Joe The Plumber: Obama Tax Plan 'Infuriates Me'

[DrHolliday]

GO JOE GO! GO JOE GO! GO JOE GO! :rock:




October 16, 2008 2:46 AM

ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports:

John McCain may have found a blue-collar face to help him argue that no American -- not even the richest 5 percent -- should pay higher taxes.

"Joe The Plumber" has weighed in on Wednesday's presidential debate and he says that Barack Obama's tax plan "infuriates me."

"To be honest with you, that infuriates me," plumber Joe Wurzelbacher told Nightline's Terry Moran. "It's not right for someone to decide you made too much---that you've done too good and now we're going to take some of it back."

"That's just completely wrong," he added.

Wurzelbacher, who says no one from the McCain campaign got in touch with him before Wednesday, was a centerpiece of the third and final presidential debate.

The plumber's brush with fame began on Sunday when he confronted Barack Obama outside of Toledo, Ohio. Wurzelbacher challenged the Democratic candidate on his plan to raise taxes on the top five percent of earners -- a policy which would, by the Obama campaign's own estimation, mean higher taxes for 184,000 small businesses.

"I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year," Wurzelbacher told Obama. "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?"

Under Obama's plan, individuals making more than $200,000 per year, or couples making more than $250,000 per year, would pay higher taxes on income, capital gains, and dividends. Starting ten years from now, Obama supports an additional 2-4 percent tax on individual income above $250,000 per year to help shore up the Social Security system.

To evaluate how Wurzelbacher and his wife would fare under Obama, one would need to know his wife's income (if any) plus what the plumber meant when he told Obama that the company he is getting ready to buy "makes" $250,000 - $280,000 per year.

Was Wurzelbacher referring to gross revenue or net profits?

Obama's higher taxes on small businesses would be leveled against those whose net profits exceed $250,000 per year, according to Obama's campaign.

While at least 184,000 small businesses would face higher taxes under Obama, the Illinois Democrat is also proposing a series of tax credits that could aid small businesses.

Obama has proposed a $3,000 tax credit for every new job that companies create in the United States over the next two years, a small business health tax credit on up to 50 percent of employee premiums paid by employers, and elimination of capital gains taxes on investments in small and start-up businesses.

Regardless of how Wurzelbacher would personally fare under the candidates' plans, he suggested to ABC News' Nightline that he is against all forms of progressive taxation.

During his telephone interview with ABC News, the Ohio plumber argued that the government should not tax some more than others and argued that this principle should extend not only to Americans at his income-level but also to the world's richest man.

"I don't like it," said Wurzelbacher. "You know, me or -- you know, Bill Gates, I don't care who you are. If you worked for it, if it was your idea, and you implemented it, it's not right for someone to decide you made too much."

[DrHolliday]

Oooops. Forgot the link. :doh


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/joe-the-plumber.html

[SurferGirl]

If Obama gets in and has people like Harry Reid in the senate and that Nancy Pelosi in the house they will totally destroy our whole economic system.
There will be no incentive to work hard all your life.

Obana, Reid, Pelosi and so many others probably get so many kickbacks under the table that isn't taxable they won't be paying higher taxes. People that work hard don't want to pay any more money to people that don't work hard. We all know that most successful business owners work at least 10 or 12 hour days and it takes years to build a successful business. We also know that many of these businesses already pay more taxes than the average person and they employ lots of people. Hurt the small business and you destroy our economy.

[LuvBigRip]

Socialism at it's worst. Why should those who work the hardest have to "spread the wealth" with those who don't? At it's very core that idea goes against what America was built on. Work hard, achieve your dreams.

[pepperpot]

If Obama gets in and has people like Harry Reid in the senate and that Nancy Pelosi in the house they will totally destroy our whole economic system.
There will be no incentive to work hard all your life.

Obana, Reid, Pelosi and so many others probably get so many kickbacks under the table that isn't taxable they won't be paying higher taxes. People that work hard don't want to pay any more money to people that don't work hard. We all know that most successful business owners work at least 10 or 12 hour days and it takes years to build a successful business. We also know that many of these businesses already pay more taxes than the average person and they employ lots of people. Hurt the small business and you destroy our economy.

Not only that but to be a business owner, one must invest their funds, not just their elbow grease and brains...........also, most businesses usually fail (I believe usually within the first to three years)............is he willing to compensate for the "failings" or just "punish" the successful?

Why would anyone invest their own funds and efforts against the odds of succeeding only to be punished if they beat the odds and do succeed? :doh:

It's a counter productive plan leading to more lazy asses looking for handouts and 'entitlements'......:paranoid:

[LunaChick]

Socialism at it's worst. Why should those who work the hardest have to "spread the wealth" with those who don't? At it's very core that idea goes against what America was built on. Work hard, achieve your dreams.

My husband and I were discussing this very thing just this morning. Where is the incentive to achieve the "American dream"? Does he think he's the modern day Robin Hood? If corporations are going to be taxed to death then they will probably move their business elsewhere; meaning out of the USA.

[janelle]

Joe, the plumber is going to appear on many talk shows in the next few weeks. Let's hope he gets the word out what this is all about. And you know it won't affect those up there on the hill one little bit. Their money will be sheltered.

[DrHolliday]

If Obama gets in and has people like Harry Reid in the senate and that Nancy Pelosi in the house they will totally destroy our whole economic system.
There will be no incentive to work hard all your life.


I totally agree. I wish McCain would have brought up Obama's two amigos.

[LuvBigRip]

Biden questions 'notion of this guy Joe the plumber'
Posted: 01:15 PM ET

From CNN Associate Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand


Joe Biden says he doesn't know any plumbers that make $250K.
(CNN) — Joe Biden sounded skeptical of “Joe the Plumber” Wurzelbacher’s working-class credentials Thursday.

“You notice John [McCain] continues to cling to the notion of this guy Joe the plumber,” Biden said on NBC’s Today show. “I don't have any Joe the plumbers in my neighborhood that make $250,000 a year that are worried.”

Watch: 'Joe the plumber' on debate

“The Joe the plumbers in my neighborhood, the Joe the cops in my neighborhood, the Joe the grocery store owners in my neighborhood — they make, like 98 percent of the small businesses, less than $250,000 a year,” said the Democratic VP nominee. “And they’re going to do very well under us, and they’re going to be in real tough shape under John McCain.”

