reform plan, which requires all citizens to have health insurance. Over the last year, tea party groups across the country have staged rallies and pressured politicians to protest big government and demand reduced public spending.

In strongly conservative states like Oklahoma, some legislators have also discussed further action to fight federal policies, such as state legislation and lawsuits.

State Sen. Randy Brogdon, R-Owasso, a Republican candidate for governor who has appealed for tea party support, said supporters of a state militia have talked to him, and that he believes the citizen unit would be authorized under the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

The founding fathers "were not referring to a turkey shoot or a quail hunt. They really weren't even talking about us having the ability to protect ourselves against each other," Brogdon said. "The Second Amendment deals directly with the right of an individual to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government."

Another lawmaker, state Rep. Charles Key, R-Oklahoma City, said he believes there's a good chance of introducing legislation for a state-authorized militia next year.

Tea party leader J.W. Berry of the Tulsa-based OKforTea began soliciting interest in a state militia through his newsletter under the subject "Buy more guns, more bullets."

"It's not a far-right crazy plan or anything like that," Berry said. "This would be done with the full cooperation of the state Legislature."

State militias clearly are constitutionally authorized, but have not been used in recent times, said Glenn Reynolds, a law professor at the University of Tennessee and an expert on the Second Amendment. "Whether someone should get a militia to go toe-to-toe with the federal government ... now, that strikes me as kind of silly," he said.

Some conservative legislators in Oklahoma say talk of a militia, which would be privately recruited, armed and trained, goes too far.

"If the intent is to create a militia for disaster relief, we have the National Guard," said Sen. Steve Russell, R-Oklahoma City, a retired Army lieutenant colonel. "Anything beyond that purpose should be viewed with great concern and caution."

Democratic Gov. Brad Henry's communications director Paul Sund also discounted the militia discussion, saying the National Guard handles state emergencies and security.

Federal authorities say that radical militia groups have not emerged in Oklahoma, unlike many other states, in part because of the legacy of the Oklahoma City bombing. On April 19, 1995, an anti-government conspiracy led by Army veteran Tim McVeigh exploded a truckbomb outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 people.

Last month, FBI agents conducted a raid on the Hutaree militia group in southern Michigan and accused members of plotting to kill law enforcement officers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100413/ap_on_re_us/us_tea_party_militia;_ylt=Ai.qRJ1gjqhzFS1nuc9we2qs 0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFpOTBvN25oBHBvcwMzNgRzZWMDYWNjb3Jk aW9uX21vc3RfcG9wdWxhcgRzbGsDb2tsYXRlYXBhcnRp


:rofl:


This is left wing bias reporting at the extreme.


support the Tea Party movement, or any other 3rd party movement that will evolve our current 2 party system. However, this militia idea is just STUPID. Plain and simple. There is plenty of room to improve our nation within our laws without resorting to violence.


I would like to note too that the possibility has been brought up that your more radical Liberals may infiltrate the Tea Bagger movement and incite violence to tarnish the movements reputation. Keep that in mind if the media is breaking such stories in the future. Hell, they eat their own, why wouldn't they pull a stunt like that?

Jolie Rouge
04-13-2010, 08:32 AM
Wrong video of health protest spurs N-word feud
By Jesse Washington, Ap National Writer Tue Apr 13, 6:23 am ET

Three Democratic congressmen — all black — say they heard racial slurs as they walked through thousands of angry protesters outside the U.S. Capitol. A white lawmaker says he heard the epithets too. Conservative activists say the lawmakers are lying.

What does the video show? Not much. Indeed, new interviews show that a much-viewed YouTube recording cited as evidence by conservatives was actually shot well after the time in question.

It was March 20, near the end of the bitter health care debate, when Reps. John Lewis, Andre Carson and Emanuel Cleaver say that some demonstrators, many of them tea party activists, yelled the "N-word" as the congressmen walked from House office buildings to the Capitol.

Stung by the charges of racism, conservatives and tea party activists insist it never happened. And one of them is offering big money if anyone can prove it did.

With so many media and citizen cameras at the demonstration, any epithets would have been caught on tape, says Andrew Breitbart. He's the web entrepreneur who released the video of ACORN workers counseling actors posing as a pimp and prostitute, and has pledged $100,000 to the United Negro College Fund if anyone provides proof of the epithets.

"It didn't happen," said Breitbart, who wasn't there. "This is 2010. Even a racist is media-savvy enough not to yell the N-word."

The dispute pits the lawmakers — one of them, Lewis, is a leader and survivor of 1960s civil rights battles — against conservatives determined to counter claims of racism within the predominantly white and middle-aged tea party movement. The criticism has proven a distraction to a nascent movement pushing a unified message of fiscal conservatism and limited government.

The issue still echoes in the media and blogosphere. "Listen, I was there," Carson, D-Ind., said in an interview. "In many regards I think (the challenges are) a veiled attempt to justify actions that are simply unjustifiable. I think we need to move toward a dialogue that explores why this kind of divisive and reprehensible language is still making it into our political debate."

A fourth Democrat, Rep. Heath Shuler of North Carolina, who is white, backed up his colleagues, telling the Henderson (N.C.) Times-News that he heard the slurs.

A reconstruction of the events shows that the conservative challenges largely sprang from a mislabeled video that was shot later in the day.

Breitbart posted two columns on his Web site saying the claims were fabricated. Both led with a 48-second YouTube video showing Lewis, Carson, other Congressional Black Caucus members and staffers leaving the Capitol. Some of the group were videotaping the booing crowd.

Breitbart asked why the epithet was not captured by the black lawmakers' cameras, and why nobody reacted as if they had heard the slur. He also questioned whether the epithets could have been shouted by liberals planted in the crowd.

But the 48-second video was shot as the group was leaving the Capitol — at least one hour after Lewis, D-Ga., and Carson walked to the Capitol, which is when they said the slurs were used.

Questioned about using a video on his Web site from the wrong moment, Breitbart stood by his claim that the lawmakers were lying. "I'm not saying the video was conclusive proof," he said.

Lewis declined to discuss the issue with The Associated Press. Asked whether the epithet was used, his spokeswoman said: "Yes. Congressman Lewis did hear the N-word yelled from the crowd."

Carson described leaving the Cannon House Office Building for votes and bumping into Lewis in the elevator. They chose to walk outside to the Capitol, rather than through the underground tunnels.

Conservatives say Democrats staged a march through a hostile crowd to instigate a reaction. Carson said there was no such plan: It was just the first day of spring.

Soon after leaving Cannon, "I hear someone say it," said Carson, a former police officer. "You see one or two tea party people kind of look at him, and then you hear it again as we're walking. Then we walk across (Independence Avenue), and that's when it starts getting deeper."

Carson said he heard it coming from different places in the crowd. "You heard it in spurts, in the midst of 'Kill the bill. Kill the bill.'"

"One guy, I remember he just rattled it off several times. Then John looks at me and says, 'You know, this reminds me of a different time.'"

Cleaver, D-Mo., was walking a distance behind Carson and Lewis. He says he heard the epithet and was spit on. Capitol police handcuffed a man after Cleaver said he was spit on, but Cleaver told reporters that he did not want to press charges. No arrests were made. The moment was captured on video; debate continues over whether it shows any spitting.

In a separate case, Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who is gay, said he was called "faggot."

