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peaceangle
10-31-2008, 09:51 AM
I received this as a forwarded e-mail, it really makes a lot of sense!

It's long, but very important to read and is true!

THIS LETTER MAKES MORE SENSE THAN ANYTHING I
HAVE SEEN, HEARD, OR READ, CONCERNING THE UPCOMING
ELECTION...

IT'S A LETTER FROM
A U.S. CITIZEN... WHO LIVES IN ILLINOIS... AND
OBVIOUSLY IS A "SELF-THINKER"... NOT JUST A
"FOLLOWER"!!!

IF YOU ONLY READ ONE THING, REGARDING
THIS ELECTION... LET THIS BE THE ONE THING!! AFTER
READING IT, YOU WILL
PROBABLY WANT TO FORWARD IT TO OTHER AMERICANS WHO
ARE "SELF THINKERS"!!

An impassioned letter from a "nobody". But he
gives his telephone number at the end.

Subject: FW: A letter from Illinois

Dear Friends:
My name is Joe Porter. I live in Champaign, Illinois. I'm 46 years old, a born-again Christian, a husband, a father, a small business owner, a veteran, and a homeowner. I don't consider myself to
be either conservative or liberal, and I vote for the person, not
Republican or Democrat. I don't believe there are "two Americas " but that
every person in this country can be whomever and whatever they
want to be if they'll just
work to get there and nowhere else on earth can they find such
opportunities. I believe our government should help those who are
legitimately downtrodden,
and should always put the interests of America first.

The purpose of this
message is that I'm concerned about the future of this great
nation. I'm worried that the silent majority of honest,
hard-working, tax- paying people in
this country have been passive for too long. Most
folks I know choose not to
involve themselves in politics. They go about their
daily lives, paying their
bills, raising their kids, and doing what they can to maintain the
good life. They vote and consider doing so to be a
sacred trust. They shake their heads at the political pundits and so-called
"news", thinking that what they
hear is always spun by whomever is reporting it.
They can't understand how
elected officials can regularly violate the public
trust with pork barrel spending. They don't want government handouts.
They want the government
to protect them, not raise their taxes for more government programs.
We are in the unique position in = this country of
electing our leaders. It's a privilege to do so. I've never found a
candidate in any election with whom I agreed on everything. I'll wager that most of us don't even agree with our
families or spouses 100% of the time. So when I step into that
voting booth, I always try to look at the big picture and cast my
vote for the man or woman who is best qualified for the job. I've hired a
lot of people in my lifetime, and essentially that's what an election is - a hiring process. Who has the
credentials? Whom do I want working for me? Whom
can I trust to do the job right?

I'm concerned that a growing number of voters in this country
simply don't get it. They are caught up in a fervor they can't explain, and
calling it "change".
"Change what?", I ask.
"Well, we're going to change America", they say.
"In what way?", I query.
"We want someone new and fresh in the White House", they exclaim.
"So, someone who's not a politician?", I say.
"Uh, well, no, we just want a lot of stuff changed, so we're voting for Obama", they state.

"So the current system, the system of freedom and democracy that
has enabled a man to grow up
in this great country, get a fine education, raise incredible amounts of money
and dominate the news, and win his party's nomination for the White
House that system's all wrong?"

"No, no, that part of the system's okay we just need a lot of change."
And so it goes. "Change we can believe in."
Quite frankly, I don't believe that vague proclamations of
change hold any promise for me. In recent months, I've been asking virtually
everyone I encounter how they're voting. I live in Illinois, so most folks tell me
they're voting for Barack Obama. But no one can really tell me why only that
he's going to change a lot of stuff "Change, change, change." I have
yet to find one single person who can tell me distinctly and convincingly why this man is qualified to be
President and Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful nation on earth
other than the fact that he claims he's going to implement a lot of change. We've all seen the emails about Obama's genealogy, his upbringing, his Muslim background, and his church affiliations. Let's ignore this for a moment. Put it all aside. Then ask yourself, "What qualifies this man to be my president? That he's a brilliant orator and talks about change?"