McCain cited Wurzelbacher, who questioned Obama about his tax plan during a recent Ohio campaign swing, as someone would face higher taxes under the Democrat’s economic proposals.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the mean annual wage for plumbers, pipefitters and steamfitters in the United States in 2007 was $47,350.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

He is talking about a "salary" not a business owner. Biden is an idiot.

[anothersta]

Maybe we could take Joe B. down to Katie's restaraunt and explain that to him?

did you see the MSM interviewing him? Looked more like an attack to me. That's what they do to anyone who disagrees with their cause. Attack

a year ago, rich was defined by BHO as over a million a year. Now, it's dropped to 250K. What do you think it will drop to if he's elected???

[janelle]

A plumber who owns the business can make that much. How out of touch can they be. And you notice they are aghast Jo can make that much. Well, they will make sure he doesn't if they get in.

[janelle]

Maybe we could take Joe B. down to Katie's restaraunt and explain that to him?

did you see the MSM interviewing him? Looked more like an attack to me. That's what they do to anyone who disagrees with their cause. Attack

a year ago, rich was defined by BHO as over a million a year. Now, it's dropped to 250K. What do you think it will drop to if he's elected???

That restaurant---the one Biden goes to all the time when he is home like he said---went out of business 20 years ago and is no longer there. People who live round there knew that. Why do these politicians think people are so dumb not to have noticed.

[speedygirl]

if anyone won in the debate, it's Joe the plumber. He got enough free press to drum up business for quite sometime.
Just saw on the news that Joe's being investigated by his county because he doesn't have a plumbing license. He supposedly didn't realize he needed that where he lives.
Another thing is that $250K and over tax is to be paid on PROFIT. The business could be grossing over a million dollars but be left netting under $250K after business expenses, paying employees.

[jbbarn]

Biden questions 'notion of this guy Joe the plumber'
Posted: 01:15 PM ET

From CNN Associate Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand


Joe Biden says he doesn't know any plumbers that make $250K.
(CNN) — Joe Biden sounded skeptical of “Joe the Plumber” Wurzelbacher’s working-class credentials Thursday.

“You notice John [McCain] continues to cling to the notion of this guy Joe the plumber,” Biden said on NBC’s Today show. “I don't have any Joe the plumbers in my neighborhood that make $250,000 a year that are worried.”

Watch: 'Joe the plumber' on debate

“The Joe the plumbers in my neighborhood, the Joe the cops in my neighborhood, the Joe the grocery store owners in my neighborhood — they make, like 98 percent of the small businesses, less than $250,000 a year,” said the Democratic VP nominee. “And they’re going to do very well under us, and they’re going to be in real tough shape under John McCain.”

McCain cited Wurzelbacher, who questioned Obama about his tax plan during a recent Ohio campaign swing, as someone would face higher taxes under the Democrat’s economic proposals.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the mean annual wage for plumbers, pipefitters and steamfitters in the United States in 2007 was $47,350.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

He is talking about a "salary" not a business owner. Biden is an idiot.




Unreal! Attack the guy for being a conscientious, informed citizen!!!
It must really pi$$ Biden off that Joe the P. is a Democrat! I knew there were still some honest Dems out there!
I hope people can see how hate-filled Joe Biden really is! He makes my skin crawl! Osama couldn't have picked a better partner for his freak show!

[LunaChick]

A plumber who owns the business can make that much. How out of touch can they be. And you notice they are aghast Jo can make that much. Well, they will make sure he doesn't if they get in.

I know a plumber that owns his own business on the west coast and he makes very good money.

[cSoReNSoN]

if anyone won in the debate, it's Joe the plumber. He got enough free press to drum up business for quite sometime.
Just saw on the news that Joe's being investigated by his county because he doesn't have a plumbing license. He supposedly didn't realize he needed that where he lives.
Another thing is that $250K and over tax is to be paid on PROFIT. The business could be grossing over a million dollars but be left netting under $250K after business expenses, paying employees.

Yes, he nor his employer obtained a plumbing license. One of the local Detroit news affiliates showed Plumber Joe's home along with his employer's house, where he runs his business out of. I have a feeling Plumber Joe and his employer knew a license was needed, but chose not to obtain it.

http://freep.com/article/20081016/NEWS07/81016056

I'm trying to find the link that mentioned his income was $41,000 and delinquent in property taxes, which resulted in a lien on his home. haha Nobody's safe.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcb_election2008/20081016/wl_mcb_election2008/mccaindidjoetheplumbernofavors

[anothersta]

The star of the final Presidential debate Wednesday night was not Barack Obama or John McCain. It was Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher from Ohio. Joe the Plumber came to the attention of the candidates when a video of him questioning Obama about his tax policy made news. Video of Obama’s response that when you “spread the wealth around” it’s good for everybody, spread like wildfire across the internet, to some cable news shows, and to John McCain’s attention. Since Joe was a big focus of the debate, and a big hit with Republicans, the Obama thugocracy (as tagged by Michael Barone) wasted no time targeting him.

Some liberal bloggers went after Joe the Plumber saying he didn’t even make $250,000 and that he would receive a tax cut under Barack Obama’s plan, supposedly proving “Joe the Plumber” was a Republican lie. Here is what Joe said in the exchange with Obama: “I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes about 250, 270-80 thousand dollars a year. Your new tax plan is going to tax me more isn’t it?” So much for the Republican lie. Joe told Obama that he was planning on buying a company, which he hoped would put him in that $250,000 or more income range in the future, which prompted Obama’s response about spreading the wealth around. By choosing that line of attack, those on the left proved what many of us on the right already believed – that they don’t “get” the basic concept of the American dream.

The American “dream” is about aspiring to improve your lot – to take advantage of the freedoms this country affords those who are willing to work hard, invest time and energy and often to take risks, to achieve success. In the response of liberals trying to blunt the effect of Obama’s spread the wealth comment they revealed their inability to understand that basic concept. Obama did the same in the full response he gave to Joe’s question. Obama stressed over and over again not what his tax plan would do to those who have begun to experience the success of the American dream, but only what it would do for those behind them. The idea that increasing taxes on the rich could negatively impact the not yet rich is a completely foreign notion.

In addition to those who tried to make hay out of the fact that Joe doesn’t yet make $250,000 (which they would have known if they had actually listened to his question), the Obama thugocracy went after him any other way they could. First they questioned Joe’s political affiliation, some saying he had given to Republicans in the past and others saying he was not registered to vote at all. Then they moved to his personal financial and legal records – first digging up a tax lien against him, then pointing out that he didn’t have a specific license (something required for commercial work, not residential).

