Why the friends you make matter

[anothersta]

One of the perhaps most confusing sub-texts of the 2008 election has been the curious and in some cases surprising support that the candidates have and have not received from evangelical Christians. But if one looks at the record, and not merely the high rhetoric one thing for certain should be easily distinguishable - Barack Obama's record of votes, his view of government, and the ideas to which he aligns himself do not match the values, principles, and truths for biblical Christians.

Understanding this to be the case, and knowing that biblical Christians have a responsibility to act as wise stewards when casting their votes (render to Caesar, in our nation 'We the People' are Caesar etc.) it become imperative to speak with clarity on the issue.

For these few weeks my column will examine the most egregious examples of where Obama's record violates values, principles, and biblical truth.

Would you allow a racist, a terrorist, a convicted felon, or an organization that has taken the act of shake-down to such a new art form that they bankrupted the world in the process, to befriend your kids?

Put a different way, if a local personality--who was well known for believing that the color of his skin was superior, and in fact attempted to re-write the totality of scripture so that only people who looked like him were good, and everyone who looked differently were evil--would you let that man in your home? Would you allow him to dine and make conversation with those you love most? Would you pack your family up in the car and head to a meeting where this man could spew such vile hate from a pulpit... every week for twenty years? And would it never cause you once to blush from shame?

Or how 'bout this...

Would you allow someone who bombed three of our most precious landmarks in our nation's capital to come for a youth retreat held in your community? Would you allow someone who once bombed a judge's home help shape the thinking of the next generation? Would you feel comfortable allowing that person to have nearly unaccountable opportunity to put materials in front of public school students if you knew that on the very day that America would suffer its greatest loss of civilian life, in the most brutal fashion possible that this same person pined in the New York Times that he wished he could have carried out more bombings? Would it make sense to put such a person in charge of "educational" initiatives?

How do you feel about jailbait? You like your kids hanging out with those who spend time in prison? Do you hope that they befriend the local drug dealer and accept favors from them? Is it your dream as a Dad to see little Susie come home one day and proclaim her love and allegiance to an ex-con?

And how's the pocket book friend...

I checked my 401k before writing this piece and yes I've lost something like 37% of my retirement in something like four days, and from the highs a year ago - I'm down something like 50%. The question is though, "Would I allow my children to associate with one of the characters that really helped usher it in?" See most of this collapse has happened because companies were made to write horrible mortgages and offer them to people who by rights should be living in public housing. And less you think that's racist - it has nothing to do with the color of your skin. What it has everything to do with is your ability to commit to a payment cycle that you by definition would be unable to do if you do not work, do not look for work, and feel fine with not working. In other words: scallywags got given homes that they could not pay for, and when the people involved defaulted on those promises to pay the death star blew up.

But let me back up a second. If you knew that somebody had coerced these banks into making these loans - how would you feel about such a person? Would you let your kids take an economics class from them? How about a class in law school?

See Barack Obama has lesser judgement than you, because while you would never associate with a racist - he let himself be mentored by one: Dr. Jeremiah Wright. While you love your country and grieved the loss of 9.11.2001, Barack Obama has had a close relationship with someone who told all of America on 9.11 that he wished he could have terrorized the nation more. In fact Obama let this terrorist raise money for him, he served with him on two different boards, and they even partnered together to help infect the educational system in Chicago. Obama believed he could keep it quiet, and has repeatedly lied about his ties to this terrorist: William Ayers. Obama entered into deals he knew were shady with the now convicted felon: Tony Rezko. And it is now being revealed that Barack Obama helped the organization ACORN shakedown the banks that eventually caused the markets to lose nearly 9 trillion dollars of savings, retirement, and investment just this week.

Perhaps you would allow your children to be influenced by someone who doesn't share your worldview on every bit of minutia. But it is doubtful you would allow them to mix and mingle with this sort of human form of pond scum.

And if that's the case, why would you want to elect someone for president who sees nothing wrong with what these types of people engage in?

http://townhall.com/columnists/KevinMcCullough/2008/10/12/why_the_friends_you_make_matter?page=1

[Bahet]

Ok, I am now convinced that those who say they are McCain supporters are actually Obama supporters. I've never seen agroup of people do more damage to the chances for their supposed candidate than McCain supporters do. They lie, mislead, spew petty irrelevant drivel, blow the stupidest things out of proportion, and harp on the most insiginificant stuff to te point that even those of us who are planning to vote for McCain are finding ourselves forced to defend Obama. So congratulations, your tactics are working. Obama is pulling ahead in the polls because you (general) are practically throwing voters who are on the fence over into the Obama camp.

I'm planning to vote for McCain but if it wasn't for the supposed McCain supporters I'd have no doubts about that. As it stands the more things I read from people who are voting for McCain the further away I am being pushed. No, Obama hasn't been all candy and sunshine in his ads. But he and his supporters aren't accusing McCain of being a Vietcong sympathizer because he voted to stop looking for POWs and told those families to "get over it." Obama's people aren't making stuff up about McCain full of blatant lies and turning it into mass email forwards. And they aren't threatening his life and shouting "Kill him!"

If Obama wins it will be because of crap like that. And it's being spewed by those who supposedly don't want him to win. Go figure.

[janelle]

Does anyone watch FOX news? They made a good point that there are always your whacked out person at rallies. They will yell just about anything from the crowd. I thought McCain did a good job in defending Obama when that one woman said Obama was an Arab. So see, even McCain holds up for Obama when it gets ridiculous.