On Fox News, Bill O'Reilly discussed the issue on four of his shows, beginning March 22. The first segment led with clips from the 48-second video and featured Dana Loesch, a radio talk-show host who accused the congressmen of fabricating their claims.

O'Reilly said, "Just because it's not on tape doesn't mean it's fabricated." A spokeswoman said O'Reilly thinks that something happened, but is not sure exactly what.

A few days later, Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., told an audience, "No witness saw it, it's not on camera, it's not on audio."

Only 22 seconds of video have emerged from the time in question, filmed by Lee Fang of the liberal American Progress think tank. His YouTube clip — labeled as being filmed about five minutes after the crowd rushed Lewis and Carson — has been posted by Breitbart and dozens of blogs accusing Democrats of lying.

Fang told the AP he was standing "pretty far away" across Independence Avenue from the Cannon building when he saw the crowd erupt, so he hurried over. Fang did not hear the epithet, but he said he believes it was used. "The hatred was palpable," he said.

Conservatives insist the absence of racial epithets on Fang's video and the 48-second clip show there was no hate. "If it didn't happen on YouTube," says a regretful Fang, "it didn't happen at all."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100413/ap_on_re_us/us_n_word_feud;_ylt=Ar7u7EiN5v.m9wUiny5erq2s0NUE;_ ylu=X3oDMTFlYjVqMTVvBHBvcwM4NQRzZWMDYWNjb3JkaW9uX3 BvbGl0aWNzBHNsawN3cm9uZ3ZpZGVvb2Y-

Andrew Breitbart column: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/ap_on_re_us/storytext/us_n_word_feud/35795791/SIG=10m263kpr;_ylt=AmiGSUOwObQAac2YndEWR.BH2ocA;_y lu=X3oDMTFobDc0Ym9vBHBvcwM2BHNlYwN5bl9zdG9yeV9wcml udF9jb250ZW50BHNsawNodHRwYml0bHlhMDI-

Lee Fang's video: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/ap_on_re_us/storytext/us_n_word_feud/35795791/SIG=10mj1e02u;_ylt=AnA7Qvn30oto948MMe7ayoxH2ocA;_y lu=X3oDMTFoZXRxdWxwBHBvcwM3BHNlYwN5bl9zdG9yeV9wcml udF9jb250ZW50BHNsawNodHRwYml0bHk5N3Y-

Michelle Bachmann's comments: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/ap_on_re_us/storytext/us_n_word_feud/35795791/SIG=10mrk1k5p;_ylt=AlhVOhSaTa_b7p_PvyG7CyJH2ocA;_y lu=X3oDMTFobGYzYjg1BHBvcwM4BHNlYwN5bl9zdG9yeV9wcml udF9jb250ZW50BHNsawNodHRwYml0bHlid2U-

Jolie Rouge
04-13-2010, 08:33 AM
Believers in Smearacles: The Tea Party Crashers
Posted by: Sister Toldjah on April 13, 2010 at 8:49 am

As the deadline looms to file your taxes before the tax man cometh, so, too, does the reality that hardcore fare leftists will attempt to infiltrate the Tea Party’s nationwide Tax Day protests – in order to try and paint all of them as racist, homophobic thugs (surprise)
The Associated Press reports: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9F1PU2O0&show_article=1


ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) – Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, homophobic and moronic.
Jason Levin, creator of http://www.crashtheteaparty.org, said Monday the group has 65 leaders in major cities across the country who are trying to recruit members to infiltrate tea party events for April 15—tax filing day, when tea party groups across the country are planning to gather and protest high taxes.

“Every time we have someone on camera saying that Barack Obama isn’t an American citizen, we want someone sitting next to him saying, ‘That’s right, he’s an alien from outer space!’” Levin said.

Tea party members said the backlash comes from ignorance.

“They can’t actually debate our message and that’s their problem,” said Bob MacGuffie, a Connecticut organizer for Right Principles, a tea party group that also has members in New York and New Jersey.

The tea party movement generally unites on the fiscally conservative principles of small government, lower taxes and less spending. Beyond that the ideology of the people involved tends to vary dramatically.

Levin says they want to exaggerate the group’s least appealing qualities, further distance the tea party from mainstream America and damage the public’s opinion of them.

“Do I think every member of the tea party is a homophobe, racist or a moron? No, absolutely not,” Levin said. “Do I think most of them are homophobes, racists or morons? Absolutely.”

The site manifesto says they want to dismantle the Tea Party by nonviolent means. “We have already sat quietly in their meetings, and observed their rallies,” the site said.


My, oh, my. Wouldn’t one of Obama’s biggest influences, Saul Alkinsky, be so proud of these idiots?

Michelle Malkin’s written a more complete picture of the organized Tea Party Crasher movement, and various other Smearacle movements designed to smear any opposition to Obama as birther fanatics, mobsters, “un-American,” Astroturfers, fascists, terrorists, brownshirts, racists, assassins, and Neanderthals.

As I have said so many times before, specifically on the issue of of fake “hate crimes,” if opponents of liberal policies really were as evil and awful as the left makes them out to be, then they wouldn’t have to resort to making up things about them. That they do speaks volumes about these types of tactics, and not in a good way.

And while we’re on the topic, there’s a distinct difference in “infiltrating” a political gathering/movement and observing versus infiltrating it and pretending to be a part of it all the while plotting to make up and stage things about the movement that are untrue. That the far left has resorted to these types of tactics – “in your face” style tactics that candidate Obama himself argued in favor of both during the campaign and as President – is a strong indicator of the desperation of the far left as they try to push and shove and “deem” as acceptable socialist/fascist policies on the American pepole.

Except neither Obama nor his dutiful minions at left wing blogs and indy media sites (and their helpers in the mainstream media, for that matter)seem to have taken into account the inconvenient fact that the Tea Party movement is not just made up of conservatives but of a cross-section of people from all walks of life who are fed up with government intrusion into their lives via their income, taxes, their healthcare, their jobs, what they eat, etc. The more these Alinsky types try and pigeonhole and demonize this movement, the more likely that the electoral bloodbath predictions for this fall will become a reality. And you know what? I hope like hell that it does, because reality for these folks is a b*tch, and I can’t think of a more deserving bunch.

http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2010/04/13/believers-in-smearacles-the-tea-party-crashers/

Jolie Rouge
04-14-2010, 01:08 PM
Alinsky’s Avenging Angels: Tea Party Saboteurs

MM's syndicated column takes off on the post from earlier this week about the Tea Party crashers. More are coming out of their moonbat caves. JWF flags a corporate hospitality executive announcing his plans to “crash the Boston Tea Party of retards.” http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/04/hospitality-exec-plans-to-crash-boston.html

And in New Hampshire, the state Democrats are enlisting liberal activists to sabotage Tea Party Tax Day events: http://www.nowhampshire.com/2010/04/14/source-state-dems-scrambling-to-deploy-tea-party-'crashers'


Former Democratic State Party Chairman Kathy Sullivan is heading up the search, the source said. Sullivan has been calling and e-mailing liberal activists trying to get them to attend tea parties in different parts of the state and hold signs denying the authenticity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate and make racially disparaging comments to reporters. “This is Kathy’s [Sullivan] project,” the source told NowHampshire.com. “She is absolutely obsessed with painting the tea party people as racists.” Similar “crash the tea party” efforts are taking place throughout the country on Tax Day.