CHANGE WHAT?
Friends, I'll be forthright with you I believe the
American voters who are supporting Barack Obama don't have a clue
what they're doing, as evidenced by the fact that not one of them - NOT ONE of them I've spoken to can spell out his qualifications. Not even the most
liberal media can explain why he should be elected. Political experience?
Negligible. Foreign relations? Non-existent. Achievements? Name one. Someone who wants to unite the country? If you haven't read his wife's
thesis from Princeton, look it up on the web. This is who's lining up to be
our next First Lady? The only thing I can glean from Obama's constant harping about change is that we're in for a lot of new taxes.
For me, the choice is clear. I've looked carefully at the two leading
applicants for the job, and I've made my choice.

Here's a question - "Where were you five and a half years ago? Around Christmas, 2002. You've had five or six birthdays in that time. My son has grown from a sixth grade child to a high school graduate. Five and a half years is a good chunk of time. About 2,000 days. 2,000 nights of sleep. 6,000 meals, give or take."
John McCain spent that amount of time, from 1967 to 1973, in a
North Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camp.

When offered early release, he refused it. He considered this offer to be a public relations stunt by his captors, and insisted that those held longer than he should be released first. Did you get that part? He was offered his freedom, and he turned it down. A regimen of beatings and torture began.

Do you possess such strength of character? Locked in a filthy cell in a
foreign country, would you turn down your own freedom in favor of your fellow man? I submit that's a quality of character that is rarely found, and for me, this singular act defines John McCain.

Unlike several presidential candidates in recent years whose military service is questionable or non-existent, you will not find
anyone to denigrate the integrity and moral courage of this man. A
graduate of Annapolis, during his Naval service he received the
Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. His own
son is now serving in the Marine Corps in Iraq . Barack Obama is fond of
saying "We honor John McCain's service...BUT...", which to me is condescending and offensive - because what I hear is, "Let's forget this man's
sacrifice for his country, and his proven leadership abilities, and talk some more about change."
I don't agree with John McCain on everything - but I am
utterly convinced that he is qualified to be our next President, and I trust him
to do what's right. I know in my heart that he has the best interests
of our country in mind. He doesn't simply want to be President -
he wants to lead America, and there's a huge difference. Factually,
there is simply no comparison between the two candidates. A man of questionable background and motives who prattles on about change, can't hold a candle to a man who has devoted his life in public service to this nation, retiring from the Navy in 1981 and elected to the Senate in 1982.

Perhaps Obama's supporters are taking a
stance between old andnew. Maybe they don't care about McCain's
service or his strength of character, or his unblemished qualifications to be
President. Maybe "like ability" is a higher priority for them than "trust". Being a prisoner of war is not what qualifies John McCain to be
President of the United States of America - but his demonstrated
leadership certainly DOES.

Dear friends, it is time for us to stand. It is time for thinking
Americans to say, "Enough." It is time for people of all parties to stop following the party line. It is time for anyone who wants to keep America first, who wants the right man leading their nation, to start a dialogue with all
their friends and neighbors and ask who they're voting for, and why.
There's a lot of evil in this world. That should be readily apparent to all of us
by now. And when faced with that evil as we are now, I want a man
who knows the cost of war on his troops and on his citizens. I want a man who puts my family's interests before any foreign country.
I want a President who's qualified to lead.
I want my country back, and I'm
voting for John McCain.
Phone: 760.434.1395
E-mail: [email protected]

SurferGirl
10-31-2008, 11:53 AM
That was so great, I'm making a copy of it right now and probably will also send it out as an email to everyone I know.

janelle
10-31-2008, 12:42 PM
And after you watch his half hour infomercial you still don't know what he will change exactly, just that he will change it.

This country has been good to most of us and the experts say what he is saying is socialism. Well socialism isn't new. It's just new to this country. It has been tried in other countries and we know what happened to them.

He will spread the wealth around and that will include to the illegals. He is in favor of giving them all drivers licences. That is a reward for breaking the law. And it goes on and on.

Anig2u
10-31-2008, 02:24 PM
That was very enlightening.

whatever
10-31-2008, 03:47 PM
This is EXACTLY what i'm talking about. This man has NO real experience. HIS own group can NOT say what he has done. He really does NOT have a plan that he has laid out. Even his advisors have said MOST of what he "wants" to do won't even work!!!
He is full of BS..........but he can talk a good game so give him a vote.

peaceangle
11-01-2008, 08:45 AM
I just hope enought people actually read things like this, check out his record, ect....and really think before they vote!!!