Joe “not the plumber” Biden, evidently listening to the talking points and not to Joe the Plumber’s question, thought that Joe the Plumber made $250,000 and therefore wasn’t really a “real” plumber at all. On NBC’s Today show Biden said, “John [McCain] wants to cling to the notion of this guy Joe the plumber. I don’t have any Joe the plumbers in my neighborhood that make $250,000 a year. The Joe the plumbers in my neighborhood, the Joe the cops in my neighborhood, the Joe the grocery store owners in my neighborhood, they make, like 98 percent of the small businesses, less than $250,000 a year.” God love’em.

On Good Morning America in an interview with Diane Sawyer, Joe the Plumber said Obama’s plan to take more money from those who are successful is “scary” and a “very socialist view” and a “slippery slope.” If he continues to talk like that, and if he continues to resonate with Americans, there is no telling what we will learn next about Joe Wurzelbacher. Is he Trig Palin’s baby daddy? Does he wear silk undergarments? Is he really bald? The point those on the left now trying to destroy Joe the Plumber don’t get is that it doesn’t matter. Not only do their nasty attacks on him discourage anyone else from becoming involved in public political debate, but nothing they could dig up on him would matter anyway.

Whether Joe the Plumber is a Republican or a Democrat, a decided or undecided registered or unregistered voter, gay or straight, a wearer of boxers or briefs, a huge GOP donor or even the secret love child of John McCain doesn’t matter, because it doesn’t change what Barack Obama said. Of his own free will, Obama admitted that he believes his tax plan is a good thing because when you “spread the wealth around” it’s good for everybody.

Those of us who have believed Obama’s policy proposals to be a socialist redistribution of wealth had everything we believed confirmed, straight from the horse’s mouth. That is what was so shocking about the video exchange between Obama and Wurzelbacher -- what Obama said.

Obama told Joe that it is okay to soak those making more than $250,000 because then you can “spread the wealth” around and everyone will benefit. That is redistribution of wealth – taking from the rich (and from the kinda rich) and giving to the not so rich and the poor. And Obama admitted it. Out loud. On video.
Joe the Plumber is not going to be making tax policy (unfortunately), so even if he was a plant or a liar or Trig Palin’s daddy or John McCain’s love child doesn’t matter because it would not change what Barack Obama said. If the scenario described by Joe was real or fabricated would not even change the fact that Obama, the man asking to be allowed to reshape America’s economic policies, said out loud what his philosophy on taxes is and it amounts to redistribution of wealth.

James Pethokoukis at U.S. News and World Report said that in Obama’s statement he was “playing into the most extreme stereotype” of the Democrat party “that is infested with socialists.” He pointed to what he called McCain’s best line in the debate, “Now, of all times in America, we need to cut people’s taxes. We need to encourage business, create jobs, not spread the wealth around.”

Pethokoukis then pointed to something from a Gallup poll from June: “When given a choice about how government should address the numerous economic difficulties facing today’s consumer, Americans overwhelmingly – by 84% to 13% -- prefer that the government focus on improving overall economic conditions and the jobs situation in the United States as opposed to taking steps to distribute wealth more evenly among Americans.”

That attitude may have changed a bit since June, considering the recent credit crisis and anger toward Wall Street fat cats. But even if it is not still an 84-13% split, it is almost certainly still a substantial majority. No wonder those on the Left have decided Joe the Plumber must be destroyed. What they don’t get is that he is not what will cost them votes – Obama’s own words are.

http://townhall.com/columnists/LorieByrd/2008/10/17/the_obama_thugocracy_goes_after_joe_the_plumber?pa ge=1

[tngirl]

Joe The Plumber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPLwaUQcP1k)

[pepperpot]

It is annoying that this guy is being plucked apart........

His crime? He asked Obama a legitimate question about his policy.....now all Joe's laundry is aired, he's being confronted about every time he ever went to the bathroom in his life....:rolleyes: Joe didn't ask to be a celebrity.....nor did his family ask to be scrutinized.....but Obama's camp has to throw the focus off the issue (his policy) and attack this person, make his life miserable and discredit him in every area of his life. His attack poodle Biden, is no better......:rolleyes:

Perhaps he may get some business from it, maybe he'll lose some too.....:(

[gmyers]

Joe the plumber isn't going to have to worry about if he makes over $250,000 and I bet a lot of other businesses wont either. I bet he'll get people to pay cash and not claim it on his taxes to keep from paying so much taxes. A couple of plumbers we use ask for cash when we pay them I bet its to keep from claiming it on their taxes.

[pepperpot]

Joe the plumber isn't going to have to worry about if he makes over $250,000 and I bet a lot of other businesses wont either. I bet he'll get people to pay cash and not claim it on his taxes to keep from paying so much taxes. A couple of plumbers we use ask for cash when we pay them I bet its to keep from claiming it on their taxes.

Does that make his question/concern invalid for anyone else?

Just because I may not fall under one particular policy doesn't mean I can't question the policy......or that the concern raised is not a valid one.....

Forget who brought up the concern......it's a valid concern none the less....that's the point.

Disecting and bashing "Joe" is just to distract from the issue.....unfair, not nice.

[pepperpot]

A couple of plumbers we use ask for cash when we pay them I bet its to keep from claiming it on their taxes.

BTW Did you pay them cash? Not get a receipt? That would make you just as guilty as them....like buying stolen merchandise....selling and buying stolen merchandise are both wrong......

Like buying at Walmart.....we all want the cheap price but we don't want to know the reasons why it is cheap....

I'm not looking to pick on you, but we're all guilty of 'little things' here and there.......let someone without sin cast the first stone......KWIM?

[gmyers]

I wasn't bashing him. Just saying people will find a way around having to pay so much taxes. We had a circle k across the street from us that left the register open and a lot of times they'd figure up what you owed without using the cash register. I figured it was to keep from paying taxes on some of the money they made. The people that owned the circle k worked in the store..I was using joe the plumber figuratively for some businesses will do it. Yes I did pay them cash but I got a receipt. He just told us if we pay cash he'd give us a lower price.

[LuvBigRip]

The problem with Obama's tax policy is it is hypocritical. In one breath, he says he wants to give tax incentives to corporations who keep jobs here (which are leaving because the US has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world) yet then turns around and says he wants to raise taxes on businesses that make too much money. If we continue to tax and punish the profitable and successful, more and more jobs will leave the country. Between Unions who have overvalued the American worker, governmental regulatory red tape which is costly and contradictory and run jobs out, Obama will do more damage.