But both sides are throwing around accusations. Of course, Obama knows better than to ridicule McCain on anything from the Vietnam war when he was a prisoner for five years. That would be just dumb.

If people think Obama is being picked on and it's racist when asked about his past and his association with ACORN, then they don't really want to know about him or his involvement. That is dumb not to know before voting for him.

[atprm]

Ok, I am now convinced that those who say they are McCain supporters are actually Obama supporters. I've never seen agroup of people do more damage to the chances for their supposed candidate than McCain supporters do. They lie, mislead, spew petty irrelevant drivel, blow the stupidest things out of proportion, and harp on the most insiginificant stuff to te point that even those of us who are planning to vote for McCain are finding ourselves forced to defend Obama. So congratulations, your tactics are working. Obama is pulling ahead in the polls because you (general) are practically throwing voters who are on the fence over into the Obama camp.

I'm planning to vote for McCain but if it wasn't for the supposed McCain supporters I'd have no doubts about that. As it stands the more things I read from people who are voting for McCain the further away I am being pushed. No, Obama hasn't been all candy and sunshine in his ads. But he and his supporters aren't accusing McCain of being a Vietcong sympathizer because he voted to stop looking for POWs and told those families to "get over it." Obama's people aren't making stuff up about McCain full of blatant lies and turning it into mass email forwards. And they aren't threatening his life and shouting "Kill him!"

If Obama wins it will be because of crap like that. And it's being spewed by those who supposedly don't want him to win. Go figure.

I see your point, however ...

if these are just words on a page, and you are going to vote one or another -- why would these words on BBS hold any meaning for you.

It's not up to BBS to determine the next POTUS. It is up to every single individual, who is of voting age (and who is legally registered) to do their own digging and find the truths for themselves to make an educated decision come election day.

Just as you can't rely on MSM to gather your eggs for you...you can't rely on posts at BBS to fulfill the need that only you can do for yourself and your family.

[Bahet]

I see your point, however ...

if these are just words on a page, and you are going to vote one or another -- why would these words on BBS hold any meaning for you.

It's not up to BBS to determine the next POTUS. It is up to every single individual, who is of voting age (and who is legally registered) to do their own digging and find the truths for themselves to make an educated decision come election day.

Just as you can't rely on MSM to gather your eggs for you...you can't rely on posts at BBS to fulfill the need that only you can do for yourself and your family.

Well... duh. But when I see such drivel spewed constantly, especially when I see pathetic attempts to make him out to be a terrorist (such as your avatar) I feel sympathy for the man and feel the need to correct such information lest someone actually believe he is a Muslim terrorist who was put through college by OBL himself and who had last Thanksgiving dinner with a table full of Hamas people where they burned the flag and gave thanks to Allah for all the dead soldiers.

If people don't want to vote for the man that's fine by me. I'm not planing to vote for him myself. But at least vote against him for real reasons and not because some idiot on the internet spewed that he's a terrorist. I'm fully capable of making up my mind based on research but obviously there are a lot of people out there who believe the lies and misinformation.

[SurferGirl]

Ok, I am now convinced that those who say they are McCain supporters are actually Obama supporters. I've never seen agroup of people do more damage to the chances for their supposed candidate than McCain supporters do. They lie, mislead, spew petty irrelevant drivel, blow the stupidest things out of proportion, and harp on the most insiginificant stuff to te point that even those of us who are planning to vote for McCain are finding ourselves forced to defend Obama. So congratulations, your tactics are working. Obama is pulling ahead in the polls because you (general) are practically throwing voters who are on the fence over into the Obama camp.

I'm planning to vote for McCain but if it wasn't for the supposed McCain supporters I'd have no doubts about that. As it stands the more things I read from people who are voting for McCain the further away I am being pushed. No, Obama hasn't been all candy and sunshine in his ads. But he and his supporters aren't accusing McCain of being a Vietcong sympathizer because he voted to stop looking for POWs and told those families to "get over it." Obama's people aren't making stuff up about McCain full of blatant lies and turning it into mass email forwards. And they aren't threatening his life and shouting "Kill him!"

If Obama wins it will be because of crap like that. And it's being spewed by those who supposedly don't want him to win. Go figure.

McCain supporters aren't trying to throw the election by using mob tactics and registering non existent voters and other voters hundreds of times.
Look at the Obama supporter that is secretary of state for Ohio and she is refusing to purge all the illegal registrations and ballots.

That is steeling one of your rights from you. Your right to vote and your right to have your vote count.

[SurferGirl]

Well... duh. But when I see such drivel spewed constantly, especially when I see pathetic attempts to make him out to be a terrorist (such as your avatar) I feel sympathy for the man and feel the need to correct such information lest someone actually believe he is a Muslim terrorist who was put through college by OBL himself and who had last Thanksgiving dinner with a table full of Hamas people where they burned the flag and gave thanks to Allah for all the dead soldiers.

If people don't want to vote for the man that's fine by me. I'm not planing to vote for him myself. But at least vote against him for real reasons and not because some idiot on the internet spewed that he's a terrorist. I'm fully capable of making up my mind based on research but obviously there are a lot of people out there who believe the lies and misinformation.

Look at this one link please, I don't think the picture will copy.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2011509/posts

That shows a picture of Ayers in 2001 stomping on a U.S. Flag.

