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Jolie Rouge

03-29-2010, 04:07 PM

The death of an Arizona rancher;
Updated: Cattle growers’ association offers reward;
new details of the murder; suspect foot tracks into Mexico
By Michelle Malkin • March 29, 2010 11:49 AM
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/29/the-death-of-an-arizona-rancher/

Rob Krentz was a Cochise County, AZ cattle farmer who had battled the bloody consequences of illegal immigration for years. http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/under-siege/Content?oid=1079610

Over the weekend, his dead body was found on his ranch. The longtime rancher had been gunned down. Police are investigating the homicide.

The Arizona Star reports: http://www.azstarnet.com/news/local/border/article_bfac06dd-7495-5750-9ed2-d590c7bc913c.html

A longtime rancher was killed on his Douglas-area property over the weekend, and neighbors worried that his homicide was connected to increasing border-related crime in the area.

The Cochise County Sheriff’s Office offered little information into the late-Saturday shooting death of 58-year-old Robert Krentz, whose family began the Krentz Ranch more than 100 years ago.

Krentz’s body was found on his land, which is about 35 miles northeast of Douglas, just before midnight Saturday, said Carol Capas, a spokeswoman for the Sheriff’s Office.

The Sheriff’s Office, aided by the U.S. Border Patrol, had no suspects Sunday and continued to follow leads, Capas said. She declined to comment on reports from neighbors and border activists that Krentz’s death was related to smuggling in the area.

Area residents said Krentz had no enemies, and they could think of no motive for his death other than the possibility it was related to what they called the growing level of crime in the area related to illegal immigrants and drug smugglers.

Tom Tancredo, a former U.S. representative from Colorado, was visiting ranchers near Douglas to discuss border issues when he heard of Krentz’s death.

Tancredo said he and Krentz were friends and that he was “a mild-mannered guy” who was known for providing illegal immigrants with food and water.

Digger’s Realm has more. R.I.P. http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/003355.html

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The Tuscon Weekly adds: http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2010/03/28/cochise-county-rancher-murdered

The event has rocked the towns of Douglas and Portal, and the ranches in between, both of which have been under siege by cross-border smugglers for years.

As the Weekly has reported, the situation in the so-called Chiricahua Corridor has deteriorated lately, leaving residents fearful that an episode of this kind was inevitable. The grief is great for the Krentz family and their many friends throughout Southeast Arizona; Krentzes have been ranching in Cochise County for more than a century.

The Weekly has received word that a representative for Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords has placed calls to Cochise County, trying to set up a community meeting, either Monday or Tuesday at 11 a.m., possibly at the Apache School. The Giffords’ rep making the arrangements said it is possible she will ask the president to place military units in the besieged area

A source tells the Weekly the practical impact of Giffords’ actions might be small, but at least she is paying attention. The source said, “Kolbe laughed at us when we complained, and McCain worries about getting his patent leather shoes dirty when he’s down here.”

Related: The slaughter on the southern border – March 17, 2010 http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/17/the-slaughter-on-the-southern-border/

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John McCain and his open-borders, Soros-funded advisor Juan Hernandez have no comment yet.

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Reader Billie e-mails:

Michelle,

I want to thank you for posting the story about rancher Bob Krentz. You are the only credible source outside the local news that has mentioned it. As a ranching wife, my heart goes out to Bob’s family and especially his wife Susan. No one outside the ranching community knows how hard a life this is ( in terms of physical work never being done). To those of us who love it, the price is well worth the benefits. But not for Susan Krentz. I cannot imagine what she must feel, knowing they have been robbed before, vandalized and terrorized.

While Obama and his minions wax poetic about health care ( and the so called threats of not having it) there is a hardworking woman who has been pulling her own weight for decades that now faces her golden years without her beloved husband and without any security for the future of her children or herself on the ranch they love.

Ranching families work hard as teams to get everything done to care for their animals. They are usually short on help considering all that needs to be done. I hope that Susan’s loss of her husband, her partner in the business and the head of a multi generational legacy is not lost in the reporting. Her life is forever changed and helping her find a sense of peace and sanity is what we all need to think about.

Billie R.
Chico, CA

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Update: Just received this statement from the Arizona Cattle Growers’ Association…

ACGA Alert

March 28, 2010

Phoenix, AZ – The thoughts and prayers of the Arizona Cattle Growers’ Association are with the family of Sue and Rob Krentz. Rob’s tragic death truly leaves a hole in the community and his family. Everyone in Arizona’s ranching community will be saddened to hear of this tragedy.

Rob Krentz was a caretaker – he cared for his family, he cared for the land and he cared for the animals he and his family raised on the Krentz Ranch. These traits have been passed down through the Krentz family from one generation to the next. This is a terrible tragedy and our thoughts and prayers are with his wife Sue and their children.

Rob and his dog were found shot early this morning after he left on his four-wheeler late yesterday to check fence on his ranch. While reports of this tragedy and investigation advance the ACGA is prepared to assist in gathering facts about the incident with the offer of a $1,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of individuals involved in the tragic shooting of Rob Krentz.

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Update: New details from the Arizona Republic about the crime…
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/29/20100329rancher-killed-at-arizona-ranch.html

A prominent southeast Arizona rancher sped away in his all-terrain vehicle after being shot, the Cochise County Sheriff’s Office said Monday in releasing more details into Saturday’s slaying near the Mexico border.

The body of Robert Krentz, 58, was located before midnight Saturday on his 35,000 acre ranch about 35 miles northeast of Douglas after his brother reported that he had lost radio contact with Krentz earlier in the day.

Krentz apparently came upon one person when he was shot and his dog was wounded, detectives said.

While Krentz was still in his vehicle, mortally wounded, he managed to drive the ATV away from the scene at a high rate of speed before becoming unconscious, investigators said.

Foot tracks were identified and followed approximately 20 miles south to the Mexico border by sheriff’s deputies, U.S. Border Patrol trackers and Department of Corrections dog chase teams, authorities said.

So far, there have been no suspects identified and no arrests.

Jolie Rouge

04-07-2010, 07:52 PM

Law enforcement officials hear from ranchers on crime
By JB Miller
Published Tuesday, April 6, 2010 9:48 AM MDT

http://www.nogalesinternational.com/articles/2010/04/06/news/doc4bbb546188583958601776.txt

On the night of April 1, one week after the fatal shooting of Douglas-area cattleman Robert Krentz by a suspected smuggler, officials from the Border Patrol and the Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s Office met at the Nogales BP Station with approximately a dozen area ranchers to discuss better ways that they can provide protection. “Overall it was a very good meeting,” Sheriff Antonio Estrada said. He said people seemed pleased with the coverage they were getting from Border Patrol and local law enforcement but wanted to talk about how they could make it better. That included adding more agents, more technology, and improving communication between locals and feds.

Ranchers also asked that deputies and agents share information when a potentially dangerous situation is occurring, whether it’s smugglers crossing their property or law enforcement conducting a drug seizure, Estrada said.

The ranchers noted that in the past, law enforcement agencies, especially the Border Patrol had been tight-lipped in order to protect operations. But they reiterated that the sharing of information would allow them to act accordingly in order to protect their families from getting caught in a crossfire. “We want to be aware of what’s going on in our yard, and whether we should stay or get the heck out of there,” said Susan Clarke Morales after the meeting.

Clarke, who lives 2 1/2 miles away from the U.S.-Mexico border, said that when she or her family are out on the range, it’s not unusual to see smugglers armed with AK-47s accompanying drug loads.

Jorge Uges, spokesperson for the Border Patrol’s Nogales Station described the meeting as a “safety check.” He said the Border Patrol encourages the public to report any suspicious activity.

However, Estrada told the Nogales International he understands that some people are unwilling to report what they see because they are leery of reprisals by criminals.

“It’s up to you what you want to do,” he said.

:pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray

Reader Billie e-mails along more info via Arizona native Caren Cowen, now director of New Mexico Cattlemen:

A rosary will be held for Rob Krentz at St. Luke’s Catholic Church, 211 E. 15th St., Douglas, Arizona, on Friday, April 9th, at 6:00 pm. A memorial service will be held at Douglas High School Gym, 1550 East 15th St on Saturday April 10th at 10:00 am. A reception will follow at the Gadsden Hotel, 1046 G Avenue in Douglas.

In lieu of flowers, the family suggests donations to the “Rob Krentz Memorial Fund,” The Cowbelles – c/o Carol Riggs, 4466 N. Brooks Road, Douglas, Arizona 85608.

Cards to may be sent to: Krentz Family, PO Box 3592, Douglas, Arizona 85607

A Robert Krentz Memorial Fund has been established at Wells Fargo Bank to aid the family. Anyone that would like to donate to this fund may do so at any Wells Fargo using the following account number: 5560960899. A calf donated by Sunny Shores will be auctioned and re-auctioned at the Willcox Livestock Auction April 8, with proceeds to the Memorial Fund.

As I noted last month, the Arizona Cattle Growers Association is offering a reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person(s) responsible for the murder of Rob Krentz and is collecting contributions and pledges to supplement the ACGA’s own contribution to the fund of $5,000. The New Mexico Cattle Growers’ Association is contributing $1,000 to this fund. ICE/DHS are also offering a $25,000 reward.

Jolie Rouge

04-07-2010, 07:53 PM

Ranchers Alarmed by Killing Near Border
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD - April 4, 2010

DOUGLAS, Ariz. — Sooner or later, they all feared, one of them would be killed.

The ranchers, retirees and others who prefer to live off the grid in the vast desert near the Mexican border regularly confront the desperate and dehydrated illegal border crossers, who knock on their doors for directions and water, and lately more of the less innocent, who scurry across their land or lie low in the brush, stooped with marijuana and other drugs bundled on their backs.

Now, according to the leading police theory, the inevitable has occurred, whipping up a political storm and sending a shiver through a community not easily shaken.

Robert N. Krentz Jr., 58, the scion of one of the best-known and oldest ranching families here in southeast Arizona, was found shot to death March 27 on his vast, remote ranch north of here after radioing to his brother that he was aiding someone he believed to be an illegal immigrant.

Mr. Krentz went missing shortly after that call, and the police found his body several hours later in his all-terrain vehicle, his guns untouched in the back, his dog shot and critically wounded. Fresh footprints led from the scene to the Mexican border 20 miles away.

Given Mr. Krentz’s radio transmission, the footprints and heavy drug and illegal immigrant trafficking in that area, investigators are working on the assumption that he encountered a smuggler, possibly heading back to Mexico. “You never know who you’re dealing with out here because you get all kinds of traffic through here,” said William McDonald, a fellow rancher on the vast mesquite scrubland pocked with canyons and scattered mountain ranges floating on the horizon like islands.

Mr. McDonald and other residents said that in the last year or two the traffic had taken a more sinister turn, with larger numbers of drug smugglers, many clad in black and led by armed scouts. “It was only a matter of time,” he said. “Everything was in place for something like this to happen.”

Sheriff Larry A. Dever of Cochise County said if it was related to smuggling, it would be the first such killing of a rancher in more than three decades. But as local, state and federal investigators pore over the case, no motive has been ruled out, Sheriff Dever said.

Mr. Krentz’s family, in a statement last week, said they had little doubt that the killing was related to smuggling. They went on to vent frustration at what they said was a lack of concern by federal leaders. “We hold no malice towards the Mexican people for this senseless act but do hold the political forces in this country and Mexico accountable for what has happened,” the family said. “Their disregard of our repeated pleas and warnings of impending violence towards our community fell on deaf ears shrouded in political correctness. As a result, we have paid the ultimate price for their negligence in credibly securing our borderlands.”

Arizona, where the border authorities arrest more people and seize more drugs than in any other state, has long been a flashpoint for the immigration debate, and ranchers as a whole have been in the thick of it. Some have allowed armed civilian patrol groups to use their property to help catch border crossers.

The mere possibility that a rancher died at the hands of a smuggler led a host of politicians facing election challenges this year — including Senator John McCain and Gov. Jan Brewer, both Republicans, as well as Representative Gabrielle Giffords, a Democrat who represents the area — to quickly condemn the killing and to call for tighter border enforcement.

They demanded, among other things, that the federal government post National Guard troops on the border, a move that Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico made on his own last week, ordering his state Guard commander to send an untold number of troops there to help keep watch.

Although as Arizona governor she supported a limited Guard deployment on the border and pleaded with the Bush administration to keep them there when the temporary deployment was up in 2008, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has not backed the idea now.

Instead, the department said it had increased its own resources at the border in the last year and had offered a $25,000 reward for information leading to the capture of Mr. Krentz’s killer. “We are carefully monitoring the situation, and will continue to ensure that we are doing everything necessary to keep communities along the Southwest border safe,” a spokesman, Matthew Chandler, said in a statement.

Such assurances get a skeptical greetings here, where everybody has a story about an encounter with immigrants or smugglers.

The parched man who still waited for the rancher to come home before using his water tap. The group of smugglers using a catapult to fling marijuana bundles over the fence. The community clean-up that yielded two pickup truck loads of burlap from smugglers who had unbundled marijuana packages. And more recently, the series of break-ins and thefts.

Residents said they believed that the completion of a segment of the border wall near Douglas shifted smuggling traffic farther east in the last couple of years to more remote, rugged areas along the New Mexico border.

The area is guarded by two divisions of the Border Patrol who use different types of radios and have had trouble communicating with each other, officials at the agency have acknowledged. In addition, ranchers said, many of the agents are newly hired and unfamiliar with the area, slowing response times.

While some believe that the border wall completed in the last few years has slowed down large groups, many others have little faith in it. Bill Odle, who lives about 400 feet from the border, drove along the fence last week, pointing out spots where smugglers have cut it and scaled it, sometimes bringing ladders to speed their way. “It doesn’t work in stopping people, but it does stop wildlife,” Mr. Odle said.

But another rancher, Richard Hodges, who said he had received threats from smugglers for reporting them to the Border Patrol, believes that the fence does at least slow down traffic, particularly the large groups.

Mr. Hodges once let a civilian patrol group erect a fence near the border on his property, but the group, the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps recently disbanded and the fence is being taken down.

By all accounts, Mr. Krentz never got caught up in border politics. A bear of a man with a reserved nature, he could seem imposing at first glance but almost always rendered help to those who needed it, friends and family said. He inherited the 35,000-acre ranch from his father — it has been in the family since 1907 — and in 2008 it was inducted into the Arizona Farming and Ranching Hall of Fame. “He was a typical ranch kid,” said Wendy Glenn, a neighbor and longtime friend who said she heard Mr. Krentz’s last transmission on her radio.

Now, like others, Ms. Glenn said she planned to be more cautious. “Usually if somebody needs help, you walk up to them and help them,” she said. “We won’t just walk up and offer help anymore.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/05/us/05arizona.html

boopster

04-07-2010, 08:46 PM

I put the blame on this senseless murder on the US government and those who advocate making illegals US citizens. By telling illegals that they have committed a crime these do-gooders with inflated egos, want them (illegals) to become US citizens and enjoy the benefits that all US citizens have been paying for, is only giving carte blanche to illegals to steal and commit other crimes without punishment. How many American citizens must die at the hands of criminals who come into this country illegally? Heck, we have enough US citizens who are criminals and we sure don't need any more!

Elected officals: do what you have been elected to do - represent your constituents and do what they want and NOT what you think will give your good publicity!

Jolie Rouge

04-13-2010, 08:16 AM

longer be in the MSM headlines, but his community and his colleagues won’t let local, state, or federal government officials just forget about the crime — and the continuing bloody consequences of open borders.

More than 1,200 people turned out over the weekend to honor Krentz at a Douglas-area memorial: http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2010/04/11/there-won-t-be-another-guy-robert-krentz

There won’t be another guy like Robert Krentz’
More than 1,200 gather in Douglas to say goodbye to slain rancher
Sun, 04/11/2010 - 01:18
By Larry Blaskey and Derek Jordan Wick Communications

DOUGLAS — More than 1,200 friends, relatives and dignitaries crowded into the Douglas High School gym Saturday morning to remember and celebrate the life of a “good man,” Robert Krentz.

The Douglas-area rancher was found murdered March 27 on his ranch.

The memorial Mass, celebrated by the Most Rev. Gerald F. Kicanas, bishop of the Roman Catholic Church’s Tucson Diocese, as well as the Rev. Gilbert Malu, the Rev. James Baka and the Rev. Armando Espinoza, was moved to the high school after it was realized that no other facility in the community was big enough to hold the crowd. Even with more than 1,200 seats available, there was standing room only for those at the service to honor and say goodbye to their family member and friend.

Krentz was a man whose actions spoke louder than words, and he fostered a reputation as a kind, compassionate man, said Gary Tuell. “You can tell that by the people who showed up and the reaction that they had,” he said.

Tuell knew Krentz when he was a child, and said he was amicable then. “He was a couple of years younger than I was, but he was always a friendly little cuss.”

On March 27, authorities believe, an illegal immigrant shot Krentz on his ranch.

How to help

Those wishing to honor slain Douglas-area rancher Robert Krentz’ life can do so by donating to the Rob Krentz Memorial Fund, The Cowbelles c/o Carol Riggs, 4466 N. Brooks Road, Douglas, AZ 85608; or the ACGA’s Litigation Fund c/o Patrick Brey, 1401 N. 24th St., No. 4, Phoenix, AZ 85008-4638. Donations may also be made to any Wells Fargo Bank in the name of Robert Krentz.

Tomorrow, ranching families will gather at the state Capitol to demand action.

April 12, 2010, AZ – This weekend the ranching community gathered to celebrate the life of Robert Krentz, a husband, father and a friend to many. A senseless act took the life of a man, a humanitarian, who bore no ill will towards anyone. Rob loved his family instilling in them the importance of honesty, fair dealing and skill managing all aspects of a large 100-year-old ranching operation producing food to make our country strong and healthy.

On April 13, 2010 Arizona ranching families will gather at the state Capitol to demand action to secure our border, called Restore Our Border. For 18 months southern Arizona ranchers have been meeting with local officials to improve the conditions on the border. Thanks to the hard work of many individuals the Arizona Cattlemen’s Association has developed a plan of action to secure our border.

It’s clear that southern Arizona is a lawless area and the U.S./Mexico border is controlled by criminal forces. These unlawful cartels have no regards for the lives of American citizens and it is past time that our government takes action. Our fellow Arizonans and Americans should be able to sleep at night in the safety of their own homes. Arizona ranchers cannot stand for another tragedy like they have faced and will not rest until the border is secured.

The Arizona Cattlemen’s Association is working with the proper authorities to finalize the plan of action. On April 13, 2010 Restore Our Border (ROB) Plan will be released at 12:00PM at the capitol during a press conference. At 2:30PM Senator Russell Pearce has called a special committee hearing to discuss the criminal activities along the border. The committee will discuss the Restore Our Border plan and take testimony from southern Arizona Ranch Families.

Restore Our Border (ROB) Plan is a plan of action, not discussion points. For far too long these American Citizens have lived in fear for their lives and the lives of their family, we need to secure the border now!

Jolie Rouge

04-14-2010, 09:03 PM

Arizona may crack down hard on illegal immigrants
By Jonathan J. Cooper, Associated Press Writer Wed Apr 14, 7:54 pm ET

PHOENIX – Civil rights activists Wednesday warned that Arizona is inviting rampant racial profiling and police-state tactics if it enacts what would be the toughest law in the nation against illegal immigrants.

The measure — on the verge of approval in the Legislature — would make it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. It would also require local police officers to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal.

Immigrants unable to produce documents showing they are allowed to be in the U.S. could be arrested, jailed for up to six months and fined $2,500.

"That is an unprecedented expansion of police power," said Alessandra Soler Meetze, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona. "It's giving police officers a green light to harass anyone who looks or sounds foreign."

The ACLU and immigrant rights groups are demanding Republican Gov. Jan Brewer veto the measure if it reaches her. The Republican has not announced whether she will sign it, but said she is a strong supporter of pragmatic immigration laws.

Her predecessor, Janet Napolitano, a Democrat who is now President Barack Obama's Homeland Security secretary, vetoed similar proposals.

Current law in Arizona and most states doesn't require police to ask about the immigration status of those they encounter, and many police departments prohibit officers from inquiring out of fear immigrants won't cooperate in other investigations.

The new measure would be just the latest crackdown of its kind in Arizona, which has an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants, the seventh highest in the U.S. California has the most illegal immigrants with 2.6 million, followed by Texas with 1.7 million.

State Sen. Russell Pearce, the bill's sponsor, has been the driving force behind Arizona's tough new measures, including a law copied in other states that punishes companies caught knowingly hiring illegal immigrants. "I believe handcuffs are a great tool, but you have to put them on the right people," said Pearce, a former cop who can list the local officers killed or wounded by illegal immigrants. "Get them off the police officers and put them on the bad guys."

Anger over the porous Mexican border mounted last month when an Arizona cattle rancher was shot to death. Investigators said he may have been killed by drug runners working for cartels based in Mexico.

The new measure is supported by police unions representing rank-and-file officers, who deny they would engage in profiling.

It is opposed by police chiefs, who worry that the law would be too costly, that it would distract them from dealing with more serious problems, and that it would sow such distrust among immigrants that they would not cooperate with officers investigating other crimes.

Legal immigrants fear that the law would give officers easy excuses to stop them, and that even U.S. citizens could find themselves detained if they can't prove their legal status. "When they come up with these things, it doesn't matter if I'm here legally," said Jose Melendez, a 55-year-old naturalized U.S. citizen from Guadalajara, Mexico. "If they see a Mexican face and a Mexican name, they'll ask for papers."

Anti-immigration activists say the larger goal is to discourage illegal immigration by making the U.S. inhospitable. "Most illegals would leave on their own if they felt the U.S. was serious about our laws," said William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration Political Action Committee.

House Republicans passed the bill on a party-line vote Tuesday. The Senate approved it in February but must vote on changes made in the House before sending it to the governor.