When I was reading it, and it asked "change what" I thought, maybe socialism, maybe worse!!!

YNKYH8R
11-01-2008, 08:52 AM
I edited this to say this.....

I read what this 'person' wrote. Change means something different to everyone. Trying asking a Christian to describe their faith then replace that word faith with change.

Is McCain experienced? Yes..no doubt. But in what?

Is a 'lack of experince' better than the kind of experience that McCain has?

If you can say the last 8 years have not been 'that bad' then vote McCain.

peaceangle
11-01-2008, 09:29 AM
McCain is NOT Bush, I know they are trying to get us all to believe that, but it won't be the same man. Perhaps some beliefs will be the same, like America is #1 and doesn't need to be changed to become #1. I said I don't agree with everything, but reading the letter does make you think. Can anyone tell me what change Obama is going to propose that is going to make America better, stronger? What is his "change"? I am not saying that McCain is the answer, but I am saying that Obama is NOT the answer! Take a close, hard look, I guess it just depends what America means to you, if you are willing to risk it or not?

YNKYH8R
11-01-2008, 09:34 AM
McCain is NOT Bush, I know they are trying to get us all to believe that, but it won't be the same man. Perhaps some beliefs will be the same, like America is #1 and doesn't need to be changed to become #1. I said I don't agree with everything, but reading the letter does make you think. Can anyone tell me what change Obama is going to propose that is going to make America better, stronger? What is his "change"? I am not saying that McCain is the answer, but I am saying that Obama is NOT the answer! Take a close, hard look, I guess it just depends what America means to you, if you are willing to risk it or not?So basically neither of them is the answer. We were #1 now we're not. Look at our health care and educaiton alone makes us not #1.

dangerousfem
11-01-2008, 12:22 PM
So basically neither of them is the answer. We were #1 now we're not. Look at our health care and educaiton alone makes us not #1.

Really?? I could be wrong.. but I think this is the only country that if you are hurt or sick you can walk into a public hospital and get treated.. insurance.. no insurance.. money..no money. Try that in other countries. Do we have the best system? No.. do we have better than most others? Yes

YNKYH8R
11-01-2008, 12:40 PM
Really?? I could be wrong.. but I think this is the only country that if you are hurt or sick you can walk into a public hospital and get treated.. insurance.. no insurance.. money..no money. Try that in other countries. Do we have the best system? No.. do we have better than most others? YesYou've made your point. I can see.

whatever
11-01-2008, 01:37 PM
McCain is NOT Bush, I know they are trying to get us all to believe that, but it won't be the same man. Perhaps some beliefs will be the same, like America is #1 and doesn't need to be changed to become #1. I said I don't agree with everything, but reading the letter does make you think. Can anyone tell me what change Obama is going to propose that is going to make America better, stronger? What is his "change"? I am not saying that McCain is the answer, but I am saying that Obama is NOT the answer! Take a close, hard look, I guess it just depends what America means to you, if you are willing to risk it or not?
This is what I have been trying to explain to people. ITs what Obama HAS beat into peoples heads. ANd as followers, THEY believe him. Just because he is up there in age and is a rep. does NOT make him the same man!

Really?? I could be wrong.. but I think this is the only country that if you are hurt or sick you can walk into a public hospital and get treated.. insurance.. no insurance.. money..no money. Try that in other countries. Do we have the best system? No.. do we have better than most others? Yes
:clapping
could NOT have said it better myself.

hblueeyes
11-01-2008, 01:51 PM
One of my sons has yet decided on with whom to cast his presidental vote for. He participates in many discussions both on and off line regarding debate on who would be the better choice. While discussing some things with me it came out is a debate he had that John McCain graduated in the bottom 4 or 5 of his class. I asked him if he knew why and proceeded to tell him. McCain was lucky they allowed him to graduate at all since he was facing expulsion because he is somewhat of a rebel. A rowdy one at that. It had nothing to do with book knowledge or ability ( or lack of) to implement what he had learned from books, lecture etc., into implementation. Some people are book smart. Others are good at implenetation. Few are good at both. But John McCain has a unique ability beyond what he had already won medals for. He had the ability to keep the spirits of fellow prisoners and himself up to endure that of being a POW. He chose to stay and endure the torment that is shadowed by his not so obvious wounds. This is a rare commodity among men and that is why he deserves to be the leader. He can lead men even while guards and walls separate them. He is rare indeed.

