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Jolie Rouge
01-02-2009, 04:30 PM
Many illegal immigrants live in public housing
By ELLIOT SPAGAT, Associated Press Writer
Thu Jan 1, 10:13 am ET

Untold thousands of illegal immigrants live in public housing at a time when hundreds of thousands of citizens and legal residents are stuck waiting years for a spot.

Illegal immigrants make up a tiny portion of the 7.1 million people in federal housing, according to government statistics. But authorities may be unaware of thousands more, and critics say no illegal immigrant should get housing benefits.

The issue made headlines in November with news that Zeituni Onyango, an aunt of President-elect Barack Obama, was living in Boston public housing while in the country illegally.

The federal government, which funds the lion's share of the nation's public housing, requires only that illegal immigrants share a home with at least one family member who is in the country legally and pay their share of the rent.

While there are no hard numbers on illegal immigrants in public housing, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development reports that 29,570 people — 0.4 percent of all those in federally funded housing — are "ineligible noncitizens." Some may be on temporary visas, such as highly educated workers or college students, but many are believed to be illegal immigrants.

Frank Bean, director of the University of California, Irvine's Center for Research on Immigration, Population and Public Policy, estimates at least half of ineligible noncitizens — or about 15,000 — are illegal immigrants with U.S.-born children. Anyone born on U.S. soil is automatically a citizen, making their families eligible for federal housing.

The HUD tally does not offer a full picture of how many illegal immigrants are in public housing.

It doesn't include housing funded by state and local governments, where eligibility requirements vary. Massachusetts, where Obama's aunt occupied one of about 50,000 state-funded units, doesn't ask immigration status under a 1977 federal consent decree in a class-action lawsuit that prohibits the state from denying the benefit to illegal immigrants.

Other illegal immigrants may live in public housing without notifying authorities.

"It seems that the larger concern would be those who we don't know about that may be in the U.S. illegally and living in federal housing, yet never risk presenting themselves to HUD," said Jonathan Graffeo, a spokesman for Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala.

Some prospective tenants and advocates of immigration restrictions are angry about U.S. citizens waiting for housing aid that some number of illegal immigrants are enjoying.

New York City has about 260,000 people in line for housing aid. Chicago recently opened its waiting list for the first time in about 10 years and collected 259,000 names in four weeks for 40,000 slots.

"As long as that waiting list includes American citizens or legal immigrants, there's no reason an illegal alien should occupy any of that housing," said Rosemary Jenks, director of government relations for NumbersUSA, a group that supports curbs on immigration.

In San Diego, applicants are told they can expect to wait five to seven years.

"I don't think we should take a second seat to anyone," said Daryl Ford, who applied for housing aid last year and lives in a San Diego homeless shelter. "We send money to everyone else in the world but we're struggling here."

Some say the costs of illegal immigration in public housing are overstated.

Tanya Broder, an attorney with the National Immigration Law Center, said illegal immigrants are reluctant to seek government benefits because they keep low profiles. Even some legal immigrants shun public housing, fearing reprisals against them or their families, she said.

Illegal immigrants get free public education through high school and emergency medical care, but are denied many other services, like food stamps and broad Medicaid coverage.

Elliotte Skinner, 48, applied for public housing in San Diego in 2000 and lives in a cramped studio with a shared shower. He says focusing on illegal immigrants misses the point.

"There's too much blame on illegals for the country's problems," he said. "Their numbers are so small (in federally funded housing) they don't even make a difference. The real problem is we don't have enough affordable housing."

Elena Salmon, 45, lives at a San Diego home where about 30 women share four bathrooms while she waits for public housing, but she said it would be inhumane to deny housing to illegal immigrants.

"That's not what America is about," she said. "Why should we kick them out, even if they are taking up some space?"

HUD declined to break down the number of ineligible noncitizens by city or state.

The New York City Housing Authority reports 2,471 families with at least one ineligible noncitizen, or 0.9 percent of the 289,000 households on vouchers or in housing developments.

The San Diego Housing Commission reports 658 of the 37,120 people on federal housing vouchers are ineligible noncitizens, or 1.8 percent. The San Francisco Housing Authority has 148 ineligible noncitizens among its 28,611 people in federal housing, or 0.5 percent.

