To each their own, what was she thinking???

[BrightEyes]

So I am watching the evening news with Charlie Gibson and he says that the lady who had 8 babies the other day is a single mom in her mid thirties, living with her parents and has 6 kids at home already. Now I know it is none of my business and everyone has the right to have as many kids as they choose, but OMG I could not imagine taking fertility drugs if I already had 6 kids ( I have five at home). I am in mi mid 30's ( I am 34) and there is no way I could take care of 14 kids! And she is gonna breast feed all 8, she is a way stronger woman than me!

This is not a vent, whine, or whatever, I was just in shock when I heard she already had all those kids.

:stork :stork :stork :stork :stork :stork :stork :stork

[Renrut]

To each it's own I guess. Maybe she didn't believe in reduction, who knows.

[Quaker_Parrots]

Welfare maybe?

[Shann]

Welfare maybe?

:yeah

[mom_i_am]

How much money / free stuff is she going to get for those kids? TV appearances, talk shows, pics.............

[wubbywa]

Who is supporting the other 6 kids I wonder? Were they all born at the same time too? If she can support them, love them and take good care of them and teach them to be good people then I praise her. I couldnt do that without going crazy. She will make money on this anyway which is sad.

[DrGrin]

If she's able to support them on her own, that's great.


Maybe she was hoping to have all kinds of donations pouring in, public appearances out the wazoo, etc to finance their raising.

If she's going to depend on government funds to pay for their raising-- In my opinion, she should be made to have surgery to prevent pregnancy from ever happening again.

I took fertility drugs once. It didn't help. I miscarried, again. I was heartbroken. It wasn't meant for me to have another child-- so I thought. I gave up on the idea. Then three years later, I got pregnant again, and carried to term without the help of fertility drugs.

Sometimes, when messing with nature--I think people try to play God. Sometimes I think God shows them they are still just people.

[BrightEyes]

Were they all born at the same time too?

the article I read on abcnews.com said there is one set of twins in the 6 other kids. So apparently she now has 14 kids as a result of what 6 pregnancies? I wonder if she was single when she got pregnant, or if she was married. The only reason I wonder is because I didnt think docs would do fertility treatments on single women. But then again I also didnt think they would do them on a woman who obviously doesnt have a problem getting pregnant since she is only in her mid 30s

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6764771&page=1

[newwiccan]

But then again I also didnt think they would do them on a woman who obviously doesnt have a problem getting pregnant since she is only in her mid 30s

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6764771&page=1

Not necessarily true. I have a friend who's been undergoing fertility testing and treatment for the last year. She's in her late 20's.

[Anniston]

Wow. I have heard of the births, but did not know that she was single. That is really bizarre that she decided to use fertility drugs when she already had so many kids. I am very shocked right now.

[backward1]

I have 4 kids with the last 2 kids being twins after having twins i asked the dr if I could donate my ovaries and tubes to some woman that was having problems cuz i never wanted to use mine againI had 1 that was 4 years old By 2weeks 1 that was 17 months old and 2 newborns still dont really know I
did it I baby sat a 14 month old and a 7 month old last month and that 1 day I worked my butt off and thought how did i do this when mine were little so i defineatly think what was this woman thinking????????

[dv8grl]

Family: Octuplets' mother has 6 other children

WHITTIER, Calif. – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week has six other children and never expected to have eight more when she took fertility treatment, her mother said.

Angela Suleman said her daughter expects a big challenge raising 14 children. The good news, she said, is all the babies appear healthy.

"I looked at those babies. They are so tiny and so beautiful," Suleman told The Los Angeles Times on Thursday.

Suleman's daughter gave birth to the octuplets Monday at a hospital in Bellflower but has requested that doctors keep her name confidential. Media knew little about the woman until a family acquaintance told CBS' "The Early Show" on Thursday that the mother is "fairly young" and lives with her parents and her six children.
Within hours, media had camped out at the family's home in Whittier, where the babies' grandfather pulled up in a minivan in the evening and briefly spoke to The Associated Press. Beside him were two children — a 7-year-old and 6-year-old — who said they were excited to have eight new siblings.

But the grandfather warned that media may have a tougher time finding the family after the babies are released from the hospital.

"We have a huge house, not here," said the man, who would only identify himself as Ed. "You are never going to know where it is."

The mother also has two children, ages 5 and 3, and 2-year-old twins, neighbors told the Times.