The law also would crack down on employment for illegal immigrants by prohibiting people from blocking traffic when they seek or offer day labor on street corners. Also, a judge could fine a city for not enforcing the immigration law vigorously enough.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100414/ap_on_re_us/us_arizona_immigration;_ylt=ArfVRzzemNhjosroXBaNJF es0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFlYWU4Y3JiBHBvcwM2OQRzZWMDYWNjb3 JkaW9uX3Vfc19uZXdzBHNsawNhcml6b25hbWF5Y3I-

The measure — on the verge of approval in the Legislature — would make it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally.

If they are in the country illegally -- isn't that a crime already ?? :confused: Do you steal a car "illegally" - rob a bank "illegally" ??

The new measure would be just the latest crackdown of its kind in Arizona, which has an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants, the seventh highest in the U.S. California has the most illegal immigrants with 2.6 million, followed by Texas with 1.7 million.

That is beyond stupid ... send them HOME ... then maybe we can begin to take care of our citizens and those who choose to follow the rules to come here...

boopster

04-15-2010, 08:42 AM

I give AZ credit for attempting to do something except batting around words and then don't do anything. The laws in this country define illegals but nobody has the 'balls' to do anything to enforce the laws. I hope this passes and maybe...just maybe...other states will follow and then the federal government will be forced to do what is right for the American taxpayers who have been paying for these illegals to rape the system.

Jolie Rouge

04-16-2010, 09:24 AM

Arizona Illegal-Immigrant Law Draws Strong Opposition
By KEVIN O'LEARY - 2 hrs 1 min ago

The toughest anti-illegal-immigrant measure in a generation passed the Arizona legislature this week. If signed, as expected, by Republican governor Jan Brewer, the law will give local police sweeping new powers in regard to undocumented workers. Currently, immigration offenses are violations of federal, not state, law, and local police officers only can inquire about a person's immigration status if that person is suspected of another crime. Under SB1070, however, Arizona police will have the right to stop anyone on "reasonable suspicion" that they may be an illegal immigrant and can arrest them if they are not carrying a valid driver's license or identity papers.

Passions about illegal immigration run high in Arizona, a point of entry for thousands of undocumented workers going to the U.S. from Mexico, and tensions were heightened by the recent murder of a rancher in a remote border area where illegal crossings are rampant. With 6.6 million residents, Arizona's illegal-immigrant population is estimated to be half a million people. (See the great wall of America on the Mexico border.)

Both proponents and opponents of the law are vociferous. "This criminalizes undocumented status and turns dishwashers, janitors, landscapers and our neighbors into criminals," says Chris Newman, legal director of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. "The bill constitutes a complete disregard for the rights of nonwhites in Arizona. It effectively mandates racial profiling." But state senator Russell Pearce, a Republican, says his bill "will not change a thing for lawful citizens. It simply takes the handcuffs off law enforcement and allows them to do their job. Our legal citizens have a constitutional right to expect protection of federal law against noncitizens. When those laws are not enforced, our citizens are denied equal protection." (Will a biometric Social Security card help the immigration crisis?)

All 35 Republicans in the lower Arizona house voted for the bill, while 21 Democrats voted against it. The bill passed the state senate earlier. Law enforcement in the state is split over the legislation, with rank and file supporting the measure and the Association of Chiefs of Police in opposition, saying it could hinder investigations by making the immigrant community hesitant to speak with police.

Appalled at the bill's harsh sweep, immigrant advocates are promising court challenges. "This is the most far-reaching anti-immigration bill in memory and it turns the presumption of innocence on its head," says Alessandra Meetze, executive director of the ACLU of Arizona. "It singles out the failure to carry ID as a reason to believe you are an undocumented alien. What this means is that citizens will need to carry papers with them at all times. It means people like my mother, who has brown skin and an accent, can be arrested and detained until it is confirmed that they are legally in the country."

"This is the most anti-immigrant legislation the U.S. has seen since the House bill of 2005 which set off huge demonstrations across the country," says Newman. "The sheer breadth of this bill is going to alter the national discussion." He says the bill does four things: criminalizes undocumented status, enlists local police in illegal-immigration enforcement, allows citizens to sue police departments if citizens think the police are not being sufficiently vigilant in enforcement and forbids any city from ignoring the state law and becoming a so-called sanctuary zone. "That's before you get to racial profiling," says Newman, "because anyone who looks Latino or has an accent can be swept up, arrested and detained while their immigration status is verified."

Can the law stand up to scrutiny? "There are some things that states can do and some that states can't do, but this law threads the needle perfectly," says Kris Kobach, a University of Missouri–Kansas City School of Law professor who helped write the legislation. He believes it will withstand constitutional challenge. "In the bill, Arizona only penalizes what is already a crime under federal law," says Kobach, a Yale Law School graduate and onetime counsel to former U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft. "That constitutes concurrent enforcement in legal terms, which the courts have said is permissible." Says Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a conservative think tank in Washington: "The rhetoric that this bill will create a police state is ridiculous. What this does is give police officers an extra tool in their tool kit."

"Enough is enough," says state senator Pearce, speaking about the increased violence along the Arizona border with Mexico. "One family has been burglarized 18 times and a number of officers have been killed and maimed in the line of duty dealing with illegal immigrants who are criminals. Our message is very clear," says Pearce. "Illegal aliens should find another state besides Arizona to visit."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100416/us_time/08599198226800;_ylt=AiKWv1AVToXYK0JcQjvbfvaMwfIE;_ ylu=X3oDMTM1MGVxYTYyBGFzc2V0A3RpbWUvMjAxMDA0MTYvMD g1OTkxOTgyMjY4MDAEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM3 BHBvcwM3BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDYXJpem9uYW lsbGVn

This is long over due . Racial profiling is out the window . What part of illegal don't these people understand ? Our country has been invaded . Why do you think people need passports ? I have no problem showing my passport if asked , I have no problem stepping aside at the airport if asked to do so . I , know why they are doing it , to keep people safe . Entering a country illegally is a crime . What would happen if we entered MEXICO illegally ? Or any other country ? Hello . This polictical correctness stuff and the ACLU are destroying this country . Doesn,t ACLU stand for AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTY UNION . Why is it that they are not standing up for AMERICANS ?

boopster

04-16-2010, 01:54 PM

"Both proponents and opponents of the law are vociferous. "This criminalizes undocumented status and turns dishwashers, janitors, landscapers and our neighbors into criminals," says Chris Newman, legal director of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network."

Duh! What this person is saying is that this law criminalizes criminals.... so? People who break the law are criminals and they can't blame anyone else for their 'criminal' status.

Go AZ!

cabby92

04-16-2010, 06:29 PM

turns dishwashers, janitors, landscapers and our neighbors into criminals

Nope, those dishwashers, janitors, landscapers and neighbors turned themselves into criminals when they crawled under a fence and entered into a life of crime. Arizona is merely trying to correct that problem.

I agree - GO AZ!!

Jolie Rouge

04-22-2010, 02:40 PM

Arizona immigration law must pass the prejudice test
By The Monitor's Editorial Board Wed Apr 21, 7:51 am ET

Those seeking a firmer crackdown on illegal immigration in the US carry a particular moral burden. They must also call on law enforcement officials not to resort to ethnic or racial profiling when enforcing immigration laws.

This burden may fall particularly hard on Arizona soon.

The legislature in that state has just passed a measure that would require police officers to check the immigration status of anyone if there is a “reasonable suspicion” that person may be in the country illegally. The governor, Jan Brewer, a Republican, is now weighing whether to sign the bill.

With this act, Arizona – whose border is especially porous to illegal crossings from Mexico – would be simply taking a national trend one step further.

Local enforcement of US immigration laws has expanded since 2006, driven by rising popular demand to curb illegal immigration as well as support from Washington. Under a federal program known as 287(g), states and local agencies can voluntarily sign up with the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency to act with federal authority in enforcing US immigration laws – but only while making arrests for local or state crimes.

The Arizona measure would drop that key stipulation and compel police to pick up illegal immigrants “when practicable.” Citizens could even sue officials to compel such enforcement.

In both efforts, however, the most worrisome aspect is that there are not strong enough safeguards against illegal profiling by police who may be prejudiced against certain types of immigrants. This lapse could not only lead to civil rights abuses but also may help sink efforts in Congress to finally solve the problem of some 10 million illegal immigrants living in the US.

The Latino community must be convinced that it is not being targeted simply on the basis of race or ethnicity in any government drive to secure America’s borders and uphold the rule of law. In addition, Latinos in local communities cannot live in fear of arbitrary detention by police; otherwise they will not be cooperative in assisting law enforcement in battling criminals.

Last month, the 287(g) program was criticized in an internal report by the inspector general of the US Department of Homeland Security, which overseas immigration through ICE. The report said ICE must increase its “attention to the civil rights and civil liberties records of current and prospective” states or local agencies that participate in the program. A similar warning was made last year by the investigative arm of Congress, the Government Accountability Office (GAO).

The head of the 287(g) program said last year that the agency had received no complaints about profiling. And under President Obama, the program has begun to focus mainly on running checks on illegal aliens already in jail in order to deport them.

Nonetheless, enough reports of abuses exist that both federal and state officials must be more vigilant in training police to avoid bias in enforcing immigration laws.

Racial profiling, as an issue, flared up last year when President Obama intervened in a case involving the arrest of a prominent black academic at Harvard University by a white policeman. Many lesser-known instances of alleged profiling against immigrants must also be dealt with swiftly and sternly.

To better tackle illegal immigration, both Arizona and ICE must realize that upholding civil rights must go hand in hand with upholding the law. One cannot be neglected at the expense of the other.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100421/cm_csm/295918/print;_ylt=AmSNS_Pdq5XYVPk8Y_0qmEy7e8UF;_ylu=X3oDM TBvajZzaTFyBHBvcwMxNQRzZWMDdG9wBHNsawNwcmludA--

Arizona is doing the right thing, and hispanic groups just have to realize that the vast majority of illegal immigrants coming across the Arizona/Mexico border are hispanic so it is a natural conclusion to associate hispanic with illegal. Perhaps if the hispanic community identified the illegal hispanics who were breaking the law there wouldn't be as much conflict between law enforcement and the hispanic community. However the hispanic community often is looking for a free handout and many in the hispanic community identify with Mexico and only want to take from the USA and not be a part of the USA...and for all you racist crybabies who want to label me a racist for saying anything about hispanics...mi ex-esposa is mexicana y mi nina halba espanol perfecto...so shove that taco up your @&&...PS, I don't need to speak spanish, this is still the USA

We can thank the 911 terrorists for having to damn near undress just to board an airplane. And, oh yea, we'd better have an ID at the same time. Hoards of invading Mexicans are to blame for the US having to pass draconian laws to have to deal with the problem. Many legal immigrants from Mexico are responsible for bringing over relatives, illegally. I understand the problem of racial profiling as I am a black man, but something MUST BE DONE to identify and deport illegals, regardless of where they come from. The only problem is that this process is taking tooamn long. SPEED IT UP PLEASE!!!!

Why must the Latino Community be shown that they are not being targeted? Must we repeat the stupidity of pulling mothers of triplets and octogenarians aside at airports to prove that we are politically correct? The fact is that hispanics make up the vast majority of illegal aliens, and 100% of the murderous members of gangs like MS-13, Colombian Cartels and the Mexican Mafia. Focusing on hispanics in order to crack down on illegal aliens in a state that borders Mexico is just plain common sense. Focusing on anything else is plain stupidity.

Facts, we need facts.

Perhaps the opponents of this law can do a survey and document what % of people who entered the country illegally along the Mexico-Arizona border were from Northern Europe, East Asia, India or Africa, vs. Mexico and Latin America?

I'd be very curious to see the results . . .

pepperpot

04-22-2010, 02:48 PM

Racial profiling, as an issue, flared up last year when President Obama intervened in a case involving the arrest of a prominent black academic at Harvard University by a white policeman. Many lesser-known instances of alleged profiling against immigrants must also be dealt with swiftly and sternly.

That was racial profiling? I thought there was an alarm or neighbor complaint (forget which) that called the police to that residence and the occupant of the house was beligerant and non-cooperative to a police officer. You are right, the black man assumed that every white man, especially police officers has it in for him. Boy was he racist. :doh

Must be nice to rewrite history......

boopster

04-22-2010, 08:06 PM

The term racist appears to be one sided. To those who are constantly screaming racist, you can only be a racist if you are white. I have heard speeches denigrating those who are white and those of different faiths, and these same people scream loud and clear if you say anything about their 'people' yet find nothing wrong about what spews from their mouths. What is wrong are those who speak up on behalf of those who have committed crimes against the U S of A and then have the audacity to call citizens of this country every name in the book for wanting to defend what is ours.

I congratulate AZ for taking a stand to uphold the laws of this government and take back their own state from those who have abused and raped their state's resources that belong to the rightful citizens.

Elected officials who have allowed this fiasco to spread thus depriving US citizens of their rightful means of support, depriving US citizens medical care that they give freely to those who have illegally remained in this country, and other atrocities should be held responsible for abetting those who have committed these crimes. Remember at election time, do NOT vote for those who have taken what belongs to you and given it to others...and themselves.

The man who drafted this bill in AZ has already been contacted by other states which I hope is in preparation of drafting their own bills to take back their states.

If I am required to always have ID on me, I have no objection just like I have no objection of being searched in an airport because this is for my protection and for my rights to continue. It will be up to our government to get off their butts and enforce the laws of the land. They will have to make sure that states cease giving out ID's to those who should not have them. They will have to come up with a secure way of detecting false SS numbers. There is a lot to be done.

Jolie Rouge

04-22-2010, 09:31 PM

1 sought in burglaries; Krentz link is possible
Story Brady McCombs Arizona Daily Star - Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:00 am

The Cochise County Sheriff's Office is looking for a person of interest in several burglaries this year in the Portal area in southeastern Arizona.

It is looking for Alejandro Chavez-Vasquez, who has given authorities various birth dates and lives in Agua Prieta, Mexico. Officials say he has a criminal history with convictions that include sex crimes, auto theft and being in and returning the the U.S. after being deported, according to a news release.

The news release doesn't identify Chavez-Vasquez as a person of interest in the killing of longtime rancher Robert Krentz on March 27, but a news release of this type is unusual for the department, and the Portal area is just north of where Krentz was found dead on his ranch.

Chavez-Vasquez is currently only a person of interest in the burglaries.

But Cochise County Sheriff's spokeswoman Carol Capas said she didn't dismiss the possibility that Chavez-Vasquez could provide useful information in the Krentz investigation. "It would depend on what he would be able to tell us about other burglaries or other open cases we have," Capas said.

As of now, there are no suspects or persons of interest in the Krentz case, she said.

Krentz was found shot and killed on his ATV on his ranch, about 25 miles northeast of Douglas.

Investigators don't know who shot him, but they followed a single set of tracks back to Mexico, fueling speculation that the killer was an illegal immigrant or smuggler.

During a Senate hearing Tuesday in Washington, D.C., Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever said investigators have reason to believe the shooter was a scout for a drug-smuggling organization.

At a March 29 news conference, Dever said there was another incident in the area involving a gun within 24 hours of the shooting that could be connected to the Krentz case. He would not elaborate.

Anyone with information about Chavez-Vasquez is asked to call the Cochise County Sheriff's Office at 520-432-9500 or 1-800-362-0812.

Contact reporter Brady McCombs at 573-4213 or [email protected]

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/article_9e773fd0-4560-569a-921e-aa8b2dc3c95b.html

Jolie Rouge

04-24-2010, 09:33 PM

Saturday, April 24, 2010
The Arizona Immigration Bill Is Not Racist

This is the latest in a series on the use of the race card for political gain:

The Governor of Arizona just signed a bill which, in the words of opponents, is the equivalent of the Japanese internment during WWII, the Nazi Nuremberg laws, and a host of other racist or allegedly racist wrongs which have been committed since the dawn of mankind. Cassy Fiano has a good roundup of the reaction.

I then did something almost no one else has done. Certainly not the people claiming the bill is racist. I actually read the bill, http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf not just the news reports.

The bill does raise public policy issues as to whether we really want to enforce the immigration laws, but it is not racist.

The bill amends existing law to prevent the type of "sanctuary city" resolutions which have passed elsewhere in the nation which seek to restrict local authorities from enforcing federal immigration laws, reporting illegal immigrants to the federal government, and a host of other restrictions:

11-1051 A. No official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may limit or restrict the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.

What follows after this introductory provision are specific provisions which empower (but do not mandate) law enforcement to enforce the law, including asking for proof of legal immigration status if there is an otherwise lawful stop of the person.

Again, the law does not authorize unlawful stops, but only permits verification of immigration status once a lawful stop has been made :

11-1051 B. For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state of a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation....

The law also does not attempt to supplant or expand federal law, contrary to what many people have claimed, and specifically states that it does not change federal civil rights laws

11-1051 E. Except as provided in federal law, officials or agencies of this state and counties, cities, towns and other political subdivisions of this state may not be prohibited or in any way be restricted from sending, receiving or maintaining information relating to the immigration status of any individual or exchanging that information with any other federal, state or local governmental entity for the following official purposes....

K. This section shall be implemented in a manner consistent with federal laws regulating immigration, protecting the civil rights of all persons and respecting the privileges and immunities of United States citizens.

Nothing in the law authorizes stopping people because of their skin color. The law simply provides guidelines as to what is permissible in accordance with federal law, and the procedures that should be used.

Could the law be abused? Sure, so can any law.

Claims of "driving while black" and other racial profiling have abounded for decades. But we don't eliminate the enforcement of traffic laws just because some police racially profile; instead we educate and discipline police who use racially neutral traffic laws for racial purposes. Why should the immigration laws be any different?

If you want to argue that the law is not sound on civil liberties grounds, do so. If you want to argue that as a matter of public policy local governments should not enforce the immigration laws, then make that argument.

But the one argument which is not legitimate is that the law is racist. Because it is not.

Update: In hindsight, I probably used the term "enforce" too loosely. The State of Arizona is not enforcing the immigration laws directly, it is reporting and/or turning over illegal aliens to federal authorities who then will enforce the immigration laws (in theory):

11-1051 C. If an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States is convicted of a violation of state or local law, on discharge from imprisonment or on the assessment of any monetary obligation that is imposed, the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement or The United States Customs and Border Protection shall be immediately notified.

To the extent the bill does seek collateral enforcement such as through employer sanctions, it does so in a manner not contrary to federal law. So the Arizona bill does not, to me, present constitutional issues as to the supremacy of federal law; but even if there were a valid constitutional challenge, that would not render the bill racist.

Also, I have corrected some of the section citations and bill wording from the original post, none of which made any difference to the argument. There have been a number of different final versions of the bill linked by various news organizations, but the wording above should be the final final version. http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/24/correction-the-actual-arizona-immigration-bill/

So, defending the citizens of Arizona from illegal aliens engaged in drug trafficking, human trafficking, kidnapping and murder, is a racist act. Hummmm. Defending the United States from attack by extremist Islamic jihadists is a racist act. Hummmm. It seems to me that in these heady days of the Obama administration being an American and believing in the defense of the nation and the people defines one as a racist.

I think I will be forced to be a racist if that is the definition.

Thank you, William. Great analysis.

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/04/saturday-night-card-game-arizona.html

Jolie Rouge

04-24-2010, 09:37 PM

Arizona: Doing the job the feds won’t do
By Michelle Malkin • April 23, 2010 05:06 PM

Open-borders lobby in a frenzy

It’s official: GOP Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed the nation’s toughest immigration enforcement bill. They’re doing the job the feds won’t do — taking the law and our borders seriously to protect the health, safety, and welfare of our citizens first.

Cue the ACLU lawyers, the open-borders lobby, and the race-card players. And watch the Left show you what intolerance is really all about.

For his part, Cardinal Roger Mahony is at it again — likening pro-enforcement advocates to Nazis.

My previous blogging on Mahoney’s open-borders zealotry is here.

And no surprise: Obama’s DOJ is ready to pounce.

We don’t need election season converts like John McCain leading the opposition to the Democrats’ shamnesty response. We need trustworthy conservative stalwarts who can withstand the relentless smear campaign against supporters of strict, consistent, effective immigration and entrance enforcement.

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/04/23/arizona-doing-the-job-the-feds-wont-do/

ahippiechic

04-24-2010, 10:28 PM

I'm so glad they passed this, can't wait til it takes effect!

boopster

04-25-2010, 07:58 AM

Amen!

These students who are protesting are trying to get sympathy stating that even though they are US citizens, they are afraid to leave their homes for fear that they might be picked up and not believed....which I interpret meaning that they know there are illegals who have illegal proof of their alleged rights to be here.

At airports, people are searched...does this take away their civil rights? Maybe these protesters would like to see searches eliminated at airports and take their chances and go POOF in the air.

I believe that anyone who is protesting the AZ law, should be sued by anyone who has been affected by any illegal to include the victim and their family. This would include sexually abused children, those maimed or murdered by an illegal drunk driver or any illegal, a person who has been raped, a person who lost their employment when they were replaced my an illegal, medical entities who have gone done the tubes due to having to treat people who were and are illegally in this country etc. Any elected official who wants all illegals to become legal should also be allowed to be personally sued should they abet those who commit these federal crimes of being here illegally....and yes, this should include the president of the US.

Thank you AZ for having the 'balls' to enforce a federal law that this government has refused to enforce to it's full extent.

Pres. Obama - I would like to remind you that your position is to protect the CITIZENS of this country and not those who are here illegally based on federal law.

ahippiechic

04-25-2010, 10:30 AM

IF I am riding with someone and they get pulled over for say, speeding...I have to show my ID/DL also just because I am in the car. And the cops call it in. My ID/DL proves that I am a citizen also. If they are a citizen (or have bought really good ID) that's all they have to show. If not, if they are here legally they have to show their ARD, which is card, or their work visa. All these fit into your wallet and it is common sense to have them with you when you leave the house.

