Are you nervous about our future?

[renaissanceman]

I got this in my patriotpost newsletter, I hope it helps some of you.




"We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times." --George Washington

PUBLISHER'S NOTE
Fellow Patriots,

Tuesday, 4 November 2008, is a date which will live in infamy. While most presidential elections are followed with calls for unity by both candidates, Barack Obama issued no such call in his speech last night, with the possible exception of his observation, "I may not have won your vote tonight, but ... I will be your president, too."

Of course, none was expected -- liberals have elected a Socialist with deep ties to cultural and ethnocentric radicalism, and his executive and legislative agenda poses a greater threat to American liberty than that of any president in the history of our great republic.

Obama has twice taken an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and to "bear true faith and allegiance to the same." He has never honored that oath, and, based on his policy proposals and objectives, he has no intention to honor it after again reciting that oath on 20 January 2009. Obama seeks to, in his own words, "break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution."

For that reason, this morning, the symbol of our national heritage of liberty, the American flag atop the 35-foot mast at our editorial offices, was respectfully lowered, inverted, and raised to full mast as a sign of national distress. It will remain inverted until next Tuesday, when we right it in honor of Veterans Day.

Today, at least 55,805,197 Americans are concerned for the future of our nation's great tradition of liberty. Some 63,007,791 Americans have been lulled, under the aegis of "hope and change," into a state of what is best described as "cult worship" and all its attendant deception.

One of our editors, a Marine now working in the private sector, summed up our circumstances with this situation report. It aptly captured the sentiments around our office: "It's been tough, fellow Patriots; tough to stomach the idea that more than half of my fellow citizens who vote, have booted a genuine American hero to the curb for a rudderless charlatan. What a sad indictment on our citizenry that some are so eager to overlook his myriad flaws -- his radical roots, his extreme liberalism, his utter lack of experience or achievement. Barack Obama is the antithesis of King's dream: He's a man judged by the color of his skin rather than the content of his character. If it's God's will that Barack Obama is our next president, then so be it. We Patriots will pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and wade back to the war front, intent on liberty or death."

This battle is lost, but the war is not. Let's roll.

Mark Alexander

[DrHolliday]

Read Joshua 1:5 and Daniel 6:26.

The future is dark. But God will protect His people.

[Out2Lunch]

Great article.

And yes, I am VERY worried about our futures.

[Char]

Yes, I even have a sort of 'sick' feeling... not sure, but, almost a fear.

[speedygirl]

No, I am not nervous nor fearful. I am hopeful. I am tired of living my life in a panic over the last several years due to things that were not in my control. The best I can do is to make choices that that are best for our family and pray that life takes a good path.

[Char]

I have not had many fears since 2001... At least Bushy let the world know that the USA would no longer put up with any BS... I can guarantee you, that fear they had of Bush has kept us safer, to some degree, since 9/11/01

[DBackFan]

I just had to give it up to a higher power. I am not afraid but I don't think things are going to be very easy for awhile.

[LuvBigRip]

I have also handed my fears over to a higher power, but that inner feeling I get is to prepare for the worst. I will trust that inner voice, it has served me well over the years.

[ahippiechic]

I just had to give it up to a higher power. I am not afraid but I don't think things are going to be very easy for awhile.

I don't things things are going to be very easy for awhile either and they might get worse before they get any better. But I think it would have been that way no matter which man got elected. (I didn't vote for either of them)

[Anig2u]

I think a lot of people's fears are coming from the unknown, and also because of the downward spiral we have been in for a while now. There is only one thing to fear and that is your God...so say some.

[stresseater]

I posted this reply in the gun thread but it applies here as well with a bit of tweaking.
"We've been stocking up on ammo,handguns and rifles (both for hunting and home defense)and such for the last 6 months. I also have extra veggie seeds I figure since food prices are sure to rise handily it wouldn't hurt to be ready. I also bought a pressure cooker, jars and lids for canning and have a vacuum sealer and dehydrator to preserve food. We should be ok for the next 4 years. Hopefully by then people will see what he's done/ doing and we can try again." I also am moving the 401K investments(such as they are) to safer investments for a while.

[galeane29]

Yes, I even have a sort of 'sick' feeling... not sure, but, almost a fear.

I woke up this morning feeling the same way.

[Jackie_Blu]

Yes, I even have a sort of 'sick' feeling... not sure, but, almost a fear.

I know exactly how you feel. A friend described it as a feeling of "impending doom", and I agree. Makes me 'almost' wish I had not checked facts on him and stayed ignorant :(

[jonette5]

I got this in my patriotpost newsletter, I hope it helps some of you.

For that reason, this morning, the symbol of our national heritage of liberty, the American flag atop the 35-foot mast at our editorial offices, was respectfully lowered, inverted, and raised to full mast as a sign of national distress. It will remain inverted until next Tuesday, when we right it in honor of Veterans Day.


ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME! Want to talk about unpatriotic and disrespectful! I am appaled! These folks are lunatics!

For all of you who are so "scared and feeling sick" let me tell you a few more things to fuel your fire. I have heard (on the internet of course, so you know it's true!) that with Obama as president, that the apocalypse is near, the seas will open up and swallow all vessels, a swarm of locust as big as the state of Texas will invade the country, the devil himself will arise from the depths of hell and devoure all who have not stock piled their guns and food. Good grief people GET A GRIP! As much as some of you want to believe it, the man is NOT the Anti-Christ. This election has really brought the right-winged loonies out. I have never witnessed such craziness in all my life. Even the Bush-Haters are not this crazy!

[Char]

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME! Want to talk about unpatriotic and disrespectful! I am appaled! These folks are lunatics!

For all of you who are so "scared and feeling sick" let me tell you a few more things to fuel your fire. I have heard (on the internet of course, so you know it's true!) that with Obama as president, that the apocalypse is near, the seas will open up and swallow all vessels, a swarm of locust as big as the state of Texas will invade the country, the devil himself will arise from the depths of hell and devoure all who have not stock piled their guns and food. Good grief people GET A GRIP! As much as some of you want to believe it, the man is NOT the Anti-Christ. This election has really brought the right-winged loonies out. I have never witnessed such craziness in all my life. Even the Bush-Haters are not this crazy!


You are talking all kinds of ridiculous and crazy things... all of which is BS.

When I get a 'feeling', a 'sense of something is just not right', I have learned to take note of it, to listen to my intuition. I don't think any of the stuff you speak of is going to happen. I don't think people with a 'sense' are 'right-winged loonies'.

[uzjazz123]

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME! Want to talk about unpatriotic and disrespectful! I am appaled! These folks are lunatics!

For all of you who are so "scared and feeling sick" let me tell you a few more things to fuel your fire. I have heard (on the internet of course, so you know it's true!) that with Obama as president, that the apocalypse is near, the seas will open up and swallow all vessels, a swarm of locust as big as the state of Texas will invade the country, the devil himself will arise from the depths of hell and devoure all who have not stock piled their guns and food. Good grief people GET A GRIP! As much as some of you want to believe it, the man is NOT the Anti-Christ. This election has really brought the right-winged loonies out. I have never witnessed such craziness in all my life. Even the Bush-Haters are not this crazy!