Now should we discuss his beloved group ACORN that is responsible for the financial meltdown by demanding these high risk loans. Look at how they are depriving you of your right to vote by using mob tactics to stuff ballot boxes. Your tax dollars support groups like this. I'm beginning to feel that ACORN is it's own form of terrorist group.

[Bahet]

Look at this one link please, I don't think the picture will copy.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2011509/posts

That shows a picture of Ayers in 2001 stomping on a U.S. Flag.

Now should we discuss his beloved group ACORN that is responsible for the financial meltdown by demanding these high risk loans. Look at how they are depriving you of your right to vote by using mob tactics to stuff ballot boxes. Your tax dollars support groups like this. I'm beginning to feel that ACORN is it's own form of terrorist group.

Well, I'll make sure to never vote for Ayers for President. I don't judge people by the people they know or even associate with. I am friends with athiests and fundies. I was friends with a woman who stole $7000 from the PTO. I'm sure if I ever run for President someone, somewhere will dig that up and slam me for who I associated with.

Steven Colbert did a bit on his show the other night. He said he had both Barack and Michelle Obama on his show. Then he pulled out a gun and "shot" an audience member. He went on to say "See! Obama associates with people who go around shooting random people! He must be a terrorist!" That's the way I see this Ayers bit. Unless Obama was there with him or said that he thinks it's a dandy idea, then it shouldn't fall onto his shoulders what someone he knows does. McCain knows enough low lifes and less than moral people himself. Heck, he's friends with Bush. If I judged him based on who he associates with I'd never vote for him based on that alone. But I judge people on their own merits, not the actions of everyone they've ever been introduced to.

[ahippiechic]

Well, I'll make sure to never vote for Ayers for President. I don't judge people by the people they know or even associate with. I am friends with athiests and fundies. I was friends with a woman who stole $7000 from the PTO. I'm sure if I ever run for President someone, somewhere will dig that up and slam me for who I associated with.

Steven Colbert did a bit on his show the other night. He said he had both Barack and Michelle Obama on his show. Then he pulled out a gun and "shot" an audience member. He went on to say "See! Obama associates with people who go around shooting random people! He must be a terrorist!" That's the way I see this Ayers bit. Unless Obama was there with him or said that he thinks it's a dandy idea, then it shouldn't fall onto his shoulders what someone he knows does. McCain knows enough low lifes and less than moral people himself. Heck, he's friends with Bush. If I judged him based on who he associates with I'd never vote for him based on that alone. But I judge people on their own merits, not the actions of everyone they've ever been introduced to.


I totally agree.

BTW, I'm voting for Steven Colbert for prez.

[Bahet]

John Stewart and Steven Colbert for President and VP. I don't care which is which. They'd have my vote.

[ahippiechic]

John Stewart and Steven Colbert for President and VP. I don't care which is which. They'd have my vote.

Mine too.

Kinda OT but I was just talking to my neighbors about the election. They said Obama scared them, lol! They're voting McCain/Palin. They are black and we live in a semi-ghetto I guess you'd call it.

[atprm]

well I am so sorry that you are offended by my avatar -- whoopie ding dong, that will just have to be something you look past.

My avatar doesnt say he is a terrorist -- the picture is of a Muslim. If you think that the picture looks like a terrorist, I don't suggest a trip to Dearborn, Mi anytime soon because that's predominately the dresscode there.

if you are finding terrorist with just the picture, isn't that profiling?

[janelle]

Well... duh. But when I see such drivel spewed constantly, especially when I see pathetic attempts to make him out to be a terrorist (such as your avatar) I feel sympathy for the man and feel the need to correct such information lest someone actually believe he is a Muslim terrorist who was put through college by OBL himself and who had last Thanksgiving dinner with a table full of Hamas people where they burned the flag and gave thanks to Allah for all the dead soldiers.

If people don't want to vote for the man that's fine by me. I'm not planing to vote for him myself. But at least vote against him for real reasons and not because some idiot on the internet spewed that he's a terrorist. I'm fully capable of making up my mind based on research but obviously there are a lot of people out there who believe the lies and misinformation.

I'm not voting for him for good reasons. He is a socialist verging on communism. I don't care about any of his friends or what they say, I can hear what he is from his own words. A capitalist nation cannot survive by becoming socialist. He will tax our jobs away. Sounds good when you say it but put it in action and see how many companies go to other countries.

[janelle]

Well, I'll make sure to never vote for Ayers for President. I don't judge people by the people they know or even associate with. I am friends with athiests and fundies. I was friends with a woman who stole $7000 from the PTO. I'm sure if I ever run for President someone, somewhere will dig that up and slam me for who I associated with.

Steven Colbert did a bit on his show the other night. He said he had both Barack and Michelle Obama on his show. Then he pulled out a gun and "shot" an audience member. He went on to say "See! Obama associates with people who go around shooting random people! He must be a terrorist!" That's the way I see this Ayers bit. Unless Obama was there with him or said that he thinks it's a dandy idea, then it shouldn't fall onto his shoulders what someone he knows does. McCain knows enough low lifes and less than moral people himself. Heck, he's friends with Bush. If I judged him based on who he associates with I'd never vote for him based on that alone. But I judge people on their own merits, not the actions of everyone they've ever been introduced to.

That is just too stupid what Colbert did. You can't help if an acquaintance makes a bad judgment but you can disassociate yourself from them when they keep doing it.