Suleman said her daughter had embryos implanted last year, and after finding out she was pregnant with multiple babies was given the option by doctors of selectively reducing the number of embryos. The woman declined.............CON't http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090130/ap_on_re_us/octuplets

So, no DAD! ALL for 14 KIDS!! None have a father?!?!?!?!?!?

[1luckylady]

Oh my- I'd be nuts.
I'm still wondering who is going to foot the bill. Either her parents must have $$ or she mush have a hell of a good job.

[BeanieLuvR]

I just can't understand if you already have that many kids why have fertility treatments to have more especially being that young? I couldn't take care of 6 let alone 14 without losing my sanity.

[cabby92]

There are so many things about that story that sound screwy.

[SLance68]

I just can't understand if you already have that many kids why have fertility treatments to have more especially being that young? I couldn't take care of 6 let alone 14 without losing my sanity.

She obviously can't take care of the 6 she had - she is living with her parents. I cannot believe there is a Dr. that would do fertility treatments on her since she already had 6 kids. I would like to know who was paying for the fertility treatments and where did she get the sperm from?

[justme23]

Thus far, she has refused to reveal her identity or release any pictures of those babies... how could she possibly make a fortune off of them?

Could we all be a little more judgmental?

[magenta]

She (or her parents, or father of the children) had the money to do the fertility treatments. To my knowledge they aren't cheap, and aren't covered by insurance.

I still do not think a Dr. in his right mind would do fertility treatments on a woman w/ 6 kids. Maybe the Dr. is the "daddy". lol

[galeane29]

It was just said on the Today show that she was artificially inseminated. Her mother claims she could NOT abort them, she chose not to. I can understand that. But what I cannot understand is she already had 6 babies AND living in her parents home why would she want more kids?

[ahippiechic]

It was just said on the Today show that she was artificially inseminated. Her mother claims she could NOT abort them, she chose not to. I can understand that. But what I cannot understand is she already had 6 babies AND living in her parents home why would she want more kids?

Yes and why would they give IVF when she already had 6 kids? Weird.

[Anniston]

Thus far, she has refused to reveal her identity or release any pictures of those babies... how could she possibly make a fortune off of them?

Could we all be a little more judgmental?

Not revealing pics of the kids is a way to make money off them. She can sell the first photos to the highest bidder. And I don't fault her for that...if she can get the cash, and publications are willing to get into a bidding war, more power to her.

However, I just can't get over why a woman with six children would use modern medicine to create another pregnancy.

[baragabrat]

Wow. I have heard of the births, but did not know that she was single. That is really bizarre that she decided to use fertility drugs when she already had so many kids. I am very shocked right now.

Single, already HAS 6 six kids....what on earth possessed her to use fertility treatments? What on earth possessed her to have any more children at all? I know there are folks out there that love kids and want a bunch but unless they are financially able to afford them (like the Jolie-Pitts) I really don't think it's wise.

Love does not conquer all, especially poverty. Why would you want to take away from the kids you already have by having MORE?

I doubt we'll ever know her true heart in this matter.

[Renrut]

Maybe she was living with her parents only because she was pregnant and was on bed rest? Just thinkin that might be the reason why. Who knows why people do what they do but she will continue to be in my prayers for she will sure be needing the strength. I'm thinking that maybe she wanted one or two more, for whatever reason, and all 8 eggs fertilized and coudln't do the redection like I mentioned before. I am in no place to judge just thinking that might be the reason.

[cabby92]

There are very few young, single mothers of six that could afford to take complete care of the kids they already have. I highly doubt that she was living with her parents just for this pregnancy.

Her youngest are what, two? Why would anyone do IVF on Fertile Myrtle?

[whatever]

How much money / free stuff is she going to get for those kids? TV appearances, talk shows, pics.............

Like I stated in this in the news section IMO I think she is hoping for all the free stuff other before her have gotten. The famous MCcoy septs. live her in Iowa and got a free house (built to suit them) with 2 pair of all appliances.
Fridges, dishwasher, washer, dryer etc. Free diapers for a year etc. Round the clock FREE day care. A free HUGE conversion van. ANd WAY more stuff. They didn't have to spend a dime for years!!! So i'm guessing she saw dollar signs when she found out she was carrying that many babies. HOWEVER thats JMO. But why in the world if you are already on welfare or whatever want to have one more child well alone the seven she thought she was carrying! PLus she could have used cc's to pay for the invetro. Who knows how she paid for it.