[Jolie Rouge]

Michelle's syndicated column today reports on Team Obama and the Obamedia’s mission to tear down Joe the Plumber. Yes, we are in the midst of a new contagion: Joe The Plumber Derangement Syndrome. JTPDS.

Now, pay close attention to how the MSM rushes to uncover every last bit of gossip and dirt about Joe Wurzelbacher’s life. Some of it is relevant to the public policy questions he posed to Obama. Much of it is not. Danny Glover notes the behemoth double standards of the media mavens who call it journalism when they investigate, but consider it “stalking” when those of us on the Right perform the same tasks on Democrat poster families: http://blog.eyeblast.tv/?p=118


“The impulse to learn more about Wurzelbacher is perfectly normal. Readers and viewers are no doubt want to know more about the man now that he is all over the news. I know I do. And speaking as a journalist, let me add that reporters should be curious enough to do some basic background research.

But why is it that political reporters only get curious when a conservative Joe America storms onto the scene? Why aren’t they just as curious when liberals trot out, say, a 12-year-old boy to give a national radio address?

It has been almost a year to the day since journalists dropped the ball on telling America more about Graeme Frost, the boy who made the case for sinking billions of dollars more into the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. But when Michelle Malkin and other curious conservative bloggers did the legwork the press wouldn’t, they earned the scorn of their mainstream colleagues.

This time around, with Joe The Plumber as their target, the MSM is coming out with guns blazing. Maybe they should spend more time telling the bigger story about Wurzelbacher — that he managed to get Obama on the public record as favoring a socialistic redistribution of wealth.

As I note below, there’s also a feeding frenzy over Wurzelbacher’s tax lien. Patterico wonders where the media hounds are on the story of Obama’s treasurer’s tax liens. Bet you hadn’t heard about that. Bet you never will again.

Here’s the NYTimes’ latest on Joe vs. Team Obama. Count how many sentences are devoted to Obama’s wealth redistribution remarks and how long it takes before they mention them.

No, they don’t get it.


The Left declares war on Joe the Plumber
by Michelle Malkin

Six-term Sen. Joe Biden’s got some nerve going after citizen Joe the Plumber. But the entrenched politician from Delaware, who fancies himself the nation’s number one Ordinary Joe, had no choice. Obama-Biden simply can’t tolerate an outspoken citizen successfully painting the Democratic ticket as socialist overlords.

And so a dirty, desperate war against Joe Wurzelbacher is on.

The Left’s political plumbers are attacking the messenger, rummaging through his personal life, and predictably wielding the race card once again. It’s standard operating procedure for the Obama thug machine.

Wurzelbacher, in case you’ve been in hibernation, is the small businessman from Ohio who questioned Obama this weekend about his tax plan during a Toledo campaign swing. The revealing exchange was caught on tape and broadcast widely across the Internet and TV airwaves. In response to Joe’s question about why he should be “taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream,” Obama sermonized that Wurzelbacher needed to “spread the wealth around” because “it’s good for everybody.”

John McCain flung that chilling Marxist mantra back in Obama’s face during Wednesday night’s presidential debate and repeatedly cited Joe the Plumber’s plight. Obama squirmed. The dirt-diggers started Googling. And the next morning, six-term Sen. Biden launched the first salvo against the Ohio entrepreneur on NBC’s Today Show, challenging the veracity of his story: “I don’t have any ‘Joe the Plumbers’ in my neighborhood that make $250,000 a year.”

Under an Obama-Biden administration, they’ll make sure no Joe The Plumbers ever earn such a salary. “It’s good for everybody,” don’t you know?

Biden, as is so often the case, twisted the facts about Wurzelbacher. No surprise there. Slick Joe is the one who tells fables about visiting a diner in Delaware that hasn’t been open in years; spins yarns about getting “forced down” in a helicopter over Afghanistan because of perilous conditions that turned out to be weather-related, not al Qaeda-related; and continues to slander the family of the man involved in his wife and daughter’s fatal car accident (crash investigators cleared the now-deceased driver of drunk-driving, despite Biden’s insinuations). But I digress.

Wurzelbacher never claimed to be making $250,000 a year. He told Obama that he might be “getting ready to buy a company that makes about $250,000, $270,000″ a year. His simple point was that Obama’s punitive tax proposals would make it more difficult to realize his dream.

Obama’s followers couldn’t handle the incontrovertible truth. Left-wing blogs immediately went to work, blaring headlines like “Not A Real $250k Plumber!” Next, they falsely accused Wurzelbacher of not being registered to vote (he’s registered in Lucas County, Ohio, and voted as a Republican in this year’s primary).

Next, they called him a liar for identifying himself as undecided. Only registered Democrats and fake Republican tools used in mainstream media stories and YouTube debates are allowed to use that label, you see.

Next, award-winning liberal blogger Joshua Marshall cast Wurzelbacher as some kind of rabid freak for calling Social Security a “joke” – as if no working-class Americans could believe that the federal government’s entitlement programs were a rip-off unless they were bought and paid for by the McCain campaign.

Then, suddenly, the journalists who wouldn’t lift a finger to investigate Barack Obama’s longtime relationships with Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright sprang into action rifling through citizen Joe Wurzelbacher’s tax records. Politico.com reported breathlessly: “Samuel J. Wurzelbacher has a lien placed against him to the tune of $1,182.92. The lien is dated from January of ‘07.” Press outlets probed his divorce records. The local plumbers’ union, which has endorsed Obama, claimed he didn’t do their required apprenticeship work and didn’t have a license to work outside his local township.

Hang him!

After Wurzelbacher told Katie Couric that Obama’s rhetorical tap dance was “almost as good as Sammy Davis, Jr.,” the inevitable cries of “bigotry” followed. (There are now tens of thousands of hits on the Internet for “Joe the Plumber racist.”)

Welcome to Joe the Plumber Derangement Syndrome. If you can’t beat him, smear him. It’s the Obama way.

***

My friend Lorie Byrd was on the very same wavelength. Read her take here.
http://townhall.com/columnists/LorieByrd/2008/10/17/the_obama_thugocracy_goes_after_joe_the_plumber

[Jolie Rouge]

The Thugocracy Goes After Joe the Plumber
Lorie Byrd
Friday, October 17, 2008

The star of the final Presidential debate Wednesday night was not Barack Obama or John McCain. It was Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher from Ohio. Joe the Plumber came to the attention of the candidates when a video of him questioning Obama about his tax policy made news. Video of Obama’s response that when you “spread the wealth around” it’s good for everybody, spread like wildfire across the internet, to some cable news shows, and to John McCain’s attention. Since Joe was a big focus of the debate, and a big hit with Republicans, the Obama thugocracy (as tagged by Michael Barone) wasted no time targeting him.