Jonette5 you summed it up real good.
I am super duper Hopeful.My future is in God's hands and not in the faith of any person at all.
Remember FDR...."We have nothing to fear but fear itself"

Above all "The Lord is my light and my salvation,whom shall I fear"

[Char]

Jonette5 you summed it up real good.
I am super duper Hopeful.My future is in God's hands and not in the faith of any person at all.
Remember FDR...."We have nothing to fear but fear itself"

Above all "The Lord is my light and my salvation,whom shall I fear"


I have total faith in my god... it's this system that I'm not too sure of.

Just like those people who drive around with license plates that read "Jesus is my co-pilot"... they still have to steer the car, don't they ??

God gave us intuition, it's a way of being prepared, and/or cautious, and smart.

[LuvBigRip]

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME! Want to talk about unpatriotic and disrespectful! I am appaled! These folks are lunatics!

For all of you who are so "scared and feeling sick" let me tell you a few more things to fuel your fire. I have heard (on the internet of course, so you know it's true!) that with Obama as president, that the apocalypse is near, the seas will open up and swallow all vessels, a swarm of locust as big as the state of Texas will invade the country, the devil himself will arise from the depths of hell and devoure all who have not stock piled their guns and food. Good grief people GET A GRIP! As much as some of you want to believe it, the man is NOT the Anti-Christ. This election has really brought the right-winged loonies out. I have never witnessed such craziness in all my life. Even the Bush-Haters are not this crazy!

I am uneasy for perfectly rational reasons. Higher taxes, which will lead to more jobs being lost, the whole theory of spreading the wealth is in direct conflict with the American Dream. Working hard to earn the wealth is what it is all about. Even my 16 year old DD asks why should she continue to excel in HS, go on to college, assume college loan debt all to better herself to help ensure the American Dream when she would be forced to share it with someone who refuses to better themselves.

[renaissanceman]

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME! Want to talk about unpatriotic and disrespectful! I am appaled! These folks are lunatics!

For all of you who are so "scared and feeling sick" let me tell you a few more things to fuel your fire. I have heard (on the internet of course, so you know it's true!) that with Obama as president, that the apocalypse is near, the seas will open up and swallow all vessels, a swarm of locust as big as the state of Texas will invade the country, the devil himself will arise from the depths of hell and devoure all who have not stock piled their guns and food. Good grief people GET A GRIP! As much as some of you want to believe it, the man is NOT the Anti-Christ. This election has really brought the right-winged loonies out. I have never witnessed such craziness in all my life. Even the Bush-Haters are not this crazy!

You spout nonsense that none of us actually believe as if it helps your claim that the people at the patriot post are lunatics?

Where did you learn to debate?

Flying your flag at half mast or upside down is a perfectly valid reponse.

They (and I) believe that this country is heading into tumultous and frightening times ahead.

When we leave the traditions that our nation was founded upon for a feel good, gussied up version of socialism????

That gets a few people upset! About half of the voters in America rejected these ideas.

Many of the ones who didn't reject these ideas are people who want nothing more out of life than to be taken care of.

If this is not an indictment on our nation's failures I don't know what is.

[ahippiechic]

Just a reminder...this is NOT a debate site.

[Anig2u]

They (and I) believe that this country is heading into tumultous and frightening times ahead.

When we leave the traditions that our nation was founded upon for a feel good, gussied up version of socialism????.

Some people would call that change. Sometimes change is good, somtimes it is bad. Traditions are not set in stone, they are just things that have been carried through time. My family has changed some of our traditions, and I like them. Was our nation really founded on traditions?

[cSoReNSoN]

If one considers imperialism, sexism and racism traditions to uphold, then yes America was founded on the principle of tradition.

[keoka3]

I listen to the radio on the way to work, and of course they didn't vote for him, but they were saying since the taxes are going up for the ones that make 250,000. that means businesses will have to raise their prices to pay the taxes, gas will go back up, and more jobs will be lost. All the jobs in my town has gone to Mexico, we have a few factories open but they are laying off too, cutting back, another one closed the other day that has been open forever for the last 50 yrs that I know of.

[atprm]

Originally Posted by jonette5 View Post
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME! Want to talk about unpatriotic and disrespectful! I am appaled! These folks are lunatics!

For all of you who are so "scared and feeling sick" let me tell you a few more things to fuel your fire. I have heard (on the internet of course, so you know it's true!) that with Obama as president, that the apocalypse is near, the seas will open up and swallow all vessels, a swarm of locust as big as the state of Texas will invade the country, the devil himself will arise from the depths of hell and devoure all who have not stock piled their guns and food. Good grief people GET A GRIP! As much as some of you want to believe it, the man is NOT the Anti-Christ. This election has really brought the right-winged loonies out. I have never witnessed such craziness in all my life. Even the Bush-Haters are not this crazy!

:rolling

and this is how people who vote for anyone other than Dem or Rep feel everyday of every year...while they are dealing with someone other than their candidate...that the rest of the world has gone to hell in a handbasket.

**probably the safest state to live in for the next 4 years is the LFOD state (NH)



hang on to your hats, you might not like the changes that are in store for you, learn to take care of your own (before taking care of the rest of the world) and hunker down.. we aren't to the bottom yet, but most certainly life as we were comfortable with will drastically change -- it may not even be noticeable at first, but ...it will change...and possibly not for the better.

[Anig2u]

:rolling

and this is how people who vote for anyone other than Dem or Rep feel everyday of every year...while they are dealing with someone other than their candidate...that the rest of the world has gone to hell in a handbasket.

**probably the safest state to live in for the next 4 years is the LFOD state (NH)



hang on to your hats, you might not like the changes that are in store for you, learn to take care of your own (before taking care of the rest of the world) and hunker down.. we aren't to the bottom yet, but most certainly life as we were comfortable with will drastically change -- it may not even be noticeable at first, but ...it will change...and possibly not for the better.


Geeze, how about a little optimism..LOL. There is no use tryin to scare me, cuz I will just pack up and head to your house..where all the stock pile is..hahahahahaha

[Bahet]

I voted for McCain but I'm still optimistic about Obama. He's not Bush.

[atprm]

Geeze, how about a little optimism..LOL. There is no use tryin to scare me, cuz I will just pack up and head to your house..where all the stock pile is..hahahahahaha


LOL

I wasnt being pessimistic -- you won't have to move very far ... 1 state over. LOL

they still have moose, so you won't have to live "outside your element" LOL

[Anig2u]

LOL

I wasnt being pessimistic -- you won't have to move very far ... 1 state over. LOL

they still have moose, so you won't have to live "outside your element" LOL

:rofl:

[SurferGirl]

Well most of us will get out of the stock market for one thing, why take a risk and then have to pay higher capital gains taxes I think the stock market will go down daily as people pull their money out before the end of the year. My neighbor told me that the company she is working for will close at the end of the year, she was told this morning. I don't like the idea of our country becoming a socialist country and I don't like the idea that Obama can appoint supreme court justices that will serve for life.
My hubby said that he thinks Obama will raise taxes even on the middle class and what little we would have left will go just to pay higher prices for every day necessities.

Many have called people racist that didn't like Obama. There were so many people who voted for him because he was black and didn't bother to check out his past. The media spent more time on Sarah's wardrobe than they did over the Obama and Rezko land dean. The only news station that even mentioned William Ayers was fox news. I would really want to know if my future president prefers to hang out with communists. They even let the fact slide that Obama belonged to a church that hates America.