Me

YNKYH8R
11-01-2008, 01:58 PM
One of my sons has yet decided on with whom to cast his presidental vote for. He participates in many discussions both on and off line regarding debate on who would be the better choice. While discussing some things with me it came out is a debate he had that John McCain graduated in the bottom 4 or 5 of his class. I asked him if he knew why and proceeded to tell him. McCain was lucky they allowed him to graduate at all since he was facing expulsion because he is somewhat of a rebel. A rowdy one at that. It had nothing to do with book knowledge or ability ( or lack of) to implement what he had learned from books, lecture etc., into implementation. Some people are book smart. Others are good at implenetation. Few are good at both. But John McCain has a unique ability beyond what he had already won medals for. He had the ability to keep the spirits of fellow prisoners and himself up to endure that of being a POW. He chose to stay and endure the torment that is shadowed by his not so obvious wounds. This is a rare commodity among men and that is why he deserves to be the leader. He can lead men even while guards and walls separate them. He is rare indeed.

MeVery nice post. Although some people are just not buying what he's selling. It's what he represents that I can't jump in line with.

Obama (for some) equals hope, something bigger than the individual, togetherness, pride, goals and dreams.

McCain does not. Some people see it as "he's a republican we've done this for 8 years let's move on."

He tries hard to seperate himself from Bush; no one tries to seperate themsleves from Clinton.

Am I making any sense?

janelle
11-01-2008, 11:42 PM
Even Hillary tried to separate herself from Clinton. He didn't campaign much for her. So I do think lots of candidates did try to separate themselves from him.

Time has passed and the scandals Clinton was embroiled in is fading some but people still do not have him out front yet. Probably good thing for Obama.

YNKYH8R
11-02-2008, 05:57 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a7jkcMVp5Vg/SQzx9LuWYqI/AAAAAAAAHPg/5j3BSEmJFT4/s400/ifyouarecleverenoughtofindthismessage.youaresmarte noughtovote.jpg

SurferGirl
11-02-2008, 08:34 AM
I feel that we are at a very sad time in history. We have a possibility of electing a president that has a record of breaking his word. For one example take the campaign financing. Now he can outspend McCain because Obama went back on his word. Anyone would be a fool to think he will keep any of his promises made during this campaign.

We have a possibility of watching as one of our basic rights is being defiled.
I'm sure how you have heard about ACORN and then the secretary of state in Ohio fighting to let these illegal votes count.

We have a possibility of electing someone that has strong ties to people who HATE our country when we really should be all voting for the one candidate who has proven how much he LOVES our country.

I could go on and on but we have all read much of it in the past several months. I really breaks my heart to see this happening to a country that I love.

YNKYH8R
11-02-2008, 09:52 AM
I feel that we are at a very sad time in history. We have a possibility of electing a president that has a record of breaking his word. For one example take the campaign financing. Now he can outspend McCain because Obama went back on his word. Anyone would be a fool to think he will keep any of his promises made during this campaign.

We have a possibility of watching as one of our basic rights is being defiled.
I'm sure how you have heard about ACORN and then the secretary of state in Ohio fighting to let these illegal votes count.

We have a possibility of electing someone that has strong ties to people who HATE our country when we really should be all voting for the one candidate who has proven how much he LOVES our country.

I could go on and on but we have all read much of it in the past several months. I really breaks my heart to see this happening to a country that I love.Very heart felt. Except that the post secret didn't mention Obama..we could be looking at history through the election of the first femal vice president.

Also...since you feel so strongly...go vote.

SurferGirl
11-02-2008, 10:31 AM
I already voted for McCain and Palin.
They are the team that is best for our country and stand for the good values our country still has. I can't wait until they get into Washington.

YNKYH8R
11-02-2008, 01:47 PM
I already voted for McCain and Palin.
They are the team that is best for our country and stand for the good values our country still has. I can't wait until they get into Washington.And if they lose?

peaceangle
11-02-2008, 05:01 PM
if they lose....I hope Obama doesn't win. It could be a history making election, yes, making our country history!