Ayers preaches radicalism and worked on a program with Obama for the grade school children. Start them young you know. Even Oprah saw who Wright was and stopped going around him.

It's one thing when you have friends who have made mistakes in life but actually working with them while they are still radical and saying they wish they could have done more (bombings) like Ayers said after 9/11 is just stupid. And then when questioned about it say you hardly know the person. That makes the person dumb and I don't want a stupid president. Then the liberal media treat him like the second coming.

[Bahet]

well I am so sorry that you are offended by my avatar -- whoopie ding dong, that will just have to be something you look past.

My avatar doesnt say he is a terrorist -- the picture is of a Muslim. If you think that the picture looks like a terrorist, I don't suggest a trip to Dearborn, Mi anytime soon because that's predominately the dresscode there.

if you are finding terrorist with just the picture, isn't that profiling?

I'm not offended. I just think it's puerile. And I don't think Muslim = terrorist. I'm not the one spewing such stuff or photoshopping Muslim garb onto a picture of a non Muslim.

Oh, and I grew up near Dearborn, , moved down here from not far from there (Ford and Beck area), know a lot of people from there, my sister lived there, my 1st boyfriend lived there (Ford and Telegraph area), and I feel perfectly safe whenever I go back to MI and go around Dearborn. They have some wonderful ME markets and restaurants.

[atprm]

I know, you are from Canton... we had that discussion already.

However, it's deteriorated over the years. Ford and Graph is Dearborn Heights. Mich and Graph is Dearborn :).

the closer you get to the Greenfield area, the worse it gets.

Dearborn used to be VERY nice -- nowadays notsomuch.

[Bahet]

Yea, I know. It's Detroit Spread. My grandparents lived in Melvindale. It was an older neighborhood of older residents but they kept up their homes and it was a desirable location. Over the years it's gone downhill. Now it's a mess. The Detroit blight has spread all over the place. My grandparents had their 50t wedding anniversary at the Best Western on MI near Greenfield. It was really nice. I haven't been back there in about 10 years and the anniversary party was 20 years ago but even 10 years ago it had changed drastically and not for the better.

There are still some good markets and places to dine though and if you want good ME food, that's the place to go. Just like I wouldn't wander around Hamtramak anymore, it's still the place to go for Polish food. mmmmm

[SurferGirl]

Well... duh. But when I see such drivel spewed constantly, especially when I see pathetic attempts to make him out to be a terrorist (such as your avatar) I feel sympathy for the man and feel the need to correct such information lest someone actually believe he is a Muslim terrorist who was put through college by OBL himself and who had last Thanksgiving dinner with a table full of Hamas people where they burned the flag and gave thanks to Allah for all the dead soldiers.

If people don't want to vote for the man that's fine by me. I'm not planing to vote for him myself. But at least vote against him for real reasons and not because some idiot on the internet spewed that he's a terrorist. I'm fully capable of making up my mind based on research but obviously there are a lot of people out there who believe the lies and misinformation.


Actually the church he attended for the past 20 years seems to follow a theology much closer the to the Leader of the Nation of Islam than to Christianity.

[Bahet]

Depends on how you define "Christianity". If you are one of those who believe in the Bible literally and consider Catholics or Protestants or Lutherans or UU to not be "Christian" then I'm glad his church doesn't resemble "Christianity".

[YNKYH8R]

Ok, I am now convinced that those who say they are McCain supporters are actually Obama supporters. I've never seen agroup of people do more damage to the chances for their supposed candidate than McCain supporters do. They lie, mislead, spew petty irrelevant drivel, blow the stupidest things out of proportion, and harp on the most insiginificant stuff to te point that even those of us who are planning to vote for McCain are finding ourselves forced to defend Obama. So congratulations, your tactics are working. Obama is pulling ahead in the polls because you (general) are practically throwing voters who are on the fence over into the Obama camp.

I'm planning to vote for McCain but if it wasn't for the supposed McCain supporters I'd have no doubts about that. As it stands the more things I read from people who are voting for McCain the further away I am being pushed. No, Obama hasn't been all candy and sunshine in his ads. But he and his supporters aren't accusing McCain of being a Vietcong sympathizer because he voted to stop looking for POWs and told those families to "get over it." Obama's people aren't making stuff up about McCain full of blatant lies and turning it into mass email forwards. And they aren't threatening his life and shouting "Kill him!"

If Obama wins it will be because of crap like that. And it's being spewed by those who supposedly don't want him to win. Go figure.That's why McCain said the things he said about Obama to defend him he doesn't want to be tied to the negative inaccurate slandering lies that exist out there. Things are misconstrued and presented in a wrong and an unfair manner. Attack his voting record, or his policies but not who he is as person. You don't see Obama supports picking up a microphone and spewing garbage about McCain..and Obama would stop them too.

It seems some people's idea is if you can't beat him scare the crap out of the voters.

[SurferGirl]

Depends on how you define "Christianity". If you are one of those who believe in the Bible literally and consider Catholics or Protestants or Lutherans or UU to not be "Christian" then I'm glad his church doesn't resemble "Christianity".

You think radical groups that want to destroy white people are better.