[Bahet]

Most people who understand the market won't be pulling out. They will be buying more. They will be buying the undervalued shares of the little investors who are panicking and pulling out and in the end they will get rich because of it.

[atprm]

Most people who understand the market won't be pulling out. They will be buying more. They will be buying the undervalued shares of the little investors who are panicking and pulling out and in the end they will get rich because of it.


that's the bull market vs the bear market. :)

bear market -- when everything goes down in price or stocks drop way off... bulls buy it up knowing that they will eventually start rising again in the bull market.

[Anig2u]

I don't get it. People are pulling their money out of the stock market and their retirement plans left & right, all these business's are closing and yet they all want to blame Obama for it. He was just nominated POTUS last night, so how can he be to blame for all this. Of course the stock market is going to go down daily..hello?? Also, I hate to tell you, but Obama's religious belief's and associate's have nothing to do with him being able to run our Country. Since when have politicians been so honest? So many past POTUS's have made promises and not kept them, so why should Obama be picked apart..especially when not even given a chance yet?

[Bahet]

that's the bull market vs the bear market. :)

bear market -- when everything goes down in price or stocks drop way off... bulls buy it up knowing that they will eventually start rising again in the bull market.

Yes. I know that. Glad to know I'm not the only one. ;) :lol

[atprm]

think about it though -- cars will never go away -- and right now, on the bear market, you could essentially invest $1000 and end up with 145 shares of Ford Motor Company...at $7.00 a share

say you hold your 145 shares of stock, and the market turns into a bull market...and your shares a year from now, Ford stocks close at $100 a share... sell at that point, you will have turned your $1000 investment into $14,500!

[atprm]

I knew you knew that, bahet, figured you were explaining it simplistic-like for those that didn't know -- I just thought I would add the correct terms (so in case someone heard it on the news, they would then be informed).


right anig?? LOL (hides)

[Anig2u]

I knew you knew that, bahet, figured you were explaining it simplistic-like for those that didn't know -- I just thought I would add the correct terms (so in case someone heard it on the news, they would then be informed).


right anig?? LOL (hides)

I SEE DEAD PEOPLE's STOCKS FALLING

[atprm]

no you are supposed to see dead people... not dead stocks!!!

[Anig2u]

no you are supposed to see dead people... not dead stocks!!!

It's a free country I can see whatever I want..hahahahaha

Ok I fixed it..LMAO

[atprm]

as long as you stayed dressed.


LMAO































hides.

[Bahet]

(creepy kid from The Shining voice) Ennnron. Ennnron. Ennron.

[Anig2u]

as long as we dont have to see you naked


LMAO































hides.


Are you sure??? I can send ya some pix ROFLMFAO!!!

[atprm]

can we put them up on hot or not??? or on revengeworld??

[Anig2u]

can we put them up on hot or not??? or on revengeworld??

Nevermind..you aint gettin me in trouble!!

[SurferGirl]

If I wasn't so worried about Obama causing an economic disaster I would have bought a few more houses for rentals. Lately you can pick them up for about half of what the asking price was a year ago. With all the great buys out there I only bought 2. I know I can keep those rented until the market picks up and the capital gains rate is reasonable again.

[janelle]

Donald Trump was on FOX tonight and he is worried. He's building a golf complex in Scotland, not here. He says to study what happened in '29.

If you have money to lose you can play the stock market but who can afford that unless you are rich enough to gamble with your money. Yes, the rich get richer----and you thought Obama was going to take care of that. LOL

[janelle]

Comment by JG
November 6th, 2008 at 12:32 am
Revised: Donald Trump is an idiot when it comes to his judgment about the economy and the stock market. He doesn’t have a clue about the economy and the market. He has lost more money than he has made, and he was able to afford these losses because he has always had so much family money to throw around. He just likes to say things to get his name in the news, so he starts comparing now to 1929, so it will be repeated in the news. And his criticism of President Bush? So, now Bush should have never sent our military into Afghanistan either after the terrorist attacks by Bin Laden killed innocent Americans on 9/11/01? Trump harshly criticizes President Bush for “starting ‘2′ wars” and for demolishing our economy (never mind the Democrats controlling Congress the last few years) and adds that people in other Countries don’t think as highly of Americans since Bush took office. Who gives a “you know what” about what other people in other countries think about us? Why should we care? I guess if the Iranian Prime Minister doesn’t like us anymore, we should do something to make him like us. Oh, wait — we did. We elected Obama.

Anyway, I am simply amazed at the spin of so many of these Hollywood types, like Trump. I know President Bush has made some mistakes, but going into Afghanistan to defend the worst attack against Americans on our own soil was not one of them. Also, it just shows ignorance on Trump’s part that he doesn’t understand the importance of the Democrats in Congress, run by that vindictive lunatic, Pelosi, with regards to many of our economic problems. Fanny May and FredMac fiascos originated with then President Jimmy Carter and his Democratic Congress. Bush tried more than once to bring attention to the problems with Fanny and FredMac, but Pelosi and her crew thwarted his attempts to start mending said problems. Pelosi is a piece of sick work. Trump, more often than not, should just — not talk.

[SurferGirl]

Donald Trump has enough money to take some risks and he didn't even build here this time. I think most of us just want something to fall back on when we get too old to work and we need something with very little risk.
We have gotten rid of the little we had that was high risk because even though it would have made a lot more we couldn't afford to lose the money.

[janelle]

I SEE DEAD PEOPLE's STOCKS FALLING

I bet dead people voted.

[speedygirl]

I bet dead people voted.

LOL. Good one, Janelle.

[YNKYH8R]

I got this in my patriotpost newsletter, I hope it helps some of you.




"We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times." --George Washington

PUBLISHER'S NOTE
Fellow Patriots,

Tuesday, 4 November 2008, is a date which will live in infamy. While most presidential elections are followed with calls for unity by both candidates, Barack Obama issued no such call in his speech last night, with the possible exception of his observation, "I may not have won your vote tonight, but ... I will be your president, too."

Of course, none was expected -- liberals have elected a Socialist with deep ties to cultural and ethnocentric radicalism, and his executive and legislative agenda poses a greater threat to American liberty than that of any president in the history of our great republic.

Obama has twice taken an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and to "bear true faith and allegiance to the same." He has never honored that oath, and, based on his policy proposals and objectives, he has no intention to honor it after again reciting that oath on 20 January 2009. Obama seeks to, in his own words, "break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution."

For that reason, this morning, the symbol of our national heritage of liberty, the American flag atop the 35-foot mast at our editorial offices, was respectfully lowered, inverted, and raised to full mast as a sign of national distress. It will remain inverted until next Tuesday, when we right it in honor of Veterans Day.

Today, at least 55,805,197 Americans are concerned for the future of our nation's great tradition of liberty. Some 63,007,791 Americans have been lulled, under the aegis of "hope and change," into a state of what is best described as "cult worship" and all its attendant deception.