Some liberal bloggers went after Joe the Plumber saying he didn’t even make $250,000 and that he would receive a tax cut under Barack Obama’s plan, supposedly proving “Joe the Plumber” was a Republican lie. Here is what Joe said in the exchange with Obama: “I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes about 250, 270-80 thousand dollars a year. Your new tax plan is going to tax me more isn’t it?” So much for the Republican lie. Joe told Obama that he was planning on buying a company, which he hoped would put him in that $250,000 or more income range in the future, which prompted Obama’s response about spreading the wealth around. By choosing that line of attack, those on the left proved what many of us on the right already believed – that they don’t “get” the basic concept of the American dream.

The American “dream” is about aspiring to improve your lot – to take advantage of the freedoms this country affords those who are willing to work hard, invest time and energy and often to take risks, to achieve success. In the response of liberals trying to blunt the effect of Obama’s spread the wealth comment they revealed their inability to understand that basic concept. Obama did the same in the full response he gave to Joe’s question. Obama stressed over and over again not what his tax plan would do to those who have begun to experience the success of the American dream, but only what it would do for those behind them. The idea that increasing taxes on the rich could negatively impact the not yet rich is a completely foreign notion.

In addition to those who tried to make hay out of the fact that Joe doesn’t yet make $250,000 (which they would have known if they had actually listened to his question), the Obama thugocracy went after him any other way they could. First they questioned Joe’s political affiliation, some saying he had given to Republicans in the past and others saying he was not registered to vote at all. Then they moved to his personal financial and legal records – first digging up a tax lien against him, then pointing out that he didn’t have a specific license (something required for commercial work, not residential).

Joe “not the plumber” Biden, evidently listening to the talking points and not to Joe the Plumber’s question, thought that Joe the Plumber made $250,000 and therefore wasn’t really a “real” plumber at all. On NBC’s Today show Biden said, “John [McCain] wants to cling to the notion of this guy Joe the plumber. I don’t have any Joe the plumbers in my neighborhood that make $250,000 a year. The Joe the plumbers in my neighborhood, the Joe the cops in my neighborhood, the Joe the grocery store owners in my neighborhood, they make, like 98 percent of the small businesses, less than $250,000 a year.” God love’em.

On Good Morning America in an interview with Diane Sawyer, Joe the Plumber said Obama’s plan to take more money from those who are successful is “scary” and a “very socialist view” and a “slippery slope.” If he continues to talk like that, and if he continues to resonate with Americans, there is no telling what we will learn next about Joe Wurzelbacher. Is he Trig Palin’s baby daddy? Does he wear silk undergarments? Is he really bald? The point those on the left now trying to destroy Joe the Plumber don’t get is that it doesn’t matter. Not only do their nasty attacks on him discourage anyone else from becoming involved in public political debate, but nothing they could dig up on him would matter anyway.

Whether Joe the Plumber is a Republican or a Democrat, a decided or undecided registered or unregistered voter, gay or straight, a wearer of boxers or briefs, a huge GOP donor or even the secret love child of John McCain doesn’t matter, because it doesn’t change what Barack Obama said. Of his own free will, Obama admitted that he believes his tax plan is a good thing because when you “spread the wealth around” it’s good for everybody.

Those of us who have believed Obama’s policy proposals to be a socialist redistribution of wealth had everything we believed confirmed, straight from the horse’s mouth. That is what was so shocking about the video exchange between Obama and Wurzelbacher -- what Obama said.

Obama told Joe that it is okay to soak those making more than $250,000 because then you can “spread the wealth” around and everyone will benefit. That is redistribution of wealth – taking from the rich (and from the kinda rich) and giving to the not so rich and the poor. And Obama admitted it. Out loud. On video.

Joe the Plumber is not going to be making tax policy (unfortunately), so even if he was a plant or a liar or Trig Palin’s daddy or John McCain’s love child doesn’t matter because it would not change what Barack Obama said. If the scenario described by Joe was real or fabricated would not even change the fact that Obama, the man asking to be allowed to reshape America’s economic policies, said out loud what his philosophy on taxes is and it amounts to redistribution of wealth.

James Pethokoukis at U.S. News and World Report said that in Obama’s statement he was “playing into the most extreme stereotype” of the Democrat party “that is infested with socialists.” He pointed to what he called McCain’s best line in the debate, “Now, of all times in America, we need to cut people’s taxes. We need to encourage business, create jobs, not spread the wealth around.”

Pethokoukis then pointed to something from a Gallup poll from June: “When given a choice about how government should address the numerous economic difficulties facing today’s consumer, Americans overwhelmingly – by 84% to 13% -- prefer that the government focus on improving overall economic conditions and the jobs situation in the United States as opposed to taking steps to distribute wealth more evenly among Americans.”

That attitude may have changed a bit since June, considering the recent credit crisis and anger toward Wall Street fat cats. But even if it is not still an 84-13% split, it is almost certainly still a substantial majority. No wonder those on the Left have decided Joe the Plumber must be destroyed. What they don’t get is that he is not what will cost them votes – Obama’s own words are.

[Jolie Rouge]

Real Deal on ‘Joe the Plumber’ Reveals New Slant

One week ago, Joe Wurzelbacher was just another working man living in a modest house outside Toledo, Ohio, and thinking about how to buy the plumbing business where he works. But when he stopped Senator Barack Obama during a visit to his block last weekend to complain about taxes, he set himself on a path to becoming America’s newest media celebrity — and as such suddenly found himself facing celebrity-level scrutiny.

As it turns out, Joe the Plumber, as he became nationally known when Senator John McCain made him a theme at Wednesday’s final presidential debate, may work in the plumbing business, but he is not a licensed plumber.

Thomas Joseph, the business manager of Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters and Service Mechanics, based in Toledo, said Thursday that Mr. Wurzelbacher had never held a plumber’s license, which is required in Toledo and several surrounding municipalities. He also never completed an apprenticeship and does not belong to the plumber’s union, which has endorsed Mr. Obama. On Thursday, he acknowledged that he does plumbing work even though he does not have a license.