Some examples
http://www.noi.org/history_of_noi.htm

http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/
Black Panther Theory: The practices of the late Malcolm X were deeply rooted in the theoretical foundations of the Black Panther Party. Malcolm had represented both a militant revolutionary, with the dignity and self-respect to stand up and fight to win equality for all oppressed minorities; while also being an outstanding role model, someone who sought to bring about positive social services; something the Black Panthers would take to new heights. The Panthers followed Malcolm's belief of international working class unity across the spectrum of color and gender, and thus united with various minority and white revolutionary groups. From the tenets of Maoism they set the role of their Party as the vanguard of the revolution and worked to establish a united front, while from Marxism they addressed the capitalist economic system, embraced the theory of dialectical materialism, and represented the need for all workers to forcefully take over the means of production.
http://www.adl.org/special_reports/farrakhan_own_words2/farrakhan_own_words.asp
Farrakhan In His Own Words Introduction
UPDATED: January 6, 2008

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For nearly 30 years, Louis Farrakhan has marked himself a notable figure on the extremist scene by making hateful statements targeting Jews, whites and homosexuals.

Farrakhan’s bigoted and anti-Semitic rhetoric has included statements calling whites “blue eyed devils” and Jews “bloodsuckers” that controlled the slave trade, the government, the media and various Black individuals and organizations. In 2006, he blamed Jews and Israel for the war in Iraq, for controlling Hollywood and for promoting what he considers immorality during his February Saviours' Day address in Chicago.

In a 2007 interview with Arabic-language television news network Al Jazeera, Farrakhan accused Jews of anti-Semitism, charging that “The real anti-Semites are those who came out of Europe and settled in Palestine, and now they call themselves the true Jews, when in fact, they converted to Judaism.”

[jeanea33]

That's why McCain said the things he said about Obama to defend him he doesn't want to be tied to the negative inaccurate slandering lies that exist out there. Things are misconstrued and presented in a wrong and an unfair manner. Attack his voting record, or his policies but not who he is as person. You don't see Obama supports picking up a microphone and spewing garbage about McCain..and Obama would stop them too.

It seems some people's idea is if you can't beat him scare the crap out of the voters.


You really think Obama would stand up for Mccain? Obama avoids subjects like Ayers,Wright,Farrakan and lets not forget Accorn. So defending anything or anyone isnt his way. He avoids and hopes it goes away. Even when Obama found out he defended him, he ended up making it a point in his speech. He didnt thank him, it was turned into a snide remark.

[Bahet]

You think radical groups that want to destroy white people are better.

That's not even remotely what I said. I said it depends on if you define Christianity as someone who believes in Christ or as one small subset of people who believe in Christ who also just happen to worship the way you do.

I didn't know Obama was a Black Panther. I thought they were all but gone before he was even in jr high. Or is that another example of the actions of everyone he has ever had contact with, even if he was a child, are all attributed to him?

[YNKYH8R]

Does anyone watch FOX news? They made a good point that there are always your whacked out person at rallies. They will yell just about anything from the crowd. I thought McCain did a good job in defending Obama when that one woman said Obama was an Arab. So see, even McCain holds up for Obama when it gets ridiculous.

But both sides are throwing around accusations. Of course, Obama knows better than to ridicule McCain on anything from the Vietnam war when he was a prisoner for five years. That would be just dumb.

If people think Obama is being picked on and it's racist when asked about his past and his association with ACORN, then they don't really want to know about him or his involvement. That is dumb not to know before voting for him.I did for a few months over the summer and early fall...it's like watching the Obama network; seems like that is all they talk about.

It's like they're....obsessed.

[SurferGirl]

That's not even remotely what I said. I said it depends on if you define Christianity as someone who believes in Christ or as one small subset of people who believe in Christ who also just happen to worship the way you do.

I didn't know Obama was a Black Panther. I thought they were all but gone before he was even in jr high. Or is that another example of the actions of everyone he has ever had contact with, even if he was a child, are all attributed to him?


[edit] Legacy

Black Panther 40th Reunion 2006The National Alliance of Black Panthers was formed on July 31, 2004. It was inspired by the grassroots activism of the original organization but not otherwise related. Its chairwoman is Shazza Nzingha.

In October 2006, the Black Panther Party held a 40-year reunion in Oakland, California. [52]

In January 2007, a joint California state and Federal task force charged eight men with the 1971 murder of a California police officer.[53] The defendants have been identified as former members of the Black Liberation Army. Two have been linked to the Black Panthers.[54] In 1975 a similar case was dismissed when a judge ruled that police gathered evidence through the use of torture.[55]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party

[edit] New Black Panther Party
See also: New Black Panther Party
In 1989, a group calling themselves the New Black Panther Party (NBPP) was formed in Dallas, TX. Ten years later, the NBPP became home to many former Nation of Islam members when the chairmanship was taken by Khalid Abdul Muhammad. Members of the original Black Panther Party have insisted that this party is illegitimate and have strongly objected that there "is no new Black Panther Party".[56]

[Bahet]

Was Obama there? Is he their grand poobah? Or, again, is this another example of the actions of everyone he ever knew will be held against him even if he had nothing to do with it?

Do you work with anyone who cheats on their spouse or their taxes? Have any of your friends or family ever stolen a pack of gum? Does that mean you associate with criminals and adulterers? Or does that mean you are just unable to control the actions of those around you even if you find them morally or criminally wrong?

[ilovecats]

[edit] Legacy

Black Panther 40th Reunion 2006The National Alliance of Black Panthers was formed on July 31, 2004. It was inspired by the grassroots activism of the original organization but not otherwise related. Its chairwoman is Shazza Nzingha.