One of our editors, a Marine now working in the private sector, summed up our circumstances with this situation report. It aptly captured the sentiments around our office: "It's been tough, fellow Patriots; tough to stomach the idea that more than half of my fellow citizens who vote, have booted a genuine American hero to the curb for a rudderless charlatan. What a sad indictment on our citizenry that some are so eager to overlook his myriad flaws -- his radical roots, his extreme liberalism, his utter lack of experience or achievement. Barack Obama is the antithesis of King's dream: He's a man judged by the color of his skin rather than the content of his character. If it's God's will that Barack Obama is our next president, then so be it. We Patriots will pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and wade back to the war front, intent on liberty or death."

This battle is lost, but the war is not. Let's roll.

Mark AlexanderThe next 4 years will be telling. I think those who voted fo rhim will be inspired or moved to do things bigger than themselves to make this country (not great cause it already is) better.

That is why I feel people voted for him. To be a part of something bigger than themselves. That is why some people join the service.

I think Barrak believes in the American people. Now the American people need to believe in him.

[renaissanceman]

If one considers imperialism, sexism and racism traditions to uphold, then yes America was founded on the principle of tradition.

Notice how everybody just let you slide?

Not me.

America was NOT founded on any of those principles.

That is what is really wrong with this country. Some of us realize, that all of our failings aside we live in the greatest nation on earth.

Others can only see how bad we have been and still are.

We have never been and will never be imperialists. Tell me of ONE single situation where we have forced another country to adopt our standards!

You can't. Women didn't have the right to vote and non-whites were often slaves.

NEITHER of these are in debate, though our nation wasn't founded on them either!

This kind of historical revisionism is not only unbecoming it is dishonest.

[Bahet]

Actually by "all men are created equal" the founding fathers meant "all white male land owners are created equal." Neither women, nor non whites nor non land owners could vote or run for elected office. Their intent was sexist and racist by todays standards. The founding fathers had absolutely no intention of ever having a woman or a minority or for that matter a renter holding public office.

[YankeeMary]

If I wasn't so worried about Obama causing an economic disaster I would have bought a few more houses for rentals. Lately you can pick them up for about half of what the asking price was a year ago. With all the great buys out there I only bought 2. I know I can keep those rented until the market picks up and the capital gains rate is reasonable again.

We are so not worried about it that we have decided to build a new house. Our architect was here last night. We will move forward and hope to have a new home started within the next 1-2 months.

[SurferGirl]

Well back when I decided to invest in a few more rentals I thought that this country had some common sense. I just hope this country can survive this president but I really have serious doubts. He has NO EXPERIENCE and was voted in for all the wrong reasons. Then there are the strong ties he has to the Chicago mob, radical extremists and communists and marxists.
Not good for a country that fought for it's freedom.

[YankeeMary]

Well back when I decided to invest in a few more rentals I thought that this country had some common sense. I just hope this country can survive this president but I really have serious doubts. He has NO EXPERIENCE and was voted in for all the wrong reasons. Then there are the strong ties he has to the Chicago mob, radical extremists and communists and marxists.
Not good for a country that fought for it's freedom.

Well did you have the same fear when Bush was elected??? He has strong ties to the Arabs, he and his father. They are friends with Osama Bin Laudens family. That is scarey as well.

[hotwheelstx]

No, I'm not. I'm tired of Bush and his made up words, not doing anything productive for this country. Plus Laura and the daughters....that's another story in itself. I'm so glad the Bush era is over. I for one am looking forward to what's ahead. Might surprise us all what Obama can do to change things around.

I'm not getting into any debates with anyone here. Everyone has a right to their own opinions....this is just mine.

[Bahet]

Well did you have the same fear when Bush was elected??? He has strong ties to the Arabs, he and his father. They are friends with Osama Bin Laudens family. That is scarey as well.

Let's not forget that he had even less experience than Obama does.

[jeanea33]

Let's not forget that he had even less experience than Obama does.



How is bush being the governor of texas less experience than a community organizer? Clinton was a governor before president, does that make him less experience too?

[Bahet]

Oh you're a witty one aren't you?

Let's see shall we?
Education
Bush: graduated from Yale in the top 85% of his class. Rejected from Univ of Texas law school. Was president of his fraternity.
Obama Graduated from Harvard Law. Was president of Harvard Law Review.

Business experience:
Bush: General partner Texas Rangers 1989-1994. Founder/CEO Bush Exploration (bankrupted)

Obama: Civil Rights attorney. Community organizer. Taught at University of Chicago Law School.

Political experience
Bush: Governor of Texas 1994 - 2000. Failed campaign for state house of Representatives 1978.
Obama: State Senate 1996 - 2004. US Senate 2005 - 2008. Member of Foreign Relations Committee.

So to answer your question of how Obama has more experience than Bush he is better educated, had better civilian job experience, had nearly double the number of years of political experience, and had federal level political experience where Bush had none.

[Bahet]

Clinton was a governor before president, does that make him less experience too?

I missed this part. Clinton was a Rhodes scholar so he's got Obama beat in education. He was Attorney General 1977-1979. He was govenor 1978-1980 and 1982 - 1992. So he's got more years of political experience than Obama although, like Bush, none were at the Federal level.

[YankeeMary]

I missed this part. Clinton was a Rhodes scholar so he's got Obama beat in education. He was Attorney General 1977-1979. He was govenor 1978-1980 and 1982 - 1992. So he's got more years of political experience than Obama although, like Bush, none were at the Federal level.

And Clinton was handsome...LOL.

[SurferGirl]

Well did you have the same fear when Bush was elected??? He has strong ties to the Arabs, he and his father. They are friends with Osama Bin Laudens family. That is scarey as well.

I don't think Bush is all that great but he's not as bad as many try make him.
I think too many people believe all the Michael Moore stuff and didn't do any personal research.

The economy is in the tank for a lot of reasons that had nothing to do with Bush. The high risk loans are one of the reasons. I found it hard to believe the loan offers we received when thinking of real estate investments. We could have gotten loans and walked out of the deal with well over 50 thousand dollars in our pockets. We didn't take those loans because why pay interest on additional money and we got a better rate because we put down between 10 and 20 percent.

Another reason that our economy is in such bad shape is something most of you do without thinking of the consequences to our economy. When you go to some of these discount stores and buy items made in other countries you are putting American workers out of work and sending money to countries that don't have our best interest at heart. Look at the contaminated dog food and lead paint just to name a few.

So instead of blaming Bush for our problems maybe some of you should look in the mirror. Did you take out some of these ridiculas loans? Do you buy products made in China?

[YankeeMary]

I don't think Bush is all that great but he's not as bad as many try make him.
I think too many people believe all the Michael Moore stuff and didn't do any personal research.

The economy is in the tank for a lot of reasons that had nothing to do with Bush. The high risk loans are one of the reasons. I found it hard to believe the loan offers we received when thinking of real estate investments. We could have gotten loans and walked out of the deal with well over 50 thousand dollars in our pockets. We didn't take those loans because why pay interest on additional money and we got a better rate because we put down between 10 and 20 percent.

Another reason that our economy is in such bad shape is something most of you do without thinking of the consequences to our economy. When you go to some of these discount stores and buy items made in other countries you are putting American workers out of work and sending money to countries that don't have our best interest at heart. Look at the contaminated dog food and lead paint just to name a few.

So instead of blaming Bush for our problems maybe some of you should look in the mirror. Did you take out some of these ridiculas loans? Do you buy products made in China?