[Anniston]

So, wondering what you guys think...do you think she will be offered a reality show, commercials, book deal, and all that, or will the American public be unsympathetic that she would add more children to her six, therefore making her a marketing risk?

[mosdata1]

If she only wanted more children, but not that many, why impant 8 fertilized eggs? Why not just do 2 or 3? She obviously had no problems carrying a baby to term, so there was not much risk of losing any of the impants.

I really can't figure this one out. All I know is I hope they are not living off of our tax dollars!

[fleabones3]

OMG I didnt know she had 6 others.. dammmm

I have 5 kids of my own and there is NO way on God's green earth would I implant 8 embryos. Yes there are people out there that like kids, look at the Duggers. Difference is the Duggers didnt pop them all out at once, and they pay their own way. I think she might get help with diapers and formula, but I doubt she will get the help the McCoy septuptlets got

[Anniston]

"We have a huge house, not here," said the man, who would only identify himself as Ed. "You are never going to know where it is."

That is what the mother's father is quoted as saying. That is a strange way to say what he wanted to say. I will not be surprised if the details to this story are really bizarre.

[atprm]

If she's able to support them on her own, that's great.


Maybe she was hoping to have all kinds of donations pouring in, public appearances out the wazoo, etc to finance their raising.

If she's going to depend on government funds to pay for their raising-- In my opinion, she should be made to have surgery to prevent pregnancy from ever happening again.

I took fertility drugs once. It didn't help. I miscarried, again. I was heartbroken. It wasn't meant for me to have another child-- so I thought. I gave up on the idea. Then three years later, I got pregnant again, and carried to term without the help of fertility drugs.

Sometimes, when messing with nature--I think people try to play God. Sometimes I think God shows them they are still just people.

in her case it would be ALLAH.

[atprm]

Here is my letter to the editor of our local newspaper -- since they are "ooing and ahhing" over this....



To Whom It May Concern:

I want to bring your attention to this article, posted by LA CBS --
http://www.knx1070.com/Octuplet-Fami...t-Year/3750118 (http://www.knx1070.com/Octuplet-Family-Filed-For-Bankruptcy-Last-Year/3750118)

It's in regards to the octuplets that were born to a woman, who was previously reported as being married.

It is now confirmed that she is, in fact, a single mother, living with her elderly parents, in a home they filed bankruptcy on a year ago.

It should also be noted, that this in fact is not a "wow" birth -- and not a gift "from God" -- but through IVF. The woman already has 6 children!
Their ages are 7, 6, 5, 3 and 2 year old twins!

a single mother, with 14 children living in a bankrupt family! This is a disgrace to the taxpayers that will inevitably support her children, and a bigger
disgrace to families who want children and CAN support them. We won't even mention the disgrace and shame it has brought to the medical community!

It's complete and utter irresponsibility on the part of the medical facility and the Mother -- and the ones that suffer in the end are the children, because I can't imagine
what neglect they will bear emotionally when their Mother is stretched in all directions trying to care for 8 premature babies let alone the 6 older children -- ALL OF THEM
UNDER AGE 8!!



I am not sure if I am sending this to the proper department, but it needs to be broadcast

[atprm]

"We have a huge house, not here," said the man, who would only identify himself as Ed. "You are never going to know where it is."

That is what the mother's father is quoted as saying. That is a strange way to say what he wanted to say. I will not be surprised if the details to this story are really bizarre.


maybe in Iraq where they are from -- but not in LA... they have a 3-4 bedroom house!

with soon to be 14 kids and 3 adults!

[atprm]

Now, that all said -- I dont believe that the Grandfather could be here legally unless they claimed Political Asylum because of his occupation: Iraqi Military.

If that is the case then http://www.npg.org/forum_series/achilles_heel.htm is a worthwhile read...and a huge loophole.

We knew someone several years ago, here on Political Asylum from Pakistan -- he had 3 children BORN IN THE USA, and NONE of them were considered US Citizens because of the Political Asylum status (he was part of the Pakistani Military).

So, I wonder if that is the status of the Grandparents and Mother -- and now all 14 of her children...

