Obama up 10 points,McCain Favorability Rating Falls

[candygirl]

With just over three weeks until Election Day, the two presidential nominees appear to be on opposite trajectories, with Sen. Barack Obama gaining momentum and Sen. John McCain stalled or losing ground on a range of issues and personal traits, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Overall, Obama is leading 53 percent to 43 percent among likely voters, and for the first time in the general-election campaign, voters gave the Democrat a clear edge on tax policy and providing strong leadership.

McCain has made little headway in his attempts to convince voters that Obama is too "risky" or too "liberal." Rather, recent strategic shifts may have hurt the Republican nominee, who now has higher negative ratings than his rival and is seen as mostly attacking his opponent rather than addressing the issues that voters care about. Even McCain's supporters are now less enthusiastic about his candidacy, returning to levels not seen since before the Republican National Convention.

Conversely, Obama's pitch to the middle class on taxes is beginning to sink in; nearly as many said they think their taxes would go up under a McCain administration as under an Obama presidency, and more see their burdens easing with the Democrat in the White House.

The poll was conducted after Tuesday night's debate, which most voters said did not sway their opinions much. Still, voters' impressions of Obama are up, and views of McCain have slipped.

Nearly two-thirds of voters, 64 percent, now view Obama favorably, up six percentage points from early September. About a third of voters have a better opinion of the senator from Illinois because of his debate performances, while 8 percent have a lower opinion of him. By contrast, more than a quarter said they think worse of McCain as a result of the debates, more than double the proportion saying their opinion had improved. McCain's overall rating has also dipped seven points, to 52 percent, over the past month.

With the final debate set for Wednesday at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y., McCain faces a narrowing window in which to reverse course.

Among the reasons McCain's path to victory seems steeper is that the percentage of "movable" voters continues to shrink. Thirteen percent of all voters are now either undecided or may change their mind before Election Day, down somewhat from recent polls.

Relatively high numbers of movable voters this year have led to poll swings. While McCain and Obama ran nearly even in Post-ABC polling for months, the financial crisis began to accelerate in mid-September -- and so did Obama, stretching to a nine-point lead. That lead narrowed slightly, to four points, after the first presidential debate, then widened again to its current 10 points.

:dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing:

[DrHolliday]

Rasmussen has Obama +5
Reuters/CSpan/Zogby has Obama +4
Gallup has Obama +5

Looks like the Kool Aid may be wearing off. :laugh:

[atprm]

Overall, Obama is leading 53 percent to 43 percent among likely voters,

first of all -- who is "likely voters"

and secondly --

CITE YOUR SOURCE plaegerism is a bad thing.

[Bahet]

It's not the debates IMO. McCain did fine in the debates. So di Obama. I think it was pretty equal overall. It's McCain "supporters" who are going to cost him the election. People are sick of the Muslim, terrorist, won't say the pledge, got his college money from Hamas people, etc slander that is nothing but lies.

Just once I'd like to see someone tell us what their candidate will do right instead of making up lies that the opponet supposedly does wrong. If you can't win based on truth and fact then you don't deserve to win.

[jeanea33]

I dont always believe the polls. They change faster than most people change their own underwear. lol

[jbbarn]

It's not the debates IMO. McCain did fine in the debates. So di Obama. I think it was pretty equal overall. It's McCain "supporters" who are going to cost him the election. People are sick of the Muslim, terrorist, won't say the pledge, got his college money from Hamas people, etc slander that is nothing but lies.

Just once I'd like to see someone tell us what their candidate will do right instead of making up lies that the opponet supposedly does wrong. If you can't win based on truth and fact then you don't deserve to win.



Can anybody tell me exactly WHAT it is that Barack Obama plans to do?
I don't understand a dam*ed thing he says.The only thing I know about him is that he never voted on anything in the senate,only present.

[Jolie Rouge]

The poll I heard today was 44% Obama and 42% McCain with 13% undecieded.... can't cite the source... sorry ... it was on the radio

[LuvBigRip]

From CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/map/polling/

Obama 50%
McCain 42%

[anothersta]

Can anybody tell me exactly WHAT it is that Barack Obama plans to do?
I don't understand a dam*ed thing he says.The only thing I know about him is that he never voted on anything in the senate,only present.

He plans to redistribute the wealth (although I wouldn't consider 250K wealthy, maybe well off, but certainly not wealthy), he plans to do to the insurance market what he helped to do to the housing market.