It’s the Alinsky way.


http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ZZ6773B3F51.jpg


One of the popular signs spotted at Tea Party protests across the country over the past year goes like this: “It doesn’t matter what this sign says. You’ll call it racism, anyway!” It’s a pithy, perfect rejoinder to the fusillade of attacks that limited-government activists have weathered from their Democratic detractors and a hostile national media. Committed Alinsky-ites never let reality get in the way of a good Tea Party-bashing narrative.

The radical acolytes of Chicago’s late left-wing organizer Saul Alinsky also understand the importance of manufacturing demons. “Before men can act,” Alinsky preached, “an issue must be polarized. Men will act when they are convinced their cause is 100 percent on the side of the angels, and that the opposition are 100 percent on the side of the devil.” This explains the left’s relentless campaign to sabotage the anti-tax, anti-bailout movement from Day One.

President Obama’s community organizing allies whispered “racist,” “fascist” and “fringe” in the earliest days of the stimulus demonstrations in January and February 2009, when hundreds of first-time protesters turned out on the streets in Washington State, Colorado, Arizona and Kansas. The whispers turned to hysterical screams as hundreds became thousands and thousands became millions of peaceful marchers who gathered for the first nationwide Tax Day Tea Party. Some fringe, huh?

The latest effort to smear Tea Partiers involves self-appointed agents provocateurs who are organizing a “Crash the Tea Party” ( http://crashtheteaparty.org/ ) campaign to discredit the April 15 Tax Day Tea Party by making up bogus racist signs and providing false portrayals of grassroots activists to the press. An online punk, Jason Levin, http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/21802 is spearheading the infiltration effort to “act on behalf of the Tea Party in ways which exaggerate their least appealing qualities” and “damage the public’s opinion of them.” Never mind that public opinion polls now show that the majority of Americans stand with the core principles of fiscal responsibility espoused by Tea Party activists.

Levin may be a lone wolf operator, but he has many fellow travelers in the Democratic establishment and left-wing fever swamps. And their efforts wouldn’t be possible without friendlies in the press who have openly insulted Tea Party activists with endless vulgar sexual taunts and Taliban comparisons.

A few months ago, Craig Varoga — a Washington-based Democratic political operative and overseer of a convoluted, money-shuffling web of political action committees — launched “TheTeaPartyisOver.org” to target Republicans who supported the Tea Party movement. The site declared that it would prevent the “radical” and “dangerous” fiscal accountability agenda from “gaining legislative traction.” Varoga’s money funneling is designed to obscure the Big Labor/progressive funding of his enterprises under the umbrella of his “American Public Policy Center (APPC).” ttp://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/10/fox-news-reports-on-union-attack-site-against-tea-parties/

After conservative blogs and Fox News exposed his deceptive web of grassroots groups, Varoga password-protected his website so that the Democratic plotting against Tea Party activists could be conducted out of view.

I speak from direct experience about the underhandedness of Tea Party smear merchants. On Feb. 17, 2009, at one of the country’s first tax revolt rallies in Denver, a man approached me amid a throng of bona fide anti-stimulus protesters and thrust a camera in my face. I obliged cheerfully, as I usually do after such speaking events. I later learned from the character assassins at Progress Now, a left-wing outfit that just happened to be there and just happened to snap a close-up photo of the interaction, that the man pulled out a sign at the last minute (which I didn’t see until later) sporting Obama’s name with a swastika on it. He held the sign away from me, but in direct view of the Progress Now cameraperson.

That cameraperson just happened to be a former CNN producer, whose blog post on the photo just happened to be immediately disseminated by the local press and to the hit men at the radical-left Media Matters website. The narrative was set: A conservative supporter of the nascent Tea Party movement posed for a photo with a man holding up a swastika at a protest against out-of-control spending! Ergo, the anti-stimulus protesters and the entire Tea Party membership are all racist, fascist menaces to society! http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/17/nutroots-suddenly-hypersensitive-about-nazipresident-comparisons/

Fast-forward to April 2010. Alinsky’s avenging angels have declared open warfare on April 15. Will they be enabled again by “mainstream journalists” who have turned their Tea Party reporting assignments into search-and-destroy missions? The signs point to yes.

***

On a related note: Racial taunts at a recent Tea Party rally: “White boy!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC98rZKBOP8&feature=player_embedded

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/04/14/alinskys-avenging-angels-tea-party-saboteurs/

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Conservative blogs and talk radio have spread the word about possible shenanigans promoted by Levin, including this: http://crashtheteaparty.org/


"We will act on behalf of the Tea Party in ways which exaggerate their least appealing qualities (misspelled protest signs, wild claims in TV interviews, etc.) to further distance them from mainstream America and damage the public’s opinion of them. We will also use the inside information that we have gained in order to disrupt and derail their plans.”

Levin registered his site under a phony name on April 3, 2010. He’s just the latest in a long line of left-wing leeches and anarchist clowns trying to discredit Tea Party activism and mask their roles as agents provocateur.

Last month, it was nutballs on the rabble-rousing “Infoshop News” site. Like Levin, they tried to cover up by deleting their call to sabotage. But the fingerprints have been preserved through screen-caps and caches:

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/infos.jpg

Before them, it was Craig Varoga — a shady Democrat political operative and overseer of a convoluted, money-shuffling web of 527s. He launched “TheTeaPartyisOver.org” in January to target Republicans who supported the Tea Party movement and to prevent the “radical” and “dangerous” fiscal accountability agenda from “gaining legislative traction.” Here’s a screencap of Varoga’s site:

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Jolie Rouge
04-14-2010, 01:10 PM
Crash course: Your illustrated guide to the Tea Party saboteurs
By Michelle Malkin • April 12, 2010 06:36 AM

The one-year anniversary of the nationwide April 15 Tax Day Tea Party counterinsurgency is fast approaching — and publicity-seeking malefactors of all stripes want in on the spotlight.

Over the last week, conservative activists online have thoroughly exposed the loser behind an Internet call to “Crash the Tea Party.” His name is Jason Levin. To follow his trail, check Free Republic here, Canada Free Press here, and Velvet Hammer here. After failing to cover his tracks, Levin is now basking in the glow of attention on his tpartycrasher Twitter page and on his personal Twitter page (where he brags that he has hit the big time and “gone viral:”)





He’s infected alright — with an acute case of Wannabefamousitis.

Conservative blogs and talk radio have spread the word about possible shenanigans promoted by Levin, including this:

“We will act on behalf of the Tea Party in ways which exaggerate their least appealing qualities (misspelled protest signs, wild claims in TV interviews, etc.) to further distance them from mainstream America and damage the public’s opinion of them. We will also use the inside information that we have gained in order to disrupt and derail their plans.”
Levin registered his site under a phony name on April 3, 2010. He’s just the latest in a long line of left-wing leeches and anarchist clowns trying to discredit Tea Party activism and mask their roles as agents provocateur.

Last month, it was nutballs on the rabble-rousing “Infoshop News” site. Like Levin, they tried to cover up by deleting their call to sabotage. But the fingerprints have been preserved through screen-caps and caches:



Before them, it was Craig Varoga — a shady Democrat political operative and overseer of a convoluted, money-shuffling web of 527s. He launched “TheTeaPartyisOver.org” in January to target Republicans who supported the Tea Party movement and to prevent the “radical” and “dangerous” fiscal accountability agenda from “gaining legislative traction.” Here’s a screencap of Varoga’s site:



Free Republic, Ed Morrissey, Lee Doren, the American Thinker, Fox News, and NPR (yes, NPR!) have all reported on Varoga’s funneling schemes designed to obscure the Big Labor/progressive funding of his Astroturf enterprises under the “American Public Policy Center (APPC)” umbrella. Via FNC’s Joseph Abrams: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/09/anti-tea-party-web-site-scheme-funnel-funds/


Here’s how it works: What appears like a local groundswell is in fact the creation of two men — Craig Varoga and George Rakis, Democratic Party strategists who have set up a number of so-called 527 groups, the non-profit election organizations that hammer on contentious issues (think Swift Boats, for example).