His full name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher. And he owes back taxes, too, public records show. The premise of his complaint to Mr. Obama about taxes may also be flawed, according to tax analysts. Contrary to what Mr. Wurzelbacher asserted and Mr. McCain echoed, neither his personal taxes nor those of the business where he works are likely to rise if Mr. Obama’s tax plan were to go into effect, they said.

None of that is likely to matter to those who see Mr. Wurzelbacher as a symbol of the entrepreneurial spirit they hope to foster with tax cuts, but even Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was shocked by all the attention.

“I’m kind of like Britney Spears having a headache,” he told The Associated Press on Thursday. “Everybody wants to know about it.”

Just five days ago, Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, lived in anonymity in Holland, Ohio, a single father who, as he said on national television, worked all day and came home to fix dinner and help his son, 13, with his homework.

But he became the hero of conservatives and Republicans when he stopped Mr. Obama, who was campaigning on his street, and asked whether he believed in the American dream. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was concerned about having to pay higher taxes as an owner of a small business.

“I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes $250,000 to $280,000 a year,” he told Mr. Obama. “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?”

That encounter wound up on YouTube and led to appearances on the Fox News Channel, interviews with conservative bloggers and a New York Post editorial, all of whom seized on a small part of Mr. Obama’s long reply. “I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody,” Mr. Obama had said.

Mr. McCain invoked Mr. Wurzelbacher in Wednesday’s debate as a way to criticize Mr. Obama’s tax plan and wealth-sharing argument, and picked up the theme again on Thursday.

“You know what Senator Obama had to say to Joe? That he wanted to spread his wealth around,” Mr. McCain said at an event in Downingtown, Pa. “America didn’t become the greatest nation on earth by spreading the wealth,” he said. “We became the greatest nation by creating new wealth.”

After some version of “Joe the Plumber” was mentioned two dozen times during the debate, Mr. Wurzelbacher found news crews outside his home and Katie Couric on the phone.

Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters that the company he works for, Newell Plumbing & Heating, has two full-time employees: himself and the owner, Al Newell.

Neither Mr. Newell nor Mr. Wurzelbacher responded to telephone calls. And Mr. Wurzelbacher has provided only vague information on his and the company’s finances since talking to Mr. Obama. But if the plumbing business remained a two-person company and the net proceeds — after deductions for business expenses — were shared by the two men, both incomes would most likely fall well below the top tax brackets on which Mr. Obama wants to raise rates, as would the company itself.

Both, in fact, would probably be eligible for a tax cut, said Bob Williams, senior research associate at the independent, nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, though the cut would probably be greater under Mr. McCain’s tax plan than Mr. Obama’s.

According to public records, Mr. Wurzelbacher has been subject to two liens, each over $1,100. One, with a hospital, has been settled, but a tax lien with the State of Ohio is still outstanding.

In his interview with Ms. Couric, Mr. Wurzelbacher, who voted Republican in Ohio’s March primary, said that his encounter with Mr. Obama had been prompted by his desire “to ask one of these guys a question, and really corner them and get them to answer a question for once instead of tap dancing around it. And unfortunately I asked the question, but I still got a tap dance.” He added, “He was almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/us/politics/17joe.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin

[Jolie Rouge]

... where the media hounds are on the story of Obama’s treasurer’s tax liens ? Bet you hadn’t heard about that. Bet you never will again.

The Los Angeles Times reports:


According to court records, creditors have secured at least two liens against [Joe the Plumber] Wurzelbacher, whose legal name is Samuel. Ohio has a $1,182 lien for owed taxes and St. Charles Mercy Hospital has filed a 2007 lien for $1,261.

I think we can all agree that this is critical information.

Not because it says anything about Joe the Plumber, mind you. But it does serve a useful function: it warns any future citizen who might dare question Barack Obama that his life will be closely scrutinized for any irrelevant but embarrassing information.

So, you know. Critical in that sense.

Oh — I almost forgot to mention: Martin Nesbitt, the treasurer of Obama’s campaign, has tax liens. http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-basketball4-2008oct04,0,6611305.story So do his companies. http://webofdeception.com/obama.html#nesbitt

You’d think that matters more than the tax liens of Joe the Plumber, wouldn’t you? But good luck finding a Big Media story about Nesbitt’s liens.

http://www.patterico.com/2008/10/16/la-times-joe-the-plumber-has-liens1/

Boy, the MSM can really dig in ... when they want to. I’m rather horrified by this. And they wonder why the public doesn’t want to talk to reporters. I can’t wait for Daily Kos to publish where his kids go to school... in 3... 2 ... 1...

[DrHolliday]

Barrack Obama = the American version of Fidel Castro.

[janelle]

The problem with Obama's tax policy is it is hypocritical. In one breath, he says he wants to give tax incentives to corporations who keep jobs here (which are leaving because the US has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world) yet then turns around and says he wants to raise taxes on businesses that make too much money. If we continue to tax and punish the profitable and successful, more and more jobs will leave the country. Between Unions who have overvalued the American worker, governmental regulatory red tape which is costly and contradictory and run jobs out, Obama will do more damage.

Double speak, you mean you caught on to it? Most people don't. They don't take the time to connect the dots.

[LuvBigRip]

Double speak, you mean you caught on to it? Most people don't. They don't take the time to connect the dots.

That's because he doesn't say the same things to different crowds. You have to listen to all of his information (or misinformation). That, and try to read between the carousel of non-answers he gives.

[janelle]

Spread the wealth around. Now how does one go about doing that? Tax those who work and give to those who do not. It's like manure, sounds like it as well.

[jeanea33]

Spread the wealth around. Now how does one go about doing that? Tax those who work and give to those who do not. It's like manure, sounds like it as well.


Totally agree, I work hard for my money. I dont want to give anymore to the people who already sit on welfare. I am down to help elderly and disabled. I do believe if your able to work you need to work. I am talking about the people who make welfare a career and not a step up when needed. So if obama can say this with our money, how much of his 4 million has he gave away? Shouldnt he lead by example?

[YNKYH8R]

It may be a little Ot but I saw a McCain rally on Fox or CNN today....there was a person in back of Palin holding a "Joe Plummer for President" sign. Now...does that make sense to hold a sign supporting 'another candidate' at you candidates rally? It's not like people are holding 'Vote Ayers for president' at Obama rallies.

[YNKYH8R]

I'll bet you he wished he never spoke to Obama now...huh? Celebrity...sucks don't it?