I hardly believe me shopping at the dollar store caused this problem...LOl. And not that I think it is any of your business, but no we didn't take out any loans what so ever. We flat out own our property and our land. We will be building our home with cash. So again, I am not the cause of what Dubya and his croonies have done to our country. You continue to believe what you want to believe and make up all you need to make up to justify the horrors Bush has done to our country because that is your right. I myself will continue to live in reality and thank Bush every day for screwing my fellow Americans over. I bet ole Bushy boy isn't worried if he will have monies for his rent, food, or insurance.

I also should add that yes I purchase things from China, I say good luck to anyone who refuses to buy thing from other countries now days. Yes I know its all Clintons fault, yet Bush had 8 years to put a stop to importing etc. And for the record I do NOT believe anyone that says they buy American products only.

[SurferGirl]

Well you can't blame Bush he didn't force you to shop at the dollar store.

Now this is one of the reasons that people fear Obama. Also that nutcase that runs Iran thinks Obama is the greatest. I wonder how much money he contributed to Obama's campaign.
But this video deals with another fear that people have.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah-I1wWw2HA

[Bahet]

Bush isn't as bad as we make him out to be? 4000+ families will have one less family member with them this holiday and every holiday forever. Pat Tillman would have been 32 years old today. 100,000+ families will have one less family member with them this holiday season because that person is in Iraq. We needed to attack Afghanistan. We never should have pulled troops from there, ignored OBL, and invaded Iraq instead. Yes, we started that fire and we need to put it out. But no one should have lit that match in the 1st place. We could have been done with Afghanistan by now and it would be OBL who would have been executed.

Bush didn't force anyone to shop at the dollar store. But his failed economic policies cost so much money that many people no longer have a choice.

[DrHolliday]

Bush isn't as bad as we make him out to be? 4000+ families will have one less family member with them this holiday and every holiday forever. Pat Tillman would have been 32 years old today. 100,000+ families will have one less family member with them this holiday season because that person is in Iraq. We needed to attack Afghanistan. We never should have pulled troops from there, ignored OBL, and invaded Iraq instead. Yes, we started that fire and we need to put it out. But no one should have lit that match in the 1st place. We could have been done with Afghanistan by now and it would be OBL who would have been executed.

Bush didn't force anyone to shop at the dollar store. But his failed economic policies cost so much money that many people no longer have a choice.

It's a terrible thing to see someone suffer from Bush-derangement syndrome. :beamup

They'll soon recover though once Jimmy Carter 2.0 takes office and makes them acquainted with the Misery Index.

[YankeeMary]

Well you can't blame Bush he didn't force you to shop at the dollar store.This is just silly.

Now this is one of the reasons that people fear Obama. Also that nutcase that runs Iran thinks Obama is the greatest. I wonder how much money he contributed to Obama's campaign.
But this video deals with another fear that people have.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah-I1wWw2HA

I am just curious how many Muslims do you know personally???

[Bahet]

It's a terrible thing to see someone suffer from Bush-derangement syndrome. :beamup

They'll soon recover though once Jimmy Carter 2.0 takes office and makes them acquainted with the Misery Index.

Yes, those poor deranged families who only think their family member was killed. In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny "What a maroon."

[DrHolliday]

Yes, those poor deranged families who only think their family member was killed. In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny "What a maroon."

You mean those poor deranged military families who overwhelming voted for McCain and Bush. Why is that?

Maybe because they knew their loved ones were fighting our enemies overseas on account we wouldn't have to see 3000 more Americans murdered on American soil?

[YankeeMary]

You mean those poor deranged military families who overwhelming voted for McCain and Bush. Why is that?

Maybe because they knew their loved ones were fighting our enemies overseas on account we wouldn't have to see 3000 more Americans murdered on American soil?

I can assure you not all military families voted for McCain or Bush (the 2nd time around). I can think of 12 families right now that I know that have their sons over there right now that not only voted but pushed for Obama.

[DrHolliday]

I can assure you not all military families voted for McCain or Bush (the 2nd time around). I can think of 12 families right now that I know that have their sons over there right now that not only voted but pushed for Obama.

I did not use the word "All." I used the words "Overwhelming majority."

There's probably some exit polls on this that I can locate if you need proof.

[Bahet]

Wrong-o. The majority voted for McCain. The majority do not support Bush though. His approval rating with the military is under 40%. They knew their loved one was fighting an enemy we created by invading a country that didn't attack us on a lie and misinformation connecting Iraq to 9/11. They knew their loved one was sent into a war zone often in soft sided Humvees with no kevlar and Bush's cronies basically said "Oh well too bad for you." until the American people heard about it and demanded more. They know that their loved ones are coming home with severe PTSD but are getting no help at all unless they have hit rock bottom - if they are lucky enough to come home at all.

[DrHolliday]

Wrong-o. The majority voted for McCain. The majority do not support Bush though. His approval rating with the military is under 40%. They knew their loved one was fighting an enemy we created by invading a country that didn't attack us on a lie and misinformation connecting Iraq to 9/11. They knew their loved one was sent into a war zone often in soft sided Humvees with no kevlar and Bush's cronies basically said "Oh well too bad for you." until the American people heard about it and demanded more. They know that their loved ones are coming home with severe PTSD but are getting no help at all unless they have hit rock bottom - if they are lucky enough to come home at all.

Wrong-o. Those approval ratings are OVERALL ratings (i.e., they include opinions on Bush over the economy and illegal immigration).

The approval ratings for Bush with the military on Iraq, Afghanistan, and the War on Terror is overwhelmingly high.

[Char]

Geeze... seems a LOT of people fail to remember WHY they have the right to come to a public forum, bash Bush, dog the government, and, talk down to people because of their ideas.

You are free due to the BLOOD of many ! Don't like war ? Who does... but, it bought you these freedoms. My Dad and his 4 brothers were all 5 in WW2... at the same time... that is why you have freedom, and speak english, instead of German or Japanese, it's why you live in a free society, instead of a communist one. Maybe many of you are too young to remember why you are free... and that's a damn shame.

What if Bush had done nothing after 9/11... what would the message to those who want us all DEAD have been ? Maybe "hey, we can do what we want to Americans, they are too afraid to do anything"... "Let's plan many more attacks, and wipe those infadels off the planet". That could have very well been the case. I have lost family members in war... but, I know that freedom is not free. It makes me sick to think my Dad fought in war for those who don't appreciate it. Who don't care or understand the importance of what their sacrifice bought us.

Bush was never perfect, not even close... but, his main concern is that we were safe after 9/11... his wife, daughters and family live here too, so, of course he wanted us safe in the USA... and his showing the world that the USA would not cower down, run and hide from terrorists is what the world needed to see.

[Bahet]

Hmmm, perhaps you should tell the military. They seem to be under the impression that Bush sucks with regards to the war too.


Support for President Bush and his Iraq war policy is nearly as anemic among US military families as it is in the general population, according to a new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll.

The survey finds that almost 60 percent of the military community -- which was defined as active and former service personnel as well as their families -- disapprove of the president's handling of the war. The same percentage of the group disapprove of Bush's overall performance as president. Meanwhile, only 37 percent of the family members approve of Bush. Among civilians polled, the war garnered support from 32 percent of respondents.