I have been asked for my passport various times when in Mexico, for no reason. They were checking randomly and I didn't have a problem with it. If they can do that why not us.

And Obama can just STFU & KMA. If the feds would enforce the laws THEY made then AZ wouldn't have had to resort to this.

~ ETA ~ Some ILLEGALS are saying that the Constitution and BOR protects them against this. Ummmm....those are for CITIZENS. If you want that protection, come here legally so you CAN become a citizen.

Jolie Rouge

04-25-2010, 06:45 PM

~ ETA ~ Some ILLEGALS are saying that the Constitution and BOR protects them against this.

Ummmm....those are for CITIZENS.

If you want that protection, come here legally so you CAN become a citizen.

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Jolie Rouge

04-25-2010, 07:07 PM

Congressman: US should fight Ariz. immigrant law
By Jonathan J. Cooper, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 18 mins ago

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Thousands of protesters, carrying various signs, attend a rally at the Arizona Capitol voicing their displeasure on Sunday, April, 25, 2010

PHOENIX – An Arizona congressman urged the Obama administration on Sunday not to cooperate when illegal immigrants are picked up by local police if a tough new state immigration law survives legal challenges.

U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva, a Democrat, and civil rights activists spoke to thousands of people gathered at the state Capitol and called on President Barack Obama to fight the law, promising to march in the streets and invite arrest by refusing to comply.

"We're going to overturn this unjust and racist law, and then we're going to overturn the power structure that created this unjust, racist law," Grijalva said.

Obama has called the new law "misguided" and instructed the Justice Department to examine it to see if it's legal. It requires police to question people about their immigration status — including asking for identification — if they suspect someone is in the country illegally. Opponents say it would lead to racial profiling because officers would be more likely to ask people who look Hispanic.

Supporters have dismissed concerns about profiling, saying the law prohibits the use of race or nationality as the sole basis for an immigration check. Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the measure Friday, has ordered state officials to develop a training course for officers to learn what constitutes reasonable suspicion someone is in the U.S. illegally.

State Sen. Russell Pearce, the Mesa Republican who sponsored the legislation, said it's "pretty disappointing" that opponents would call on the federal government to refuse to cooperate with Arizona authorities.

"It's outrageous that these people continue to support law breakers over law keepers," Pearce said Sunday.

Protesters, some of whom came from as far away as Texas, clustered under trees for shelter from Arizona's searing sun and temperatures that approached 90 degrees. Police said it was peaceful and there were no clashes.

Bill Baker, 60, took time off work at a downtown Phoenix restaurant to sell umbrellas and Mexican and American flags to the largely Hispanic crowd. He said he wasn't making much money, but he wanted to help them exercise their freedom of expression — even though he supports the law they all showed up to oppose.

"If I go to another foreign country, if I go to Mexico, I have to have papers," Baker said. "So I don't feel there's anything particularly harsh about the law."

He said he's worried the bill will hurt the economy if many of Arizona's estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants leave the state and stop spending money here.

"But that's the price you have to pay to have a lawful country," Baker said.

Current law in Arizona and most states doesn't require police to ask about the immigration status of those they encounter, and many police departments prohibit officers from inquiring out of fear immigrants won't cooperate in other investigations.

The new law makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. Immigrants unable to produce documents showing they are allowed to be in the U.S. could be arrested, jailed for up to six months and fined $2,500. Other provisions allow lawsuits against government agencies that hinder enforcement of immigration laws, and the law makes it illegal to hire illegal immigrants for day labor or knowingly transport them.

Arizona officers would arrest people found to be undocumented and turn them over to federal immigration officers. Opponents said the federal government can block the law by refusing to accept them.

"Our message today is: 'Mr. President we listened, and we came out in record massive numbers to support you,'" said U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill. "We need you to support us today."

Gutierrez is one of the nation's loudest voices calling for comprehensive immigration reform that would create a pathway to citizenship for the millions of illegal immigrants now in the United States. He called on Obama to live up to a campaign promise to pass immigration reform.

The Rev. Al Sharpton, speaking Sunday in New York, said that just as freedom riders battled segregation in the 1960s, he would organize "freedom walkers" to challenge the Arizona bill.

"We will go to Arizona when this bill goes into effect and walk the streets with people who refuse to give identification and force arrest," Sharpton said.

Arizona's border with Mexico is the nation's busiest stretch for illegal border crossings. The state's harsh, remote desert serves as the gateway to the U.S. for thousands of Mexicans and Central Americans.

"It divides our whole community," said Mary Hoffmann, 54, a landscape architect in Phoenix. "If people are divided they make decisions on fear and anger."

Brewer, who faces a tough re-election battle and growing anger in the state over illegal immigrants, said the law "protects every Arizona citizen" and the state must act because the federal government has failed. Brewer said she wouldn't tolerate racial profiling.

The March 27 shooting death of rancher Rob Krentz on his property in southeastern Arizona brought illegal immigration and border security into greater focus in the state. Authorities believe Krentz was killed by an illegal border crosser.

Since the shooting, Brewer and other officeholders and candidates have toured the state's border with Mexico. She has ordered a reallocation of state National Guard and law enforcement resources and called on the federal government to deploy National Guard troops.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100426/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_enforcement;_ylt=AumVpfWQ0ZBSXoqD3N fn74JH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTNmc2J0NW1yBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMT AwNDI2L3VzX2ltbWlncmF0aW9uX2VuZm9yY2VtZW50BGNjb2Rl A21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDNgRwb3MDNgRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3 N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA2NvbmdyZXNzbWFudQ--

By reaffirming the rights and privileges of the U.S. citizens whom our political leaders were elected to serve, this bill represents a victory not only the State of Arizona, but for the American people as a whole.

The same folks who want to deport these people don't want any more government spending....we can't deport without spending, and can't close the border without spending....hmmmm.

Amnesty isn't popular, but it would get them paying taxes....and that would bring in revenue.....but hey, why bother with logic?

... but think of the money we save by not supporting them with welfare, food stamps, & free medical care while they are paid cash under the table which is then sent "home" to their families

According to the article, "the federal government is responsible for immigration enforcement"--what a joke. If they had actually protected and secured our borders, the Arizona law wouldn't even be necessary.

Try getting caught in Mexico or any other central/south American country without your passport or other documentation…they will do exactly the same thing…detain you until your identity can be verified…and if you're in the country illegally you'll be held until you're deported, or you can pay a bribe to a usually corrupt government official. Sound familiar? If it's the same there why not here as well? Sounds fair to me.

Jolie Rouge

04-25-2010, 08:52 PM

Mexico’s Glass House.

Someone over at the Center for Security Policy has written the first in a series of articles about the Mexican government and THEIR immigration policies. The first one, which I’ve linked to, points out what the Mexican constitution says on that regard, and how much more harsh it is than OUR current laws.

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/home.aspx?sid=140&categoryid=140&subcategoryid=146&newsid=11942

Every country has the right to restrict the quality and quantity of foreign immigrants entering or living within its borders. If American policymakers are looking for legal models on which to base new laws restricting immigration and expelling foreign lawbreakers, they have a handy guide: the Mexican constitution.

Promulgated in 1917, the constitution of the United Mexican States borrows heavily from American constitutional and legal principles. It combines those principles with a strong sense nationalism, cultural self-identity, paternalism, and state power.

Mexico's constitution contains many provisions to protect the country from foreigners, including foreigners legally resident in the country and even foreign-born people who have become naturalized Mexican citizens. The Mexican constitution segregates immigrants and naturalized citizens from native-born citizens by denying immigrants basic human rights that Mexican immigrants enjoy in the United States.

By making increasing demands that the U.S. not enforce its immigration laws and, indeed, that it liberalize them, Mexico is throwing stones within its own glass house. This paper, the first of a short series on Mexican immigration double-standards, examines the Mexican constitution's protections against immigrants, and concludes with some questions about U.S. policy.

( way to much to C&P - hit the site and read in it's entirety for yourself ... )

The summary....

Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.

Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.

Immigrants are denied equal employment access.

Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens.

Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.

Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.

Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants) and hand them to the authorities.

Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process.

http://www.bigbigforums.com/news-information/548478-mexico-s-glass-house-via-center-security-policy.html

don't kill the messenger whatever's thread dated 07-05-2007

Check out these figures!! Has the U.S. Government gone mad, or is it just the people who are running it....

So often, we get caught up in a debate over political semantics and end up ignoring the hard-shell realities of what we're talking about. According to http://www.ImmigrationCounters.Com here are some of the realities that the Flake-Gutierrez Bill would airbrush out of the picture:

Number of Illegal Aliens in the Country 20,807,645

Money Wired to Mexico City since January, 2006 $ 22,213,001,672.00

Cost of Social Security Services for Illegal Aliens since 1996 $397,450,739,563.00

Number of Children of Illegal Aliens in Public Schools 3,958,789

Cost of Illegal Aliens in K-12 Since 1996: $ 13, 965,063,431.00

Number of Illegal Aliens Incarcerated 332,594

Cost of Incarcerations Since 2001 $ 1,398,127,429.00

Number of Illegal Aliens Fugitives 642,799

Skilled Jobs Taken by Illegal Aliens 9,872,838

Figures can trick your eyes. Take particular note that items 2,3,5, and 7 reflect BILLIONS not millions of dollars -- and that item 3 exceeds one-third of a TRILLION dollars.

Can you imagine how much it will cost taxpayers if we triple the number of Illegals entering this country!!

So, What's in a Billion?.......

fleabones3

04-25-2010, 09:44 PM

I just have this to say. There are not enough jobs for CITIZENS. Our schools are filled to over limit with both CITIZENS and non citizens to the point there are not enough books, teachers, etc. Free education is SUPPOSED to be for the CITIZENS. Education, juvenile programs, even Medicaid and welfare are being drained by non citizens. The illegals, whether they are Mexican, Cambodian , Haitian, etc are not going to get jobs. There are no jobs. Therefore, onto the welfare roll they go. I am not racist.. I am just sick of supporting people with MY tax money that are not here legally. They bring a pregnant woman in, and just because her kid was born here, the whole family gets to stay. Bullcrap. Take your new baby and go back and apply to be a citizen, just like my great great grandparents had to do! Our children should not have to have a half -assed education because we are too busy funding illegal children and illegal parents.

Quaker_Parrots

04-26-2010, 03:13 AM

What about all the Americans who would still be living if these illegals weren't allowed to roam freely here due to their violence, or stupid negligence.

We had an awesome teacher/ husband/ father/ brother/ son/ uncle/ friend taken from our community recently due to an illegal getting all liquored up and driving on the wrong side of a divided 4 lane road early one morning while this fine young man was on his way to work. He died that day. The illegal lived and had minor injuries. This story faded out of the limelight and they never said what happened with the illegal, if he had gone to trial, it would have been in the news.

Jolie Rouge

04-26-2010, 06:38 AM

I agree with the new Arizona Immigration law, the sherriff of Maricopa county stated this morning that he and his 100 trained deputys have been applying that is now gonna become law in 2 months, they've been applying these techniques for over 3 years. It proves if you're trained right, your rights won't be violated,if your legal. If you're illegal, you deserve to be kicked out of our country immediately,that last part was my opinion.

Illegal alien immigration is a major problem in Arizona. Nearly 1 out of 10 people in Arizona are illegal aliens (Az Pop. 5 million and illegal alien pop 460,000). Arizona is also #1 is home invasions, #1 in kidnapping, #1 is confiscated drugs, and #1 illegal alien border crossing). Arizona has a illegal alien problem and 1070 is going to help Arizona in many ways.

While Mexican politicians continue to press the United States to improve the lives of illegal immigrants north of the border, they are failing to make urgently needed reforms that could help their countrymen stay home, political analysts said this week. "Mexico has been totally incapable of resolving its own problems and is finding a convenient scapegoat in the United States," said Luis Rubio, president of the Center of Research for Development, a Mexico City public-policy think tank.

AZ knows what's best for AZ.... Not the Feds

boopster

04-26-2010, 07:58 AM

There appears to have been some sort of agreement between our president and the president of Mexico. All I have read is the Mexican government is angry at AZ and it has something to do with an agreement. Does anyone know what it is?

Where are our elected officials...those *()&*&^* who have promised to uphold our laws and protect our citizens? Do these people think we are all idiots? If so then I want them to know that this idiot sure would never vote for them!

I would love to see a break down of the protesters of 1070. How many are:
illegals
relatives of illegals
employers of illegals
friends of illegals
candidates who get votes and contributions from illegals
anyone who profits from having illegals in this country

We do have some elected officials who want to represent their constituents but there are not enough of them that have the balls to stand up for what is right. While they are afraid of insulting the hispanic community, they in turn are insulting all Americans by not following the laws of this country and thus they are criminals by abetting those who commit these crimes.

Jolie Rouge

04-26-2010, 08:33 AM

They’re back: A gallery of open-borders extremists
By Michelle Malkin • April 26, 2010 11:06 AM
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/04/26/theyre-back-a-gallery-of-open-borders-extremists/

Longtime readers will remember that in 2006 and 2007, I provided extensive coverage of the open-borders radicals who didn’t just push for amnesty, but revealed their anti-American, anti-sovereignty, anti-police, pro-Che colors in all their fury. Some of those posts went viral and this one of the American flag desecration at Montebello High School still shows up in my e-mail box.

Over the weekend, the open-borders extremists returned to the streets. But you won’t see CNN and MSNBC hunting them down Susan Roesgen-style and decrying these fringe wackos.

Since they are back, I am back — doing the job the amnesty-sympathizers won’t do for fear of being labeled RAAAAAAACIST. Behold:

Whoops. They didn’t get the “Wave an American flag” memo:

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The slogan on the back of a protesting Puerto Rican singer from the band Calle 13 says “Luz verde para invadir Arizona. Translation: “Green light to invade Arizona:”

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.... But they keep telling us there’s no such thing as a “no borders” movement:

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And they keep telling us they do believe in law and order:

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I noted one of the hysterical “Fourth Reich” signs last week. Here come more Nazi card-players. Guess they just re-purposed their anti-Tea Party signs:

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More from JWF here. http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/04/when-i-heard-about-it-it-reminded-me-of.html

And here’s racial hoax engineer Al Sharpton screaming “NAZI.” http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/04/al-sharpton-leftist-leaders-compare-arizona-immigration-law-to-apartheid-nazi-germany-and-jim-crow/

Yes, this is a communist flag:

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This is mild in comparison to what her voice mail messages must contain:

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For a taste of what Arizona GOP Gov. Jan Brewer is getting slammed with, just check out the unhinged frenzy of vandalism on her Wikipedia page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jan_Brewer&action=history

I’m sure the New York Times and Rachel Maddow will be churning out sympathetic pieces on the hate and rage being directed at her for simply trying to protect the health, safety, and welfare of Arizona’s law-abiding citizens…

The open-borders circus continues on May 1 with a reprise of the 2006-2007 illegal alien rallies. Check out the photo of the Immigrant Solidarity announcement of the May 1 event right now (I’ve screen-capped it for posterity) Che-mania!

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Their rallying cry:

We are calling A national day of multi-ethnic unity with youth, labor, peace and justice communities in solidarity with immigrant workers and building new immigrant rights & civil rights movement!

Wear White T-Shirt, organize local actions to support immigrant worker rights!

1. No to anti-immigrant legislation, and the criminalization of the immigrant communities.

2. No to militarization of the border.

3. No to the immigrant detention and deportation.

4. No to the guest worker program.

5. No to employer sanction and “no match” letters.

6. Yes to a path to legalization without condition for undocumented immigrants NOW.

7. Yes to speedy family reunification.

8. Yes to civil rights and humane immigration law.

9. Yes to labor rights and living wages for all workers.

10. Yes to the education and LGBTQ immigrant legislation.

We encourages everyone to actively linking our issues with different struggles: wars in Africa, the Americas, Asia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine & Korea with sweatshops exploitation in Asia as well as in Los Angeles, New York; international arm sales and WTO, FTAA, NAFTA & CAFTA with AIDS, hunger, child labors and child solider; as well as multinational corporations and economic exploitation with racism and poverty at home—in order we can win the struggle together at this May Day 2010!

Jolie Rouge

04-26-2010, 11:20 AM

Arizona Immigration Law: Political, Legal Battle Looms
Nathan Thornburgh / Phoenix 42 mins ago

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The protesters have largely dispersed from the lawn of the state capitol, and the camera crews are packing up and heading back East. But in Arizona, three days after Governor Jan Brewer signed the most aggressive anti–illegal immigration law in the country, the question remains: What comes next?

The first thing, say people on both sides of the issue, is to take a deep breath. The Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act, better known as SB1070, won't go into effect until 90 days after the current legislative session ends. "It will probably be in July or August," says Daniel Ortega, a Phoenix lawyer who is chair of the board of directors of the National Council of La Raza. "That's the first thing I am telling people. There's panic in the community."

Even after it does go into effect, it's unclear what immediate impact the law will have on the streets. "I believe this will be rarely applied," says Brian Livingston, executive director of the Arizona Police Association, which supports the bill. "There's no requirement in 1070 that makes an officer check immigration status unless there's suspicion."

SB1070's broad instruction to police that when there is "reasonable suspicion" that a person is an illegal immigrant, a "reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable" to check for documents has the state's top prosecutor fearing that it will be used excessively and will lead to ethnic profiling that would irrevocably damage relations between police and the Latino community. "Policing depends on casual contact," says Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard. "This bill is going to stop that communication, [and] police without citizen observers are a tenth of the value."

There's also disagreement on the potential effect of the law's provisions that allow citizens to sue any agency or official who "limits or restricts the enforcement of federal immigration laws." Some fear that those provisions will bring a flood of court cases against cops and elected officials, but Livingston says the law has enough protections against frivolous lawsuits. Phil Gordon, the mayor of Phoenix who calls SB1070 a "hateful law," disagrees, saying that even seemingly unrelated city ordinances, like the one that prevents high-speed chases in residential neighborhoods, could lead to lawsuits if they even once impede the apprehension of a suspected illegal immigrant.

Gordon fears the law will have serious financial repercussions for Phoenix. First, there is the threat of boycott. He says several convention groups (whom he didn't want to name) have contacted him to say they were considering taking their business elsewhere. And he worries that the law may drive Hispanics - both legal and illegal - from his city: "If people leave, then every store, every business [will] suffer immensely."

The Phoenix mayor also believes, however, that the law's broad language could help the city mount a legal challenge: "We're looking at going to federal and state court and asking for an injunction," says Gordon, "saying that it's unconstitutional, because of the civil rights being violated and the vagueness of the statute."

Russell Pearce, the firebrand state senator who sponsored the original bill, likes to boast that he has won every legal challenge to his other legislation against illegal immigration. But this time could be different. President Obama, who took the unusual step of commenting on a state law when he called SB1070 "misguided" on Friday, ordered the Justice Department to look into the legislation. Some experts say that under Article 1 of the Constitution, only Congress has the right to set immigration law. There is a good reason for that, say opponents of the bill: Even if Arizona is successful in its crackdown, illegal traffic will move to other border states, shuffling the burden elsewhere without solving the national problem.

As for the border crime and cartel violence that has fueled much of Arizona's anxiety about immigration, there's little in SB1070 that would directly address it. "The tea baggers and company aren't the only ones who are frustrated. We need more border patrol," says Attorney General Goddard, who is running for governor as a Democrat. "But the serious crime is the human smugglers, the dope smugglers. [SB1070] doesn't do one thing to fight that."

Supporters say SB1070 helps secure the border, at least indirectly, by making it harder for illegal immigrants to live without scrutiny in Arizona. "When the federal government failed to act, Arizonans did," says J.D. Hayworth, a former Representative who is challenging Senator John McCain in the Republican primary. "[Arizonans] have been asking for years to have the federal government secure that border."

Largely because of that frustration, polls showed that a wide majority of Arizona's voters backed SB1070. And although Hispanics are thought to be about 30% of the general population, they are only 12% of the electorate, says Goddard. The two largest Latino districts - including the one represented by Representative Raul Grijalva, who made an unusual call for a boycott of his own state in protest at the legislation - have some of the lowest voter turnout of any congressional district in the nation.

The legislation looks certain to increase the divide between Hispanics and non-Hispanics in Arizona. At the protest in Phoenix on April 23, more than a thousand people, many of them Latino students, cheered as speakers likened the bill to South Africa's apartheid laws and the World War II Japanese internment act. "We will survive this," said Alfredo Gutierrez, a former state senator. "The people who passed this law will not."

That same day, at Briarwood Country Club in the retirement community of Sun City West, Hayworth and other Republican candidates gathered for a lasagna fundraiser held by the Arizona Federation of Republican Women. Praise for SB1070 was universal and enthusiastic. Just as Hayworth, a former sportscaster with a lustrous tan and sternly knitted brow, entered the room, one of his supporters stood by a table selling "Republican jewelry" and made a prediction of her own: "We will be the last ones standing."

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The Federal gov't has basically abdicated it's Contitutionally mandated responsibility to control our borders. So the choices left to the states are:

A) Control their own borders in order to protect their sovereignty

B) Prosecute those in Washington for failing to adhere to the U.S. Constitution.

C) All of the above

I prefer "C" myself!

Its unfortunate that AZ will have to fight and spend money in this kind of situation over a state issue that should have been resolved by Federal Laws decades ago ! AZ should sue the Feds for failure to preserve and protect the union and the American People ! All states should join in this issue and join in other issues like interest on savers int their state and maximum CC rates ! States need to reassert their sovereignty !

After this law was signed, The local Houston news station did a poll asking if people would support a similar law in Texas, and there was an unbelievable 85% yes vote. This is really quite amazing coming from an informal poll of a huge city. Demonstrate all you want, but that is a number you won't put a dent into.