Varoga and Rakis keep a central mailing address in Washington, pulling in soft money contributions from unions and other well-padded sources to engage in what amounts to a legal laundering system. The money — tens of millions of dollars — gets circulated around to different states by the 527s, which pay for TV ads, Internet campaigns and lobbyist salaries, all while keeping the hands of the unions clean — for the most part.

The system helps hide the true sources of funding, giving the appearance of locally bred opposition in states from Oklahoma to New Jersey, or in the case of the Tea Party Web site, in Illinois. And this whitewash is entirely legal, say election law experts, who told FoxNews.com that this arrangement more or less the norm in Washington. “It’s not illegal but it is, I think, dishonest on the part of the organizations,” said Paul Ryan, a legal counsel at the Campaign Legal Center. “And there’s a reason they do it: they know voters don’t like outsiders coming in to sway the vote.”

Calls and e-mails to the Maryland-based consultant firm Independent Strategies, run by Varoga and Rakis, were not returned.

Outside of that firm, the center of their activity appears to be a single office in Southeast D.C. — 300 M Street, Suite 1102 — which plays host to a sprawling political shell game they have established. Public records show at least seven political shops listed in Suite 1102, most of which are essentially clones of one another, but all of which have offered money — from measly thousands to game-changing millions — in state-level elections across the country…

You will not be surprised to learn that Varoga’s Tea Party-bashing site is now password-protected so that the Democrat-run plotting against Tea Party activists can be conducted out of sight:

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As those of us who have covered the Tea Party movement before it was even called the “Tea Party” movement have pointed out for more than a year, the saboteurs who have tried to smear these tax revolt protests come in all shapes and sizes. Look at Bob Beckel. On April 6, 2009, Beckel insinuated that Montana Tea Party folks were all gun-toting wackos and he recycled the false and illogical rumors that the grass-roots movement was directed from the GOP, national tax groups, and CNBC.

Yep. Remember that one?

It was one of the first attacks on the fledgling Tea Party movement, started by Playboy.com and disseminated on left-wing blogs. They spread loony conspiracy theories that the Koch Foundation orchestrated the Tea Party movement in cahoots with CNBC’s Rick Santelli. Never mind that the anti-pork revolts that laid the foundation for the nationwide Tax Day Tea Party preceded Santelli’s speech on the Chicago trading floor and had nothing to do with either Koch or Santelli. Never mind that the only news outlet paying any meaningful attention to the movement back then outside of conservative blogs and talk radio was Fox News.

Oh, and never mind that Playboy was forced to quietly abandon the moronic attack and tried to cover it up by deleting the column from its website. You can, however, read the whole fantasy-land screed here to refresh your memories.

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For their part, the illogical fools at the Daily Kos who parroted Playboy and blamed CNBC for propping up the Tea Party movement didn’t even bother to erase their tracks.

Who’s keeping score in the MSM anyway, right?

I speak from direct experience about the underhandedness of Tea Party smear merchants. On February 17, 2009 at one of the country’s first tax revolt rallies in Denver, a man approached me amid a throng of bona fide anti-stimulus protesters and thrust a camera in my face. I obliged cheerfully, as I usually do after such speaking events. I later learned from the character assassins at Progress Now, the Soros-backed outfit that just happened to be there and just happened to snap a close-up photo of the interaction, which was immediately disseminated to the local press and to the hitmen of Media Matters, that the man pulled out a sign at the last minute (which I didn’t see until later) sporting Obama’s name with a swastika on it. He held the sign away from me, but in direct view of the Progress Now cameraperson who used to work for CNN.

Never mind the Left’s Bush=Nazi hypocrisy and the uncanny, instantaneous manufactured outrage. The narrative was set: A conservative supporter of the nascent Tea Party movement posed for a photo with a man holding up a swastika at a protest against out-of-control spending! Ergo, the stimulus protesters and the entire Tea Party membership are all racist, fascist menaces to society!

Now, we’ve come full circle from a swastika sign “scandal” fomented by Tea Party saboteurs to distract from the core policy message at the Denver anti-stimulus protest last February… to the creepily similar tactics advocated by “Crash the Party” instigator Jason Levin to “act on behalf of the Tea Party in ways which exaggerate their least appealing qualities…to further distance them from mainstream America and damage the public’s opinion of them.”






http://michellemalkin.com/2010/04/12/crash-course-your-illustrated-guide-to-the-tea-party-saboteurs/

Jolie Rouge
04-14-2010, 01:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1byTDgu7iA&feature=player_embedded

Jolie Rouge
04-14-2010, 01:35 PM
Running scared: NH Dem source says state liberals trying to recruit Tea Party crashers
Posted by: Sister Toldjah on April 14, 2010 at 9:10 am
http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2010/04/14/running-scared-nh-dem-source-says-state-liberals-trying-to-recruit-tea-party-crashers/

It’s not just creeptastic liberal “activists” who are getting in on the act of trying to sabotage the Tea Party movement. Apparently state Democrats in NH are as well. NOW! Hampshire reports (via Memeorandum): http://www.nowhampshire.com/2010/04/14/source-state-dems-scrambling-to-deploy-tea-party-‘crashers’/ http://www.memeorandum.com/100414/p19#a100414p19


New Hampshire Democrats are engaged in a statewide search for liberal activists willing to attend so-called tea parties on Thursday and carry signs expressing racist or fringe sentiments, a Democratic source with knowledge of the effort tells NowHampshire.com.

According to the source, who sought anonymity for fear of reprisals, the Dems’ last minute scramble reflects a growing obsession among party leaders that they need to discredit the tea party movement soon or it will overwhelm them come the November election.

Former Democratic State Party Chairman Kathy Sullivan is heading up the search, the source said. Sullivan has been calling and e-mailing liberal activists trying to get them to attend tea parties in different parts of the state and hold signs denying the authenticity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate and make racially disparaging comments to reporters.

“This is Kathy’s [Sullivan] project,” the source told NowHampshire.com. “She is absolutely obsessed with painting the tea party people as racists.”

Similar “crash the tea party” efforts are taking place throughout the country on Tax Day.

If she pulls it off, this won’t be the first time Sullivan has endeavored to manufacture a racist controversy regarding the tea party movement. Last month Sullivan and other Democratic leaders attempted to portray a “white pride” rally in Concord held by a Massachusetts-based white supremacist organization as a tea party. Sullivan was forced to retract her bogus accusation.

JammieWearingFool responds : http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/04/she-is-absolutely-obsessed-with.html


Is this the best you Democrats can do?

If you think about it for a second, if Tea Partiers were the racist they’re being portrayed as, then why would these sneaky Democrats have to bus people in to pretend to be racist Tea Partiers? Taken further, why would Democrats know how to be “racist”? Does it just come natural to them?