In October 2006, the Black Panther Party held a 40-year reunion in Oakland, California. [52]

In January 2007, a joint California state and Federal task force charged eight men with the 1971 murder of a California police officer.[53] The defendants have been identified as former members of the Black Liberation Army. Two have been linked to the Black Panthers.[54] In 1975 a similar case was dismissed when a judge ruled that police gathered evidence through the use of torture.[55]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party

[edit] New Black Panther Party
See also: New Black Panther Party
In 1989, a group calling themselves the New Black Panther Party (NBPP) was formed in Dallas, TX. Ten years later, the NBPP became home to many former Nation of Islam members when the chairmanship was taken by Khalid Abdul Muhammad. Members of the original Black Panther Party have insisted that this party is illegitimate and have strongly objected that there "is no new Black Panther Party".[56]

Oh my!Actual proof that Obama is a black panther.Thank you so much for opening my eyes!

[YNKYH8R]

[edit] Legacy

Black Panther 40th Reunion 2006The National Alliance of Black Panthers was formed on July 31, 2004. It was inspired by the grassroots activism of the original organization but not otherwise related. Its chairwoman is Shazza Nzingha.

In October 2006, the Black Panther Party held a 40-year reunion in Oakland, California. [52]

In January 2007, a joint California state and Federal task force charged eight men with the 1971 murder of a California police officer.[53] The defendants have been identified as former members of the Black Liberation Army. Two have been linked to the Black Panthers.[54] In 1975 a similar case was dismissed when a judge ruled that police gathered evidence through the use of torture.[55]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party

[edit] New Black Panther Party
See also: New Black Panther Party
In 1989, a group calling themselves the New Black Panther Party (NBPP) was formed in Dallas, TX. Ten years later, the NBPP became home to many former Nation of Islam members when the chairmanship was taken by Khalid Abdul Muhammad. Members of the original Black Panther Party have insisted that this party is illegitimate and have strongly objected that there "is no new Black Panther Party".[56]Now isn't that odd..my grandmother's maiden name was Nzingha. I wonder if we're related?

[speedygirl]

Oh my!Actual proof that Obama is a black panther.Thank you so much for opening my eyes!

Too funny, LOL. and I went to my mother's 50 year class reunion with her so I guess I'm really 68. I also went to a restaurant and was introduced to someone who had questionable connections, I guess I'm tied to the mob now. lol. The logic that some people have boggles the mind. If they're going to state something that they perceive as a truth at least have the resources back to it up correctly, lol. Just because the New Black Panther Party endorsed Obama it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can endorse any candidate without persmission. What makes me shake my head is that some people are ignorant enough to believe some of these half truths or full out lies without taking time to research it on their own.

[Bahet]

I guess that makes me a college professor, a congressman, a mayor, a business owner, and a doctor. I wonder if I can cash those paychecks?

[SurferGirl]

You really don't get it do you. Maybe you should do a little research on Obama's past. He has a long history of seeking out radical extremists.
Google Frank Marshall Davis, who was a registered Communist and Obama refered to him in one of his books.

He has a lifetime of people that are against capitalism and into socialism, marxism and communism. He wants to change our country ask your self what does he want to change it to.

[SurferGirl]

Our economy is in trouble now because of high risk loans that were pushed to get people into homes that had no means of paying for these loans.
The group ACORN would use mob tactics to intimidate banks and bankers to give these loans.

In fact I really want to see some of the corporate jerks go to prison and they should pay that money back that they got it in outrageous salary and golden parachutes.

I also think some Democrats like Barney Frank and Dodd and Pelosi should do some serious prison time for their part in all this mess.

THIS WHOLE MESS WAS BROUGHT ON BY SOME CROOKS AND MANY OF THE CROOKS ARE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
If Obama gets in these crooks will get away with it and will be back in the house and senate.
People lost their saving in Fanny Mae but Obama got over 126,000. Does that sound fair or right to you.

[speedygirl]

You really don't get it do you. Maybe you should do a little research on Obama's past. He has a long history of seeking out radical extremists.
Google Frank Marshall Davis, who was a registered Communist and Obama refered to him in one of his books.

He has a lifetime of people that are against capitalism and into socialism, marxism and communism. He wants to change our country ask your self what does he want to change it to.

Oh, but I do! My point is not believe everything you see posted on a message board because people have their own opinions and slant them just like the media does.
Maybe you shouldn't ASSume that that I haven't done research on Obama's past or McCain's for that matter. If you bothered to read my posts and quite a few others, you won't find us spreading nonsense that is either speculation or not true. For example as in.. can you say the quote "God Damn America", lol, especially since that wasn't the quote but part of a sentence that was conveniently cut off.
I will continue to do my research and not listen to the words of a misinformed few.
BTW, I don't need to Google Frank Marshall Davis, I am well aware of who he is without the aid of Google, thank you.I read Dreams from My Father. How old was Obama during his association with Davis? I'll let you do the research, I already know. ;)
Another btw I have the right as an American to vote for who I choose and am not stupid enough to be coerced or swayed by half truths.

[SurferGirl]

Don't come crying to me because I did warn you.
Also I remember Obama's preacher with all his hatred I remember seeing the youtube videos of that hate monger.
That man was so full of evil and hate and he calls himself a preacher.