And something he's not talking about is, the tax credits he's ranting and raving about will be phased out in a few years.

He says "And you and I together, we're are going to change this country and the WORLD"

Does anybody remember Carter's presidency??????

[SurferGirl]

I think that McCain is using way too much restraint.

We all know about Obama as a community organizer.
We all know about his group ACORN and the other groups like it.
We know that it was the Democrats that really put our economy into a ditch, and that people like Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Dodd, Harry Reid can't be trusted and should be voted out of office.

Personally I think Hillary should ask for a recount on the Primary after hearing about Obama's group ACORN.

We do all know that Obama spent most of his life being influenced by radicals, marxists, communists and socialists. We also know that the church Obama belonged to wasn't what would be considered a Christian church. It gave an award to Louis Farrakhan the leader of the Nation of Islam. I think his church is more Muslem than Christian.

I don't know how some want to turn it around as if we don't know what we are talking about and seem to believe all the BS pushed by Obama, who by the way has been caught in many of his lies.

Maybe some people should have paid more attention about Obama not holding his hand over his heart during our national anthem. People should have questioned more about him not wanting to wear a flag pin and his pathetic excuse not to wear one. There are pictures on this forum that show Bill Ayers as late as 2001 stomping on an American Flag.

[janelle]

It depends on which poll you believe.

And talk about nasty campaigning. Just reported on FOX about Obama's supporters wearing T-Shirts calling Palin the C word. They couldn't even show it on TV. Sexist at it's worst but the liberal media won't report on it, not like the racist comments about Obama. Double standard. Who would have thought? Roll eyes.

[speedygirl]

It is ridiculous and nasty but where was the outcry when a very similar T-shirt with the C word was worn when Hillary Clinton was running. Remember Citizens United Not Timid? (They sure weren't Democrats.) And we can figure out the acronym for that. There's sexism in both parties it's not just a trait in liberals. This campaign is getting creepier by the day.

[janelle]

It is ridiculous and nasty but where was the outcry when a very similar T-shirt with the C word was worn when Hillary Clinton was running. Remember Citizens United Not Timid? (They sure weren't Democrats.) And we can figure out the acronym for that. There's sexism in both parties it's not just a trait in liberals. This campaign is getting creepier by the day.

Well those shirts may have come from the Obama camp, guess they had some left over and added Palin's name instead of Hillary's.

[speedygirl]

Well those shirts may have come from the Obama camp, guess they had some left over and added Palin's name instead of Hillary's.

That is a joke I hope, lol. Citizens United Not Timid is a GOP group. It's wrong regardless who does it and yes, Republicans did it and Democrats did it. The Republicans aren't squeaky clean when it comes to this and neither are the Dems.

[janelle]

Never heard of them. Crazies are out and in force on both sides. Both sides should condemn them. I heard McCain defend Obama from a crazy---now to hear Obama do the same thing.

[DrHolliday]

I think that McCain is using way too much restraint.

He definitely is...and if he doesn't snap out of it, he'll be a gentlemanly loser. :slap

[speedygirl]

If people didn't keep telling him that he'd come off as looking like an angry old man he might have the stones to do it. He needs to say screw them and show us what he's really made of. Maybe the American need to see a little more anger and passion considering the state of the country. All of these handlers of the candidates mold them into what they THINK we want.

[whatever]

there is finally a commerical running here about Obama's acc. with that ayers (is that who it is?)
Now he needs to get one about the minister going. You can't leave it alone.
Obama did NOT go to that church for 20 years and NOT know what the hell was going on there. Get effing real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are just to many, shall we call them, concerns about Obama that I have about him that would EVER allow me to vote for the man!
You can "talk or preach" till you are blue in the face. But if you have no experience to run a country or can't talk without someone telling you every word to use...............................
I don't want someone who wants to change the world. I care about MY country!! ANd I will say it again........One man (the president) did not put us in this mess all by himself. He had the help of rep, dem congress and senators alike who turned a blind eye for the almighty dollar!

[YNKYH8R]

Can anybody tell me exactly WHAT it is that Barack Obama plans to do?
I don't understand a dam*ed thing he says.The only thing I know about him is that he never voted on anything in the senate,only present.Check out his website.

[anothersta]

Can anybody tell me exactly WHAT it is that Barack Obama plans to do?
I don't understand a dam*ed thing he says.The only thing I know about him is that he never voted on anything in the senate,only present.