Do they think this pathetic behavior is going to win them votes in November?

sure hope they think that. Because the more they do this, the more they are going to be exposed – maybe not so much by the MSM, but by conservative citizen journalists who are fed up with the bogus portrayals by both the media and prominent liberal pundits and bloggers of Obama opponents as “racist Rethuglicans” who believe “Obama is Hitler.”

The Good Lt. has some strong words and advice: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201996.php


So here’s what you do – charge your batteries, set your video recorders to TRUTH and shoot away. Make sure your batteries are charged, because the really dedicated trolls will be trying to make trouble all day. I suggest that if you catch one of these pr*cks doing what they’re claiming they’re going to do, follow them around for the rest of the day with a video camera and don’t let them out of your sight.

If you see these clods talking to reporters, bust up their interviews, give handouts to the reporters and make sure the journalists are never alone with these people. Chances are that the journalists will be sympathetic to the O-bots, so it’s incumbent upon you to make sure these little leftist Obama bootlicker creeps do NOT go unchallenged at any time in front of the media.

And on that note, if you’re interested in going to the Charlotte Tea Party rally tomorrow, click here to find out the where and when. I’ll be working tomorrow but will be with Charlotte Tea Partiers in spirit and will be on stand by later in the evening for photos, videos, and recaps. For more info on where tax day Tea Parties will be held across the country, click here.

Stay safe, have fun, and make your voice heard!

Related: Jon Ham blogs about a regulation put in place by the Capitol Police in Raleigh that states protesters can’t carry flags with flagpoles more than a foot in length due to ‘concerns’ they could be used as weapons : http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/04/14/436137/flag-waving-harder-at-capitol.html


The ban on flagpoles and signs with posts that could be turned into weapons was added in September to the permit from the N.C. Department of Administration that groups need to hold demonstrations or events on state-operated grounds.

The rule states that demonstration participants can’t carry “signs, banners, posters and other similar displays” attached to metal, wood or plastic posts. That includes flagpoles more than a foot in length, according to Jill Lucas, a department spokeswoman.

Doing so would invalidate the permit and mean police could shut down an event, said [Chief of Police Scott] Hunter, who drafted the restriction. Hunter said that the measure was adopted to protect people, not to infringe upon their rights.

That’s strange, because the only times I ever see flags used as weapons is when radical leftists set fire to them.

Whatevs.

Jolie Rouge
04-14-2010, 01:58 PM
The best way to prove that a group of people you don’t like are crazy racists is to pretend to be one of those people and do crazy, racist stuff...

By Jim Treacher | Published: 04/14/10 at 2:08 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2010/04/14/the-best-way-to-prove-that-a-group-of-people-you-dont-like-are-crazy-racists-is-to-pretend-to-be-one-of-those-people-and-do-crazy-racist-stuff/

In that spirit, here comes www.crashtheteaparty.org! Their mission statement:


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Making a public announcement that you’re going to infiltrate these rallies is a really good idea. Wait, no, what’s the opposite of good? Bad, it’s a bad idea. At least if you really want to pull it off. Because now, whenever the news points out some Tea Partier saying something they don’t like, all the other Tea Partiers can just claim it’s one of these “Crash the Tea Party” geniuses. “Hey, they said they were gonna do this stuff…”

The brainiac behind it is a guy named Jason Levin. Which I know because his own Twitter feed links to the evidence at Verum Serum (follow the links)... http://twitter.com/tpartycrasher http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13938

If you can’t make your enemies go away by ignoring them, call them racists. And if you can’t provide any evidence for your accusations of racism, just manufacture some. And you can always justify it to yourself, because if they’re not bad people, why don’t you like them?

P.S. It just keeps getting better: Jason Levin is a middle school teacher. http://dailycaller.com/2010/04/14/tea-party-trickster-may-be-sent-to-the-principal’s-office/


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/04/14/the-best-way-to-prove-that-a-group-of-people-you-dont-like-are-crazy-racists-is-to-pretend-to-be-one-of-those-people-and-do-crazy-racist-stuff/#ixzz0l78q5Jh8



Just goes to the Finge mentality...

Jolie Rouge
04-15-2010, 09:31 AM
Tea party leaders anxious about extremists
By David A. Lieb, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 38 mins ago

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. – Organizers of tax-day tea parties are preparing for their biggest day of the year Thursday, as thousands of demonstrators participate in local rallies against high taxes and big government spending. But the leaders are striving to keep the rallies from presenting another image: one of fringe groups, extremists or infiltrators obsessed with hateful messages.

Sensitive that poor public perception could sink their movement, some rally planners have uninvited controversial speakers, beefed up security and urged participants to pack cameras to capture evidence of any disrupters. Organizers want to project a peaceful image of people upset by what they consider to be a growing and burdensome federal government.

"We don't want to be misrepresented, whether it's by someone who is not part of the group and has their own agenda, or whether it's by some fringe extremist who may actually be a racist," said Jim Hoft, a political blogger and tea party activist who is one of the speakers for a rally in suburban St. Louis.

The National Tea Party Federation, a newly formed coalition of regional tea party groups, estimates that between 1,700 and 2,000 tax-day rallies are occurring Thursday in communities across the country.

"What's at stake is showing various government officials of both parties that people are concerned," said Tim Hagle, an associate political science professor at the University of Iowa. "That's why it's important that you don't have distractions from people who are interlopers of one sort or another."

The tea party took a recent publicity hit when three black Democratic congressmen said they heard racial slurs as they walked through thousands of health care protesters — many of them tea party activists — outside the U.S. Capitol on March 20. Some conservatives and tea party leaders insist it never happened.

But it's not the only racially charged incident. A photo posted on Flickr, which has attracted Internet chatter, shows a white man carrying a sign that says: "Obama's Plan White Slavery." The photo claims to have been shot at a tea party rally last year in Madison, Wis.

At a tea party rally Tuesday in Jefferson City, a couple of people wore T-shirts depicting President Barack Obama in white face paint above the word "Joker" — a reference to the villain in a Batman movie.

Some tea party organizers have taken steps to distance themselves from those espousing potentially controversial views.

The Waco, Texas, tea party started hiring off-duty police officers and renting their venues so that they could keep extremists out of their main events. The change happened after a group showed up with racist signs in a gathering in a public park.

"They tried to insist they were tea party members," said Toby Marie Walker, president of the Waco Tea Party. But she added: "Our tea party people would not hold signs like that."

At least two local tea party groups have shunned speakers who originally were scheduled for Thursday's rallies.

Alabama attorney John Eidsmoe, who has spoken previously to white supremacists, withdrew from a tea party rally in Wausau, Wis., after organizers questioned his views. Coordinators of a tax-day rally in Pleasanton, Calif., rescinded the speaking invitation of Orly Taitz, an attorney who has filed lawsuits claiming Obama was not born in the U.S. and is ineligible to be president.

Tea party leaders also are concerned that opponents may pose as tea party participants and cause a ruckus to damage the reputation of the movement. A Web site has urged people to "crash the tea party" to draw attention to the party's least appealing qualities.

The National Tea Party Federation is urging rally participants to point cameras at anyone acting obnoxious or hateful. The intent is to reprimand true tea party activists, disavow fringe followers or reveal the people as plants by opponents.

Cindy Maves, who put together a tea party rally at a park in Rochester, Minn., said organizers have brought in more security and put local police on alert. "We just want to make sure the press isn't covering these people thinking they're us," she said.