[jeanea33]

I'll bet you he wished he never spoke to Obama now...huh? Celebrity...sucks don't it?


Actually no I am glad he spoke to obama, We all heard obama say spread the wealth around. So those who vote for obama cant b*tch when obama takes their money to someone else, you have been warned.

[YNKYH8R]

Actually no I am glad he spoke to obama, We all heard obama say spread the wealth around. So those who vote for obama cant b*tch when obama takes their money to someone else, you have been warned.Wow..you're going to send me some of your money? Sweet. Make the check out to....

YNKYH8R C/O The Christian Fund...where for only the price of a cup of coffee a day YNKYH8R can enjoy a tetnus shot, celan water, shoes, and a good education. (Fade to black with outro music 'Brother could you spare a dime'.)

[jeanea33]

Wow..you're going to send me some of your money? Sweet. Make the check out to....

YNKYH8R C/O The Christian Fund...where for only the price of a cup of coffee a day YNKYH8R can enjoy a tetnus shot, celan water, shoes, and a good education. (Fade to black with outro music 'Brother could you spare a dime'.)


You find this a joke..... I dont

[YNKYH8R]

You find this a joke..... I dontYup..you got me; it's a joke. Kind of clever. I like how you can actually get a mental image from it. That is what make a joke really good.

(Sigh)......if I think of anymore I'll be sure to post them.

Thanks for commenting.

[Jolie Rouge]

Wow..you're going to send me some of your money? Sweet. Make the check out to....

YNKYH8R C/O The Christian Fund...where for only the price of a cup of coffee a day YNKYH8R can enjoy a tetnus shot, celan water, shoes, and a good education. (Fade to black with outro music 'Brother could you spare a dime'.)

well, see, here is the rub. When I write a check of my own free will ... it is charity, kindness, generosity ... When it is taken from my paycheck by decree ... it is coersion, constraint, conspiracy and socialism.

[YNKYH8R]

well, see, here is the rub. When I write a check of my own free will ... it is charity, kindness, generosity ... When it is taken from my paycheck by decree ... it is coersion, constraint, conspiracy and socialism.Too true. I had a patient in today. I mentioned not being able to wait unitl the election was over. Sh esaid she was hoping Obama would make it. I told her I was undecided. We talked about insurance and how I did have any. She told me to go on MaineCare (the state funded insurance for poverty line folk). I told her no I has on it for a year and got off. I wanted to pay for my insurance but just wanted it to be afordable. She said some to the effect of "we should all have insurance..it should be free..it's nothign to be ashamed of." WTF?!?

That's why MaineCare has the stigma it has....so many people abuse it who could work for insurance.

[pepperpot]

Until people understand the concept that NOTHING IS FREE.......we will be hitting our heads against the wall.:banghead:

Somebody ALWAYS pays.....:(

[anothersta]

I'll bet you he wished he never spoke to Obama now...huh? Celebrity...sucks don't it?


I would be afraid to ask BHO a question. If he fumbles and looks silly, he will THUG you into the ground. and the media will smear you. What a bunch of criminals!

[anothersta]

Too true. I had a patient in today. I mentioned not being able to wait unitl the election was over. Sh esaid she was hoping Obama would make it. I told her I was undecided. We talked about insurance and how I did have any. She told me to go on MaineCare (the state funded insurance for poverty line folk). I told her no I has on it for a year and got off. I wanted to pay for my insurance but just wanted it to be afordable. She said some to the effect of "we should all have insurance..it should be free..it's nothign to be ashamed of." WTF?!?

That's why MaineCare has the stigma it has....so many people abuse it who could work for insurance.

And that's what someone who wants power and socialism counts on. That people would rather get a handout. By the time they realize it was the wrong thing to do, it's going to be too late.

[LuvBigRip]

The only thing socialism equals is poverty. Wealth will never be spread amongst those not willing to work for it. America guarantees you Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It does not assure you happiness. It does not guarantee you free anything.

When I was a child, you never got a ribbon for showing up, you never got a trophy just because you played on a team. You had to work hard to be the best. Now, kids get participation ribbons and parents pay for trophies for little Johnny's soccer team. When I told my son they wanted to give all the kids trophies, he asked "why, if we don't win?" While I think we need to instill confidence in our children, I think they are better served for real life when they know that showing up doesn't win you a prize, or earn you a six figure salary. My son's baseball team earned a trophy, which he accepted, he refused the general soccer trophy (although he accepted one he earned in soccer). He is 9.

I think we have raised a generation of Americans who honestly believe that someone owes them something for nothing. Barack speaks to that generation, I for one am very saddened and troubled by that. His words are that he will work hard to ensure they have a job, not that they will have to work for that job. I heard John McCain speaking to auto workers in Detroit, telling them that they may have to retrain for a new job, that Americans may need to look in a new direction. That they may have to work to change in a new direction. Sometimes life sucks, sometimes life does not go along like we planned, and you have to change course and go in a new direction.

Unions, beauracracy, governmental red tape and corporate taxes have worked to push many manufacturing jobs out of this country. Honestly I doubt they are coming back. Obama's plan is to offer incentives to stay here, until you are too successful, then he will tax you again.

[YNKYH8R]

The only thing socialism equals is poverty. Wealth will never be spread amongst those not willing to work for it. America guarantees you Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It does not assure you happiness. It does not guarantee you free anything.

When I was a child, you never got a ribbon for showing up, you never got a trophy just because you played on a team. You had to work hard to be the best. Now, kids get participation ribbons and parents pay for trophies for little Johnny's soccer team. When I told my son they wanted to give all the kids trophies, he asked "why, if we don't win?" While I think we need to instill confidence in our children, I think they are better served for real life when they know that showing up doesn't win you a prize, or earn you a six figure salary. My son's baseball team earned a trophy, which he accepted, he refused the general soccer trophy (although he accepted one he earned in soccer). He is 9.

I think we have raised a generation of Americans who honestly believe that someone owes them something for nothing. Barack speaks to that generation, I for one am very saddened and troubled by that. His words are that he will work hard to ensure they have a job, not that they will have to work for that job. I heard John McCain speaking to auto workers in Detroit, telling them that they may have to retrain for a new job, that Americans may need to look in a new direction. That they may have to work to change in a new direction. Sometimes life sucks, sometimes life does not go along like we planned, and you have to change course and go in a new direction.