He plans to change the change depending on which direction the wind is blowing. Then he plans to change the world.

He plans to 'spread the wealth'. 250K might be secure, but I certainly don't think it's wealthy. He also plans to trash the health insurance market the way the CRA trashed the housing market.

But, when it really comes down to it, he's accomplished nothing politically other than to offer 95% of the people money if they vote for him.

As a senator, he accomplished nothing. He has no political clout. Which will leave Pelosi, Dodd, Frank and Reid running the show.

If you thought were afraid of an Obama presidency before........

[whatever]

I got this in an email and boy does it really hit the nail on the head.........

MAYBE I'VE GOTTEN THIS ALL WRONG - ME JUST BEING AN AVERAGE MIDDLE CLASS GUY WITHOUT MUCH FORMAL EDUCATION BEYOND A B.A. DEGREE...BUT NOW, CHECK THIS OUT:
THIS MAN WANTS OUR VOTE FOR U.S. PRESIDENT - HIS FATHER WAS A KENYAN, AND A BLACK- WE SAW ALL THOSE PICTURES OF HIS NICE AFRICAN FAMILY.

HIS MOTHER IS KANSAN, ATHEIST, AND WHITE. SO - WHERE ARE ALL THOSE PICTURES OF HIS NICE WHITE MOTHER AND HIS NICE WHITE KANSAS GRANDPARENTS - THE ONES WHO RAISED HIM ALL THOSE EARLY YEARS?

LETS SEE - HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER AND HIM WHEN HE WAS VERY YOUNG AND MOVED BACK TO LIVE WITH HIS FAMILY IN KENYA (THAT'S THE ONES IN THE PICTURES).

HIS WHITE MOTHER THEN MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND TOOK HIM TO THE CITY OF JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS FIRST SCHOOLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL .

HIS MOTHER THEN MOVED TO HAWAII AND HE WAS RAISED BY HIS WHITE MIDDLE CLASS - AMERICAN GRANDPARENTS THERE. UMMM...NOW HERE'S THE BEGINNING OF THE HARD PART FOR ME (HELP ME OUT HERE, IF YOU CAN):

SOMEHOW, SUDDENLY - HE WENT TO THE BEST HIGH DOLLAR PREP SCHOOLS IN AMERICA, AND NEXT HE GOT INTO A TOP IVY LEAGUE COLLEGE , AND LATER, INTO HARVARD LAW SCHOOL - HOW? WHO SPONSORED HIM? WHO PAID FOR ALL THAT SCHOOLING?

(HAVE YOU LOOKED AT TUITION EXPENSES TO ATTEND UNDERGRADUATE YALE LATELY? HOW ABOUT HARVARD LAW SCHOOL ? SOMEBODY PAID A LOT OF BUCKS FOR THIS KID'S IVY LEAGUE EDUCATION.......) WHO? HE APPARENTLY DID NOT HAVE SCHOLARSHIPS THAT PAID IT ALL FROM WHAT WE READ. HE ALSO DID NOT HAVE TO BORROW FOR COLLEGE , ALSO FROM WHAT WE READ. SO???

THAT BRINGS US TO THE MORE CURRENT YEARS: A U.S. SENATOR'S SALARY IS NOT THAT GREAT, BUT THIS YOUNG MAN
AND HIS YOUNG WIFE JUST RECENTLY BOUGHT A $14 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE THAT HE ACQUIRED THROUGH A 'DEAL' WITH A WEALTHY FUND RAISER, A FUND RAISER WHO APPARENTLY IS A CRIMINAL LAW BREAKER PER THE NEWS.

WHAT SORT OF 'DEAL'? AND, RIGHT OUT OF HARVARD LAW, HE 'WORKED' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO
WHAT KIND OF PAY IS THIS, WE CAN ASSUME IT IS LITTLE OR NOTHING PAY WISE! OR IS THERE OTHER KIND OF PAY INVOLVED?? HE THEN ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL WHICH CERTAINLY IS A LOW PAYING JOB, AND THEN MOVED RIGHT TO THE NATIONAL LEVEL. DID HE 'FUND RAISE' TO GET THE FUNDS TO GET ELECTED? WHAT KIND OF PROMISES DID HE MAKE?

NOW, HE SCRAMBLES TODAY WITH A NICE SMILE BUT VERY MINIMAL EXPERIENCE IN ANYTHING - WHILE OTHER PEOPLE WRITE HIS RAH-RAH SPEECHES FOR HIM.