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Jolie Rouge
04-15-2010, 08:48 PM
Obama makes light of anti-tax protests
By Erica Werner, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 15 mins ago

MIAMI – President Barack Obama said Thursday he's amused by the anti-tax tea party protests that have been taking place around Tax Day.

Obama told a fundraiser in Miami that he's cut taxes, contrary to the claims of protesters.

"You would think they'd be saying thank you," he said.

At that, many in the crowd at the Adrienne Arsht Center for the Performing Arts stood and yelled, "Thank you!"

The fundraiser was one of two Obama held after a speech at Cape Canaveral on his administration's space policy. The other was hosted by Gloria and Emilio Estefan, a $30,400-per-couple fete that stirred some controversy in the traditionally Republican Cuban-American community. Together, the events raised $2.5 million for the Democratic National Committee.

In introducing Obama, Gloria Estefan said her father would have been proud to know that his daughter was hosting a president who had called for an end to repression in Cuba and the release of all political prisoners there.

"The beauty of this amazing nation is that anything is possible," she said. "Even hosting a very political evening to get the 'ear' of my president when I am politically nonaffiliated, but the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. put it succinctly when he said, 'We may have all come on different ships, but we're in the same boat now.'"

DNC Chairman Tim Kaine spoke before Obama and delivered a sobering assessment of the party's chances in the November midterm elections, noting that the party in power traditionally sustains losses in the midterms.

"There are a lot of prognosticators who are saying this is going to be a very tough year for the Democrats," Kaine said.

"We sort of have to assume that we're running into a headwind," Kaine said, but he contended Democrats were accustomed to being underdogs.

Obama called on Republicans and Democrats to come together to pass strong financial regulation legislation. He said every member of Congress would have to decide "between special interests and the American people."

Obama cheered the special-election victory of Florida Democratic state Sen. Ted Deutch in Tuesday's special election to replace retiring Democratic Rep. Robert Wexler. It was the first House election since passage of his controversial health care bill and Obama noted that commentators viewed the election as a referendum on that legislation or on Obama himself.

"And it was!" he said.

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Jolie Rouge
04-24-2010, 09:07 PM
Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck are not guilty of sedition -- but over-the-top 'tea-party' rhetoric doesn’t help
By Nicole Hemmer Fri Apr 23, 11:00 am ET

Charlottesville, Va. – Sedition. The word is all the rage as the nation commemorated the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing this week amid tumultuous times: a historic recession, massive deficits, nationwide “tea party” protests. As memories of the domestic terror attack resurface, critics of those tea party protests have shifted the debate from “racist or not?” to “seditious or not?”

Joe Klein of Time magazine recently made headlines when he said that comments by tea party advocates Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin “rub right up close to being seditious.”

Mr. Klein later explained that their sedition sprang not from dissenting, but from questioning the administration’s legitimacy. But even clarified, Klein’s position is troubling. Mr. Beck, Ms. Palin, and the protesters they rally are not engaged in sedition, and in making the charge, Klein not only waters down the true meaning of sedition but legitimizes it as a weapon against political opponents.

In a democratic country dedicated to freedoms of speech and press, sedition – inciting rebellion against the state – presents a conundrum. Where does legitimate, protected opposition end and sedition begin?

Historically, the bar has been set pretty low: Speech protected today almost always amounted to sedition in years past. The Sedition Act of 1798 criminalized “malicious writing” against the government, in large part to tamp down criticism against President John Adams and the Federalist government. Under its provisions, Revolutionary War veteran David Brown spent 18 months in jail for erecting a sign denouncing the Sedition Act and supporting Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote the right of revolution into the Declaration of Independence.

During World War I, a new Sedition Act helped dissuade antiwar activists and landed Socialist politician Eugene Debs in jail. Revealing Americans’ uneasiness with political prisoners, Debs was allowed to run for president from his cell, winning nearly a million votes. A generation later, Franklin Roosevelt’s administration saw sedition in the very DNA of Japanese-Americans, sending them to internment camps in the western deserts for the duration of World War II.

Sedition, then, has been broadly construed in America’s past. But with the rise of civil liberty protections in the last half of the 20th century, speech has been given much looser rein. Even the USA Patriot Act, which had any number of liberty-limiting provisions, rarely constrained freedoms of speech and press outright.

Painting the tea party protesters or right-wing commentators as seditious, then, takes the nation a step back to a more restricted past, when dissent was criminalized. Dissent, not sedition, because whatever Klein might say, Beck and Palin are not advocating violent insurrection. Indeed, over the past few years Beck has repeatedly counseled his audience not to act violently.

The tea party protests that Beck and Palin support are not even particularly radical in their means. They argue for the ballot, not the bullet. They gather, mostly peaceably, for noisy but contained protests. And they don’t even challenge the two-party system: According to a recent New York Times poll, tea partyers are less likely than other Americans to support a third party.

So why the confusion? In part, debate about the tea parties is muddled by fringe actions that are, in fact, seditious. That actual seditious activity is occurring, though, is all the more reason to take care with the word, so we can recognize and deal with the real thing when it occurs.

Protesting outside Congress? Not seditious. Threatening Congress members’ lives? Seditious. Painting apocalyptic fairy tales, as Beck does? Not seditious. Planning an armed militia to ward off the federal government, as an Oklahoma tea party group was? Seditious.

This is not to say that Beck, Palin, and other tea party speakers are blameless. They may not be committing sedition, but their overheated, often stunningly fictional rhetoric doesn’t help matters. It may gin up their base, but intimating that President Obama may suspend elections or suggesting that the government is coming for Grandma makes meaningful debate difficult. Such talk sets up real barriers to solving the nation’s problems at a time when America can ill afford to spend time on unserious matters. But to equate over-the-top rhetoric with sedition goes too far: When it comes to weighing free speech versus sedition, we should err on the side of freedom.

Nor is the outrage emanating from the right in the wake of Klein’s comments wholly justified. Conservative commentators have cried sedition plenty of times, as when Michelle Malkin called Students Against War members seditious in 2006. And when a Veterans Affairs nurse criticized President George W. Bush’s handling of the Iraq war and hurricane Katrina in a letter to the editor, she faced a sedition investigation for her legitimate opposition.

For Americans of every political stripe, then, the lesson is the same: Sedition is a serious charge for a serious act. We should retire it as a label for nonviolent political speech, however flawed.

Nicole Hemmer is a lecturer at Manchester College and a PhD candidate in history at Columbia University. She is writing a history of conservative media.

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SEDITION ?? For for using our freedom of speech? Thats right ... Obama is President i forgot.


Over the top is not coming from the Tea Party, it is coming from our career politicians. Term Limits for all of them!

Jolie Rouge
04-24-2010, 09:13 PM
'Tea party' founder: Why our movement will succeed -- and why it's good for America
By Bill Hennessy Fri Apr 23, 10:40 am ET

St. Louis – Imagine that the “tea party” movement continued to expand in size and influence. At some point in the future, tea partyers, regardless of political party affiliation, would dominate the executive and legislative branches of federal government. Our influence on the courts would increase. In this scenario, the tea party would eventually change the face of the federal government.

What would America look like then?

Before we answer that question, remember that no single person speaks for the tea party movement. Tea partyers hold political views that run the gamut from traditional Christian conservative to libertarian. We can’t describe a tea party future without answering the question, “Which tea partyer are you talking about?”