Housing agencies in Miami-Dade County and Chicago each reported serving less than 50 ineligible noncitizens. The Boston Housing Authority reports 288 of its 45,100 families on federal housing assistance are ineligible noncitizens, or 0.6 percent.

Onyango, the half-sister of Obama's late father, applied for public housing in 2002 while she was in the country legally seeking asylum from her native Kenya, said Lydia Agro, spokeswoman for the Boston Housing Authority, which has a waiting list of nearly 20,000 people.

Onyango moved into federally funded housing in 2003 and stayed there after 2004, when, The Associated Press learned, an immigration judge denied her asylum application and ordered her to leave the country.

Onyango transferred to an apartment funded only by the state, which cannot ask about immigration status under the court order. In November, her attorney said she was staying with relatives in Cleveland and would fight her deportation order.

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whatever
01-02-2009, 05:23 PM
We get rid of dependent Illegals and that would take care of alot of the million dollar defiect problems these states are facing IMO.
Cause they ain't paying taxes!!!

meltodd69
01-03-2009, 09:31 AM
HUD doesn't care. I have been reporting the house across the street for a year now. The little old lady that was living there has been in a nursing home for a year. She isn't coming home. Yet HUD keeps paying the rent. Sure someone is living there, and they are dealing drugs too. So now HUD is paying the rent on crack houses. What worse? Illegals or crack dealers?

gmyers
01-03-2009, 10:52 AM
They ought to take the public housing from the illegals and give it to American citizens who need it. Who are paying taxes. Let the illegals pay for their own houses. It's ridiculous how easy they get aid from the government and American citizens have to jump through hoops to get any help.

Char
01-03-2009, 11:07 AM
HUD doesn't care. I have been reporting the house across the street for a year now. The little old lady that was living there has been in a nursing home for a year. She isn't coming home. Yet HUD keeps paying the rent. Sure someone is living there, and they are dealing drugs too. So now HUD is paying the rent on crack houses. What worse? Illegals or crack dealers?

You are 100% correct... they don't care ! Maybe not HUD, but, the people working for HUD.

We have a house next door... One woman rented it, with a 10 year old kid, that she only had every other weekend (I'm sure HUD didn't know that part), ended up, there were a dozen people living there, not one of them worked, they partied 24/7, and dealt drugs as well. Maybe a dozen or so '5 minute stops' there a day, where carloads would pull up, but, one person would run into the house for a few minutes, come running out, jump in their car, and, everyone inside would start looking to see the 'goodies' they got. They smoked dope outside... *duh*

HUD did NOTHING ! The entire neighborhood was complaining !! They finally left, because they didn't pay their share of the rent.

The next person to rent it... a 'hair stylist' with a 7 year old boy... She had a live-in BF with a full time job, again, HUD doesn't care... they were paying for him too ! They are gone now too, not paying her share of the rent.

I wish I worked for HUD !!!

SS is the same... we know a guy, he is in full disability, claiming a 'bad back'... I only wish I was in as good of health as he is !! Get this... he works like 60 hours a week, under the table, in his own business !!! He passes out business cards, he does at-home auto repair. He is the only one in town that does 24/7 service, he makes a killing !! The dipschitt actually had his van painted with his business name and phone number... then. someone told him it was a bad idea, that someone could 'turn hin in', since his name and phone number were on the vehicle... he took it off right away !


The story seems the same... all the peeps taking all they can get away with... this guy is fully able to care for his family with his business. Oh, he has 4 kids too, and, gets SS for each of them too. UNREAL !!

jeanea33
01-03-2009, 12:41 PM
HUD is a joke here too. Here in washington we pay landlords a 100 dollars more to rent to someone on hud. Thats why the rent goes up for everyone else not on hud. Whos going to rent it for less if they can make extra money. My brother in law owns property and deals with people on HUD. He even had HUD come ask him to put the electric in his name, they would pay him 100 extra to do that. Because the woman that needed it owed the electric company 1300.00. We have a illegal problem here as well. We are one of those states that give illegals I.D.'s. Our governor is even spending money to build centers to help illegals find jobs. So I have no doubt we have our fair share in hud housing here as well. Just ticks me off!

whatever
01-03-2009, 04:35 PM
See this is what makes me mad. Our states and goverment wonder why they are millions short on money every year. Well take a good look around. People on food stamps, hud, welfare, ssi who don't NEED to be imo. It never ceases to amaze me how many can "cheat" the system.