[speedygirl]

Don't come crying to me because I did warn you.
Also I remember Obama's preacher with all his hatred I remember seeing the youtube videos of that hate monger.
That man was so full of evil and hate and he calls himself a preacher.

LOL I highly doubt I'd come crying to you (or anyone). I'm a big girl who can handle what comes my way. I don't cry, I become proactive. ;) And if you've read my previous posts on the subject of Rev Wright, I've stated numerous times that I think he's evil. My point again was that people are posting half statements, misinformation and so forth and there are some that are gullible enough to believe it. I'd love to see everyone eat crow for half of this BS posted, b/c if that was the case it'd mean our country was heading back on the right track.

[SurferGirl]

I haven't had enough time to read every post.
I did read that Rev. Wrights church endorsed the Black Panther Party and also Louis Farrakhan the leader of the Nation of Islam.
I have also researched the fact that Obama seems very impressed with Marxism and socialism and communism. These are things that I'm so set against.
There are many things that Obama is for that I am very strongly against.
He is the opposite of what my ideals are.

[speedygirl]

I haven't had enough time to read every post.
I did read that Rev. Wrights church endorsed the Black Panther Party and also Louis Farrakhan the leader of the Nation of Islam.
I have also researched the fact that Obama seems very impressed with Marxism and socialism and communism. These are things that I'm so set against.
There are many things that Obama is for that I am very strongly against.
He is the opposite of what my ideals are.

And he has things I'm against as well as McCain but I'm not going to think that everything everyone says is a vast right or left wing conspiracy and that it's gospel truth. And I do take issue when people attribute things to me that I didn't say or don't believe in.

[Bahet]

Actually, this whole economic mess is from a number of factors not the least of which is deregulation which McCain voted for. No one was forced to buy a home they couldn't afford. They wanted to keep up with the Joneses and the bank execs wanted more money. Corporate greed and deregulation are far more responsible for the economic mess than people who couldn't afford thir homes. Don't get me wrong, they aren't innocent but it's like blaming the guy who sold the get away car to bank robbers who killed the tellers. If he hadn't sold it to them someone else would have because the bank robbers wanted their money and needed a car to do it.

[jbbarn]

That's why McCain said the things he said about Obama to defend him he doesn't want to be tied to the negative inaccurate slandering lies that exist out there. Things are misconstrued and presented in a wrong and an unfair manner. Attack his voting record, or his policies but not who he is as person. You don't see Obama supports picking up a microphone and spewing garbage about McCain..and Obama would stop them too.

It seems some people's idea is if you can't beat him scare the crap out of the voters.

Obama doesn't want to talk about his voting record and God only knows what his policies consist of!

[SurferGirl]

For your information some republicans wanted to vote in some regulations that would have prevented some of this, in fact McCain was a co sponsor of the bill.

The democrats voted it down, they had control.
Remember good old Barney Franks and some other democrats.

[SurferGirl]

Actually, this whole economic mess is from a number of factors not the least of which is deregulation which McCain voted for. No one was forced to buy a home they couldn't afford. They wanted to keep up with the Joneses and the bank execs wanted more money. Corporate greed and deregulation are far more responsible for the economic mess than people who couldn't afford thir homes. Don't get me wrong, they aren't innocent but it's like blaming the guy who sold the get away car to bank robbers who killed the tellers. If he hadn't sold it to them someone else would have because the bank robbers wanted their money and needed a car to do it.

Bahet, I'm not really sure how old you are but perhaps your parents can explain how all the high risk loans got started. EDITED.

[jbbarn]

For your information some republicans wanted to vote in some regulations that would have prevented some of this, in fact McCain was a co sponsor of the bill.

The democrats voted it down, they had control.
Remember good old Barney Franks and some other democrats.

Exactly right! Obama is trying so hard to turn this mess into a Republican screw-up. Meanwhile,the real culprits are either being ignored or rewarded.

[Bahet]

I'll be 39 on Halloween. I've also been in taxes and finance for 20 years. I'm not saying the homeowners aren't to blame. There is blame all around. I know how it all happened and it all boils down to greed - people wanting things they didn't earn.

[Bahet]

For your information some republicans wanted to vote in some regulations that would have prevented some of this, in fact McCain was a co sponsor of the bill.

The democrats voted it down, they had control.
Remember good old Barney Franks and some other democrats.

In 1999 the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act was passed, and voted in favor of by McCain. This act abolished all of the significant rules put in place at the time of the Great Depression designed to prevent a repeat. Specifically, this act destroyed the Depression-era barrier to the merger of stockbrokers, banks and insurance companies. Until last month McCain was in favor of the GLB Act. Now he says he wants to “put an end to the reckless conduct, corruption, and unbridled greed that have caused a crisis on Wall Street.”

I don't know what specific legislation you are referring to that McCain supposedly co-sponsored that would have put regulations in place that Dems voted down but if it was just in the past month, after McCain realized his grievous error, it was far too late to have prevented any of this mess.

[jbbarn]

Actually, this whole economic mess is from a number of factors not the least of which is deregulation which McCain voted for. No one was forced to buy a home they couldn't afford. They wanted to keep up with the Joneses and the bank execs wanted more money. Corporate greed and deregulation are far more responsible for the economic mess than people who couldn't afford thir homes. Don't get me wrong, they aren't innocent but it's like blaming the guy who sold the get away car to bank robbers who killed the tellers. If he hadn't sold it to them someone else would have because the bank robbers wanted their money and needed a car to do it.