The Fed's response is not do their job and protect the international border, but complain about the desperate laws being passed because their inaction. If they don't like the law, then protect to boarders. Beware because Texas is next.

Stay steadfast; the majority of the legal citizens of the United States support Arizona and this law. We are behind you! We stand with you!

Well, it's harsh, but the alternatives have not worked. So Arizona may very well be the core of what other states may need to follow to stop the financial bleeding that illegal immigration causes.

Jolie Rouge

04-26-2010, 11:21 AM

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)

Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)

Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)

The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)

A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)

Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)

Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without autorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)

Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)

Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)

Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)

Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

ahippiechic

04-26-2010, 11:41 AM

Maybe we should adopt Mexico's laws on immigration.....

Jolie Rouge

04-26-2010, 12:20 PM

I wonder what Iran's policy is on illegal immigrants ?? The Sudan ?? Columbia ?? China ??

Jolie Rouge

04-26-2010, 12:48 PM

Lovely: An open-borders activist smacks a man with a camera covering the Arizona state capitol protest last week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9Xyer7GTY&

For those of you on Facebook, there’s a “Stand with Arizona” page here.
http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona

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Vandalism at the capitol in Arizona: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/04/26/20100426arizona-capitol-vandalized.html

The Arizona State Capitol has been the scene of many protests over the past few days. Now it’s the scene of vandalism.

Crews came in Monday morning and cleaned up refried beans that someone smeared over windows including Swastikas left on some House and Senate windows.

Capitol police think the vandalism occurred overnight Monday.

And here come the reconquistas again. Digger’s Realm has the report.
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/003366.html

I love the sign in one of those photos that shouts NO COLONIALISM.

Excuse me, but colonialism is when our gubmint occupies your country and takes over the governing process of your country. YOU MEXICANS ARE THE ILLEGAL OCCUPIERS AND COLONIALISTS. WE AREN’T INVITING YOU, WE DON’T WANT YOU HERE, AND YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, IMMORALLY, AND AS OCCUPIERS.

I’m sure it doesn’t matter to most folks here but just as an fyi for discussion
If the illegals working in New York City all of a sudden went poof, every restaurant I know of would need to completely restaff its kitchem, and pay the new workers probably double what the illegals now make (especially with benefits.) So, that would have one simple, direct and immediate effect. Your plate of Pad-Thai would go from 8 dollars to 12, 13 or 14… just sayin’

And that one simple, direct and immediate effect would be to reduce the Unemployment Rate!

Your thinking is deranged:

1) They wouldn’t all go “poof.” The local ecnomies would have time to adjust to the new cost of labor.

2) By your own measure the income of the American workers would be up by double. The American construction workers and manufacturing workers and agricultural workers (etc) who eat there would also have considerably more dollars with which to dine.

3) Taxes could be cut, since American workers would be paying more.

Artificially cheap labor only benefits those who are paying too little for the cheap labor produced goods and services they buy. It screws everyone else, even the businesses that find themselves forced to hire slave labor in order to compete.

LOL, $14 a plate for PadThai? Hell, that IS the current price where I live (and that probably does include some labor from the ‘not-so-legal-or-documented’ variety). I guess I didn’t get the memo that says every American has a right to cheap take out.

Your talking point argument is an argument in favor of not ejecting the 12M+ illegals overnight, something we can’t do anyway.

true dat.
I would also add that if it were not for the unbelievably excessive and ill-conceived regulations on restaurants, ridiculous inspections and fines from overeaching government agencies — and the exhorbitant taxes!– then they would be able to make a better go at it as well, without the necessity of hiring illegals.

Look, when a business model is set up the way it is that you literally have to break the law in order to stay in business — because that is the way it stands, at least here in New York, then that business model is seriously flawed…

Uh-yeah. Just a thought… how fair is it to American workers when businesses hire illegals who undercut the salaries of the native workers? How many people, in this terrible recession, have the money to go out to dinner anymore? I know I don’t. I find it pretty peculiar that exploiting a group of people to provide a service (whether its landscaping, food service, or domestic work) is okay because it means that service is now, somehow, cheaper.

I live in Colorado Springs, CO and one of the open, dirty secrets of this town is the illegal presence in this community. The I-25 corridor, which includes Colorado Springs, has become a HUGE drug trafficking mecca. As a former substitute teacher in this area, I had some Latino punk say that people had a right to come to this country illegally and ditch class (for the May Day, immigration protests in 2006) if he so choose. This kid was saying this in SPANISH, in my presence (I’m bilingual), trying to put one over on the gringa teacher. When I confronted him IN SPANISH, I told him I wasn’t like most people who will put up with his crap.

Here’s another thought: is it also okay for US companies to outsource labor to such places as China, who are also known to manipulate their yuan currency and undercut wages not only globally, but nationally? How is that fair? Maybe if the federal government didn’t enable such practices and encouraged job and wage growth instead, we wouldn’t be seeing such actions now?

Look, we’re going to have price inflation anyway if our government doesn’t STOP SPENDING. Stop wasting our money. It doesn’t matter who delivers services (illegal or legal) when the government can’t put itself on a budget like the rest of America. The price of things will eventually go up REGARDLESS.

BTW, I like Thai food but if I found out that that restaurant used illegal labor I wouldn’t be patronizing that business. I think customers, like business owners, have a part to play in attracting these illegals in the first place. How culpable are people who continue to patronize businesses who use illegal labor? Are they as culpable as the businesses that exploit the illegals?

I love how Americans defend cheap, illegal labor for the sake of their continued reliance on readily available discounts. People complain that Mom and Pop stores are going out of business but they never can understand why. The people who are making out like bandits in this whole sordid situation are the illegals and the businesses while the little guy (customers and small, honest business owners) get the shaft. Those discounts may seem attractive, but every time you buy a cheap product, whose job and business are sacrificed because of it? Are the child labourers who help make IPods really gaining a better life or is Apple? Is the American worker getting a better deal because Apple outsourced its labor? Is the customer getting a better deal when they can buy something that at least is the same, but not built by a child labourer?

So, in the greater scheme of things, that Pad Thai takes on a whole new meaning in the greater context of who produces it and who consumes it .

Jolie Rouge

04-26-2010, 02:47 PM

Arizona immigration conflict heats up
Jonathan J. Cooper, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 42 mins ago

PHOENIX – The conflict over a sweeping crackdown on illegal immigration in Arizona intensified Monday as vandals smeared refried beans in the shape of swastikas on the state Capitol's windows.

More protests were planned Monday after thousands gathered this weekend to demonstrate against a bill that will make it a state crime to be an illegal immigrant in Arizona.

Opponents say the law will lead to rampant racial profiling and turn Arizona into a police state with provisions that require police to question people about their immigrant status if they suspect they are here illegally. Day laborers can be arrested for soliciting work if they are in the U.S. illegally, and police departments can be sued if they don't carry out the law.

But supporters of the law, set to take effect in late July or August, say it is necessary to protect Arizonans from a litany of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Arizona is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.

Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the bill on Friday, argues Arizona must act because the federal government has failed to stop the steady stream of illegal immigrants and drugs that move through Arizona from Mexico.

The fallout over the dispute spread across the border Monday as Mexican President Felipe Calderon said the law is discriminatory and warned relations with the U.S. border state will suffer. Calderon says trade and political ties with Arizona will be "seriously affected," although he announced no concrete measures.

The law has revved up the national debate, drawing the attention of the Obama administration and Congress. Obama has called the new law "misguided" and instructed the Justice Department to examine it to see if it's legal.

The new law makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. Immigrants unable to produce documents showing they are allowed to be in the U.S. could be arrested, jailed for up to six months and fined $2,500.

Arizona officers would arrest people found to be undocumented and turn them over to federal immigration officers. Opponents said the federal government can block the law by refusing to accept them.

Democratic Rep. Raul Grijalva asked the federal government not to cooperate when illegal immigrants are picked up by local police.

State Sen. Russell Pearce, the Republican who sponsored the legislation, said it's "pretty disappointing" that opponents would call on the federal government to refuse to cooperate with Arizona authorities.

"It's outrageous that these people continue to support law breakers over law keepers," Pearce said Sunday.

Grijalva and civil rights activists promised to march in the streets and invite arrest by refusing to comply with the law. Police said the protests Sunday were peaceful and there were no clashes.

"We're going to overturn this unjust and racist law, and then we're going to overturn the power structure that created this unjust, racist law," Grijalva said.

U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., called on Obama to live up to a campaign promise to pass immigration reform. Gutierrez is one of the nation's loudest voices calling for comprehensive immigration reform that would create a pathway to citizenship for the millions of illegal immigrants now in the United States.

"Our message today is: 'Mr. President we listened, and we came out in record massive numbers to support you,'" he said. "We need you to support us today."

The law has drawn support from many in Arizona who are fed up with the many problems brought on by illegal immigration.

"If I go to another foreign country, if I go to Mexico, I have to have papers," said Bill Baker, 60, who took time off work at a downtown Phoenix restaurant to sell umbrellas and Mexican and American flags to the largely Hispanic crowd of protesters. "So I don't feel there's anything particularly harsh about the law."

Supporters have dismissed concerns about profiling, saying the law prohibits the use of race or nationality as the sole basis for an immigration check. Brewer has ordered state officials to develop a training course for officers to learn what constitutes reasonable suspicion that someone is in the U.S. illegally.

Current law in Arizona and most states doesn't require police to ask about the immigration status of those they encounter, and many police departments prohibit officers from inquiring out of fear immigrants won't cooperate in other investigations.

The March 27 shooting death of rancher Rob Krentz on his property in southeastern Arizona brought illegal immigration and border security into greater focus in the state. Authorities believe Krentz was killed by an illegal border crosser.

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boopster

04-26-2010, 03:09 PM

"The fallout over the dispute spread across the border Monday as Mexican President Felipe Calderon said the law is discriminatory and warned relations with the U.S. border state will suffer. Calderon says trade and political ties with Arizona will be "seriously affected," although he announced no concrete measures."

He sure has the audacity to criticize this country when his own country gives absolutely no rights to any person who is not Mexican! If he wants to threaten trade etc, then this country should not allow money sent by illegals into his country....see how he would like losing a portion of the 25 + BILLION dollars that is sent into his country every year from individuals.

Jolie Rouge

04-27-2010, 09:00 AM

Arizona immigration law puts police in 'impossible situation'
By Daniel B. Wood Mon Apr 26, 7:55 pm ET

Los Angeles – Local law enforcement agencies have moved front and center in the national debate over immigration reform with the signing of Arizona’s SB1070 immigration law.

The law – signed Friday by Gov. Jan Brewer (R) – requires law enforcement to check the residency status of those thought to be in the country illegally. Police unions were divided on the issue and some leading law enforcement agencies petitioned Governor Brewer not to sign the bill – fearing racial profiling and loss of the public's trust.

Police face contradicting missions, critics argue. “This obviously puts police in an impossible situation because it requires them to pursue two goals simultaneously: to enforce the immigration laws; and to enforce the criminal laws, keep the peace, provide assistance, and all the other ordinary tasks of police officers,” says Joel Jacobsen, assistant attorney general, criminal appeals division for New Mexico. “Which goal should they pursue?"

Under the new law, the consequences for victim and perpetrator will not align, says Mr. Jacobsen. "It will frequently not be possible to do both, because the officer will be required to arrest perpetrator and victim both, and the punishment experienced by the victim of a violent crime will frequently be more severe and life-disrupting – deportation – than that experienced by the perpetrator – a night in jail, perhaps.”

Immigrants' rights groups say the new practice virtually ensures that police, untrained in immigration enforcement, will engage in racial profiling as a result of the law. Brewer has said that will not occur. People who look Hispanic or who have Hispanic surnames will be stopped, immigrant rights groups claim, while others will not. President Obama has ordered his staff to keep a close watch on Arizona to see if police step over the line.

Untrained local law enforcement have engaged in racial profiling in the past, one study found. The US Inspector General released a study evaluating Section 287(g) laws – those that in 1995 authorized the federal government to partner with local law enforcement agencies to perform immigration law enforcement functions, says Professor Karthick Ramakrishnan, a political scientist at the University of California, Riverside. “The Inspector General found that, because the local police personnel were not trained, there were instances of racial profiling in the implementation of these laws,” he says.

Mr. Ramakrishnan says police departments don’t like SB1070 for two reasons.

One, it distracts police from their energies put into other crime and law and order. Two, immigrants are subsequently less likely to report crimes or serve as witnesses if their legal status is going to be questioned.

“The biggest trend in policing in the past two decades has been community policing in which cops walk the local beat and spend much time gaining the trust of the people,” says Ramakrishnan. “This puts that trend entirely in jeopardy – it is a very big deal for them, indeed.”

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It isn't about race - it is about RESPECT - resect for our country and our laws. It does not matter if you are from Central or South America, North or South Africa, Eastern or Western Europe - it matters that you follow the laws, procedures and processes set up to establish LEGAL IMMIGRATION and intergrate new populations into our country. When you enter and set up residence that you have not requested nor earned - you disrepect our systems of laws and disregard all the people who DO actually follow the rules to enter the country in a LEGAL fashion. THAT ISN'T RACISM.

There are problems with illegal immigration. This law does not solve them and, in fact, is going to have some devastating unintended consequences if it ever takes effect (and not just on those dirty brown people). Its sponsors almost certainly know it won't survive a court challenge, but that just makes them all the more heroic to those who will demonize "activist unelected judges."

Buy, hey, the sponsoring politicians get a boost with their base and it's now OK to be openly racist again.

you both amaze me with your ignorance. People like you make the world the way it is today, full of hate and ignorance. There are better ways to deal with immigration issues than to harass someone because their skin is brown!!! I bet you both are middle aged white people, and you both are dumber than a bag of hammers. Pretty soon, you will be the minority, then you can see what it feels like to be persecuted because of the color of your skin. You make the world a sorry place to live in, but fortunately theres a lot of people out there BETTER than you who do their best to make the world a little better for ALL of us, even you misguided, retarded redneck bigots.

I refer these posters to the policies that Mexico has on legal and illegal immigration....

So, only our politicians and judges have the "training" to handle illegal immigration via an under funded border patrol system. Our local police are called unfit and US citizens are called racist and vigilantes. There is something very wrong with this picture!

Not very well played in the Main Street Media. Had "any" teaparty demonstrator thrown anything at the police it would have been on every network. Good job Arizona and congrats to the Govenor who had the guts to sign the legislation.

boopster

04-27-2010, 12:46 PM

This law does NOT allow any law officer to just walk up to an individual and ask "by the way, are you legal?". This law is no different then when a police official stops a car due to a traffic violation and asks for license, insurance and registration. Upon doing so should the officer see or smell an alleged illegal substance or item, then they have the RIGHT to search the car. Should the driver not have the official documentation for driving this car, then the officer also has a right to arrest the individuals. These are due to the fact the someone or something is illegal....in other words against the law.

If law abiding individuals are so afraid of the officers of the law, then they have a monumental problem and should help......or move to a deserted island!

wubbywa

04-27-2010, 04:37 PM

The word "ILLEGAL" doesnt mean squat in this country anymore:(

pepperpot

04-28-2010, 05:10 AM

The word "ILLEGAL" doesnt mean squat in this country anymore:(

It's actually fashionable.....

Jolie Rouge

04-28-2010, 09:17 PM

Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law
By Amanda Lee Myers, Associated Press Writer Wed Apr 28, 8:44 pm ET

PHOENIX – Many of the cars that once stopped in the Home Depot parking lot to pick up day laborers to hang drywall or do landscaping now just drive on by.

Arizona's sweeping immigration bill allows police to arrest illegal immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them. :clapping

It won't take effect until summer but it is already having an effect on the state's underground economy. "Nobody wants to pick us up," Julio Loyola Diaz says in Spanish as he and dozens of other men wait under the shade of palo verde trees and lean against a low brick wall outside the east Phoenix home improvement store.

Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.

Supporters of the law hope it creates jobs for thousands of Americans. "We want to drive day labor away," says Republican Rep. John Kavanagh, one of the law's sponsors.

An estimated 100,000 illegal immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years as it cracked down on illegal immigration and its economy was especially hard hit by the Great Recession. A Department of Homeland Security report on illegal immigrants estimates Arizona's illegal immigrant population peaked in 2008 at 560,000, and a year later dipped to 460,000.

The law's supporters hope the departure of illegal immigrants will help dismantle part of the underground economy here and create jobs for thousands of legal residents in a state with a 9.6 percent unemployment rate.

Kavanagh says day labor is generally off the books, and that deprives the state of much-needed tax dollars. "We'll never eliminate it, just like laws against street prostitution," he says. "But we can greatly reduce the prevalence."

Day laborers do jobs including construction, landscaping and household work for cash paid under the table. Those jobs have been harder to find since the housing industry collapsed here several years ago.

Standing near potted trees and bushes for sale at a Home Depot in east Phoenix, Diaz, 35, says he may follow three families in his neighborhood who moved to New Mexico because of the law. He says a friend is finding plenty of work in Dallas.

Diaz says he has too much to lose by staying — he's supporting a wife and infant son back home in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, across the border from El Paso, Texas. "They depend on me to survive," he says. "I'm not going to wait for police to come and arrest me."

Jose Armenta, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico's western coast, is already planning to move to Utah within the next 20 days because of a combination of the economy and the new law. "A lot of people drive by," he says as he watched nearby cars speeding past, "and they yell, 'Hey, go back to Mexico!'"

Analysts say it's too soon to tell what lasting effects the law will have on the state's underground work force, which also includes baby sitters, maids and cooks.

A study of immigrants in Arizona published in 2008 found that non-citizens, mostly in the country illegally, held an estimated 280,000 full-time jobs. The study by researcher Judith Gans at the University of Arizona examined 2004 data, finding that they contributed about 8 percent of the state's economic output, or $29 billion.

Losing hundreds of thousands of unskilled laborers wouldn't hurt the state's economy in the short term, but it could limit the economy's ability to grow once it recovers, says Marshall Vest, director of the Economic and Business Research Center at the University of Arizona's Eller College of Management.

Legal workers who are willing to take any available job now will become more choosy if the unemployment rate falls back to low levels seen before the recession hit. "That's really the question, as to whether the existing population is willing to work those (low-level) jobs," Vest says. "I think economics provides the answer. If job openings have no applicants, then businesses need to address that by raising the offered wage."

Some illegal immigrants, however, intended to stick around. Natalia Garcia, 35, from Mexico City, says she and her husband — a day laborer — will stay so their daughters — both born in the U.S. — can get a good education and learn English. The couple have been living in Arizona illegally for the last 10 years. "Mexico doesn't have a lot of opportunities," she says. "Here, we work honestly, and we have a better life."

Olga Sanchez, 32, from southern Mexico, lives in Phoenix illegally with her two brothers, who are 21 and 17. While the youngest boy is in high school, all three work and send money back home to their parents. "This law is very bad for us," says Sanchez, who gets about $250 a week cleaning three houses. "I'm afraid of what's going to happen."

She says the family is going to wait and see if the law takes effect and what the fallout will be before deciding whether to leave. The law is certain to be challenged in court; Phoenix, Tucson and Flagstaff already are considering lawsuits. "All I ask from God is a miracle for us to stay here and work," she says.

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"All I ask from God is a miracle for us to stay here and work," she says.

All WE ask is that you respect our laws and immigrate in a legal manner and follow due process ... just like everyone else is expected to.

boopster

04-28-2010, 09:50 PM

They seem to acknowledge that what they are doing is against the law but they don't seem to care. Some will stay and see what happens while others will travel to other states. This I can interpret meaning that they do not respect the law and thus are teaching their children to give the bird to the law of the land in the same manner that they are doing. They don't seem to care that they are stealing from the taxpayers of this country and feel that their desires are above the laws..... I think there are some elected leaders who might think the same......Boy! are we all in trouble unless this countries leaders suck in their guts and finally do their jobs.

AZ will be losing illegals, but I wonder how welcoming Texas, New Mexico and Utah will be to these illegals based on what the plans are of illegals interviewed. When Texas, New Mexico and Utah pass similar laws , then which states will be the next recipients? Personally I would point then to the White House since our leaders so badly want the illegals and therefore I think they should have them...at their own expense.

Jolie Rouge

04-29-2010, 01:48 PM

Arizona immigration law: painful lessons from Oklahoma
By Sally Kohn Wed Apr 28, 12:01 pm ET

New York – In late 2007, Oklahoma legislators enacted what was then the nation’s toughest anti-immigrant law. Mere months later, state Sen. Harry Coates – the only Republican legislator to vote against the measure – said, “You really have to work hard at it to destroy our state’s economy, but we found a way. We ran off the workforce.”

Perhaps the only upside of Arizona’s new, even harsher anti-immigrant legislation is for Oklahoma, where immigrants and citizens may flee as Arizona’s economy crumbles in the aftermath of its hateful legislative action.

Oklahoma HB 1804, passed in November 2007, cut off undocumented immigrants from state services and made it a crime for anyone, including citizens, to provide transport or assistance to undocumented immigrants.

One study suggests the bill led to an estimated 50,000 people fleeing Oklahoma and a 1.3 percent drop in economic output statewide. As a result, Oklahoma may well have incurred $1.8 billion in economic losses, just as it, like the rest of the nation, was bracing for recession.

That’s a steep price to pay for what even some proponents of the law have acknowledged is a rarely enforced, mostly symbolic measure that has the primary impact of creating a “culture of fear” for the state’s Latino community, both legal and nonlegal residents, causing not only economic harm but psychological pain as well.

It is this culture of fear that connects Oklahoma and Arizona. Both are states littered with crumbling farms and factories and aging populations who feel that any prospect of prosperity is passing them by.

But instead of building a 21st century global economy that works for everyone, Oklahoma and Arizona imagine that kicking out new immigrants will somehow turn the clock back 30 or 40 years, to some heyday that never really existed but, more to the point, could never exist again in our current context.