Political Asylum Information (http://www.nynd-fpd.org/immigration/political%20asylum%20information.pdf)



Especially if they are talking about a big house in Iraq!! Kind of makes you wonder where the monies go to...

[Serenity]

I was surprised to hear she had 6 other kids. If she was hoping for donations like other families received for having a multiple birth, she may not get it. The news story went from "wow she had 8 babies" to "she has six other children, no place of her own, and single....what was she thinking?" The vibe of the story went from good to bizzare in a couple of days. I see why she wants to remain anonymous or give no statement because the media would have grilled her. As for the 8 babies, I hope they continue to do well.

[JewRican]

Where did you read they are Iraqi? I saw the boyfriend is a contract worker who will be returning to Iraq but nothing that the family is Iraqi.

[speedygirl]

Where did you read they are Iraqi? I saw the boyfriend is a contract worker who will be returning to Iraq but nothing that the family is Iraqi.

I read the same thing that it was her husband and he was a contract worker as well.

[atprm]

Where did you read they are Iraqi? I saw the boyfriend is a contract worker who will be returning to Iraq but nothing that the family is Iraqi.

it's in the article I posted. and it was mis-reported about the "husband" or "boyfriend"...

she is a single mother living with her parents, and the GRANDFATHER returned to his homeland Iraq.

the boyfriend is actually the various sperm donors -- because all 14 of her children are through IVF

[speedygirl]

it's in the article I posted. and it was mis-reported about the "husband" or "boyfriend"...

she is a single mother living with her parents, and the GRANDFATHER returned to his homeland Iraq.

the boyfriend is actually the various sperm donors -- because all 14 of her children are through IVF

There's so much conflicting stuff out there. I just read several articlles that say she is married and her DH is a contracter working in Iraq. Who knows at this point without facts.

[MistyWolf]

Honestly I could care less that she is single and has 6 kids all ready. Obviously she wanted more kids, I just think she is crazy for wanting that many .. lol. There is NO way I would even attempt to have more if I all ready had 6. Hell, I have two and am done! They surely would have to commit me! :stork

[atprm]

out of the UK comes this:

bankruptcy filed, home "abandoned", all children via IVF, now living in 3 bedroom house (17 people). no "father" of children

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1131343/Revealed-Octuplets-family-filed-bankruptcy-fled-home.html

[fleabones3]

This is from CNN

The mother of a woman who gave birth on Monday to octuplets said her daughter already has six children at home and was undergoing fertility treatment.


Dr. Karen Maples is part of the large team of doctors and nurses that helped deliver the octuplets.

The Los Angeles Times reported on Thursday that Angela Suleman said her daughter had the embryos implanted last year, resulting in the eight births.

"They all happened to take," Suleman told the Times. "I looked at those babies. They are so tiny and so beautiful."

The woman declined to have the number of embryos reduced when she discovered she was carrying multiples, the Times reported. The six older siblings range from ages 7 to 2, according to the newspaper.

Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq.

In the meantime, the mother, who remains unidentified, appealed for privacy while she recovers from giving birth, medical officials said Thursday.

In her written statement delivered by Dr. Karen Maples of the Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in California, the woman who delivered eight babies in five minutes said she would soon make public the details of her "miraculous experience."

"We understand that you are all curious about the arrival of the octuplets, and we appreciate your respect for our family's privacy," she said.

"The babies continue to grow strong every day and make good progress. My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals."

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"Needless to say, the eighth was a surprise to us all, but a blessing as well," she added.

The six boys and two girls -- ranging in weight from 1 pound, 8 ounces to 3 pounds, 4 ounces -- are doing well following their Caesarean-section delivery at the Bellflower hospital, doctors said. They were born nine weeks premature.

Dr. Mandhir Gupta, a neonatalist, said all but one of the octuplets are now breathing on their own. That baby might be taken off breathing equipment Friday.

Caring for eight premature babies is a challenge. Duties are being shared by a large team of hospital nurses and doctors for the time being. Two nurses have been assigned to each child, and all the babies are receiving fluids, proteins and vitamins intravenously, Gupta said.

"We feed them. ... We change diapers. ... When they cry, we console them," Gupta said. "When the mom comes and touches the babies, you can definitely see their expression on their faces and body. They are very happy."

The babies, who are being referred to by letters of the alphabet, will remain in the hospital for at least seven more weeks.