IN ALL HIS MINIMAL TIME IN THE STATE, AND NATIONAL LEGISLATURES - HE'S NEVER LAUNCHED ANY IMPORTANT
LEGISLATION, NONE WHATSOEVER. MOSTLY, OF LATE FOR SOME TWO YEARS, HE'S BEEN OUT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

THEN COME THE ENDORSEMENTS FOR HIM FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, ONES THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY USA FRIENDS, LIKE THE IRAN PRES, FRENCH PRES, THE IRAQ MINISTER THAT WANTS USA OUT. HMMM WHAT DO THEY SEE IN HIM THAT THEY LIKE? HE CLAIMS TO BE 'PROUD OF HIS AFRICAN HERITAGE' -- NICE BUT -- IT SEEMS THAT HIS ONLY CONNECTION WITH AFRICA WAS THAT HIS AFRICAN FATHER GOT A WHITE AMERICAN GIRL PREGNANT AND THEN DESERTED HER.

UMMM....WHERE IS THE OUTSPOKEN PRIDE IN HIS WHITE HERITAGE? AFTER ALL - IT WAS WHITE GRANDPARENTS THAT RAISED HIM!


HE IS PRESENTLY A MEMBER, OR WAS UNTIL POLITICS NECESSITATED A CHANGE, FOR OVER 20 YEARS OF AN
'AFROCENTRIC' CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT SEEMINGLY HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE
WORLD'S FAULTS.

HE REPEATEDLY COVERED UP FOR THAT PASTOR AND THAT CHURCH - SAYING THAT HE CAN SEPARATE THE RELIGION FROM THE POLITICS, WHEN HE HEARS A HATE-WHITEY SERMON.

HE CLAIMED THAT HE WAS SIMPLY UNABLE TO CONFRONT HIS PASTOR OF 20+ YEARS ABOUT THE PASTOR'S DEMONSTRATED UN-AMERICAN BIAS. BUT -- HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE THAT HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN AND RUSSIA WHEN THE TIME ARISES TO TAKE AMERICA'S SIDE. YEAH - WITH HIS BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE, HE 'HOPES' THAT HE COULD BE A 'UNITER' AND BRING US ALL TOGETHER;

BUT - WE ARE LEFT TO THINK THAT THE REAL 'HOPE' IS, THAT HE REALLY HOPES THAT NO ONE WILL PUT ALL THESE PIECES TOGETHER, AT LEAST NOT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION.



YOU MIGHT SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW AND - GET OUT AND VOTE.

[YNKYH8R]

there is finally a commerical running here about Obama's acc. with that ayers (is that who it is?)
Now he needs to get one about the minister going. You can't leave it alone.
Obama did NOT go to that church for 20 years and NOT know what the hell was going on there. Get effing real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are just to many, shall we call them, concerns about Obama that I have about him that would EVER allow me to vote for the man!
You can "talk or preach" till you are blue in the face. But if you have no experience to run a country or can't talk without someone telling you every word to use...............................
I don't want someone who wants to change the world. I care about MY country!! ANd I will say it again........One man (the president) did not put us in this mess all by himself. He had the help of rep, dem congress and senators alike who turned a blind eye for the almighty dollar!But this is exactly why he isn't winning. If a candidate is going to focus on past aquintences and ethnicity and religious beliefs you aren't going to win. You need to stick to the issues. If you don't then you are saying that the issues don't matter and that your stance on the issues is weak. Obama keeps driving his point home...the media (*cough* FOX) keeps driving characer assainations and past aquaintences.
Makes you mad? Sure.
You going to vote for him? No.

Even Obama's detractors are saying stick with the message. Economy, taxes, health care (repeatx3).

Because in the final analysis ACRON, Ayers, and whatever else...Obama wasn't there. Obama wasn't there when Ayers did whatever he did..Obama wasn't the one who directly commited voter fraud..Obama wasn't the one in meeting with fannie and freddie saying 'you're doing a good job'. Guilty by association is not the way McCain needs to run this.

If you can put Obama in the Conservatory with the Candlestick then you have something. Everything else is debatable. There will always be someone to spin or misdirect or redirect...focus..focus..focus. Economy, taxes, health care. That's the only way for McCain to win.

[anothersta]

I think it was 1.4 mil that they paid for that house. Still, a hefty amount and he got a lower interest rate than others were getting at the time. A sweetheart deal?