Families that include veterans of wars presided over by the president were found to be just as critical of the war in Iraq as other Americans, with a full 60 percent saying the war was not worth the cost.

"Patience with the war, which has now lasted longer than the U.S. involvement in World War II, is wearing thin -- particularly among families who have sent a service member to the conflict," reports the Los Angeles Times' Faye Fiore. "One-quarter say American troops should stay 'as long as it takes to win.' Nearly seven in 10 favor a withdrawal within the coming year or 'right away.'"


Nearly six out of every 10 military families disapprove of Bush's job performance and the way he has run the war, rating him only slightly better than the general population does.

And among those families with soldiers, sailors and Marines who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan, 60% say that the war in Iraq was not worth the cost, the same result as all adults surveyed.

http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/timespoll/la-na-militpoll7dec07,1,6971323.story

Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation in Iraq? Approve 40% (active duty) 46% (reservists) 45.8% (retirees)
http://www.militarycity.com/polls/ This was last year's Military Times poll.

[Bahet]

What if Bush had done nothing after 9/11... what would the message to those who want us all DEAD have been ? Maybe "hey, we can do what we want to Americans, they are too afraid to do anything"... "Let's plan many more attacks, and wipe those infadels off the planet". That could have very well been the case. I have lost family members in war... but, I know that freedom is not free. It makes me sick to think my Dad fought in war for those who don't appreciate it. Who don't care or understand the importance of what their sacrifice bought us.
No one has even remotely suggested that we should have done nothing after 9/11. We should have focused on retaliating against those that attacked us. That was OBL, not Iraq.


Bush was never perfect, not even close... but, his main concern is that we were safe after 9/11... his wife, daughters and family live here too, so, of course he wanted us safe in the USA... and his showing the world that the USA would not cower down, run and hide from terrorists is what the world needed to see.

If Bush's main concern was keeping Americans safe after 9/11 he would have focused on getting OBL instead of letting him go. OBL attacked us and could do it again. Iraq didn't even have the ability to attack Kuwait again let alone get to us on the other end of the globe. Less than 6 months after 9/11 Bush said he didn't care about getting OBL. How is that possibly keeping us safe from him?

[YankeeMary]

Geeze... seems a LOT of people fail to remember WHY they have the right to come to a public forum, bash Bush, dog the government, and, talk down to people because of their ideas.

You are free due to the BLOOD of many ! Don't like war ? Who does... but, it bought you these freedoms. My Dad and his 4 brothers were all 5 in WW2... at the same time... that is why you have freedom, and speak english, instead of German or Japanese, it's why you live in a free society, instead of a communist one. Maybe many of you are too young to remember why you are free... and that's a damn shame.

What if Bush had done nothing after 9/11... what would the message to those who want us all DEAD have been ? Maybe "hey, we can do what we want to Americans, they are too afraid to do anything"... "Let's plan many more attacks, and wipe those infadels off the planet". That could have very well been the case. I have lost family members in war... but, I know that freedom is not free. It makes me sick to think my Dad fought in war for those who don't appreciate it. Who don't care or understand the importance of what their sacrifice bought us.

Bush was never perfect, not even close... but, his main concern is that we were safe after 9/11... his wife, daughters and family live here too, so, of course he wanted us safe in the USA... and his showing the world that the USA would not cower down, run and hide from terrorists is what the world needed to see.

All this is well and good if the war was for our freedom but it isn't! I have a HUGE respect for any parent that has to send their child over there. I have a huge respect and honor for our military men and woman. My heart beams with pride everytime I see a flag flowing in the air or a military personal in uniform walking through a grocery store. Just because I don't like Bush, never ASSUME I do not care about my troops. That is the most ridiculous insinuation I have ever heard. I will not be bullied to approve a war that IMO we shouldn't be in anyways. It is because the love I have for my troops that I want them home!!! And I can assure you, the Presidents wife and daughters were safe. A safety you nor I will ever have. (I think they (all Presidents families deserve this.)

[Char]

No, it wasn't for our freedom, it was for our safety... and oil, and making a point.


That is the most ridiculous insinuation I have ever heard.

Mary, I don't know if you care for Bush or not, I actually didn't read your posts. I didn't assume anything. I was not even referring to you when I wrote my post.

I was just stating how I feel... and how anyone could judge Bush, not having to walk in his shoes. How judgemental people can be... who, when actually faced with his problems, would crumble under the stress.

I see it this way... everyone seems to have their own ideas as to what should have been done, or not done. If anyone is really smart enough to consider all the the retaliations to their actions, ahead of time... being responsibile for 300 million Americans in the USA, should be very, very rich. To have all the answers would pay very well.

[SurferGirl]

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/11/jubilation-on-ship-of-fools.html
America, America, what have you done?
A confederation of dunces and traitors has delivered us unto our enemies. They have dealt this great nation of ours a deadly blow from which we may never recover, and they rejoice over the enormity of the wound. Already the voices of reconciliation and compromise are being raised. We must all come together now so that we can move forward, they say. But move forward to what? To where? What unforeseen furies have you unwittingly unleashed? What cherished American principles and traditions have you willfully abandoned for this nebulous promise of change offered by this charismatic but shadowy charlatan? In one sweeping gesture you have managed to undermine the glorious uniquely American meritocracy and have validated the role of victimization. In one vote you have rewarded our enemies and marginalized our patriots.

To even begin to comprehend the damage you have done just consider for a moment who is pleased by the results of this election.
Abu Yahya al-Libi, Al Qaeda's chief theological enforcer and a top recruiter.
Moamar Kadafi
Hugo Chavez
Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam
Jane Fonda
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Rev. "God Damn America" Wright
Kim Jong Ill
Empowered youth
Empowered Kenyan relatives and heirs
The list of course could go on and on.

[speedygirl]

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/11/jubilation-on-ship-of-fools.html

Good Lord! The only fools I see are the ones who write this garbage.

[Bahet]

No, it wasn't for our freedom, it was for our safety... and oil, and making a point.



Mary, I don't know if you care for Bush or not, I actually didn't read your posts. I didn't assume anything. I was not even referring to you when I wrote my post.

I was just stating how I feel... and how anyone could judge Bush, not having to walk in his shoes. How judgemental people can be... who, when actually faced with his problems, would crumble under the stress.

I see it this way... everyone seems to have their own ideas as to what should have been done, or not done. If anyone is really smart enough to consider all the the retaliations to their actions, ahead of time... being responsibile for 300 million Americans in the USA, should be very, very rich. To have all the answers would pay very well.

I couldn't do the job. That's why I didn't run for office. If you run for public office you had better be able to do the job. If you do the job poorly, expect to be called to task on it. It's the same in every job from french fry guy to doctor to President.

Yes I'm judgemental about Bush. I'm his boss. So are you. He is supposed to be working for us. I don't need to walk in his shoes to judge him. If that's the case then none of these people should be criticising Obama either. No one should have criticized Clinton. If your doctor removes your gall bladder instead of your appendix you shouldn't judge him because you haven't walked in his shoes. That's just silly. It's our job as Americans to stand up and criticize our government when they screw up. The citizens of many countries cannot do that. It is our right and our responsiblility to criticize and praise and comment about the job our elected officials do.