If we select the most common points of agreement, however, we can paint a fairly accurate picture of the changes tea partyers would likely make to our government and how those changes could alter your relationship to Washington. First let’s look at the most common themes among tea partyers.

While many local tea party organizations involve themselves in local or state issues and races, the movement’s primary interest lies in Washington. Nearly 8 in 10 Americans distrust the federal government, according to a recent Pew Research Center poll. Among tea partyers, that statistic is closer to 9 in 10. That’s important because it highlights a very important common theme: a libertarian view of Washington’s role.

Tea partyers would reduce the scope of federal power in two ways. First, we would trim federal legislation, reducing the Federal Register – the daily publication of federal rules, regulations, orders, and notices – from more than 69,000 pages to, say, 10,000 pages, as it was in 1950. Second, we would eliminate the legislative power of federal departments and agencies. The Environmental Protection Agency would no longer be able to declare the mud puddle in my backyard federally protected wetlands citing nothing more than bureaucratic fiat.

For you, this means that Washington would have less direct influence over your life. You could plan for the future knowing that your property is your property. You would not need a Washington bureaucrat’s permission to paint your house blue or to put in a swimming pool. You would not have to buy government-approved health insurance or drive a government-made car.

This change will significantly increase your personal political power. Today, Washington has undue influence over your life. And changing federal law is nearly impossible. You either have to hire an expensive team of lobbyists or convince at least half of all Americans voters to support the candidates for Congress who support your idea of reform. Do you have that kind of time and money?

Tea partyers want to restore the balance of power in America, making state and local governments more important than the federal government, as was intended by the US Constitution, and which was the case for the first half of US history. Under this arrangement, the number of people you’d need to influence to change the law drops quickly. Federalism and a smaller national government means individuals carry more power.

The Constitution lists a very limited number of activities that the United States may perform on our behalf. The tea party movement would implement a plan to phase out those activities, departments, and agencies that came about outside the amendment process of the Constitution. Expect to see the departments of Education, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, and Veterans Affairs disappear over time. Homeland Security, which comprises some legitimate activities, would be splintered into more manageable parts.

If we want to hold on to an existing department whose mission is beyond the constitutional roles of government, then Congress and the states would have to adopt a constitutional amendment to establish that new power.

For you, this would mean far less dependency on a faceless Washington bureaucrat. No more “No Child Left Behind” dictates that teach 20th-century lessons to 21st-century students. As with all of the tea party’s ideas, this one leaves you freer than you started out.

The tea party movement is most closely associated with anger over bailouts, taxes, spending, and debt. But the financial problems our government faces are symptoms of the problems addressed earlier. Reducing the government’s onerous and unsustainable spending is both an objective and a consequence of the changes above.

In 1949, federal spending equaled 14 percent of gross domestic product (GDP); in 2009, the government spent 25 percent of GDP, a 70 percent increase. According to the Congressional Budget Office, by 2019, the national debt will equal 90 percent of GDP, a tipping point associated with harmfully slower economic growth, according to economists Kenneth Rogoff and Carmen Reinhart. We aim to stop that.

Outside of defense spending, the three largest items in the federal budget – Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid – would be phased out unless proponents could muster support for a constitutional amendment. These extra-constitutional programs amount to massive Ponzi schemes that fall apart without significant population growth. I would propose phasing these programs out by age, with anyone at or near retirement receiving full benefits. We want to keep the previous generation’s promise to retirees, even if that promise was illegitimate.

For you, this change means a more secure financial future, a better education for your kids, and more predictable retirement. Eventually, your federal tax burden would ease significantly. Reduced federal spending will reduce the annual budget deficits and allow us to begin paying down our nation’s massive debt.

Since 2008, the American people have paid off more personal debt than we’ve taken on. It’s time for government to apply this simple practice of household finance.

While I don’t pretend to speak for all tea partyers, I believe these reforms represent a common theme among the various factions that make up the larger tea party movement. These themes – increased personal power, a smaller federal government, fiscal responsibility, and lower taxes – carry a lot of power in the American psyche.

As tea partyers learn to translate passion and energy into electoral success this fall, we will stop and reverse our country’s recent sprint toward socialism – a sprint never authorized by the Constitution. These principles will result in some victories in 2010 and even more success in 2012 and beyond.

To ensure victory in the fall, we have formed our own political action committees and political nonprofits. These organizations give grass-roots conservatives a stronger voice in the political process.

In St. Louis, we are spreading the word by creating hundreds of tea party block captains who will recruit small teams to visit every home in the area before Election Day.

These teams will deliver a simple message and a copy of the United States Constitution, asking the people they visit to read that document and decide for themselves whether or not our government is protecting or infringing on our rights and our national promise.

Finally, I know the tea party movement will succeed because of the people who support it. When my cofounder, Dana Loesch, and I planned the first St. Louis tea party in February 2009, we hoped for a crowd of 50.

To our delight, more than 1,000 patriots filled the steps of the Gateway Arch on the banks of the Mississippi. Since then, the people of this tea party have continued to organize, influence, and grow.

Together, we are simply pilgrims on the road to that Shining City on a Hill, and we will not rest until we get there.

Bill Hennessy is a software manager, author of “The Conservative Manifesto,” and the cofounder of the St. Louis Tea Party.

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Jolie Rouge
04-24-2010, 09:14 PM
'Tea party' activists: Do they hate liberals more than they love liberty?
By James Bovard Fri Apr 23, 10:05 am ET

Rockville, Md. – Many “tea party” activists staunchly oppose big government, except when it is warring, wiretapping, or waterboarding. A movement that started out denouncing government power apparently has no beef with some of the worst abuses of modern times.

Unfortunately, there is scant evidence that most tea partyers have studied the copies of the Constitution they generously hand out to bystanders.

At a Tax Day tea party in Rockville, Md., the speaking venue was draped with a huge banner: “Tired of Big Government?” Members of the “Tyranny Response Team” stood near the front of the rally with their official blue T-shirts. Giant American flags and ones with “Don’t Tread on Me” (with a coiled rattlesnake) were carried around by men with tri-corn hats. Political campaigns busily sold “9/11 Remembrance” bracelets.

And yet, the crowd of 300 seemed most outraged that the US government is not being sufficiently aggressive in using its power.

Ken Timmerman, the author of “Preachers of Hate: Islam and the War on America” and other hawkish books, declaimed that the US government must take every step to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. Mr. Timmerman denounced the Obama administration for being soft on Tehran and urged support for legislation to impose harsh sanctions on Iran. Timmerman previously advocated a US naval blockade of Iran, which he claimed was planning a nuclear attack on the United States.

Running through a litany of President Obama’s greatest failings, Timmerman denounced him for forcing US agents to “stop using enhanced interrogation methods. Has that made us safer?”

“No!” the crowd hollered indignantly.

Jeffrey Kuhner, a local talk-show host, sneered that Obama “has found his inner Muslim” and raged against his bowing to foreign leaders and kings. He complained that Obama has “taken over college loans,” and warned that illegal immigrants could be “the shock troops of Obama’s socialist revolution.” The crowd ate it up.

One of the MCs gushed about how he and everyone else in the crowd loved the police. There was not a word spoken about the video released earlier that week showing a nearby horrendous police beating of an innocent University of Maryland college student.

The rally featured a string of Republican candidates praising fiscal responsibility and denouncing the national debt. One would have thought that it had been 50 years, rather than 15 months, since the Republicans controlled the White House.