He and his wife run around trying to tell us how hard their life was (so we know they can understand how we feel). Yep and tough one, maids, houses, favors, I'm crying my eyes out for 'em.

He also was willing to toss his grandmother under the bus and his so endeared pastor. When it would help his political career, he dubbed his white grandmother (a typical white person) a racist *toss one under* and tossed his pastor under when it became a political problem *two for two*

If he'll toss his grandmother under the bus, he'll toss you, too.... in a heartbeat!

[anothersta]

And how will he pay for all these programs he's proposing? Add to the National Debt. Well, we all know the pot never runs dry on that one, dont' we?

Wonder when some of these other countries will require something other than a promise before they loan us more money?

And Biden... Well Biden seems like a nice enough guy. I'd probably like to have a barbcue with, but I don't think I want him to be second in command of running the country.

[speedygirl]

He also was willing to toss his grandmother under the bus and his so endeared pastor. When it would help his political career, he dubbed his white grandmother (a typical white person) a racist *toss one under* and tossed his pastor under when it became a political problem *two for two*

If he'll toss his grandmother under the bus, he'll toss you, too.... in a heartbeat!

I don't call it tossing her under the bus. I know plenty of people of that generation that were fearful of other races and made many a racial comment before political correctness.

In the speech, he said: "I can no more disown [Wright] than I can disown my white grandmother, a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

[jeanea33]

He also was willing to toss his grandmother under the bus and his so endeared pastor. When it would help his political career, he dubbed his white grandmother (a typical white person) a racist *toss one under* and tossed his pastor under when it became a political problem *two for two*

If he'll toss his grandmother under the bus, he'll toss you, too.... in a heartbeat!

I have always thought the same exact thing.

[YNKYH8R]

My first non cynical post in a week and no response.:gaah

[janelle]

I don't call it tossing her under the bus. I know plenty of people of that generation that were fearful of other races and made many a racial comment before political correctness.

In the speech, he said: "I can no more disown [Wright] than I can disown my white grandmother, a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

Are you saying Wright is also of that generation and should be excused? I would agree except he preaches this hatred to his church and it influences younger people. A big diffference in hearing ones older grandmother saying something and a preacher from the pulpit who should know his words influence people. I see a big difference between the two but I guess Obama doesn't.

[janelle]

My first non cynical post in a week and no response.:gaah

Someone told you that you are a cynical young man? I am aghast!!! LOL

[speedygirl]

Are you saying Wright is also of that generation and should be excused? I would agree except he preaches this hatred to his church and it influences younger people. A big diffference in hearing ones older grandmother saying something and a preacher from the pulpit who should know his words influence people. I see a big difference between the two but I guess Obama doesn't.

That's a whole different story and you know exactly how I feel about him. I've said it over and over. What his grandmother said and preaching hate like Rev Wright is like apples and oranges. His grandmother said unknowing ignorant statements, Rev Wright knew what the hell he was saying and doing.

[jbbarn]

My first non cynical post in a week and no response.:gaah


That's cause we didn't recognize you!:slap

[janelle]

That's a whole different story and you know exactly how I feel about him. I've said it over and over. What his grandmother said and preaching hate like Rev Wright is like apples and oranges. His grandmother said unknowing ignorant statements, Rev Wright knew what the hell he was saying and doing.

I agree, I just wish Obama would agree as well. NOT A CHANCE.

[jbbarn]

He plans to change the change depending on which direction the wind is blowing. Then he plans to change the world.

He plans to 'spread the wealth'. 250K might be secure, but I certainly don't think it's wealthy. He also plans to trash the health insurance market the way the CRA trashed the housing market.

But, when it really comes down to it, he's accomplished nothing politically other than to offer 95% of the people money if they vote for him.

As a senator, he accomplished nothing. He has no political clout. Which will leave Pelosi, Dodd, Frank and Reid running the show.

If you thought were afraid of an Obama presidency before........

Thanx! That's what I thought.

[anothersta]

I don't call it tossing her under the bus. I know plenty of people of that generation that were fearful of other races and made many a racial comment before political correctness.

In the speech, he said: "I can no more disown [Wright] than I can disown my white grandmother, a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."


Exactly my point. Why did he have to add the other stuff so many folks wouldn't think of her as highly as maybe they had before? And she can't even defend herself. Why was that part important? Why would he say something that would make people think she wasn't anything but nice to him?

To better his career, to remind people to have sympathy for him. He should be putting her on a pedastool and NEVER speak of her like that. Where was it pertinant to the point? It wasn't.