[YNKYH8R]

You spout nonsense that none of us actually believe as if it helps your claim that the people at the patriot post are lunatics?

Where did you learn to debate?

Flying your flag at half mast or upside down is a perfectly valid reponse.

They (and I) believe that this country is heading into tumultous and frightening times ahead.

When we leave the traditions that our nation was founded upon for a feel good, gussied up version of socialism????

That gets a few people upset! About half of the voters in America rejected these ideas.

Many of the ones who didn't reject these ideas are people who want nothing more out of life than to be taken care of.

If this is not an indictment on our nation's failures I don't know what is.
What!?! Not here buddy!

[Anig2u]

Good Lord! The only fools I see are the ones who write this garbage.

If I could thank you many many many times I would...for this one!!! Just pretend I hit the thank you button a hundred times. LOL

[YNKYH8R]

Notice how everybody just let you slide?

Not me.

America was NOT founded on any of those principles.

That is what is really wrong with this country. Some of us realize, that all of our failings aside we live in the greatest nation on earth.

Others can only see how bad we have been and still are.

We have never been and will never be imperialists. Tell me of ONE single situation where we have forced another country to adopt our standards!

You can't. Women didn't have the right to vote and non-whites were often slaves.

NEITHER of these are in debate, though our nation wasn't founded on them either!

This kind of historical revisionism is not only unbecoming it is dishonest.Iraq.

[speedygirl]

If I could thank you many many many times I would...for this one!!! Just pretend I hit the thank you button a hundred times. LOL

You're very welcome. lol.

[DAVESBABYDOLL]

Wrong-o. Those approval ratings are OVERALL ratings (i.e., they include opinions on Bush over the economy and illegal immigration).

The approval ratings for Bush with the military on Iraq, Afghanistan, and the War on Terror is overwhelmingly high.


ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!!!! I will give you a personal insight. My son and five of his "brothers" that I know of voted for Obama. They are ALL active MARINE'S and ALL have served 2+ tours, my son is gearing up for #3. Ages of them 21,21,22,22,22,23. I know they all voted for Obama, because they told me,so this is a FACT.

[ahippiechic]

My BIL also voted for Obama, he's active military. Iraq - 3rd tour.

[IthinkNOT!]

Good Lord! The only fools I see are the ones who write this garbage.
Well theres the ones that read and believe this too....

[candygirl]

ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!!!! I will give you a personal insight. My son and five of his "brothers" that I know of voted for Obama. They are ALL active MARINE'S and ALL have served 2+ tours, my son is gearing up for #3. Ages of them 21,21,22,22,22,23. I know they all voted for Obama, because they told me,so this is a FACT.



Another personal insight,my son is in the Navy and is stationed on a carrier and they are out in deployment ,well many on his ship voted for Obama and when it was announced that Obama won,he said that there was a big jubilant roar all over the ship.:dancing:

[DAVESBABYDOLL]

Another personal insight,my son is in the Navy and is stationed on a carrier and they are out in deployment ,well many on his ship voted for Obama and when it was announced that Obama won,he said that there were a big jubilant roar all over the ship.:dancing:

Some of the posters here would be amazed at just how many military personel voted for Obama. I'll keep your son and his crew mates in my thoughts and prayers.


It cracks me up when a "person" with probably NO military background or family members serving can sit there and say (type) "The military approval rating for Bush is high" the only thing high is the person/people who typed the BS.

[jeanea33]

Bush isn't as bad as we make him out to be? 4000+ families will have one less family member with them this holiday and every holiday forever. Pat Tillman would have been 32 years old today. 100,000+ families will have one less family member with them this holiday season because that person is in Iraq. We needed to attack Afghanistan. We never should have pulled troops from there, ignored OBL, and invaded Iraq instead. Yes, we started that fire and we need to put it out. But no one should have lit that match in the 1st place. We could have been done with Afghanistan by now and it would be OBL who would have been executed.

Bush didn't force anyone to shop at the dollar store. But his failed economic policies cost so much money that many people no longer have a choice.

Dont forget bush couldnt pass anything through without our failing congress. So hummm its not all republicans fault. Remember congress agreed to go to war as well. This isnt a 1 party issues. Thats why it will never be solved. Most just want to point fingers instead of making those truely accountable. I know I spent money under bush. I even refinaced. Not once did bush make me sign or spend anything. Lots of people are in debt because they over extented themselves. They say the average house has 8 credit cards. I know not to get a new credit card /house/car if i cant afford it. Not everyone did that. I am blaming Freddie and Fannie. They took high risks loans. AIG are at fault as well. Up until now the goverment wasnt in charge of those companies. Under clintons watch they allowed welfare to be included as a income in home loans. My opinion is if on welfare , you probably shouldnt be buying a house.

[DAVESBABYDOLL]

Bush isn't as bad as we make him out to be? 4000+ families will have one less family member with them this holiday and every holiday forever. Pat Tillman would have been 32 years old today. 100,000+ families will have one less family member with them this holiday season because that person is in Iraq. We needed to attack Afghanistan. We never should have pulled troops from there, ignored OBL, and invaded Iraq instead. Yes, we started that fire and we need to put it out. But no one should have lit that match in the 1st place. We could have been done with Afghanistan by now and it would be OBL who would have been executed.

Bush didn't force anyone to shop at the dollar store. But his failed economic policies cost so much money that many people no longer have a choice.

Thank you!

Holiday's missed the last two years due to my son's deployment..starting in August was his birthday,my birthday,Thanksgiving,Christmas,New Years,his little sister's birthday and Easter. The next year it was the exact same thing.

This year (right now) he is in Yuma,AZ for "war games". He went to Yuma before his last deployment to Iraq. So hhmm.

And I know, he chose to join, and he serves his country proudly,a country he loves,a country he would die for.............

ok, I just made myself cry

[YankeeMary]

Thank you!

Holiday's missed the last two years due to my son's deployment..starting in August was his birthday,my birthday,Thanksgiving,Christmas,New Years,his little sister's birthday and Easter. The next year it was the exact same thing.

This year (right now) he is in Yuma,AZ for "war games". He went to Yuma before his last deployment to Iraq. So hhmm.

And I know, he chose to join, and he serves his country proudly,a country he loves,a country he would die for.............

ok, I just made myself cry

AWWW... I am sorry!!! I love you!:star:

[candygirl]

Some of the posters here would be amazed at just how many military personel voted for Obama. I'll keep your son and his crew mates in my thoughts and prayers.


It cracks me up when a "person" with probably NO military background or family members serving can sit there and say (type) "The military approval rating for Bush is high" the only thing high is the person/people who typed the BS.


Thanks for your prayers ,I pray often that this war would end and we get our love ones back alive and in one piece.

I agree with you when it comes to the BS that is posted here when it comes to Bush and the military approval rating .

[Bahet]

Thank you!

Holiday's missed the last two years due to my son's deployment..starting in August was his birthday,my birthday,Thanksgiving,Christmas,New Years,his little sister's birthday and Easter. The next year it was the exact same thing.

This year (right now) he is in Yuma,AZ for "war games". He went to Yuma before his last deployment to Iraq. So hhmm.

And I know, he chose to join, and he serves his country proudly,a country he loves,a country he would die for.............

ok, I just made myself cry

:hug

[DAVESBABYDOLL]

:hug


Thank you!