Baby H made headlines for its surprise appearance during the delivery, which took months of preparation by a team of doctors, nurses and respiratory therapists. Watch a report on babies' progress »

The mother will not be able to hold her babies for another week, Gupta said. They are still fragile, developing intestines, he said.

Doctors initially thought the mother was pregnant with seven fetuses. She was hospitalized seven weeks ago and ordered to bed rest.

During the seven weeks, a team of 46 physicians, nurses and other staff members prepared for the births. When they started the delivery Monday, they were in for a surprise.

"After the seventh baby was born, we were taking a sigh of relief," Maples said.

"It was a surprise of our life when we in fact discovered there was an eighth baby," she said. "We never had an assignment for baby H nurse or baby H doctor. We just had to go on the fly and figure out what to do."


"Baby G nurse stepped up. We handed off the baby to baby G nurse. She then delivered that last baby to the neonatologist of the baby F."

"It was all wonderful because of the teamwork and the training we did before," Maples said

[backward1]

could she have been a surragate mother?

[SLance68]

So she has been in the hospital for 7 weeks and the babies will be in there for an additional 7 weeks. So who is paying those bills?

[LuvBigRip]

Reports are circulating that cast an unflattering light on the miracle mom who gave birth to octuplets in California Monday.

CBS News reported Friday that the mother of eight newborns, who already had six children, filed for bankruptcy and abandoned her home less than two years ago. She hasn't been identified publicly yet, though CBS News described her as a woman in her 30s who lives with her parents.

The woman's mother revealed to the Los Angeles Times that her daughter already had six children before seeking fertility treatment, though she had no idea she would become pregnant with so many babies.

Britain's Sun newspaper reported that the mother works in a fertility clinic. The grandmother said she had multiple embryos implanted last year and declined to abort any of them.

The hospital, Kaiser Permanente in Bellflower, Calif., did not release the mother's name, but the Sun, without citing sources, identified her as 33-year-old Nadya Suleman. She does not appear to have a husband.

CBS News reported that the woman's father is Iraqi and is heading back to his native country to earn money for the growing family.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,485924,00.html

[Renrut]

On the news tonight they said she is 33, divorced and her dad is from Iraq and going back there to do some work so he can help support his grandkids. He said she wanted one more and was shcoked when all 8 fertilized.

All the other babies were IVF and each time 5 to 8 eggs were implanted so she figured she would have one like the others except for the youngest twins.
Shes going to her masters in something, I don't remember what they said it was.

Also said she is NOT of welfare or any kind of public assistance. She filed bankrupcy because of the divorce.

She has insurance through her now exhusband which was in the divorce decree that he carries it for her until she remarries. I guess the divorce was because he cheated.

This was on our headline news so it might be true but at this point I think there's still alot we really don't know.

[ahippiechic]

She worked at IVF clinic.

I still think they should be investigated because of this. It is unethical. My friend had the implantation and they used 2 eggs. And this was after all kinds of counseling for and her DH plus a psychiatric eval. They also checked their financial records before going ahead with it.

[Renrut]

She worked at IVF clinic.

I still think they should be investigated because of this. It is unethical. My friend had the implantation and they used 2 eggs. And this was after all kinds of counseling for and her DH plus a psychiatric eval. They also checked their financial records before going ahead with it.

Thanks, I knew there was something I was missing lol. They said they are going to investigate the place cause medical policy for someone under 35 and otherwise healthy is 2 eggs.

[cinnamonch]

I'm sure we will see her with her on reality show real soon. That or on Oprah.

[stresseater]

Ok I've read all the threads, and will respond in this one. I don't see the BFD. She is a grown woman who is not sucking off the govt. teat so she can do what she wants. I also find it ironic that a lot of the proponents of ("it's a woman's choice") are in an uproar. Could that be because it's a woman's choice as long as she's getting rid of children, but not if she's making more that the norm?

[speedygirl]

Ok I've read all the threads, and will respond in this one. I don't see the BFD. She is a grown woman who is not sucking off the govt. teat so she can do what she wants. I also find it ironic that a lot of the proponents of ("it's a woman's choice") are in an uproar. Could that be because it's a woman's choice as long as she's getting rid of children, but not if she's making more that the norm?

No uproar from this end I agree completely and I'm a pro choice person. lol. There is so much rumor and speculation about this family without knowing the real facts.