He tossed her under the bus, but I'll agree that he added all that other nice stuff so maybe she just lost a leg. What a guy! Career first, grandma second. Wonder if he'd have said that stuff if she was alive and could defend it?

Which again, leads back to BHO saying one thing to one group and something different to another. Like the rural people hanging onto their guns and religion. What was that all about????

We're gonna need another set of tires for that bus! lol

[anothersta]

Can anybody tell me exactly WHAT it is that Barack Obama plans to do?
I don't understand a dam*ed thing he says.The only thing I know about him is that he never voted on anything in the senate,only present.
Check out his website.

But print it out 'cause it's been known to change lol

Sorry about the funky quote. I still haven't figured out how to do the two quote thingy

[YNKYH8R]

But print it out 'cause it's been known to change lol

Sorry about the funky quote. I still haven't figured out how to do the two quote thingy
You have to watch how you [quote] and ['/'quote]

[anothersta]

No, I meant one inside the other. But, it looks like I got it.

[speedygirl]

Exactly my point. Why did he have to add the other stuff so many folks wouldn't think of her as highly as maybe they had before? And she can't even defend herself. Why was that part important? Why would he say something that would make people think she wasn't anything but nice to him?

To better his career, to remind people to have sympathy for him. He should be putting her on a pedastool and NEVER speak of her like that. Where was it pertinant to the point? It wasn't.

He tossed her under the bus, but I'll agree that he added all that other nice stuff so maybe she just lost a leg. What a guy! Career first, grandma second. Wonder if he'd have said that stuff if she was alive and could defend it?

Which again, leads back to BHO saying one thing to one group and something different to another. Like the rural people hanging onto their guns and religion. What was that all about????

We're gonna need another set of tires for that bus! lol

I don't believe for one second that he tossed her under the bus, tried to gain sympathy, etc...He was explaining the racial climate at that time. I remember it all too well. His grandmother used racial epithets out of ignorance and not malice. Disowning one's grandmother because of her ignorance at the time would have been the REAL throwing of her under the bus. People used slurs like that as part of normal conversation back then. The political correctness that we have today wasn't remotely there. He can put his grandmother on a pedestal and still say that those words were hurtful but did not diminish his love for her. Nothing wrong with that. If people cut off everyone that insulted them, said something out of igorance, etc...we'd all be living alone.

[whatever]

But this is exactly why he isn't winning. If a candidate is going to focus on past aquintences and ethnicity and religious beliefs you aren't going to win. You need to stick to the issues. If you don't then you are saying that the issues don't matter and that your stance on the issues is weak. Obama keeps driving his point home...the media (*cough* FOX) keeps driving characer assainations and past aquaintences.
Makes you mad? Sure.
You going to vote for him? No.

Even Obama's detractors are saying stick with the message. Economy, taxes, health care (repeatx3).

Because in the final analysis ACRON, Ayers, and whatever else...Obama wasn't there. Obama wasn't there when Ayers did whatever he did..Obama wasn't the one who directly commited voter fraud..Obama wasn't the one in meeting with fannie and freddie saying 'you're doing a good job'. Guilty by association is not the way McCain needs to run this.

If you can put Obama in the Conservatory with the Candlestick then you have something. Everything else is debatable. There will always be someone to spin or misdirect or redirect...focus..focus..focus. Economy, taxes, health care. That's the only way for McCain to win.

And I will say it again, I'm sorry. But has there been an ACTUAL vote I'm NOT aware of that has already taken place???
You can do all the polls you want. They don't mean jack ****. There are thousands of people with unlisted phone numbers, no phones etc!! My inlaws being just one of them. So I'm sorry till NOV. do you know something we don't. Like is he rigging the votes?

[whatever]

I don't believe for one second that he tossed her under the bus, tried to gain sympathy, etc...He was explaining the racial climate at that time. I remember it all too well. His grandmother used racial epithets out of ignorance and not malice. Disowning one's grandmother because of her ignorance at the time would have been the REAL throwing of her under the bus. People used slurs like that as part of normal conversation back then. The political correctness that we have today wasn't remotely there. He can put his grandmother on a pedestal and still say that those words were hurtful but did not diminish his love for her. Nothing wrong with that. If people cut off everyone that insulted them, said something out of igorance, etc...we'd all be living alone.