Mary, you KNOW I love you right back!!


I has been a hard 3 1/2 years for us, my son has been deployed the last two years and is now "playing war games", my nephew has been dployed four times, my sisters step son is on his third tour. My nephew is a medic with the airforce but deploy's with the Army to MASH units, he's stateside now. Jordan goes in first before the Army. And step nephew does convoys in the Anbar Province somewhere. All three have been deployed longer then they have been home.

[renaissanceman]

As an Army war veteran, I have to tell you guys....

IMO, the only reason that there are people in the military and their families supporting Obama, is that they are all just absolutely SICK of war.

They think they have a better chance of coming home and being deployed less often under Obama.

I don't blame them! I only had to spend a little over 6 months in Saudi Arabia, and I was REALLY ready to go home.

Missing holidays and being in craphole situations is part of the job though.

Almost EVERY soldier I ever met also supports individual gun rights.

So, well, in a nut shell; there it is.

TOO many of us are willing to concede some of our beliefs if we believe that it will in some way benefit US!

I am sorry, that is where our WHOLE country is going wrong.

ON every single issue we need to think about what is best for our SOCEITY, not just us and our immediate families and neighborhoods.

I personally could NEVER vote for someone who supports gun control and unrestricted abortion.....

No matter HOW much better I might think MY life would be.

Being a good citizen means more than just paying taxes and voting.

[Bahet]

As an Army war veteran, I have to tell you guys....

IMO, the only reason that there are people in the military and their families supporting Obama, is that they are all just absolutely SICK of war.

They think they have a better chance of coming home and being deployed less often under Obama.

I don't blame them! I only had to spend a little over 6 months in Saudi Arabia, and I was REALLY ready to go home.

Missing holidays and being in craphole situations is part of the job though.

Almost EVERY soldier I ever met also supports individual gun rights.

So, well, in a nut shell; there it is.

TOO many of us are willing to concede some of our beliefs if we believe that it will in some way benefit US!

I am sorry, that is where our WHOLE country is going wrong.

ON every single issue we need to think about what is best for our SOCEITY, not just us and our immediate families and neighborhoods.

I personally could NEVER vote for someone who supports gun control and unrestricted abortion.....

No matter HOW much better I might think MY life would be.

Being a good citizen means more than just paying taxes and voting.

Ok, this is getting downright frightening. I keep agreeing with you and you keep agreeing with me. Is that one of the signs of the apocolypse??? :paranoid

The only part of this I don't agree with is that being sick of war is the "only" reason soldiers and their families voted for Obama. I'm sure many did vote for him for that reason. I'm also sure many voted for him for other reasons as well.

Thank you for your service Ren. :)

[renaissanceman]

I find myself frankly surprised that there are ANY military families supporting an Obama administration, for the following reasons.

1. Obama has pledged military reductions, weapons research and development cuts, more "diplomatic" cooperation and conversation before military action, etc. (don't get me wrong, I don't think we should just immediately launch attacks, but ALL of these positions will be taken as signs of weakness by our enemies)

2. Obama seems to actually have faith in the UN! This corrupt group has shown in instance after instance NO interest in actually doing anything to prevent genocide, rape and government abuse. In fact they have all too often been guilty of all of these.

3. Obama IMO, doesn't seem to understand the nature of evil. Dictators and despots aren't evil, they are just misunderstood or poorly informed. He has a similar view to Carter, in that regard.

There are many more reasons, but in a nutshell, IMO Obama will make us a more tempting target in the eyes of our enemies.

Shouldn't a president be FIRST charged with keeping his nation safe?

[YNKYH8R]

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[YNKYH8R]

I find myself frankly surprised that there are ANY military families supporting an Obama administration, for the following reasons.

1. Obama has pledged military reductions, weapons research and development cuts, more "diplomatic" cooperation and conversation before military action, etc. (don't get me wrong, I don't think we should just immediately launch attacks, but ALL of these positions will be taken as signs of weakness by our enemies)

2. Obama seems to actually have faith in the UN! This corrupt group has shown in instance after instance NO interest in actually doing anything to prevent genocide, rape and government abuse. In fact they have all too often been guilty of all of these.

3. Obama IMO, doesn't seem to understand the nature of evil. Dictators and despots aren't evil, they are just misunderstood or poorly informed. He has a similar view to Carter, in that regard.

There are many more reasons, but in a nutshell, IMO Obama will make us a more tempting target in the eyes of our enemies.

Shouldn't a president be FIRST charged with keeping his nation safe?Why? Because you say so..or because if they approached us you would view them as weak? Diplomatic relations is not a sign of weakness.




Yes, but a President is also supposed to try what ever means available in order to prevent further military conflicts.

[freeby4me]

It takes a bigger man to use words.

[YankeeMary]

Why must everything be focused on fear? Why is fear so important? The President has other things besides building a badass military. I am not saying we shouldn't worry about "terrorist" and etc but I don't think it should be what we focus on.

[ElleGee]

Why must everything be focused on fear? Why is fear so important? The President has other things besides building a badass military. I am not saying we shouldn't worry about "terrorist" and etc but I don't think it should be what we focus on.

People fear what they don't know or what they think they know..



Are you nervous about our future?

Nope.

[YankeeMary]

People fear what they don't know or what they think they know..




Nope.

I agree but so much is focused on that when there is so many other issues that need attention at this point.

[Bahet]

We voted for McCain. Part of it was for the military reasons Ren listed. Part of it was for economic reasons. McCain was more likely to keep the DoD well funded. If the economy goes to heck in a handbasket DH could always find something as a DoD civillian contractor. We very nearly went to Italy this month. Then the military decided they only wanted people with a top secret clearance. We are still looking at the same job in Rota, Spain and Souda Bay, Greece for this Spring. It would be nice to have some job security without DH having to drive 84 miles/day.

[renaissanceman]

Why? Because you say so..or because if they approached us you would view them as weak? Diplomatic relations is not a sign of weakness.




Yes, but a President is also supposed to try what ever means available in order to prevent further military conflicts.

I can't recall if you have any military experience or not. Nor do I know how big a history buff you are.

In MY personal experience countries are no different or better than your average person or soldier. (Not surprising seeing as how they ARE comprised of NORMAL people.) I know that EVERY person that I have ever faced in any kind of fight considered talk before battle weakness. (Like you were only talking because you feared the thought of engaging them.)

History also tends to support my statements. One look at the timeline of the Iranian hostage situation should give us an indication of which was more influential, "diplomacy or fear".

https://www.pon.harvard.edu/hnp/iran/timeline.shtml

Carter could have promised the Shah ANYTHING, and the Shah would have been laughing at him all the while.

EVERYONE knew what Reagans response would be. THAT is why they released our people.

The liberal view on diplomacy makes a rather dangerous assumption.

In that it acts (all evidence to the country, not withstanding) as if all nations are going to be good faith actors.

SO, your question "Why? Because you say so..or because if they approached us you would view them as weak?" seems to display a level of naivete, that you are of course free to have and espouse.

That same naivete in international dealings will cripple us.

The single BEST way to keep the peace, is to be so strong that our enemies wish to negotiate with US. IF they know that an attack on us is basically a suicidal act, they will not be encouraged to do it so often.