[fleabones3]

I am kinda with stresseater on this one.. we all have the right to procreate, and as long as the kids are taken care of, not abused or neglected, and she isnt mooching off welfare, ( how could she if she was able to pay for the IVF) then whats the problem? Nobody says anything when the Duggers pop another one out.

[Quaker_Parrots]

I Nobody says anything when the Duggers pop another one out.

Here ya go, some entertaining reading: http://www.bigbigforums.com/news-information/606991-its-girl-duggars-welcome-18th-child.html?highlight=duggars

[tammy77]

How long has she been divorced?Were the embryos frozen and stored from a past IVF procedure?If they werent frozen is her husband the father to the 8 or did she have a donor?

[ahippiechic]

Ok I've read all the threads, and will respond in this one. I don't see the BFD. She is a grown woman who is not sucking off the govt. teat so she can do what she wants. I also find it ironic that a lot of the proponents of ("it's a woman's choice") are in an uproar. Could that be because it's a woman's choice as long as she's getting rid of children, but not if she's making more that the norm?

I don't care if she has 20 as long as she isn't on welfare...(and we don't know that she isn't)

My problem with it is that a Dr implanted 8 embryos into an over 35 woman who had 6 kids. That's not standard practice and other Dr's have also spoken up saying the same thing. And if she did this at a clinic that she worked at...even more troubling. So it has nothing to do with her refusing to reduce when all 8 took. It is the fact that they were implanted to start with that bothers me.

[ahippiechic]

How long has she been divorced?Were the embryos frozen and stored from a past IVF procedure?If they werent frozen is her husband the father to the 8 or did she have a donor?

From one of the articles, her ex husband isn't the father of any of her children.

[gmyers]

How long has she been divorced?Were the embryos frozen and stored from a past IVF procedure?If they werent frozen is her husband the father to the 8 or did she have a donor?

Her mother said all 14 were by the same donor.

[ahippiechic]

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Octuplets-Mother-is-Obsessed-with-Childr=1&blockID=196258&feedID=1198

Her mother says she is "obsessed with children".

[Jenefer3]

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Octuplets-Mother-is-Obsessed-with-Childr=1&blockID=196258&feedID=1198

Her mother says she is "obsessed with children".

obsessed? that sounds a little odd.

[ahippiechic]

I don't know. it said court records show the case was dismissed after she failed to make payments.

Court records show the woman's mother Angela Suleman filed for bankruptcy last March, but after she failed to make required payments and appear at a creditors' meeting, the case was dismissed.

She also reported liabilities of $981,371, mostly money owed on two houses she owns
in Whittier.

Suleman said Friday that she had withdrawn the filing and paid her debts.

She said she paid her debts.

[Renrut]

LOS ANGELES – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.

Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.

"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."

Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.

A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were doing well and seven were breathing unassisted.

While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.

She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."

Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."

There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.

Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.

Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.

"She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."

Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said.

"Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," he mother said.

Her daughter's obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.

"Maybe she wouldn't have had so many kids then, but she is a grown woman," Angela Suleman said. "I feel responsible and I didn't want to throw her out."

Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.

"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.

"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."

Garcia said she did not ask for details.

Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.

Her fertility doctor has not been identified. Her mother told the Los Angeles Times all the children came from the same sperm donor but she declined to identify him.

Birth certificates reviewed by The Associated Press identify a David Solomon as the father for the four oldest children. Certificates for the other children were not immediately available.

The news that the octuplets' mother already had six children sparked an ethical debate. Some medical experts were disturbed to hear that she was offered fertility treatment, and troubled by the possibility that she was implanted with so many embryos.

Others worried that she would be overwhelmed trying to raise so many children and would end up relying on public support.

The eight babies — six boys and two girls — were delivered by Cesarean section weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. Forty-six physicians and staff assisted in the deliveries

[gmyers]

Did I read that right. Her mother said her daughter told her she was paid to do the invetro.

[Jenefer3]

Did I read that right. Her mother said her daughter told her she was paid to do the invetro.

No, the lady who used to watch one of her kids said that.

[gmyers]

Is it normal to be paid to do invetro and if so who paid her to do it? The fertilty clinic? I wonder if thats why she did it so many times.

[ahippiechic]

I don't understand the 'paid' part either. She used her own eggs apparently for the pregnancies. So I don't understand how she would get paid. Seems like SHE should have been paying for the implantation. (or not, since she worked there) Maybe the sitter misunderstood that part.