Immigrants who are stimulating our economy now come from Mexico and the Philippines, not Germany and Poland. Our greatest economic prospects lie in information technology, not corn or manufacturing. Exurbs and urban renewal lure young people to the coasts more than ever. But the reality is, that is nothing new.

Forty years ago, folks in Arizona and Oklahoma were complaining that the immigrants weren’t Irish or Scandinavian, and Tucson and Oklahoma City were luring kids from the countryside. Change is unavoidable. What we can avoid is reacting with irrational fear and scapegoating and hate.

Arizona’s new law will undoubtedly cause even greater economic losses in that state, given that it’s not only harsher, but Arizona has a larger immigrant population and the law is receiving greater national scrutiny. Kristen Jarnagin, spokesperson for the Arizona Hotel & Lodging Association, noted that the state’s significant tourism industry “is certain to experience the unintended consequences of the economic backlash” from the passage of the new law, SB 1070. Already, immigrant rights groups and allies are calling for boycotts of the state.

In 2008, Arizona tourism brought $18.5 billion in revenues into the state. Even a slight dent in that income will be deleterious.

Arizonans are understandably focused on the need for immigration reform. The state is the main port of entry for new immigrants and, as in all states, the recession is putting financial limits on already-strained public services.

Arizona is stepping in to fill the gap left by the failure of Congress to pass workable immigration reform that creates a path to citizenship and moves us all forward together.

Extremist and hateful as Arizona’s law is, it may unfortunately be just the beginning of reactionary state lawmaking if Congress continues to stall.

The negative lessons that Oklahoma has learned, and which Arizona is about to learn, may not be enough to counter fanatical frustration in the face of federal inaction.

If you read the comments on local news websites and blogs where some angry and vocal native Arizonans express support for SB 1070, the professed need for self-defense often overshadows common human decency. “If someone breaks in to your home, you have every right to shoot them dead,” wrote one poster on the Tucson Fox News affiliate’s website. “The USA is our home, why don’t we have the same right? Sounds extreme, but nothing seems to be working.”

But other than being downright hateful and inhuman, Oklahoma already learned the real impact of this attitude: You only end up shooting yourself in the foot.

Sally Kohn is Chief Agitation Officer of the Movement Vision Lab, a grassroots think tank.

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boopster

04-29-2010, 03:00 PM

stimulating the economy......hmmmmm whose economy? They take money made in this country and send it out of the country where the money is spent there and not here. As a matter of fact, here is an example of an American contract that ended up in Mexico
http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=12297925 where "The U.S. Transportation Security Administration stands on the front lines of defending America's airports." yet their uniforms are being made in Mexico. It comes down to stimulat8ing someone else s economy.

Now there are also reports in newspaper, tv and the internet where the facts have been totally misrepresented as to how the state of AZ is going to enforce the new law. People are believing these reports that AZ law officials are going hunting for illegals and that is what the law allows them to do - which is utterly false.

People, open your eyes and read the law for yourself and don't rely on others' interpretations. Look at the facts on how illegal immigration affects you and yours. Use your brains or your brain cells will die before their time.

ahippiechic

04-30-2010, 06:33 AM

hblueeyes

04-30-2010, 07:00 AM

My neighbors are illegal and proud of it. The dad has worked at PepsiCo. for over 20 years. They were here (though not my neighbors) when Carter pardoned illegals and they chose not to take advantage of it. He owns his home and a few years back bought a 5 flat by the KMart. They bring up cars from mexico, fix them up in the backyard and sell them. They bring in relatives from Mexico and house them in the 3 flat they own in Summit. They are nice people but their illegal backyard car enterprise drives me nuts. The problem is that it is all ILLEGAL. I am sure they do not pay taxes on any of their income outside of PepsiCo.

Me

Jolie Rouge

04-30-2010, 09:17 PM

AZ. gov signs bill revising new immigration law
By Paul Davenport, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 2 mins ago

PHOENIX – Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed a follow-on bill approved by Arizona legislators that make revisions to the state's sweeping law against illegal immigration — changes she says should quell concerns that the measure will lead to racial profiling.

The law requires local and state law enforcement to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally, and makes it a state crime to be in the United States illegally.

The follow-on bill signed by Brewer makes a number of changes that she said should lay to rest concerns of opponents.

"These new statements make it crystal clear and undeniable that racial profiling is illegal, and will not be tolerated in Arizona," she said in a statement.

The changes include one strengthening restrictions against using race or ethnicity as the basis for questioning by police and inserts those same restrictions in other parts of the law.

Another change states that immigration-status questions would follow a law enforcement officer's stopping, detaining or arresting a person while enforcing another law. The earlier law had referred to a "contact" with police.

Another change specifies that possible violations of local civil ordinances can trigger questioning on immigration status.

Stephen Montoya, a Phoenix lawyer representing a police officer whose lawsuit was one of three filed Thursday to challenge the law, said the changes wouldn't derail the lawsuit because the state is still unconstitutionally trying to regulate immigration, a federal responsibility.

Montoya said the strengthened restriction on factoring race and ethnicity makes enforcement "potentially less discriminatory" but that the local-law provision is troubling because it broadens when the law could be used.

Both the law and the changes to it will take effect July 29 unless blocked by a court or referendum filing.

Lawmakers approved the follow-on bill several hours before ending their 2010 session.

The sponsor, Sen. Russell Pearce, unveiled the changes at a House-Senate conference committee Thursday. He later said the revisions would not change how the law is implemented but provide clarifications on intent and to make the bill more defensible in court.

"There will be no profiling," Pearce, R-Mesa, said in an interview.

Pearce said the change from the "contact" wording doesn't require a formal arrest before questioning but helps make it clear that racial profiling is not allowed.

"You have to have a real legitimate reason based on some violation or some suspicious activity based on some legitimate reason. It cannot be just on how you look."

There was little debate by lawmakers when the bill was considered, but Democrats opposed to the law criticized the new bill, too.

Rep. Ben Miranda, an attorney who is helping representing a group of Latino clergy who are behind one of three lawsuits filed Thursday to challenge the law, said the Republican-led Legislature's approach to illegal immigration is misguided.

"All parts of Arizona cry out for law enforcement that is reasonable and directed at the most serious crimes that we have in the community," the Phoenix Democrat said Thursday night. "The racial profiling element is real."

Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Phoenix, said the new wording regarding local civil ordinances could spur complaints of racial profiling based on complaints about cars parked on lawns and debris in yards.

Organizers of two referendum campaigns challenging the original law have said they will adjust their filings to reflect new provisions added by the Legislature.

Filing of referendum petitions by July 29 would put implementation of the legislation on hold pending a vote. That vote would either be in November or in 2012, depending largely on when the petitions are filed.

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Jolie Rouge

04-30-2010, 09:55 PM

New iPhone app for Arizona immigration law!
By Jim Sollisch Thu Apr 29, 10:25 pm ET

Cleveland, Ohio – Arizona has just passed a new immigration law requiring police officers to stop anyone who looks like they might be in the promised land of Arizona illegally. Sure the law has sparked some controversy. But because this is America, it can also spur innovation and commerce.

Take me, for example. I'm already hard at work on a new iPhone app that will help Arizona cops and the good citizens of Arizona *perform their new duties and root out illegals. And because it¹s an app, it's useful and fun.

You're going to love using Illegal Eagle, the iPhone app that helps you determine who's an illegal.

Step 1: Take a photo of the suspect. Then watch as the app sifts through multiple data points based on solid anecdotal evidence from thousands of interviews with police officers who have busted illegals in the past. For example, does the suspect have greasy hair? That could be a tell. It's a known fact that illegals don't have regular access to shower facilities.

Stained fingertips? Could be from picking berries. Another sign. And there are so many more loaded into this powerful app.

Step 2: Now the app will ask you three questions to which you answer yes or no.

Question 1: Does the suspect look nervous? People tend to look nervous when you're pointing a camera at them, but this is especially true of illegals.

Question 2: Does the suspect look like he or she could sing The Star Spangled Banner if asked?

Question 3: This one is geo-targeted. The app checks your global position and then customizes the question. For example, if you're in Arizona, it asks you if the suspect looks as if he or she is of Mexican descent. And it prompts you with pictures of typical people from Latin American countries such as Columbia, Mexico – even Chile.

But let's say you're in northern California, and they've just passed a similar law. You're in luck as long as you have the Illegal Eagle app. You'll be prompted with prototypical photos of people from Asian countries.

Living in Detroit? You'll be able to browse pictures of people from obscure Middle Eastern countries.

Step 3: Now the app shows you one of three verdicts. Illegal. Legal. Not enough anecdotal evidence.

If there's still not enough anecdotal evidence to reach a verdict, the app prompts you to ask the suspect a question. Try something simple, like "Que Pasa?" Then record the answer with your iPhone's microphone. The app is loaded with a huge database of dialects, accents, and idioms that are strongly linked to illegal status.

Now you've got your answer. It's that simple.

The Illegal Eagle: Made in America, by legal software programmers working in my garage. And because this is America, several of these programmers were not originally born in America, if you know what I mean. (I assure you they have green cards). Anyhow, one of them came up with another app, one designed to help Congress pass comprehensive immigration reform.

It's a sort of video game called Home of the Brave. Each elected official selects an avatar and then selects what country he or she is from. Then the senator or representative has to get that avatar through a world of pain to the shores of America. Lots of action along the way * daring escapes, secret roundezvous. Apparently, it's based on empathy theory or some such thing.

You've got to love immigrants * legal ones, that is. They're still naïve enough to believe in the promise of America and some words they read on a statue, something about "tired masses yearning to breathe free."

Jim Sollisch is creative director at Marcus Thomas Advertising in Cleveland.

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Jolie Rouge

04-30-2010, 10:03 PM

Immigration law: Hysterics against Arizona
By Rich Lowry - April 27, 2010

In the case of the new Arizona immigration law, the reductio ad hitlerum occurred instantly.

Cardinal Roger Mahony wrote in a blog post, "I can't imagine Arizonans now reverting to German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques." The president of the Hispanic Federation said the law "reminded me of Nazi Germany." Cooler heads merely compared it to apartheid or 1960s-era civil rights abuses.

And here I thought the tea partiers were befouling America's political discourse with their overheated words. They don't hold a candle to His Eminence or the assorted other hysterics decrying the rise of totalitarianism in the American Southwest.

Arizona's offense is to attempt to enforce the nation's immigration laws, in the absence of any serious commitment to do so on the part of the federal government or our political class.

The Arizona law makes it a state crime for aliens not to have immigration documents on their person. This sounds draconian, except it's been a federal crime for more than half a century -- U.S.C. 1304(e). Has the open-borders crowd forgotten that it calls illegal immigrants "undocumented" for a reason?

Police officers asking for papers may be redolent of old World War II movies. But consider the offending provision: "For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state ... where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person."

Hitler would be crestfallen. This hardly reeks of extremism. It means the vast majority of requests for documentation will occur in the course of other police business, like traffic stops.

The police already have the power to stop illegal immigrants, which the Arizona courts have upheld; they already can ask about someone's legal status (the U.S. Supreme Court noted in 2005 that it has "held repeatedly that mere police questioning does not constitute a seizure" under the Fourth Amendment); and they already can detain illegal immigrants. The Arizona law strengthens these existing authorities.

Will they be abused? Upon signing the law, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer issued an executive order for a training program on how to implement it without racial profiling. No matter what her intentions, of course, it's unavoidable that Latino citizens will be questioned disproportionally under the law; nationwide, 80 percent of illegal immigrants are Latino, and the proportion in Arizona must be higher.

Once millions of illegal immigrants are in the country, there's no neat way to get them back out. It's much better to endeavor to stop them at the southern border, something Washington still refuses to do. During the last eruption of the national immigration debate, Congress passed a law mandating a fence along the border. The Bush administration bid it down to a high-tech "virtual fence." And the Obama administration has ceased constructing even that. If the federal government had been in charge of building the Great Wall, it wouldn't have been great or a wall.

It used to be that San Diego and El Paso accounted for most illegal entries. As the border became more secure at those points, Arizona became the hub. The state has an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants out of a population of 6.6 million. They impose countless millions in schooling, health care and incarceration costs, more than $1 billion a year in one estimate. Phoenix has become a kind of lawless Ellis Island, with smugglers holding migrants in "stash houses" there until they can be moved out into the rest of the country.

Arizonians needn't, and shouldn't, tolerate this. Critics accuse the state of unconstitutionally devising its own immigration policy. If it had unilaterally declared its border open to the poor, violence-plagued country to its south, this charge might have force. Instead, it seeks only to enforce the nominal immigration policy of the United States. Perhaps the federal government should try it sometime.

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/04/immigration_law_hysterics_agai.html

Jolie Rouge

04-30-2010, 10:07 PM

MM's column today responds to Mexican President Felipe Calderon’s demagoguery on Arizona’s immigration enforcement law. Calderon has a long history of bashing the U.S. — and then getting rewarded for it with billions of dollars in foreign aid ....

MM reported on Calderon’s aggressive meddling on behalf of illegal aliens through his government consulate offices in America here : http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/21/video-whats-calderon-up-to/

Heather Mac Donald published a thorough investigation of the Mexican government meddle-crats here :http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_4_mexico.html

Allan Wall has reported on it for years. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl//2649399.html

Mike Sweeney, an Arizona Republic letter-writer underscores my column theme today: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2010/04/28/20100428wedlets282.html

“Having traveled into Mexico last year to various cities on the Baja Peninsula, a distance of more than 1,000 miles round-trip, we were stopped more than 20 times at various checkpoints. At most of those stops, we were told to exit the vehicle and we were subjected to rigorous inspections. Where does Mexican President Felipe Calderón get off with his hypocritical outrage at our Senate Bill 1070?”

Where indeed?

How Mexico treats illegal aliens
by Michelle Malkin April 29, 2010

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has accused Arizona of opening the door “to intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement.” But Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens. While open-borders activists decry new enforcement measures signed into law in “Nazi-zona” last week, they remain deaf, dumb or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south.

The Arizona law bans sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration laws, stiffens penalties against illegal alien day laborers and their employers, makes it a misdemeanor for immigrants to fail to complete and carry an alien registration document, and allows the police to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving they are in the U.S. legally. If those rules constitute the racist, fascist, xenophobic, inhumane regime that the National Council of La Raza, Al Sharpton, Catholic bishops and their grievance-mongering followers claim, then what about these regulations and restrictions imposed on foreigners?

– The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset “the equilibrium of the national demographics.” How’s that for racial and ethnic profiling?

– If outsiders do not enhance the country’s “economic or national interests” or are “not found to be physically or mentally healthy,” they are not welcome. Neither are those who show “contempt against national sovereignty or security.” They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own health care.

– Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (see, for example, President Obama’s illegal alien aunt — a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).

– Law enforcement officials at all levels — by national mandate — must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

– Ready to show your papers? Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico’s Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population) and were spotlighted in a 2006 research paper published by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security Policy. There’s been no public clamor for “comprehensive immigration reform” in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited.

Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators “Smash the State,” and holding signs that proclaimed “No human is illegal” and “We have rights.”

But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Noncitizens cannot “in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.” In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any).

As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico’s southern border. The Red Cross has protested rampant Mexican police corruption, intimidation and bribery schemes targeting illegal aliens there for years. Mexico didn’t respond by granting mass amnesty to illegal aliens, as it is demanding that we do. It clamped down on its borders even further. In late 2008, the Mexican government launched an aggressive deportation plan to curtain illegal Cuban immigration and human trafficking through Cancun.

Meanwhile, Mexican consular offices in the United States have coordinated with left-wing social justice groups and the Catholic Church leadership to demand a moratorium on all deportations and a freeze on all employment raids across America.

Mexico is doing the job Arizona is now doing — a job the U.S. government has failed miserably to do: putting its people first. Here’s the proper rejoinder to all the hysterical demagogues in Mexico (and their sympathizers here on American soil) now calling for boycotts and invoking Jim Crow laws, apartheid and the Holocaust because Arizona has taken its sovereignty into its own hands:

Hipócritas.

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/04/28/police-state-how-mexico-treats-illegal-aliens/

Jolie Rouge

05-03-2010, 08:48 PM

Official: Mayor can't challenge AZ immigration law
By Jacques Billeaud, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 14 mins ago

PHOENIX – A proposed legal challenge to Arizona's new immigration law took a hit Monday when the Phoenix city attorney said Mayor Phil Gordon doesn't have the power to target the law without the support of the City Council.

Gordon was hoping to file a lawsuit to stop the law requiring local and state law enforcement officers to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally.

After failing to gather enough support from City Council members, Gordon had claimed he could file a lawsuit without their approval.

But the legal opinion by City Attorney Gary Verburg said only the City Council has the power to authorize lawsuits.

"I just don't think we should be dragging the city of Phoenix and the taxpayers into this when they say they don't want us to file a lawsuit," said Sal DiCiccio, a City Council member who supports the law.

Gerardo Higginson, a spokesman for Gordon, didn't immediately return a call seeking comment late in the day.

Four lawsuits challenging the law were filed last week by the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Christian Leaders, a Washington-based researcher who plans to visit Arizona and two police officers, one from Phoenix and the other from Tucson.

The officers filed the lawsuit as individuals and weren't challenging the law on behalf of their employers.

Meanwhile, a delegation of local officials from Arizona planned to meet Tuesday in Washington, D.C., with a representative of he U.S. Justice Department's civil rights division to discuss the impact that law will have on the Latino community.

Arizonans who plan to attend include Maricopa County Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox, state Rep. Kyrsten Sinema and the Rev. Saul Montiel of Epworth United Methodist Church in Phoenix.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has said the federal government may go to court to challenge the new law.

Eliseo Medina, international executive vice president at Service Employees International Union, said the Arizona delegation asked for the meeting to convey a sense of urgency about the need for legal action.

State lawmakers who pushed for the new law had cited the fatal shooting of a cattle rancher near the Arizona-Mexico as evidence that border security must be strengthened.

A law enforcement official said Monday that a man suspected of killing rancher Robert Krentz more than a month ago was a Mexican who was recently in the U.S.

The official said it's not known if the suspect was still in the U.S. and noted the person who killed rancher Robert Krentz more than a month ago wasn't believed to be a U.S. citizen. The official works for an agency that isn't leading the investigation and requested anonymity.

Carol Capas, spokeswoman for the Cochise County Sheriff's Office, which is leading the investigation, declined to confirm the account.

Krentz was on his all-terrain vehicle checking water lines and fencing when he was shot March 27 on his 35,000-acre ranch northeast of Douglas, Ariz. The wounded rancher managed to speed away before he lost consciousness and died.

At a congressional hearing last month, Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever said the rancher was believed to have been killed by an illegal immigrant who was headed to Mexico and worked as a scout for drug smugglers.

Scouts generally serve as mountaintop lookouts for drug smugglers, instructing the drivers for smuggling rings to pull over and hide when authorities are nearby.

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pepperpot

05-04-2010, 05:20 AM

It's mind blowing. What part of ILLEGAL do they not understand?....all their arguments fall apart once the base premise of the person is ILLEGAL.

Just like DUI.....if you are DUI and someone intentionally jumps in front of the vehicle, you are still WRONG and held liable. Same thing here, the initial DUI/ILLEGAL negates all other arguments.

boopster

05-04-2010, 06:15 AM

"Meanwhile, a delegation of local officials from Arizona planned to meet Tuesday in Washington, D.C., with a representative of he U.S. Justice Department's civil rights division to discuss the impact that law will have on the Latino community."

Ummmmmm what about the impact that this has on all US citizens? What happened to our rights?

Jolie Rouge

05-05-2010, 11:58 AM

Since the media has shelfed this topic, I won't.

With the recent bombing of US Consulate in Mexico (http://www.cbs4denver.com/wireapnational/US.Embassy.in.2.1 624618.html) and shooting of a Sheriff Deputy, I am surprised that the Federal Government is not doing more to protect the law abiding citizens of America. We are being attacked by a foreign country, invaded by 20 million illegal insurgents and are being threatened to be killed by pick axes and shovels.

Please President Obama protect my family and send in the troops! We are in dire need of a safe and secured homeland.

Now back to your regular, scheduled "news" ...

Jolie Rouge

05-05-2010, 01:33 PM

You know about the open-borders sympathizing Phoenix Suns and their “Los Suns” uniform stunt.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h296/THEc0nr4d/LosSuns.png

They’ve got the support of both the basketball and baseball players associations:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-05/-los-suns-nba-jerseys-put-focus-on-arizona-law-update1-.html

The National Basketball Players Association said in a statement yesterday that the Arizona immigration law is “disappointing and disturbing” and called for its repeal or modification. The players’ union also praised the Suns.

“We applaud the actions of Phoenix Suns players and management and join them in taking a stand against the misguided efforts of Arizona lawmakers,” said the statement by NBPA Executive Director Billy Hunter.

Last week, the Major League Baseball Players Association also criticized the Arizona law and said the union “will consider additional steps necessary to protect the rights and interests of our members.”

And basketball and baseball fans who support immigration enforcement, national security, and the rule of law should consider taking the proper steps to protect their rights and interests — by voting with their feet and refusing to do business with open-borders sports organizations.

Perhaps Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver should stop shoving politics down his ticket-buyers’ throats, mind his own business — and stop using our taxpayers dollars to keep him afloat. A reminder from the Phoenix New Times: http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/02/phoenix_suns_owner_robert_sarv.php#

Forget the expensive business conferences: The greatest example of government bailout excess may just be Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver, whose banks have taken $140 million in Troubled Asset Relief Program funds.

Yeah, it must be nice to be the CEO of a couple of banks that need massive public assistance and still be able to afford your own a basketball team.