We don't know that she actually did!!! He just says so. I'm sorry Just because he says so doesn't make it so..............I tend NOT To believe it. Esp. on the facts that have come out about his father.

[speedygirl]

We don't know that she actually did!!! He just says so. I'm sorry Just because he says so doesn't make it so..............I tend NOT To believe it. Esp. on the facts that have come out about his father.

He said it and one can make that choice to believe or not to believe. I tend to because in the climate at that time it was prevelent. My cousin married an African American in the 70's and my aunt and uncle claimed they loved him like a son but still used racial slurs. So it is not out of the realm of possibilty that it did occur.

[ahippiechic]

My great grandmother had never been outside of the little middle TN hollar she was born in. She was the sweetest woman I have ever met and loved everyone, no matter the color. BUT she called black people 'n iggers'. Because growing up, that is the only thing she had ever heard them called and didn't know any better. I remember trying to explain to her why it was offensive and she understood that, but it was a very hard habit for her to break.

[speedygirl]

My great grandmother had never been outside of the little middle TN hollar she was born in. She was the sweetest woman I have ever met and loved everyone, no matter the color. BUT she called black people 'n iggers'. Because growing up, that is the only thing she had ever heard them called and didn't know any better. I remember trying to explain to her why it was offensive and she understood that, but it was a very hard habit for her to break.

Thank you. That's the exact point I was trying to make. Some say that they doubted that Obama's grandmother ever said it and used that as a sympathy ploy. I tried to cite examples of how it was very much the norm and your great grandmother is a perfect example. Lots of good people said those sorts of things because they didn't know better.

[janelle]

I think Obama's grandmother is still alive and living in Hawaii. I saw a video he had once and it showed her for like a nanosecond. They have pics of his father's mother on the web and the story of when he went to Africa to find his roots. He met his father only once in his life but he identifies more with that side of him.

I sure wish he would identify with his white grandparents since they raised him. I think he could do a lot of healing of the racial divide in our country if he showed equal love for both grandparents. He had a white mother and a black father like many in our country so why not show it is ok to be both? There is black racism even though some think that can't happen so he might not want to be called an oreo. ???

[speedygirl]

I think Obama's grandmother is still alive and living in Hawaii. I saw a video he had once and it showed her for like a nanosecond. They have pics of his father's mother on the web and the story of when he went to Africa to find his roots. He met his father only once in his life but he identifies more with that side of him.

I sure wish he would identify with his white grandparents since they raised him. I think he could do a lot of healing of the racial divide in our country if he showed equal love for both grandparents. He had a white mother and a black father like many in our country so why not show it is ok to be both? There is black racism even though some think that can't happen so he might not want to be called an oreo. ???

Madelyn Lee Payne Dunham (born October 26, 1922)[3] and Stanley Armour Dunham (March 23, 1918 – February 8, 1992) are the maternal grandparents of Barack Obama, the United States Senator from Illinois and Democratic nominee in the 2008 U.S. presidential election. They raised Obama from age 10 in their Honolulu, Hawaii apartment, where the widowed Mrs. Dunham still lives today, in the same city as Obama's half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng

The rest is here;


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madelyn_and_Stanley_Dunham


his paternal grandmother's in Africa.

[DrHolliday]

Speaking of Hawaii, doesn't anyone find it odd that Obama STILL hasn't provided proof that he was born in the United States?

How hard is it to provide a birth certificate? I mean, he's the Messiah after all right? He should be able to create one out of thin air. :star:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/this_could_be_the_game_changer.html

[ahippiechic]

He has proved where he was born.

[LuvBigRip]

He has provided it.

[DrHolliday]

He has proved where he was born.

Link?

[LuvBigRip]

Link?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

[LuvBigRip]

(CNN) — A new average of the most recent national polls suggests Sen. Barack Obama holds a 6-point lead over Sen. John McCain.

The CNN Poll of Polls, compiled Friday morning, indicates that 49 percent of Americans say Obama, D-Illinois, is their choice for president, with 43 percent backing McCain, R-Arizona. Eight percent of those questioned are undecided.

The previous edition, compiled Thursday, indicated Obama had an 8-point lead over McCain, 50-42 percent.

This edition of the CNN Poll of Polls averaged four surveys: an American Research Group poll conducted October 11-13; a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby survey taken October 13-16; a Gallup poll conducted October 13-15; and a Diageo/Hotline survey taken October 13-15.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/17/obamas-lead-falls-two-points-in-new-cnn-poll-of-polls/