I could understand getting paid if she was carrying the embryos for someone else but not to have children for herself.

[Jenefer3]

I could understand getting paid if she was carrying the embryos for someone else but not to have children for herself.

Maybe she started out doing that but then changed her mind and kept the kids instead?

[Renrut]

Probably not only cause her mom said she wanted one more girl.

[April78945]

Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said

Her mother sounds like a real *****.

As for being paid, I think perhaps she started out donating her eggs and used that to do IVF. Who knows. I really don't care. The kids are healthy, the mom seems to want them and she can support them.

[Mary Jo]

In vitro isn't cheap so she must be well off.
I doubt she's on welfare and I don't insurance would cover much if any.
Plus it said her husband/SO was a contractor in Iraq so he's making some big bucks there.
As far as all the free diapers and such she'll probably get, that'll all help for a year or two but not forever. Think of the $$ for school supplies she'll eventually have to shell out.
Whatever, at least it's something on the news besides the depressing state of the economy.

[gmyers]

Well at least she or someone will be doing something to stimulate the economy with all the diapers and stuff she's going to have to pay for her 14 kids.

[ahippiechic]

In vitro isn't cheap so she must be well off.
I doubt she's on welfare and I don't insurance would cover much if any.
Plus it said her husband/SO was a contractor in Iraq so he's making some big bucks there.
As far as all the free diapers and such she'll probably get, that'll all help for a year or two but not forever. Think of the $$ for school supplies she'll eventually have to shell out.
Whatever, at least it's something on the news besides the depressing state of the economy.

The IVF was done at the clinic where she used to work. No one knows if she paid anything for any of it. Nevermind the unethical part of it.

She isn't married.

There is no 'husband working in Iraq'

Her mother is pretty far in debt according to court records, but she said 'she paid it off' So we don't know whether she gets welfare or not. She doesn't work and lives with her parents. Her father had to go back to Iraq to work to help support them.

[speedygirl]

According to this article, she was paid to do it???



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets


Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids



LOS ANGELES – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.

Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.

"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."

Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.

A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were were progressing daily, with all eight breathing unassisted and being tube-fed.

While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.

She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."

Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."

There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.

Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.

Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.

"She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."

Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said.

"Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," he mother said.

Her daughter's obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.

"Maybe she wouldn't have had so many kids then, but she is a grown woman," Angela Suleman said. "I feel responsible and I didn't want to throw her out."

Little psychological research has been conducted on the reasons some mothers seem hooked on repeated pregnancies. David Diamond, a co-director for the Center for Reproductive Psychology in San Diego, said mothers can be drawn to repeat pregnancies for a number of reasons, with some finding the experience so satisfying they choose to become surrogates.

Diane G. Sanford, a psychologist and author specializing in women's reproductive mental health, said while she doesn't know much about Nadya Suleman's background, women that have obsessive-compulsive disorder can become fixated on different obsessions.

"Her obsession centers around children, having children and being a mother," she said. "To what degree are her esteem and identity based on being a mom and why has this from a young age been such a preoccupation of hers?"

Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.

"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.

"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."
Garcia said she did not ask for details.

Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.

Her fertility doctor has not been identified. Her mother told the Los Angeles Times all the children came from the same sperm donor but she declined to identify him.

Birth certificates reviewed by The Associated Press identify a David Solomon as the father for the four oldest children. Certificates for the other children were not immediately available.

Angela Suleman told reporters Friday that doctors implanted far fewer than eight embryos but they multiplied. Experts said this could be possible since Nadya Suleman's system has likely been hyperstimulated for years with fertilization treatments and drugs.

The news that the octuplets' mother already had six children sparked an ethical debate. Some medical experts were disturbed to hear that she was offered fertility treatment, and troubled by the possibility that she was implanted with so many embryos.

"You should always shoot for one," said Dr. Marcelle Cedars, a professor and director of reproductive health at the University of California, San Francisco, Medical Center, who worried about the increased risk of potential health complications for the babies.

Others worried that she would be overwhelmed trying to raise so many children and would end up relying on public support.

"This woman could not comprehend the ramifications of having eight children of the same age at the same time," said Judith Horowitz, a Parkland, Fla.-based psychologist and author who works with couples on fertility issues. "After Pampers stops delivering the free diapers, then what?"