“Afford” being a relative term. With trade rumors raging, Sarver’s reportedly seeking to shed $40 million from his team’s payroll in order to make ends meet. In other words, you’re helping Sarver keep his banks even as he short-changes your team.

New uniform proposal: Los Moochers. If the shirt fits…

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So they want to pick and choose which laws to support and enforce... I wonder how Big Daddy Goverment would react if all these miilion dollar atheles chose to boycott the tax laws?

We ought to just jump the turnstiles at NBA and MLB games and grab the best seats to demonstrate an important point to these pinheads.

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Jump the turnstyle, shoot the security guards, demand free food and drinks, bring cocaine and pot to sell to anyone in the crowd, including minors. Then get incensed and cry racism and profiling when you are asked to leave.

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It’s hilarious that the NBA — Deadbeat Dad Central — is getting preachy about the rest of us not wanting to support illegal aliens. Get some of your fellow players to pay for their own kids before you chastise the rest of us for not wanting to support somebody else’s family — and an illegal one at that.

boopster

05-05-2010, 03:37 PM

If I were a ticket holder I would ask for my money back. Why? Based on the fact that they do not support the Federal and state law regarding people who come into this country illegally. People who come into this country illegally are working here (since they are not millionaires and have to paid for certain necessities), sending a portion of this money back to their country and many are not paying taxes. They are also given free medical care at the expense of those who do pay taxes. Some can receive food stamps, housing and education.....at the expense of the taxpayers. If they (basketball and baseball associations) don't see anything wrong in people who are in this country illegal and taking services they don't pay for, then how would it be different if they took away the paid for seats of their fans and gave them away for free to those who are here illegally?

Jolie Rouge

05-05-2010, 09:12 PM

Reaction low key to "Los Suns"
By Matt Paulson, Ap Sports Writer 1 hr 31 mins ago

PHOENIX – Suns fans wore "Los Suns" jerseys and T-shirts and a group of four even entered the arena with sombreros for their team's playoff game against the San Antonio Spurs.

There was a lone protester holding up a homemade sign outside the arena who was against the idea of the "Los Suns" jerseys Phoenix wore Wednesday night for Game 2 of its second-round series.

Otherwise, it was a typical game night around US Airways Center.

The Suns made headlines the day before with their decision to wear "Los Suns" jerseys on the Cinco de Mayo holiday. A new Arizona immigration law has drawn widespread criticism from Latino organizations and civil rights groups that say it could lead to racial profiling of Hispanics. President Barack Obama has called the law "misguided."

The protester, who identified herself only as Karen from Glendale, held a sign which read
The Phoenix Suns support drug runners; armed coyotes; drop houses; extradition; forced labor; forced prostitution of illegals; murder of Arizona citizens on their own property; assault on law enforcement officers.

"I was disappointed that the ownership for the Suns organization decided to not support our state's efforts to do something about the problem we have on our borders," said the woman, who added she came to the arena only to protest. "How they feel personally on their own time is one thing, but as an organization that has so much influence over public opinion — it's like the outsiders that come in. Their views on the bill are distorted, too."

Pedro Flores of Phoenix came to the game wearing an Amare Stoudemire "Los Suns" jersey and said he's proud his team is taking a stand on the controversy. "It's good and on Cinco de Mayo day," he said. "I think it's great."

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Maybe we should change the NBA to the Associacion Nacionale de basketbol

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Oh, give me a break! That's really kissing up to the hispanic community. Is he afraid to be blackballed by hispanics. I'm hispanic, and I think the new law is great. Go Spurs Go!

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If they're gonna start supporting illegals
then my support for them just ended.

GO SPURS!!!

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Wear a different color shirt under the jersey and your fined. Let's stop all this pandering and political correctness and play in the NBA...not the W(orld)BA
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WHY???!!! Why are citizens of U.S continually keep sucking up to those freeloading, majority criminalize behavior and celebrate their causes?!!!! Don't they understand that these freeloaders are hurting America through the increasing violence, crime, welfare system, overburdening our health care and its increasing our taxes to cover them for these items!!!

What ever happened to show the positives of going through immigration legally?? it seems that we are not reinforcing correct behavior such as bailing out wealthy and those that scammed off the system instead of those who choose responsibility!

ARIZONA KEEP THE LAW -- I see no reason if a police stop you for something and you dont have a license or insurance that is good enough to suspect your here illegal!
it will save lives and help the economy from taking in mexico's criminal underground

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NBA are run by IDIOTS! We are all not against those that came here LEGALLY!!! its about those who come illegal and created crime here on citizens that is what is going on...players/coaches are uninformed and are speaking as if they are

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It's all about the money, they are afraid that people won't come and watch them play ball. It they do this then maybe when they play out of state people won't boycott them. It's all about the money.....

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People of AZ should not support this decision by the SUNS as it shows that a hometown team does not seem to care about all the killing and raping being done in their state....what a slap in the face of citizens of ARIZONA that their professional team is backing ILLEGALS WHO COMMITTED RAPE AND KILLING OF PEOPLE IN THE STATE!!!!

KERR your an idiot and show no compassion for people in your state and hope suns see a backlash of fan support for this action.

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Spurs in 4!

Remember the Alamo!

Let ALL English speakers boycott the Suns from now on. They have made a big mistake by doing this because illegals don't buy tickets nor do they even know how the game is played. How stupid can you be to politicize sport.

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They forgot the ER ... it should be LOSER Suns. What fools.

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If Pinal County Deputy Louie Puroll would have died last week when he was shot by illegal aliens with an AK-47, would they have worn a patch to honor him?

They're called 'illegal aliens' because they are here illegally. To me, if you support them, then you support ALL illegal activities and are no different from any of them!!!!!

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This is awesome! I have a whole new appreciation for the Phoenix Suns. As time progresses, we will see more and more prominent people come out against the racism of Arizona's lawmakers. Go Suns!

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Why not recognize other criminal groups? Los Murderers; Los Rapists; Los Pedophiles ...

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That's too close to "Lose Suns". He's gonna jinx his team.

They should save it for San Antonio. More mescans there anyway.

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Why doesn't anyone catch on to the key word in the phrase...ILLEGAL aliens!

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I cannot believe that the NBA would allow this. To allow political adgenda such as the illegal alien law passed by the state of Arizona to be brought to the public in this fashion is appalling. I have lost all respect with the NBA.

BTW... Steve Nash is Canadien... is he going to be deported? Not a chance!!!

KEEP POLITICS OUT OF SPORTS!!!!!

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Why not have Los Suns on front and Spurs Lose on back.
The power of suggestion strategy!

Note the MSM only reported on the reactions that they support ...

Jolie Rouge

05-06-2010, 02:10 PM

Senator asks Ariz. to hold off on immigration law
Laurie Kellman, Associated Press Writer – 5 mins ago

WASHINGTON – A prominent Senate Democrat is asking Republican Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer to put off her state's controversial new immigration law for a year — a long shot request.

The idea is to hold off until Congress can try to pass broad new federal policies that would put millions of illegal immigrants on a path to citizenship.

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer asked Brewer to delay the law that would make it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and direct police to question people about their immigration status.

The law is slated to take effect July 29, and Brewer has no authority to delay its start without calling the legislature back into session — something her spokesman says she's unwilling to do.

As a candidate, President Barack Obama promised to reform immigration policy. But last week he said what lawmakers of both parties have acknowledged: Such a bill is highly unlikely to pass during this election year.

Still, at a Cinco de Mayo celebration Wednesday at the White House, Obama said he wanted to start work on immigration legislation this year. On Thursday, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs sounded a more pessimistic note. "There's not enough support to move forward," Gibbs said, citing a lack of Republican backing.

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You have got to be kidding me...... The people of the state of Arizona have spoken loud and clear on enforcing the law and they have the support of the majority of the LEGAL citizens of this country.

An Illegal Alien is breaking the law by being in this country. But the current administration not only supports these law breakers, but in fact encourages them, then rewards them.

Any politician that does not support the deportation of Illegal Aliens should be ashamed of themselves and be removed from office and replaced by someone who will follow the law.

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Sen. Schumer, how about NO!! Why don't you worry about your own state because you have absolutely no clue as to what is best for Arizona, and nor do you care. So why should Arizonans care what you ask? Since Democrats love the polls so much, check them, the majority of Arizonans and Americans in general support the law. Maybe you the Feds spent some time making sure the laws that are already on the books were enforced Arizona would have had to step in.

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Tell Schumer to mind his own business, He can't even run NY yet he has the guts to stick his nose in Arizona's business. Its just a ploy to delay engaging the start of a new law till after elections so they can screw us again like they did with the health care! If GOV Brewer lets this happen come next year there will be even more illegals, and then amnesty for everyone, and its the end of the good ol USA as we know it now!

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Sen. Schumer, how about NO!! Why don't you worry about your own state because you have absolutely no clue as to what is best for Arizona, and nor do you care. So why should Arizonans care what you ask? Since Democrats love the polls so much, check them, the majority of Arizonans and Americans in general support the law. Maybe if you, the Feds, spent some time making sure the laws that are already on the books were enforced Arizona would not have had to step in.

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Tell the Senator to go to He11. Or pay the state 2 to 3 million $ wasted by illegals in the state for the next year out of his own pocket. I don't think so.

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Don't fall for it Governor. Stay the course and let's see how this pans out. If your state loses illegals by the droves and crime goes down, then you have done a service for all of the citizens you represent..

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yeah he needs a few more votes, acorn has not recovered yet and they need time to reestablish their new identities. so let more in so he can get more. i hear greece is looking to become our next state.

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More and more BS.

Why is it unfair to enforce the laws in the US ????

Our roads are crumbling, our schools are shutting down, the welfare system is ready to burst......and yet, we as a nation want to be PC, and not offend any minority.

Wake up, it's about enforcing the law.

I live in California, where we spend $30,000,000,000 Billion Dollars a year on social services for Illegal Aliens. Add in the law enforcement and prisons that house illegals, and the $$ reaches 40 Billion. My standard of living continues to go down, because I'm paying for a problem that our Federal Goverment is too afraid to tackle.

Tens of millions have waited years and spent their life savings to immigrate to the US LEGALLY, so why do Mexicans think they can break the law, just show up on our doorstep, and expect we as a nation to smile and open our arms for them??

Change the law, or enforce the law we have.

Yet we have become a spineless nation, the laughing stock of the rest of the world ... especially the Middle East

Jolie Rouge

05-10-2010, 08:25 PM

Ariz. referendum drives targeting new law dropped
By Paul Davenport, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 48 mins ago

PHOENIX – The two proposed referendum drives challenging Arizona's new sweeping law targeting illegal immigration are being abandoned, organizers said Monday. Andrew Chavez, a professional petition circulator involved in one of the efforts, said its backers pulled the plug after concluding they might not be able to time their petition filings in such a way as to put the law on hold pending a 2012 public vote.

Jon Garrido, the chief organizer of the other drive, attributed its end to a belief that the law would have been subject to legal protections under Arizona's Constitution if approved by Arizona voters.

The law takes effect July 29 unless implementation is blocked by court injunctions requested under at least three of the four pending legal challenges already filed by an Hispanic clergy group, police officers and other individuals.

Its provisions include requiring that police enforcing another law must question a person about his or her immigration status if there is "reasonable suspicion" that the person is in the United States illegally. It also makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally.

Critics have said the law will result in racial profiling of Hispanics. Supporters deny that and say the law will pressure illegal immigrants to leave the country on their own.

Chavez said his clients, whom he would not identify, launched the effort in the belief that they could put the law on hold until 2012 by not filing petition signatures until it was too late for state elections officials to place a referendum on the November ballot.

However, the backers decided over the weekend to end the referendum campaign when they concluded there still might be a November vote, not giving them enough time to be confident about being able to wage a successful campaign against the law, Chavez said.

The normal deadline for ballot questions is July 1, after which the printing of November ballots and other election preparations typically get under way. The Secretary of State's Office previously acknowledged that a down-to-the-wire referendum filing by this year's July 28 deadline might not give officials enough time to get it on the November ballot. However, the office also said it would depend on circumstances at the time.

Garrido, the chief organizer of the second referendum drive, said its backers abandoned it after getting legal advice that Arizona's constitutional protections for voter-approved ballot measures would have applied to the law if approved by voters.

Secretary of State's spokesman Matt Benson said Monday the office also believes that the constitutional limitations on possible legislative action would have applied to the law if voters approved it.

The constitutional provisions bar the Legislature from repealing a voter-approved law and only allow legislative changes that further the intent of the original law. Also, any changes must be approved by three-quarters votes of both the House and Senate.

The four legal challenges filed so far in U.S. District Court in Phoenix have been randomly assigned to different judges. Several major civil-rights groups are expected to file another challenge as early as this week.

No hearings have been set yet on the lawsuits, which likely will be consolidated into one case before a single judge. That judge would then set a schedule for consideration of the plaintiffs' requests for injunctions and rulings to strike down the law.

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Jolie Rouge

05-11-2010, 07:39 AM

After Arizona, why are 10 states considering immigration bills?
By Daniel B. Wood Mon May 10, 8:01 pm ET

Given the anger sparked by Arizona's immigration bill nationwide – including protests and calls to boycott Arizona – the campaign promises of Colorado gubernatorial candidate Scott McInnis could be seen as a bit of a surprise.

He has vowed to follow Arizona's lead and pass a tough new anti-illegal immigration law. “We are stopping the retreat. No more retreat,” he said in a local radio interview. “Federal government, if you are not going to do it, we are going to do it.”

Mr. McInnis's comments are but one example of how the Arizona firestorm has hardly scared off politicians in other states around the country. In some cases, it might actually be encouraging them.

Oklahoma is looking at passing tougher penalties for illegal immigrants caught with firearms. South Carolina might make it illegal to hire workers on the side of the road. In addition, state immigration legislation is also being considered in Idaho, Utah, Missouri, Texas, North Carolina, Maryland, Minnesota, and Colorado.

In many cases, the potential legislation is merely part of the perpetual national debate about immigration, which has taken form in more than 200 state-level immigration bills being signed into law each year from 2007 to 2009, notes Catherine Wilson, a political scientist at Villanova University in Philadelphia.

But there could be at least a shade of political opportunism as well, says Steven Schier, a political scientist at Carleton College in Northfield, Minn. “This all means that Republicans elsewhere see political advantage in pressing for Arizona-style laws,” he says

Arizona law: A tipping point for states?[i]

That would not be unprecedented. In 2004, Arizona approved Prop. 200, which barred illegal immigrants from receiving most nonessential state benefits and services. Many other states followed.

Anti-illegal immigration advocates argue that the new Arizona immigration law represented a tipping point that other states are now following. “What we are witnessing around the country is that the public’s patience is wearing out with the federal government’s failure to enforce immigration laws and protect the interests of American workers and taxpayers,” says Ira Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). “Local officials – who tend to be more in-tune with the concerns of their constituents – are responding and doing what they can to address a serious problem for their states and communities,” he says.

But the movement among statehouses to enact immigration-related legislation began to take shape well before the Arizona law, says Professor Wilson.

She pinpoints 2006, and notes that the 200 immigration-related bills passed between 2007 and 2009 included 40 states and ranged in topic from law enforcement and employer verification to identification and licenses.

New levels of frustrationThe public’s renewed focus on immigration issues, together with recent events like the high-profile killing of an Arizona rancher, are expected to increase the tide of legislation. Three national polls have shown wide support for Arizona's SB 1070 in particular and crackdowns on undocumented immigrants in general. “We should expect this trend of state-level activity to accelerate this year in the absence of federal legislation on immigration," Wilson says.

President Obama’s tacit acknowledgment that immigration reform is not feasible in the short term and his recent quips at a White House correspondents' dinner – where he mocked the Arizona law – have fueled frustration, says Jack Pitney, a political scientist at Claremont McKenna College.

Immigration activists have posted a video to YouTube that juxtaposes his comical remarks with statistics on soaring drug smuggling and narcotics prosecutions. The video includes the punch line: “President Obama, broken borders are not a laughing matter. Do your job and secure the border.”

“President Obama's mockery of the Arizona law has handed ammunition to its proponents,” says Professor Pitney, pointing out that the ad is paid for by Arizona’s Republican governor, Jan Brewer.

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Sorry - you can blame this "open borders" travesty on Obama alone - Bush's policies and Clinton were no better... but at least they didn't make fun of the situation.

gmyers

05-11-2010, 08:56 AM

I agree if the federal government wont help the states with this problem then they should be allowed to do what they have too. I don't think what Arizona is doing is prejudiced.

Jolie Rouge

05-11-2010, 08:29 PM

Arizona immigration law hits Latino businesses
By Tim Gaynor Tue May 11, 1:30 pm ET
PHOENIX (Reuters) – A month ago, Efrain Gaytan's Mexican diner was bustling with migrant workers wolfing down a breakfast of eggs and burritos before they headed out to work as landscapers and day laborers across west Phoenix.

But around 8 a.m. all but three tables are empty as customers rattled by Arizona's tough new law cracking down on illegal immigrants stay away -- even though the law does not go into effect until July.

"Before, there would have been a lot of people eating breakfast but now everyone is worried that they're going to get pulled over," Gaytan, 42, said one recent weekday morning.

The Arizona law requires state and local police, after making "lawful contact," to check the immigration status of anyone they reasonably suspect is in the country illegally.

Migrant-dependent businesses from cafes and car dealers to pinata shops in the state capital Phoenix say they already are taking a big hit as fear ripples through the Hispanic community.

Gaytan, whose bright, clean diner offers Mexican staples such as beef soup and spicy seafood dishes, says turnover slumped 35 percent to 40 percent after Arizona's Republican Governor Jan Brewer signed the bill into law on April 23.

Polls taken immediately after it passed showed the law was supported by almost two-thirds of Arizona voters and a majority of voters nationwide. But opponents charge the state law is unconstitutional and a mandate for racial profiling. They are seeking to derail it court.

Some migrants targeted by the law already have begun heading back to their home country or moving to other states, selling off their belongings at numerous weekend yard sales in Latino communities across metro Phoenix.

Others are opting to stay put, while trying to limit their exposure to possible arrest -- a tactic that second-hand car dealer Richard Ruiz says has devastated his business selling cheap cars to low-wage migrants in the city.

"The people I sell to don't want to buy, they don't even want to drive," said Ruiz, 31, who sells clunkers he picks up at auction to migrants for $1,000 to $2,000.

"They're taking cabs now or asking people who have documents to drive them to work."

'IT WILL BE A GHOST TOWN'

Hispanics make up 30 percent of the desert state's population of 6.6 million and their annual buying power is estimated at $31 billion, according to a recent study by the Arizona Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

Of about 50,000 Latino-owned business in the state, most are small family-owned firms in the Phoenix area, the Chamber said. It has no hard estimate of the economic impact of the state immigration law on migrant-dependent firms.

However, some business owners say the plunge in spending since the measure was passed has thrown the future of their firms into doubt and threatened the jobs of their legal immigrant and U.S.-citizen employees.

Maritza Martinez, 36, who has a party planning business selling cakes and pinatas to a niche Hispanic market in west Phoenix, said she has placed the store's lease on a month-to-month basis since the law was passed. She put her workers -- all of them documented -- on short hours.

"We normally work five days (a week) but now we're each resting two or three days," said Martinez, who said she has lost 70 percent of her bookings and taken on no new business since April 23.

Gaytan, meanwhile, a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Mexico, says the three legal employees who cook, wait tables and ring up checks at his diner now face an uncertain future as his income plunges.

"If it carries on like this, I'll have to close and fire my workers," said Gaytan, who is thinking of starting over in Oregon or New Mexico.

"They have all got their own families and they're not going to want to go with me if I go to another state."

With his livelihood fast disappearing, car dealer Ruiz also is thinking of joining migrants fleeing Arizona, the state he has called home since leaving his native Florida a decade ago.

"I don't see what else I can do but leave," he said. "There's not going to be anything left here. It will be a ghost town."

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the process of cleaning the entire country from illegal immigrants will have its impact on entire communities. there will be movement of illegals outside and between state. to tackle the immigration problems, every single state has to adopt the same law, it will be harsh on the economy, and the way of life, but it is a change, and this president is about change, we are all ready for change, this is one of them . clean up the mess we have inherited from previous law makers who fear cleaning it for political and tactical business and government interest. it is very simple, u want them legalise their status, you dont want them - they should go home, since they are illegals.any other solution is no solution....mike.

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Such is life. When a person chooses to support illegal activity, be it drug sales, kidnapping, etc.,
you shouldn't cry when the law finally cracks down on your clientel.
The man that knowingly sells cars to illegals should go to jail, and have to pay for all the damage caused by his unlicensed, uninsurred customers.
This wholesale support of criminal activity is exactly what it sounds like. Support of criminal activity.
It's time for the illegals to understand, that the free ride is almost over, and just go home,
apply for legal entry, and wait in line, just as many others are doing now.
You are not entitled to special treatment just because you have gotten away with breaking the law for so long.
Go home and protest your corrupt, criminal governments, and make your home better for you and your people.

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well maybe just maybe legal immigrants wil get those jobs and be paid a real wage...which is why the law was passed in the first place....
and maybe those proud hard working honest mexicans will try to grow a set of balls and take back their own country from the corrupt thugs
they let take it from them instead of abandoning their wives and kids and running away buncha cowards if you ask me

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Nice to see how the media has taken an ILLEGAL ACTION and turned it into a sob story in order to sensitise the American people
instead of calling an ILLEGAL ACTION ... illegal

The FACT is ... is that poor people and teenagers used to do all these jobs that illegals are doing ...
The left and the media are trying to convince you otherwise ...
but I gave you the FACTS. The problems come when businesses take advantage of illegals
and make them work 12 hours or low pay because they ARE illegal

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What part of ILLEGAL do some not understand?
What does it say about a country whose citizens feel they have to leave to make a life for themselves?
Mexico is BROKEN and those in power in Mexico see no reason to fix their country as long as millions
or possibly billions of dollars are coming south from the U.S. every year.
Their broken economy pushes their people north. Remember the old saying “Strong fences make good neighbors”.