YNKYH8R
11-02-2008, 05:41 PM
if they lose....I hope Obama doesn't win. It could be a history making election, yes, making our country history!You know I always wanted to ask. What angle do you want peace at? 45 degrees? 90? How about a 180? So....if you have a 180 degree peace angle...is that war?

candygirl
11-02-2008, 05:52 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a7jkcMVp5Vg/SQzx9LuWYqI/AAAAAAAAHPg/5j3BSEmJFT4/s400/ifyouarecleverenoughtofindthismessage.youaresmarte noughtovote.jpg

This is how I felt yesterday,when I went to vote:dancing:

peaceangle
11-02-2008, 07:00 PM
You know I always wanted to ask. What angle do you want peace at? 45 degrees? 90? How about a 180? So....if you have a 180 degree peace angle...is that war?


ouch....you're not being very nice!
Actually if you must know, when I signed up many years ago, it was a typo, and I submitted before I realized it. It was suppose to be angel not angle. See I have the privilege of being apart of people's lives when they are dying. I am let into their lives to make the most of the time they have left and it is a very special privilege I am given by people and their families. Being with somewhen they are dying and die, being with the families, it's a special time. Sometimes the end is a very eye opening experience, angels do come in many forms. I have seen many people die, have been with them to the end, and the most peaceful deaths are those where the people know God and where they going once they pass.

ahippiechic
11-02-2008, 07:06 PM
I don't think he's being mean, he was just playing. He's warped like that.

atprm
11-02-2008, 07:12 PM
oops wrong thread.

Anig2u
11-02-2008, 07:19 PM
ouch....you're not being very nice!
Actually if you must know, when I signed up many years ago, it was a typo, and I submitted before I realized it. It was suppose to be angel not angle. See I have the privilege of being apart of people's lives when they are dying. I am let into their lives to make the most of the time they have left and it is a very special privilege I am given by people and their families. Being with somewhen they are dying and die, being with the families, it's a special time. Sometimes the end is a very eye opening experience, angels do come in many forms. I have seen many people die, have been with them to the end, and the most peaceful deaths are those where the people know God and where they going once they pass.

I agree that is just his warped sense of humor, he don't mean no harm.

That is very giving what you do for people. Not too many people have it in them to do what you do. You are a very special person. I think you could have your name fixed by a MOD if you asked. :)

Anig2u
11-02-2008, 07:20 PM
oops wrong thread.

You dummmmbbbbassssssss LOL:rolling

YNKYH8R
11-02-2008, 07:23 PM
ouch....you're not being very nice!
Actually if you must know, when I signed up many years ago, it was a typo, and I submitted before I realized it. It was suppose to be angel not angle. See I have the privilege of being apart of people's lives when they are dying. I am let into their lives to make the most of the time they have left and it is a very special privilege I am given by people and their families. Being with somewhen they are dying and die, being with the families, it's a special time. Sometimes the end is a very eye opening experience, angels do come in many forms. I have seen many people die, have been with them to the end, and the most peaceful deaths are those where the people know God and where they going once they pass.
Yeah nothing personal.....I'm so bad when the Devil dies he's sent to me. LOL!

YNKYH8R
11-02-2008, 07:32 PM
ouch....you're not being very nice!
Actually if you must know, when I signed up many years ago, it was a typo, and I submitted before I realized it. It was suppose to be angel not angle. See I have the privilege of being apart of people's lives when they are dying. I am let into their lives to make the most of the time they have left and it is a very special privilege I am given by people and their families. Being with somewhen they are dying and die, being with the families, it's a special time. Sometimes the end is a very eye opening experience, angels do come in many forms. I have seen many people die, have been with them to the end, and the most peaceful deaths are those where the people know God and where they going once they pass.So is this hospice work?

YNKYH8R
11-02-2008, 07:32 PM
You dummmmbbbbassssssss LOL:rollingI wish I knew what she was trying to say.

Anig2u
11-02-2008, 07:34 PM
I wish I knew what she was trying to say.

What she said is here...LOL

http://www.bigbigforums.com/news-information/602408-michelle-obamas-thesis.html

peaceangle
11-02-2008, 07:41 PM
So is this hospice work?

yes, I've been a hospice nurse for many years....I love my work and it is a real Privilege!