The eight babies — six boys and two girls — were delivered by cesarean section weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. Forty-six physicians and staff assisted in the deliveries.

[ahippiechic]

He sitter said she told her she got paid to do it. But I find that hard to believe.

[freeby4me]

I wonder how that ladies mother is going to just leave? Not that I blame her. I may be unpopular for my view but I find it disturbing. Very disturbing.

[freeby4me]

From one of the articles, her ex husband isn't the father of any of her children.

Doesnt anyone else find that a little odd? I mean, you dont use your own husbands sperm for any of the kids?

[ahippiechic]

In 1 place I read that he was her ex husband but then the mother said she had never been married, so I dunno, whole bunch of BS....

[freeby4me]

In 1 place I read that he was her ex husband but then the mother said she had never been married, so I dunno, whole bunch of BS....

Yea I guess so. I am trying to read on this but sheesh. Its hard to keep up.

[gmyers]

If it was the same sperm donor. Whoever it is now has 14 kids just by her. I wonder what would happen if she turned around and sued the donor for child support. I read once where a woman did that.

[ahippiechic]

Legally you shouldn't be able to sue a sperm donor for child support.

[ahippiechic]

This is possible...

Angela Suleman told reporters Friday that doctors implanted far fewer than eight embryos but they multiplied. Experts said this could be possible since Nadya Suleman's system has likely been hyperstimulated for years with fertilization treatments and drugs.

[MERE CHAT]

She already has 6 kids that were all from IVF, last 2 twins. She was recently divorced and none of those kids are from her ex. The news said all the sperm donated with all, including the octuplets came from the same donor. She must have some mental issues and the doctor that kept doing this procedure has some medical ethics issues as well. I know selective reduction was offered, but this is ridiculous to proceed given the fact that she already has 6 kids. As for her parents, they are already caring for the other grandkids and all I see is big time welfare, help from Gerber, Pampers, etc. Perhaps she thinks she'll get her own TV show like the Duggars or Jon and Kate plus 8. What's next?? I adopted a Dog with 12 pups?? Purina, Alpo, HELP!!!!

[atprm]

I just posted an update --- she wants Oprah to make her a $2M TV star, her "new career" is to be a CHILDCARE EXPERT on tv.

[Anniston]

What??? She is already talking 'Oprah'????

[April78945]

Her husband could be infertile...that would explain why his sperm wasn't used

[LuvBigRip]

Her husband could be infertile...that would explain why his sperm wasn't used

There is no husband.

[April78945]

Ex-husband...whatever

[msmom79]

If She Doesnt Have Any Mental Problems-she Just May Now-14 Kids Come On,thats Crazy For A Single Mom To Handle!!! And Grandma Said She Isnt Gonna Be There When She Gets Outta The Hospital-maybe She Should Adopt A Few Of Them Out To Folks Who Are Not Able To Have Children-just My Thoughts

[gmyers]

If She Doesnt Have Any Mental Problems-she Just May Now-14 Kids Come On,thats Crazy For A Single Mom To Handle!!! And Grandma Said She Isnt Gonna Be There When She Gets Outta The Hospital-maybe She Should Adopt A Few Of Them Out To Folks Who Are Not Able To Have Children-just My Thoughts

Yeah and 11 of them is 3 or under. Thats 11 babies to take care of and keep up with. I feel sorry for the 5, 6, and 7 year olds they're going to have to help feed and look after the younger ones. Thats not fair to them.

[janelle]

I hope the quack doctors who agreed to go it will be sued for all they have and the money used to rais the kids.

No doctor would agree to fertilize a woman who already has 6 kids with 2 year old twins. The state had to be paying these doctors, where did the money come from? Fertility treatments are not cheap.

I think her mother said she was obsessed with babies. Probably wanted to keep up with Angelina Jolie but has had the money.

[tarbabie]

Wouldn't you like to have her tax return for next year? Not all the diapers and formula though- it was all we could do to have one- at a time, let alone 8....YIKES!!!

[Renrut]

Wouldn't you like to have her tax return for next year? Not all the diapers and formula though- it was all we could do to have one- at a time, let alone 8....YIKES!!!


I thought it didn't matter after the first two kids??

[ahippiechic]

I thought it didn't matter after the first two kids??

It doesn't. Same for welfare, after so many kids you don't get an increase.

[galeane29]

I have 6 kids. And you do get a credit for each child but only partial.