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Yep, this new immigrant law was really well thought out, all right.

I wonder how long it's going to be before crops stop coming in and garbage stops getting picked up?

I can't quite see a white US citizen accepting 3 bucks an hour to spend 8 back breaking hours of hard labor in the heat.

No human should be forced to work like that - it is a bare step above slavery ... and this is what the Dems and Libs are defending ??

Jolie Rouge

05-11-2010, 08:31 PM

Evangelicals' full-page ad in D.C. will call for immigration reform
Tue May 11, 1:30 pm ET
Galen Carey, director of government affairs for the National Evangelical Association, tells Yahoo! News the organization is seeking to rally support for comprehensive immigration reform. The campaign begins with a full-page ad Thursday in Roll Call, a Washington newspaper that covers Congress.

"What we say is: There does need to be some workable system that's put in place to address the situation of people that are already here," Carey said.

The association, which includes members from 40 evangelical denominations, reached consensus on the issue of immigration reform in 2009 — almost two years after President George W. Bush's failed attempts to reform immigration — by focusing on the biblical material that supports immigration. (The group took no official stand on the issue during the last congressional debate.) The group's 2009 resolution on immigration includes several paragraphs citing scriptural authority:

"Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the families of his sons turned to Egypt in search of food," it says. "Joseph, Naomi, Ruth, Daniel and his friends, Ezekiel, Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther all lived in foreign lands. In the New Testament, Joseph and Mary fled with Jesus to escape Herod's anger and became refugees in Egypt."

The 2009 resolution calls for a path to citizenship for immigrants who are in the country illegally but "who desire to embrace the responsibilities and privileges that accompany citizenship."

Thursday's ad, Carey said, calls for reform that "establishes a path toward legal status and/or citizenship for those who qualify and who wish to become permanent residents."

Critics on the right have labeled this approach amnesty. The controversy over a path to citizenship was instrumental in the 2007 defeat of the Bush proposal. "We're hoping that the more united voice of evangelicals this year will have an impact" in getting momentum behind comprehensive reform in this Congress, Carey said.

The full-page ad's signatories include Richard Land, head of the Southern Baptist Convention's public policy section, and Mathew Staver, dean of the Liberty University School of Law. Those leaders told CNN they would begin lobbying Republican lawmakers on reform. The Southern Baptist Convention is one of the few large evangelical denominations that is not a part of the National Evangelical Association, Carey said.

A 2006 survey from the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that frequent churchgoers are more likely to support path-to-citizenship reforms than occasional attendees are.

One possible reason for the new evangelical push on the issue is that immigrants make up a big part of the recent growth in evangelical congregations.

"We have 40 denominations, and in general I think it's fair to say that for most of our members the immigrant congregations are the fastest-growing," Carey said. "Their voices are increasingly being heard within the church."

Such demographic changes are lending new urgency to the NAE's stand on the issue, Carey said. "Congress needs to act, and they need to act now. Every day more and more immigrants are being affected. Just last week, one of our constituents reported to me that one of the key leaders in their church was arrested and deported and the church is in a crisis because of that."

The church in question is in Arizona, he added. But this week's ad doesn't mention Arizona's law. "The situation there illustrates the critical need for national action on immigration reform, but our focus is on national action," Carey says.

Arizona's controversial law, which was criticized by President Obama and even some Republicans but remains popular in polls, has again spurred talk of reforming immigration at the national level, and Democrats have released a draft reform bill. But it's tricky politically, especially in an election year. Most Congress watchers think there's no way it will even make it to a floor debate in 2010.

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Jolie Rouge

05-12-2010, 01:52 PM

Other border states shun Arizona's immigration law
By Elliot Spagat, Associated Press Writer 23 mins ago

SAN DIEGO – New Mexico's governor says it is a step backward.
Texas isn't touching it.
And California? Never again.

Arizona's sweeping new law empowering police to question and arrest anyone they suspect is in the U.S. illegally is finding little support in the other states along the Mexican border.

Among the reasons given: California, New Mexico and Texas have long-established, politically powerful Hispanic communities; they have deeper cultural ties to Mexico that influence their attitudes toward immigrants; and they have little appetite for a polarizing battle over immigration like one that played out in California in the 1990s.

But perhaps the biggest reason of all is that the illegal flow of people across the border is seen as a more acute problem, and a more dangerous one, in Arizona.

In the 1990s, the U.S. government added fences, stadium lights and more agents to the border in Southern California and Texas, forcing a shift in the flow of illegal immigrants that has now turned Arizona into the single biggest gateway for people sneaking into the country from Mexico. The influx has led to a sharp increase in kidnappings, home invasions and other violence tied to drugs and human smuggling. "The flow has moved east, and the debate has moved east as well," said Dan Schnur, director of the University of Southern California's Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics.

Arizona's population of illegal immigrants has increased fivefold since 1990 to around 500,000. The Tucson region replaced San Diego as the top place for Border Patrol arrests in 1998 and accounts for nearly half the total. And Phoenix has been dubbed the kidnapping capital of the U.S., with an average of one abduction per day in recent years.

The other border states have older, larger and more culturally entrenched and politically connected Hispanic populations.

California and Texas were forced to deal with illegal immigration decades ago. Both states saw surges in the 1980s because of Mexico's shaky economy and the civil wars that wracked Central America. But many who entered illegally became voters under a 1986 federal law that granted amnesty to 2.7 million people.

That political clout is evident today, with city councils from Oakland to San Diego condemning the Arizona law and 50,000 people demonstrating in Los Angeles on May 1 in support of immigrants. On Wednesday, Los Angeles became the nation's largest city to boycott Arizona over the law, when the City Council voted 13-1 for sanctions that could include canceling some $8 million in contracts.

The New Mexico Legislature is 44 percent Hispanic, followed by California at 23 percent, Texas at 20 percent and Arizona at 16 percent, according to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials.

Angelica Salas, who came to the U.S. illegally from Mexico as a girl and later obtained legal status, noted that Los Angeles is filled with families with members in the country both legally and illegally.

"In the end it's political suicide if you launch an attack on the undocumented," said Salas, executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles. "You're basically attacking the very electorate that you want to get you into office."

Similarly, in Texas, "Hispanics and people of Spanish or Hispanic descent have lived among us since the beginning of time. We've all sort of shared this state together and the dream of what it means to be a Texan," said Eric Bearse, a former aide to Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

Arizona didn't draw large numbers of Hispanics until more recently, and the bonds of affection to Mexico may have been weakened by the huge influx of retirees and others from the North and the Midwest in recent decades.

"In some ways, these are people who don't want to deal with this," said Lisa Magana, associate professor of transborder studies at Arizona State University.

California went through a bruising battle in 1994 with passage of Proposition 187, which barred illegal immigrants from public education and other services. Key provisions were struck down in court, but the episode damaged the Republican Party and galvanized Hispanics, leading to citizenship and voter registration drives.

"California has been through the wringer and basically decided that this kind of stuff just doesn't fly," said Erik Lee, associate director of Arizona State University's North American Center for Transborder Studies.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, has condemned the Arizona law, saying it is "very clear that this is not something that we will do here in California." In New Mexico, Democratic Gov. Bill Richardson, who is Hispanic, said the measure goes "against the democratic ideals of this country." And Perry, a pistol-packing, tea-party-courting Republican, said such a law "would not be the right direction for Texas" and would distract law enforcement from fighting other crimes.

Immigration is still a hot-button issue across border states. In California, efforts to grant driver's licenses to illegal immigrants have repeatedly stalled. The Dallas suburb of Farmers Branch has tried for years to enforce a ban on landlords renting to illegal immigrants.

Two Texas state lawmakers plan to introduce legislation similar to Arizona's law, and California's insurance commissioner has supported it in his quest for the GOP nomination for governor.

Still, strategists on both sides of the debate expect Arizona's law to resonate most in states far from the border where illegal immigration is relatively new. The Immigration Policy Center, a critic of Arizona's law, said at least 12 states are considering similar legislation, including Maryland, Ohio and Utah.

"The immigration issue is no longer a border issue or problem," said Rep. Brian Bilbray, a San Diego Republican and a hard-liner on illegal immigration. "This issue runs so deep and it's so broad, you never know where it will pop up next."

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Rick Perry is seriously lacking in the kohonas dept.

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Arizona could secede and join Mexico - then all the 'illegals' would be Gringos!

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This is why we would like the illegal mexicans to go home and for a change to be made in the law so that there are no more "Anchor babys" many nations including your liberal's favorites such as Canada have changed thier laws so that they will not be overrun by populations that do not represent thier normal ethnic diversity. This is not racist, we still accept legal limited immigration. This flow across our borders is madness and must end!

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What can I say 'no guts anywhere else' ! Start enforcing the laws on the books then wimps !!

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"In the end it's political suicide if you launch an attack on the undocumented,"

what's wrong with these people!! :mad: this makes me sick. and why the heck isn't the media showing anyhting about allthe people that are all for this law? if you read the postings you can see who the majority is. i'm an arizonan and proud!!!! go ahead, ask me for my ID!!!! i'm a citizen!

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It's all a bunch of crap. We have pea brains running our States and Country. They have let the illegals do their talking for them and that's where we stand.

Anyone out there want to really stand up for the law? Write, phone, fax to every politician and let them know how you feel about this. Put a stop to it now or there won't be any law any longer anywhere!

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This law is fascistic. However, I am against a European Union, so the US needs to beef up the borders. But states can't pass laws like this.

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This law is fascistic. However, I am against a European Union, so the US needs to beef up the borders. But states can't pass laws like this.

(I meant to say I am against a Euro style union, a North American Union.)

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One of the biggest industries in Arizona is the tourism business. Well they can just about put that business away for a few years. You don't have to affect hotel occupancy rates more that 5 or 10 percentage points so profitable business become losers.

Jolie Rouge

05-12-2010, 01:53 PM

JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Ready? Now pay attention....

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax;
Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes.
Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year.
Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year.
Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year.
Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare.
Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year.
Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year.
Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance.
Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!"
and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, Etc.

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline,
and what he sends out of the country every month.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school.
Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch.
Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services,
but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Jose with his free tax payer entitlements makes $65,000.00 a year!

Do you get it, now?

If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal Aliens...

You are part of the problem!

It's way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!

What are you waiting for ?

Jolie Rouge

05-12-2010, 02:07 PM

LA approves Arizona boycott over immigration law
By Christina Hoag, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 20 mins ago

LOS ANGELES – Los Angeles on Wednesday became the largest city yet to boycott Arizona over its tough new law targeting illegal immigration in a move that likely will affect some $8 million in contracts with the state.

The City Council voted 13-1 to bar Los Angeles from conducting business with Arizona unless the law is repealed. The vote followed an emotional council discussion during which many members noted that their ancestors were U.S. immigrants.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa already has said he would approve the boycott.

The proposal could affect investments and contracts worth as much as $52 million, including contracts for airport, harbor and trucking services, according to a report from the city's chief legislative analyst. That report recommends the council consider suspending travel, cutting contracts and refraining from making any new ones with Arizona-based companies.

But Councilwoman Janice Hahn, who co-authored the resolution, said it would be impractical to cancel most of those deals and only about $7 million to $8 million in city contracts probably would be affected.

"US Airways is based in Arizona and they certainly fly in and out (of Los Angeles)" and it would hardly be feasible to end those flights, Hahn said before the council vote.

Hahn said the Los Angeles boycott also won't affect the city's Department of Water and Power, which has wind farm and nuclear energy contracts in Arizona. Among the contracts with Arizona companies that conceivably could be terminated include those for helicopter services, Taser guns, waste management, engineering and surveillance equipment.

Hahn said "the best scenario" would be to turn around and give those contracts to California suppliers.

The resolution claims that Arizona's new law encourages racial profiling and is unconstitutional. The law, set to take effect July 29, requires police enforcing another law to question a person about his or her immigration status if there is "reasonable suspicion" that the person is in the United States illegally and makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally. Several lawsuits seeking to block its implementation are pending in U.S. District Court in Phoenix.

Some polls have shown strong popular support for the Arizona law and critics are concerned that other states may follow up with their own versions.

Several cities across the country have passed resolutions or urged boycotts to protest the law, including California cities such as Oakland and San Diego. A nonbinding resolution approved Tuesday by San Francisco city supervisors urges a boycott of Arizona-based businesses and asks sports leagues not to hold championship games or tournaments there.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer said the boycotts are unfortunate and misguided, primarily because the law mirrors a federal requirement that legal immigrants carry immigration papers.

"It's already the law in the United States, and I have a responsibility to stand up and protect the people of Arizona and we will do that," Brewer said Tuesday.

Charges that the law will lead to racial profiling are "just pure rhetoric," Brewer said.

"I find it really interesting that we have people out there that are attempting a boycott in favor of illegal actions in Arizona. That to me is just unbelievable."

Of the resolution in Los Angeles, Hahn said: "We want to stand back and say that we're against it. We're hoping that Arizona will be the last state to do this instead of just the first state to do it."

The city staged a similar economic boycott against South Africa during apartheid and against Colorado after voters in 1992 passed a state law repealing local ordinances that banned discrimination against homosexuals.

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I think we shall plan a vacation to AZ this summer ... what is there to do there ?

Bahet

05-12-2010, 02:37 PM

LOVE the Joe Legal and Jose Illegal comparison. Except, when it comes to taxes Joe Legal with a wife and 2 kids making $52,000/year wouldn't pay Federa income tax. I'm not sure aobut state but I doubt it, not in CA as they tend to have higher deduction amounts. [/tax hat off]

The rest of it was spot on though. Although one could argue the rent part but I won't bother. ;)

Jolie Rouge

05-12-2010, 02:44 PM

LOL - I didn't write it - I got it as an email ... but it illustrates another aspect of the problem ....

boopster

05-12-2010, 03:47 PM

They forgot to mention that Joe legal's kids want to go to college. Tuition can cost anywhere from $1000 to $60000 a year. His kids will probably be able to get a little bit of aid but will mainly have to get loans on top of loans which will be on top of loans. If they get aid it will be based on Joe's gross salary. The government doesn't ask how much he pays for rent, medical insurance etc.

Jose Illegals kids want to go to the same colleges. Since Jose is illegal, the kids will become independent and what they pay will be based on their own income and not their father's. Jose's kids will get aid.

Bahet

05-12-2010, 11:19 PM

LOL - I didn't write it - I got it as an email ... but it illustrates another aspect of the problem ....

Oh I know. Sorry, I just assumed that part. Hey, it was late and I was chatting with a tax client while reading. I was already in "tax mode" :lol

Another thing they should have added is Joe Illegal's kids will be taught English in school. They will go off to college and enter the workforce completely bilingual. Joe Legal's kids won't be able to take a foreign language until they are in high school due to cutbacks in school budgets so they will be at a disadvantage once they enter the workforce unless they become bilingual on their own time and their own dime.

Jolie Rouge

05-13-2010, 01:16 PM

Report: Few Hispanic high school dropouts earn GED
By Christine Armario, Associated Press Writer 42 mins ago

MIAMI – A report released Thursday by the Pew Hispanic Center found that one in 10 Hispanic students who drop out of high school go on to earn a General Equivalency Development degree.

Educators and students say limited outreach, immigration and pressure to work may be to blame.

Using data from the Census Bureau, researchers found that fewer Hispanic students earn a GED credential than white or black dropouts. Black students earned a GED at a rate of two in 10. For white students, the rate is three in 10.

The nonpartisan research organization says the lower rate among Hispanics is notable because they also have higher dropout rates: 41 percent of Latinos ages 20 or older do not have a regular high school degree, compared to 23 percent of blacks and 14 percent of whites.

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Jolie Rouge

05-13-2010, 09:02 PM

interesting reading ... http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/05/13/attorney-general-holder-admits-never-reading-arizonas-immigration-law

:tobed :tobed

pepperpot

05-14-2010, 05:12 AM

interesting reading ... http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/05/13/attorney-general-holder-admits-never-reading-arizonas-immigration-law

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Attorney General Holder Admits He's Never Read Arizona's Immigration Law

:headshake...but he'll comment, chastise and bring a lawsuit on it anyway....:doh:

I love when he says he gets his information from the newspapers....so his source used to form opinion and action is slanted, bribed and opinionated media over reading the damn document? :rules this is our attorney general.....lovely....what an ass....

Jolie Rouge

05-15-2010, 10:22 AM

Univision forum held on Arizona's immigration law
Suzette Laboy, Associated Press Writer Sat May 15, 3:36 am ET

MIAMI – Detractors and defenders of Arizona's crackdown on illegal immigration aired their views in a lively town-hall style meeting broadcast nationally Friday night by the Spanish-language network Univision.

The commercial-free forum held in Phoenix and Miami comes in the wake of Arizona's new law some critics fear could lead to racial profiling.

The measure requires police to ask a person about his or her immigration status if there's "reasonable suspicion" that the person is in the country illegally. Being in the country illegally would be a state crime under the law.

Arizona's Maricopa County Sheriff Joseph Arpaio urged people to give the law a chance before passing judgment. The measure is set to go into effect July 29.

"This is just another law. I am not concerned about the hype, the threats, the racial profiling" accusations, Arpaio said. "We are talking about illegal immigration — that when you cross that border, you have broken the law."

Experts on immigration law and public policy, representatives of national Hispanic organizations and advocates for tougher enforcement against illegal immigrants also attended. The White House also sent a representative.

If federal immigration reform depended "only on the will of the president, it would already be done," said Cecilia Munoz, director of the Office of Intergovernmental Affairs. "But we have to work with Congress."

Arizona sheriff Antonio Estrada of Santa Cruz County criticized the new law, saying it requires local law enforcement to enforce what used to be a matter for federal authorities.

"In Santa Cruz, we don't have the budget to add another level of authority," he said. "The Border Patrol doesn't do the work for local officers. They don't investigate robberies, assaults, homicides."

Nevertheless, he promised to enforce the law.

"We're going to study this well and see how to apply it with the maximum compassion and common sense possible," he said.

Arpaio, meanwhile, took to task U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez for his opposition to Arizona's law. The Illinois Democrat was among 35 people arrested about a week ago during a protest at the White House.

"You were locked up in front of the White House. You were safer here in Phoenix," Arpaio said. "We do not racial profile, we do not go on street corners and round up people because they look like different people."

More than 200 seats at the Univision studios in Miami were filled, and the crowd spilled over into a media viewing room.

A group of students wore white T-shirts reading "30644" — a number people can text to show support for the DREAM Act, long-sought federal legislation that would provide relief to some illegal immigrants who arrived before age 16.

An Associated Press-Univision poll released Thursday found sharp contrasts between the views of Hispanics and others on immigration. A resounding majority of Hispanics say illegal immigrants are a boon to the country, while most non-Hispanics say illegal immigrants are a drain on society.

The poll also found most Hispanics condemn Arizona's strict new law targeting undocumented immigrants, while only 20 percent of non-Hispanics oppose it.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer said ethnic profiling will not be tolerated under the law she signed in April.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100515/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_forum;_ylt=AtmPIhpHrYnAGbVW6hN2CRes 0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFlbm4wZjZiBHBvcwM2OQRzZWMDYWNjb3Jk aW9uX3Vfc19uZXdzBHNsawN1bml2aXNpb25mb3I-

gmyers

05-15-2010, 10:30 AM

What do the mexicans that came here legally want. We can't just keep allowing all illegal aliens to keep coming. There should be a certain number and then thats it, no more.

Jolie Rouge

05-15-2010, 10:37 AM

There should be a certain number and then thats it, no more.

That is the law. Each country has a certain number of people that are alloed to immigrate annually - student visas, work visas and those who want to stay permently and become citizens. The illegals - from any country not just Mexico - choose not to follow the legal system establish by EVERY country. Only the US gets bashed for wanted to maintain it's borders and its integrity

boopster

05-15-2010, 11:04 AM

What do Mexicans want? Everything especially those things that they can't get at home. One of the problems is that they don't want to have to pay for it. Some protesters are advocating revolution and taking over what they feel is their stolen lands.

What do some our elected officials want? Votes...and votes = power = inflated egos= more money in their own pockets

What does our government want? Not to have to spend time reading documents so that they have more time to do other things whatever that might entail. Can they be that naive to think that the media tells the truth? (cough, hack, puke)

What do Americans want? Now here can be a long list but I will start it:

The same benefits given freely to those who break the law including those who are illegally in this country (I will also include the same benefits that our elected officials get for life)

Elected officials who take their job seriously and will represent their constituents, not themselves, their friends, relatives, big business, bleeding hearts etc

A government of, for and by the people ....but not just by any people....people meaning those who are legally in this country

Please feel free to add to this list

Jolie Rouge

05-18-2010, 08:25 PM

Immigrant crossings into Arizona on the rise
By Olga R. Rodriguez, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 45 mins ago

NOGALES, Mexico – The migrants walk for days through miles of mesquite scrub, running low on food and sometimes water, paying armed drug thug "guides" and dodging U.S. law enforcement officers along the way. And still they keep coming. The latest figures show that Arizona, which is about to put into effect the nation's toughest immigration law, also is the only border state where illegal crossings are on the rise.

While tightened security and daunting fences in Texas and California have made Arizona a busy crossing corridor for years, migrant smugglers now are finding new ways through the state's treacherous deserts.

Carmen Gonzalez, 27, recalled seven days and six nights of walking with her husband in the desert and being accosted by Mexican thugs with AK-47s, who demanded $100 bribes before abandoning them. "It was so hard and so ugly," Gonzalez said at a shelter in this Mexican border town, where she, her husband and her brother were staying after being deported from Arizona. "I won't try again because we went through too much suffering in the desert."