There was almost no dissent from any of the 300 attendees. One 50-something man in a faded green T-shirt walked around with a handmade sign declaring, “Stop the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan – Bring Our Troops Home Now!” He told me that almost no one he’d talked agreed with his message.

Much more in tune with the crowd was the 20-something woman carrying a sign: “PROUD to be the Military Super Power.”

The fact that the cost of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq thus far roughly equals the projected cost of the first decade of Obama’s health-care program is irrelevant. Military spending is viewed as holy water by many activists who otherwise despise Washington. While tea party activists rage over Obama’s alleged lies, they ignore the Bush administration’s deceptive justification to attack Iraq.

None of the speakers criticized the warrantless wiretaps that the National Security Agency began during the Bush administration. The feds’ vacuuming up thousands of Americans’ phone calls and e-mails without a warrant seems to be a nonissue for these folks. Perhaps some tea party leaders hope that Republicans will soon be in position to use such powers to surveil the left.

There are many decent Americans who understandably feel that the government has become too powerful and oppressive. Yet, seeking enlightenment from most tea party speakers is like searching in a dark room for a black cat that isn’t there.

Many of the attendees seemed to hate liberals far more than they loved liberty. A CBS/New York Times poll conducted in April showed that two-thirds of tea party members have a favorable opinion of Sarah Palin, and 57 percent have a favorable opinion of George W. Bush. Denouncing big government while approving of President Bush is like denouncing immodesty while sunning oneself on a nude beach. After all, it was Bush who championed the prescription drug benefit for seniors that adds $7 trillion to Washington’s unfunded liabilities.

Some of the Republican incumbents endorsed by tea party organizations have been champions of “enhanced interrogation.” As long as the feds don’t announce specific plans to begin torturing card-carrying conservative activists, why worry?

If tea party activists cannot vigorously oppose torture and other high crimes, then counting on them to stalwartly resist any government policy that doesn’t mulct their paycheck is folly.

America needs real champions of freedom – not poorly informed Republican accomplices. Either tea partyers should become more principled or they should ditch their Gadsden flags and wear T-shirts of the lobbying group that organizes the rally they attend.

James Bovard is the author of “Attention Deficit Democracy,” “Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty,” and other books. He’s also a policy adviser to the Future of Freedom Foundation.

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I would like to thank the Christian Science Monitor. Until I was exposed to this diatribe I failed to realize the Tea Party movement was Pro War Movement. I need to think more 'in the box' than I have been. Perhaps everything can be seen from this perspective. Guess I need to increase my awareness and smoke something a little more powerful.


The federal government is suppose to take care of us against the foreign aggressors.

The Federal government is suppose to let the individual states take care of their own people.

That is what is meant by smaller limited government.


The people that attend the Tea Party rallies believe they no longer have representation from their elected officials. They are rallying together to change this.

The Tea Party movement believe that each person owns his own life and the fruits of his labors, and has the right to make his own choices as to how he lives his life, including living with the consequences of his choices, both good and bad and as long as he respects the right of others to do the same.

This means they are seeking smaller Federal Government. They don't want it to run their lives and they seek less Tax. They don’t want the Federal Government to dictate to them how they will live their lives.

If they gather to express this and only take action by voting their representatives out of office that don’t represent them (regardless of party affiliation), why then should they be call terrorist for exercising their constitutional rights?

Jolie Rouge
10-14-2013, 01:52 PM
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Jolie Rouge
04-19-2014, 02:50 PM
Nazi Holocaust Survivor Speaks Of Nazification of United States
Published on Jun 24, 2013
Nazi survivor Kitty Werthmann speaks of how the Nazi world of her childhood is being re-created here in America.
Her advice to U.S. citizens is to "Keep your guns and buy more guns"


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Jolie Rouge
05-23-2014, 05:13 AM
Anonymous Troll: "Funny how the Tea Party didn't exist until we had a black President. Funny ain't it?

Me: "Ah, the Pavlovian leftist response to everything. "RACISM!!!" Alinsky would be proud of your anonymous trolling.

First, there is no "THE" Tea Party, per se. There is only a loose collection of concerned citizens who value limited but effective government, lower taxes, fewer job-killing regulations and political accountability. Like all Leftists, you are attempting to demonize an "entity" that doesn't exist.

Second, self-described Tea Party activists are not all white...and they don't only support white candidates. Herman Cain, Allen West, Tim Scott, Katrina Pierson, Mia Love and many other candidates of color have been supported by "Tea Party" activists. Dr. Ben Carson will receive similar support should he run for President (assuming that he alters his stance on the 2nd Amendment).

Third, these concerned citizens criticize any public official, in either Party, who fails to respect and defend the US Constitution. This applies to Barack Obama and Eric Holder, but it also works with "evil, white 1%-ers" like John Kerry (D), Harry Reid (D), Nancy Pelosi (D), John McCain (R), John Boehner (R), Peter King (R), and many others.

Fourth, Rick Santelli's rant, which many political observers have identified as the catalyst for "Tea Party" activism, was not a personal attack on our President. It was about big government generally. Google it.

Finally, your comment "ain't" funny...it's pathetic. Common sense knows no color. Anyone who lacks common sense, regardless of their race, age, gender, economic status, Party affiliation, sexual preference or religious beliefs, is fair game for criticism."

Jolie Rouge
06-26-2014, 01:28 PM
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Jolie Rouge
08-07-2016, 05:10 PM
U.S. Navy DEFIES Obama… Allows Insignia on Uniforms He Calls ‘Racist’

By Gina Cassini on August 7, 2016

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As TRN reported last week, the Obama Administration has taken aim at the Gadsden Flag, with it’s iconic “Don’t Tread on Me” (DTOM) slogan — deeming it racist.

Obama’s EEOC put the screws to government agencies — and even private businesses — when a Black postal worker complained of “racist intimidation” after a White co-worker wore DTOM on a cap in a USPS warehouse.

This, despite the fact that the Revolutionary War flag’s historical use had nothing whatsoever to do with race, racism, the Civil War or slavery, but instead opposed British blockades.

No matter. For the sole reason that the creator of the flag once “owned slaves,” Obama’s cultural Marxists have made it clear they will “investigate” anyone wearing the insignia at work across the country.

Well the U.S. Navy clearly didn’t get the memo — or couldn’t care less what Obama’s leftists think.

Because the Navy just approved a re-design of their uniforms and will now allow sailors to wear “Don’t Tread on Me” flag patches on uniforms.

From Federalist Papers: http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/anyone-with-a-dont-tread-on-me-flag-needs-to-read-this-now


Barack Obama’s Equal Employment Opportunity Commission made waves when it suggested that the Gadsden Flag – the yellow banner with the coiled snake about to strike and the words” Don’t Tread On Me” (DTOM) below – might be racist.

As of October 1, any sailor who is wearing the “NWU Type III” uniform can wear the Gadsden Flag patch. Seals and other special units may also wear the patch, WeAreTheMighty.com is reporting.


“During garrison and non-tactical exercises or operations, the non-tactical DTOM and Reverse Flag patches may be optionally worn at the discretion of the unit commanding officer and at the expense of the Sailor,” the Navy announced in Navy Administrations Message 174/16. “During tactical deployment exercises and operations, a tactical DTOM and Reverse Flag patch may be worn at the discretion of the unit commander and approval from the Task Force or Joint Task Force Commander.”

Here are the awesome patches:

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