Unions, beauracracy, governmental red tape and corporate taxes have worked to push many manufacturing jobs out of this country. Honestly I doubt they are coming back. Obama's plan is to offer incentives to stay here, until you are too successful, then he will tax you again.Society is breading it. When you watch people go on reality tv programs doing...essentially nothing and getting paid to do it. When you hand out diplomas to pre-school kids...preschool for pete's sake. Parents don't want their children to have a difficult time..ever. They don't want to see thier kids fail. So they hand out trophies left and right for showing up. Hell they even have good attendence awards in school. It's the parents...always the parents.

[LuvBigRip]

Society is breading it. When you watch people go on reality tv programs doing...essentially nothing and getting paid to do it. When you hand out diplomas to pre-school kids...preschool for pete's sake. Parents don't want their children to have a difficult time..ever. They don't want to see thier kids fail. So they hand out trophies left and right for showing up. Hell they even have good attendence awards in school. It's the parents...always the parents.

I agree. Like is not fair, and parents have failed in teaching them that. As long as you have politicians trying to guarantee spreading the wealth, the lazy wil never amount to anything. We as a society have bred generational welfare and Obama promises more of that.

OT. This morning I had an Obama supporter canvassing our neighborhood, I walked out my door to get my paper and caught the little ******* knifing my McCain poster in my yard. I called the cops on him they are looking for him now.

[April78945]

What infuriates me is that Joe isn't even a plumber and he owes about $1200 in back taxxes.

[anothersta]

What infuriates me is that Joe isn't even a plumber and he owes about $1200 in back taxxes.

What makes you think he's not a plumber and what the heck do you care what back taxes he owes?? and it's property taxes, not income taxes.

Maybe, since he's a single dad, 1200 people could send him a buck to pay those taxes off? I'd be game for that one.

[April78945]

I say he is not a plumber because he is not. He isn't a liscensed plumber. Tax is tax, doesn't matter what kind does it? He still owes me and just because he is a single father he doesn't get a break. My mother was a single mother and she managed to pay her taxxes. It's a lame excuse

[anothersta]

I say he is not a plumber because he is not. He isn't a liscensed plumber. Tax is tax, doesn't matter what kind does it? He still owes me and just because he is a single father he doesn't get a break. My mother was a single mother and she managed to pay her taxxes. It's a lame excuse


What does he owe YOU? and he doesn't have to be licensed in OH, unless he's doing commercial work. You should see how many handymen/women are unlicensed in your area if you want them all licensed. Maybe you could go after them?

[anothersta]

Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters Thursday morning that he worked for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small local firm whose business addresses flow back to several residential homes, including one on Talmadge Road in Ottawa Hills.

According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A. W. Newell Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418

[janelle]

Someone said on FOX. It doesn't really matter who Joe is now, Barack said "spread the weath around" and that was his words. He cannot un-ring the bell now. That is why Joe is being focused on so much---Barack showed a crack in his plan and the people hate it so blame the guy who asked the question.

Obama and his people are trying to mop it up. Obama went to Joe's neighborhood, Joe did not go to his rallies. From now on Obama better now wander out into the crowd where REAL questions will be asked.

[April78945]

What does he owe YOU? and he doesn't have to be licensed in OH, unless he's doing commercial work. You should see how many handymen/women are unlicensed in your area if you want them all licensed. Maybe you could go after them?

I actually meant to wrote "money" not "me" lol
And I am not going after anybody, wth are you talking about?

[pepperpot]

I say he is not a plumber because he is not. He isn't a liscensed plumber.

Just to clarify.....you can still be "a plumber" without a license.....the head of your business would hold the license....the 'head' would be the 'licensed plumber', other plumbers would be working under his license....you can also be a licensed plumber working for a firm as well....but in order to own/operate a plumbing business.....he'd have to have a license.....but one could absolutely be a plumber and be working as a plumber without a license.

The question of his license came up because he said he wanted to purchase a plumbing business.....in which case....he would have to be licensed.

[janelle]

Joe will be on Huckabee on FOX tomorrow, Sunday, so he will clear up a lot of questions. I rather get it from him than the talking heads.

[anothersta]

Did anyone see Joe on Hannity and Colmes tonight? He explained the tax bill, said he didn't even know about it 'cause they didn't send him a bill.

I might say, sure they didn't. Except that when we moved into our home, I thought the closing company took care of all the records stuff. Come the second January we were here, I called city hall as we hadn't gotten a PPT bill yet. They informed me that we were suppose to go register in this county. Oops!!

They also said that since I'd called, they knew we weren't trying to avoid it so they took off all the late fees and interest. We paid it within 30 days and all was good.

It could happen. We owed for cars and home cause we had moved from another county.

[jeanea33]

Isnt this what congress is suppose to help. They are claiming that many americans are suffering. Cant pay bills, losing homes. So when this guy show struggle, people attack him. He hasnt lost his home, he just got a little behind. Who hasnt got behind before?

[anothersta]

I'll bet he gets that tax bill caught up now lol And, he's been fighting in court for years to get custody of his son.

I agree that you'd expect the media to pat him on the back and help him out. Maybe BHO or his wife could offer free legal services for the custody case. But, no, that's not what happened.....

[janelle]

Another wonderful government program messing up things. No bill sent, you have to know by sensing it. Most of the time it's when you are selling or buying a home, then it shows up on your credit.

[pepperpot]

Did anyone see Joe on Hannity and Colmes tonight? He explained the tax bill, said he didn't even know about it 'cause they didn't send him a bill.

I might say, sure they didn't. Except that when we moved into our home, I thought the closing company took care of all the records stuff. Come the second January we were here, I called city hall as we hadn't gotten a PPT bill yet. They informed me that we were suppose to go register in this county. Oops!!

They also said that since I'd called, they knew we weren't trying to avoid it so they took off all the late fees and interest. We paid it within 30 days and all was good.

It could happen. We owed for cars and home cause we had moved from another county.

Same thing happened to me with a 'city bill'....they never sent me one....only they didn't take off the 'late & interest charges'......almost $300 worth.....:mad:

[DrHolliday]

Joe will be on Huckabee on FOX tomorrow, Sunday, so he will clear up a lot of questions. I rather get it from him than the talking heads.

I'm starting to like that Huckabee show. Wholesome, informative and entertaining.

And don't you just love how NBC rips into Joe the Plumber saying he's not a real plumber (which he is), how he's name isn't Joe (his middle name is indeed Joe), and how he owes taxes (eventhough a bill was never sent to him).

Just goes to prove if the media wanted to investigate Ayers, Rezko and ACORN they could. They choose not to though.