New U.S. Border Patrol statistics show arrests on the Arizona border were up 6 percent — by about 10,000 — from October to April, even as apprehension of illegals dropped 9 percent overall. The agency uses arrests to gauge the flow of migrants; there are no precise figures on the number of illegal crossings.

Statistics from the Mexican side also show a rise in illegal crossings through Arizona.

Grupo Beta, a Mexican government-sponsored group that aids migrants, helped 5,279 people from January to April in the area across the border from Douglas, Ariz., compared to 3,767 in the same period last year, said agent Carlos Oasaya.

That's the same area where Arizona rancher Robert Krentz was fatally shot in March as he surveyed his property in an all-terrain vehicle. Authorities suspect an illegal immigrant who was headed back to Mexico and worked as a scout for drug smugglers.

The killing helped fuel the emotion around the Arizona law, which will empower police to question and arrest anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. It takes effect in July.

Immigration is likely to be at the top of the agenda Wednesday when Mexican President Felipe Calderon visits Washington and attends a state dinner at the White House. Calderon has condemned Arizona's law; President Barack Obama has called it "misguided" and promised to begin tackling an immigration overhaul.

Supporters of the Arizona law said Tuesday that the growth in arrests at the border didn't spur its passing.

Instead, it was a series of factors, including the discovery of a growing numbers of immigrant safe houses and a rise in crime by illegal immigrants who have injured and killed police officers, said state Rep. John Kavanagh.

In the 1990s, increased enforcement and corrugated metal and chain-link fences dramatically cut illegal border crossings in California and Texas.

Overall, illegal immigration through those two states, New Mexico and Arizona has declined from nearly 1.2 million in 2005 to 541,000 last year, according to the Border Patrol. In Arizona, illegal crossings fell from 578,000 in 2005 to nearly 250,000 last year — before the recent rise.

Immigration experts have long predicted the decline in crossings would reverse as the U.S. economy recovers. "The fact is that as long as there remains an economic disparity between the U.S. and Mexico and other Latin American countries, enforcement and sanctions and any other measure won't stop the flow of migrants," said Charles Pope, interim director of the Trans-Border Institute at the University of San Diego.

Despite the recent spike in illegal crossings into Arizona, entering the state illegally is getting tougher.

U.S. Border Patrol drones scan for drug and migrant smugglers in the desert. Twelve-foot steel walls now separate the crossings through Nogales, south of Tucson, and Agua Prieta across from Douglas.

The desert around the hamlet of Sasabe, a smuggling way-station of a few dozen houses, is a drug trafficking corridor used by the Sinaloa cartel. Migrants and Mexican officials say heavily armed drug traffickers have been demanding fees since at least 2007 to allow migrants to pass.

Gonzalo Altamirano, a 19-year-old mechanic from the southern Mexican state of Oaxaca, jumped over a fence into Arizona from Agua Prieta. He surrendered to authorities after waiting two days for a van that never arrived.

It was Altamirano's second time crossing illegally into the United States — he lived and worked in Oklahoma for nine months in 2007 before getting so homesick he returned to Mexico. He intends to try again. "I'm poor and will always look for a way to cross," he said. "Even if they add more security or whatever."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/lt_mexico_us_illegal_immigration/print;_ylt=ArRVDZydrBzrrvrMaSmBs1Bv24cA;_ylu=X3oDM TBvajZzaTFyBHBvcwMxNQRzZWMDdG9wBHNsawNwcmludA--

boopster

05-19-2010, 07:39 AM

It's quite obvious that our borders are too lax, our elected officials are too lax, our laws are too lax..maybe we should change our way of 'doing business' the same way Mexico does. For all those illegally in this country, take away all items earned in this country (homes, money etc), charge them 99% interest on all money sent across the borders, take away all health services, food stamps etc. and send them packing and make them use their own money to pay for it.

In this country we have an attorney general who relies on media to get his info instead of actually reading what is written in a law (maybe he believes everything he hears.....if we all call him an idiot, do you think he will proclaim that he is one?), a President who wants to save the law breakers at the expense of those he is suppose to serve, elected officials who passed healthcare but didn't read it (could it be because they already have their cadillac insurance at no cost so they couldn't give a hoot about national heath care since it doesn't effect them), we have a speaker of the house who doesn't think there is anything wrong with having a jet standby should she want to visit her husband (she is being frugal in not spending her own money only ours).

we have big problems

Jolie Rouge

03-27-2012, 10:05 AM

The death of an Arizona rancher;
Updated: Cattle growers’ association offers reward;
new details of the murder; suspect foot tracks into Mexico
By Michelle Malkin • March 29, 2010 11:49 AM
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/29/the-death-of-an-arizona-rancher/

Rob Krentz was a Cochise County, AZ cattle farmer who had battled the bloody consequences of illegal immigration for years. http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/under-siege/Content?oid=1079610

Over the weekend, his dead body was found on his ranch. The longtime rancher had been gunned down. Police are investigating the homicide.

The Arizona Star reports: http://www.azstarnet.com/news/local/border/article_bfac06dd-7495-5750-9ed2-d590c7bc913c.html

Digger’s Realm has more. R.I.P. http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/003355.html

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The Tuscon Weekly adds: http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2010/03/28/cochise-county-rancher-murdered

Related: The slaughter on the southern border – March 17, 2010 http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/17/the-slaughter-on-the-southern-border/

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John McCain and his open-borders, Soros-funded advisor Juan Hernandez have no comment yet.

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Reader Billie e-mails:

I want to thank you for posting the story about rancher Bob Krentz. You are the only credible source outside the local news that has mentioned it. As a ranching wife, my heart goes out to Bob’s family and especially his wife Susan. No one outside the ranching community knows how hard a life this is ( in terms of physical work never being done). To those of us who love it, the price is well worth the benefits. But not for Susan Krentz. I cannot imagine what she must feel, knowing they have been robbed before, vandalized and terrorized.

While Obama and his minions wax poetic about health care ( and the so called threats of not having it) there is a hardworking woman who has been pulling her own weight for decades that now faces her golden years without her beloved husband and without any security for the future of her children or herself on the ranch they love.

Ranching families work hard as teams to get everything done to care for their animals. They are usually short on help considering all that needs to be done. I hope that Susan’s loss of her husband, her partner in the business and the head of a multi generational legacy is not lost in the reporting. Her life is forever changed and helping her find a sense of peace and sanity is what we all need to think about.

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Update: Just received this statement from the Arizona Cattle Growers’ Association…

ACGA Alert

March 28, 2010

Phoenix, AZ – The thoughts and prayers of the Arizona Cattle Growers’ Association are with the family of Sue and Rob Krentz. Rob’s tragic death truly leaves a hole in the community and his family. Everyone in Arizona’s ranching community will be saddened to hear of this tragedy.

Rob Krentz was a caretaker – he cared for his family, he cared for the land and he cared for the animals he and his family raised on the Krentz Ranch. These traits have been passed down through the Krentz family from one generation to the next. This is a terrible tragedy and our thoughts and prayers are with his wife Sue and their children.

Rob and his dog were found shot early this morning after he left on his four-wheeler late yesterday to check fence on his ranch. While reports of this tragedy and investigation advance the ACGA is prepared to assist in gathering facts about the incident with the offer of a $1,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of individuals involved in the tragic shooting of Rob Krentz.

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Update: New details from the Arizona Republic about the crime…
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/29/20100329rancher-killed-at-arizona-ranch.html

A prominent southeast Arizona rancher sped away in his all-terrain vehicle after being shot, the Cochise County Sheriff’s Office said Monday in releasing more details into Saturday’s slaying near the Mexico border.

The body of Robert Krentz, 58, was located before midnight Saturday on his 35,000 acre ranch about 35 miles northeast of Douglas after his brother reported that he had lost radio contact with Krentz earlier in the day. Krentz apparently came upon one person when he was shot and his dog was wounded, detectives said.

While Krentz was still in his vehicle, mortally wounded, he managed to drive the ATV away from the scene at a high rate of speed before becoming unconscious, investigators said. Foot tracks were identified and followed approximately 20 miles south to the Mexico border by sheriff’s deputies, U.S. Border Patrol trackers and Department of Corrections dog chase teams, authorities said.

So far, there have been no suspects identified and no arrests.

Rob Krentz – the man WE lost
March 27, 2012 Rick Oltman

Today marks the second grim anniversary of the murder of Arizona rancher Rob Krentz. The report on FOX News described the scene, speculated about the killer, spoke to neighbors about the smuggling of drugs and illegal aliens into the country, but only briefly described who we lost and what kind of man Rob Krentz was. “What a great guy he was,” says his widow, Sue Krentz.

For his family and friends, everything has changed. Holidays, birthdays, graduations, Christmas are all different. For Sue, there are reminders of Rob all around her, everywhere, every day, tragic reminders of the loss of a good man who had never done harm to anyone. In fact, Rob Krentz’s life was one of giving and helping others, continuously. Sue remembers, “Rob was as methodical as the day is long. Dependable. He was a good man and deserves a good memory.”

He was a man who could, in Sue’s words, “Take care of kids, train a horse and repair a computer.” He was a kind soul and a gentleman’s gentleman. A cowboy in the modern era.

He taught his kids, nieces and nephews and others to love life, work hard and do what you wanted to do, so long as you were still a respectable person doing it. He believed in, “A full day’s work for a full days wages.” He believed that everything you possessed had to be earned.

He loved his brother Phil and sister Susan who were very important to him. He spoke to them every day and was very proud of everything they did and proud of their children. “Rob would always say that he was a luckiest guy because he and his brother got along and his brother was a good hand and he trusted his brother,” Sue recalls. And he loved his sprawling 35,000+ acre ranch in southeast Arizona, what Sue calls her “competition” for his attention.

Jolie Rouge

03-27-2012, 10:06 AM

Both born and raised in Douglas, Arizona, Rob and Sue Kimble met as students at Douglas High School. In his Senior Year in 1969, as a member of FFA (Future Farmers of America), Rob competed at The Arizona National Livestock Show in Phoenix and won Reserve Grand Champion, with the steers he raised defeating the cattle of the legendary John Wayne.

While attending the University of Arizona, Rob would come home on the weekends. It was a 300 mile round trip from Tucson to the ranch and before Rob got home he would stop in Sierra Vista and do chores for his grandparents. Then he would continue on to the ranch and work over the weekend, returning to college on Monday morning.

In 1975 Rob graduated from the University of Arizona with Honors and a B.S. in Animal Science. He was offered a fellowship at Cornell University but declined it to return home to run the family ranch because his dad needed help.

Rob and Sue began dating in 1976 and were married in 1977. He was 26 and she was 23. They had three children.

“He was always just as steady as the rock of Gibraltar,” says Sue. “Never negative. If neighbors needed help he was there. If someone was stranded on the road he would take them to town.”

Once some illegals on the ranch were hit by lightening and he got assistance for them. Anything you can imagine. If you needed parts and equipment you came to Rob. If you called at midnight or four in the morning the response was, “Where are you, what do you need?”

Rob served on the school board for Apache School for 28 years. When they needed a tennis court, Sue and Rob worked every day with the fellow who built it.

Natural disasters in southern Arizona are pretty much limited to range fires. When a fire broke out Rob would fill the liquid seed feeder with water and turn it into a pumper truck. He was always the first one there,” said Sue, as with the May 2009 fire on the late Rick Snur’s ranch. "Rob and Rick were really, really close."

Fred Davis of Tombstone, another multigenerational rancher was a friend whose grandparents were friends with Rob’s. He remembers fondly that “Rob could rope.” Fred got Rob involved with the Natural Resources Conservation District. “He was there, it didn’t matter how long the job took. He was there to help you ‘till you were done.” He also added about ranching and illegal aliens, “Rob knew the dangers and was very careful.”

Rob’s daughter Kyle describes him as a big Teddy Bear who was strict when he needed to be. She was once suspended from school for five days for misbehaving. “He told me how disappointed he was with me,” she said. “And then for those five days he had me feeding cows, every day…He thought education was the most important thing. He used to say, they can take away anything but they can’t take away your mind.”

Another incident Kyle remembers is when some hunters’ truck broke down and they walked down to the ranch house. “Dad gave them the keys to his truck so they could drive into Douglas and then called ahead to the auto parts store and asked them to stay open until the hunters arrived. When they returned they tried to pay Dad, and he wouldn’t accept it. That’s how he was. Honest and respectful, not a mean bone in his body. He taught his kids right from wrong, and would constantly tell us, “Don’t burn daylight." He was proud of where he came from and the fact that his family had always been committed to doing what was right for the land, the environment, the cattle and wildlife.”

G.T. Bohmfalk, describes Rob Krentz as a quiet, gentle giant. A quiet man. He was raised on a ranch but also in town. "Many people think of ranchers as hicks but it was absolutely the opposite with the Krentz’s. The family was quite sophisticated and intellectual. His parents were smart with class and culture. Members of Rob’s family have become Captains of Industry. There are authors in his family." What Bohmfalk describes as an “impressive pedigree.” Rob’s parents, Bob and Louise, would take the boys on FFA and 4H field days. “All of our discussions were always on a higher plane,” he remembers.

G.T. recalls that when Rob played football in High School the coach wanted Rob to be good. Rob was big enough, but he was not mean enough. He and Rob and Sue got involved with Project Centrl-Center for Rural Leadership. They all became leaders in the Cattlemen’s Association. “Rob did the dirty work when it needed to be done. When his kids were in 4H programs, Rob would be back behind the sale, pushing the cattle around and pigs and sheep, making sure the kids got good prices for their animals. He just did that kind of stuff and never wanted recognition for it. We were great friends and we all miss him greatly." G.T. summed up Rob’s tragic death succinctly, “It’s a result of our failure to protect our border. If we had been doing our job as a country that guy never would have been there. Rob would still be alive.”

Ed Ashurst, who contributes to The National Observer is a close neighbor who lives on the ranch Sue Krentz grew up on and describes Rob as a gentle man and there was nothing phony about him. “A very considerate guy,” Ed said. “He darn sure tried to treat people with respect and was that way with everybody. He treated people like human beings, a class act…Rob wasn’t worried if anybody liked him. He was excruciatingly independent and opinionated. But, he was gracious about it. He wasn’t worried about what other people thought about him, but he was gracious. He wasn’t rough natured. He was opinionated without being abrasive. Rob was an American, fiercely independent."

Roger Barnett, a ranching neighbor and no stranger to illegal aliens and threats on the border, concurs will all the descriptions of Rob. He remembers that many times when he was sitting on the side of the highway looking for illegals on his own ranch, Rob would drive up and would always stop to visit.

On the subject of illegal immigration Sue says, “We were always told to be nice to the illegals. If we were good the illegals a they would be good back. It was true mostly, up until the last 5 years.

“We always saw illegal aliens heading north, but it was mostly seasonal ranch workers who stayed a couple months and then went home. It was steady, but in low numbers. In 1987 (the year the IRCA Amnesty kicked into high gear) we started seeing women for the first time, and children.” Sue remembers many times giving water to dehydrated babies. “We began seeing women 8 months pregnant. At least a half a dozen times load vans would overturn on the highway. We saw pregnant women coming out of the vans.” She once saw a woman stand up in a field near the highway and seven children stood up beside her.

In 1991 they started seeing more and more illegals in bunches of 125 to 150 people.

They started experiencing damage to the ranch: Damaged water lines, two or three water tanks drained. One of their baby calves was beaten to death with a fence post by a group of illegals who then cooked and ate it.

Eerily, Rob told Sue before she left for Phoenix, the weekend he was killed, that he had a feeling that something was going to go wrong.

Tearfully, Sue recalled the refrain from Brenn Hill’s, Hill Family Song,

We will go on
And we will not fall
And we will not run
We will be strong
Through the darkest night
We'll stand and fight
Through the deepest pain
Our love remains
And we will go on

In the end, what did WE lose?

Rob Krentz touched many, many lives. Sue is thankful to everyone who sent her a condolence card, she received over 600. More than 1,200 people, between 9 – 10% of the entire population of Cochise County, attended Rob’s funeral service.

Rob Krentz is what we call an “unnecessary victim” a term that refers to a comment from Winston Churchill’s massive memoir The Second World War - The Gathering Storm. In the preface Churchill recounts, “One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called. I said at once ‘the Unnecessary War.’ There was never a war more easy to stop than that which has just wrecked what was left of the world from the previous struggle.” Churchill rang the alarm bell about the fascist threat for six years before the 2nd World War began in Europe, and nobody did anything about it.

Likewise, activists, citizens, ranchers and honest elected officials have been ringing the alarm for over twenty years in our country about the lack of border security and what it would lead to. That is what makes the loss of Rob Krentz so unnecessary. It could have been prevented if the government was doing its job, securing the border and enforcing our immigration laws.

And the final, terrible, tragic irony is that this man, by every account a most dependable, reliable man who never, ever let anyone down, was ultimately let down by the government and the law of the country that he believed in.

We all lost something when Rob Krentz was taken from us. Not just a father, a son, a husband and a friend, but also a citizen and a good man. And, unfortunately for us, America can’t spare any good men, not at this time. We need everyone we’ve got.

We need to remember Rob Krentz for the man he was and work to do everything we can to prevent a waste like this from ever happening again.

And, I’m quite sure if we did get to work on this, and Rob was still here, he’d be the first to come and the last to leave and not until the job was done.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Rob Krentz – the man WE lost - San Francisco Immigration | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/immigration-in-san-francisco/rob-krentz-the-man-we-lost#ixzz1qL0BRkj1

Jolie Rouge

02-26-2014, 09:09 PM

Shootout Erupts Between Arizona Farmer and Illegal Alien Invader

By Top Right News on February 27, 2014

Life on the farm can be unpredictable, but nothing could have prepared Greg Hudson and his hired hand, Kyle Wormly, for a surprise visitor on Monday.

An armed illegal alien threatened Wormly and Hudson’s family in a trailer, and then Wormly engaged the illegal in a shootout before deputies arrived.

Wormly had the right idea: “next time I will load up some slug rounds in my shotgun, no more bird shot.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-AVfheiBuk&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-AVfheiBuk&feature=player_embedded

comments

Carrying two social security cards and a fake visa, isn't one or ALL of those things a felony? And these are the people Obama, Boehner, Paul Ryan, Rubio, Christie, Holder etc want to give full amnesty too and give citizenship too??? Is congress in the habit of ignoring FELONS now? And this doesn't even cover the fact he is walking around in a FOREIGN country to him with a loaded gun!

boopster

02-26-2014, 10:35 PM

It shows how ignorant our elected officials are to the dangers of the open borders and who some of these illegals are. american lives are at sake and those elected and those protecting illegals do not care if americans, men women and children are killed. I think all those americans who are refusing to abide by the laws of this land should have to live all along the border and personally deal with people like that man who not only had false or stolen id but wanted to murder an american on his own land! we have elected and appointed officials who want to ignore laws and the constitution only for votes that is covered in the blood of innocent americans.

3lilpigs

02-27-2014, 05:22 AM

Round em' all up, and get them the hell out of my country!

(The politicians too!)

Jolie Rouge

02-27-2014, 10:04 AM

Round em' all up, and get them the hell out of my country!

(The politicians too!)

The politicians FIRST !

3lilpigs

02-28-2014, 07:00 AM

The politicians FIRST !

Hmmmm...I dunno?? Think how much money this country would have if the illegals weren't sucking us dry!! We're pretty much paying for them to live here.

And weren't some illegals arrested recently, found with stolen identities, from the Target credit fiasco??

I can tolerate crooked politicians a bit longer than I can these damn illegals.

Jolie Rouge

07-21-2014, 05:24 AM

Attorney General Holder Admits He's Never Read Arizona's Immigration Law

Governor Jan Brewer : In 2010, I met President Obama in the Oval Office and personally asked him to visit the Arizona border. Obviously, that never happened.

Even though he's found time to play more than 170 rounds of golf as President, it would be nice if he would find time to witness firsthand the national crisis that is occurring along our unsecured border.

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boopster

07-21-2014, 06:12 AM

if he goes to the border he can be shot at like what happens to the border patrol and residents. if he goes to the border he can contact contagious diseases like the border patrol. If he went to the border he would see the mess he made. so why would he go to the border?

hblueeyes

07-23-2014, 09:00 AM

Obama being shot at is bad how.

Me

Jolie Rouge

07-23-2014, 09:36 AM

Obama being shot at is bad how.

as if he would ever knowingly put himself at risk ? HA !

boopster

07-23-2014, 11:17 AM

if he saw someone with a gun, would he:
1. hide behind michelle
2. hide behind any republican
3. run like hell
4. point his finger at the gunman and lecture him
5. wait for the teleprompter to tell him what to do
6. blame it on george bush

Jolie Rouge

07-23-2014, 11:20 AM

Jolie Rouge

09-03-2014, 08:59 AM

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Think Arizona almost did something horrible? Well "Oklahoma is doing it anyway,"

From Glenn Stanfield:

Oklahoma is the only state that Obama did not win even one county in the last election... While everyone is focusing on Arizona ’s new law, look what Oklahoma has been doing!!!!

An update from Oklahoma :

Oklahoma law passed, 37 to 9 an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! HB 1330

Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.

Oklahoma recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. HB 1804. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake.

Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.

Recently we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegal's to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional SB 1102

Guess what......... Oklahoma did it anyway.

Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. Joining Texas , Montana and Utah as the only states to do so.

More states are likely to follow: Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, Mississippi and Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. HJR 1003

The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a setback for the criminals The Liberals didn't like it -- But....

Guess what........... Oklahoma did it anyway.

Just this month, the state has voted and passed a law that ALL drivers’ license exams will be printed in English, and only English, and no other language. They have been called racist for doing this, but the fact is that ALL of the road signs are in English only. If you want to drive in Oklahoma , you must read and write English. Really simple.

By the way, the Liberals don't like any of this either

Guess what...who cares... Oklahoma is doing it anyway.

If you like it, pass it on, if you don't then delete it...

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And I did.