Barney Frank
Nancy Pelosi
Chris Dodd
Chuck Shumer
Just a few of the usual suspects
McCain called for an investigation of Fannie and Freddy two or more years ago.He was ignored.Now thanks to some Democrats in Congress, the government may end up owning our banking system! This may not be a coincidence! Honestly bahet, whatever your political leanings may be, how could any thinking person not be terrified by the thought of that? Do you honestly want more gov't. interference in our lives? What if your too-powerful gov't. decided it didn't like you?

[SurferGirl]

This article might give you a little insight of how some of this originated.
Some of it originated a very long time ago.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2098513/posts

In 1938, the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) was created by then-President Franklin D. Roosevelt (another Democrat) as a privately owned, government-sponsored enterprise. Its purpose was to provide local banks with federal money to finance mortgages in order to raise levels of home ownership.

In 1977, then-President Jimmy Carter signed into law the Community Reinvestment Act to pressure banks to create more affordable housing. The bill encouraged mortgage lenders such as Fannie Mae to give out home loans. In 1995, the Clinton administration instituted radical changes requiring strictly mathematical assessments to get a CRA rating using federal home-loan data, broken down by neighborhood, income and race. The law encouraged community groups to complain when banks were not loaning enough to specified groups. In other words, the Democrats put pressure on banks to loan money to high-risk borrowers.

Then, in 2002, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, appointed by former president Ronald Reagan, lowered the federal funds interest rate to 1 percent and kept it there for a year. Many borrowers took out adjustable rate mortgages based upon very low "teaser" rates. Because of the artificially low interest rates, investors were eager to get better returns. So, mortgage lenders packaged their mortgages and sold them to investment banks such as Bear Stearns, who sold these securities to investors.

The perfect storm was brewing. In 2002, a real boom in housing began because of these three factors: the Federal Reserve's easy money policy, Fannie Mae's policy of encouraging high-risk loans and the Community Reinvestment Act forcing banks to issue high-risk loans. These events set the stage for the financial meltdown for the housing, insurance and banking sectors that we are experiencing today.

[Bahet]

There are 3 branches of government - judicial (Supreme Court), legislative (congress and the senate), and executive (President, vp). The executive branch is Republican and has been for 8 years. The judicial branch doesn't (or isn't supposed to) have political leanings. The legislative branch has been controlled by Republicans in the vast majority for 6 of the past 8 years. For the past 2 years the Dems have controlled Congress by only a handful of members and the senate is split equally.

Either the Republicans are completely inept in that they could do nothing for 6 years and despite having executive control and near legislative equality they have not been able to accomplish anything for the past 2 years; or the Dems are so all powerful that in 2 short years with only a small handful more members they have mnaged to completely overrun the entire legislative and executive branch. Or there's always option 3 - they are all corrupt SOBs who are only looking out for their own interests and the interests of those who are looking out for them. Me? I'll take the 3rd door Chuck.

[Bahet]

This article might give you a little insight of how some of this originated.
Some of it originated a very long time ago.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2098513/posts

In 1938, the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) was created by then-President Franklin D. Roosevelt (another Democrat) as a privately owned, government-sponsored enterprise. Its purpose was to provide local banks with federal money to finance mortgages in order to raise levels of home ownership.

In 1977, then-President Jimmy Carter signed into law the Community Reinvestment Act to pressure banks to create more affordable housing. The bill encouraged mortgage lenders such as Fannie Mae to give out home loans. In 1995, the Clinton administration instituted radical changes requiring strictly mathematical assessments to get a CRA rating using federal home-loan data, broken down by neighborhood, income and race. The law encouraged community groups to complain when banks were not loaning enough to specified groups. In other words, the Democrats put pressure on banks to loan money to high-risk borrowers.

Then, in 2002, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, appointed by former president Ronald Reagan, lowered the federal funds interest rate to 1 percent and kept it there for a year. Many borrowers took out adjustable rate mortgages based upon very low "teaser" rates. Because of the artificially low interest rates, investors were eager to get better returns. So, mortgage lenders packaged their mortgages and sold them to investment banks such as Bear Stearns, who sold these securities to investors.

The perfect storm was brewing. In 2002, a real boom in housing began because of these three factors: the Federal Reserve's easy money policy, Fannie Mae's policy of encouraging high-risk loans and the Community Reinvestment Act forcing banks to issue high-risk loans. These events set the stage for the financial meltdown for the housing, insurance and banking sectors that we are experiencing today.

Overall factual but slightly skewed - the Clinton part was to prevent realtors from refusing to show homes in white neighborhoods to black couples and from allowing banks to refuse to loan to a black couple (or single person or gay couple, etc) when they would loan to a white couple with the same documentation and stats.

But again, it all boils down to greed. People wanted to keep up with the Joneses so they didn't care that they wouldn't be able to afford their home in 3 years. They wanted it NOW.

[anothersta]

I'll be 39 on Halloween. I've also been in taxes and finance for 20 years. I'm not saying the homeowners aren't to blame. There is blame all around. I know how it all happened and it all boils down to greed - people wanting things they didn't earn.


And people willing to force banks to give them to them. And people who teach organizations how to intimidate and bully banks into loaning the money to them. And a lawyer willing to represent that group in court FORCING banks to give the loans out. And, a treasury commissioner unwilling to regulate them (in fact loosen the ratio of liquidity that the insuring bank will have to have, so more money is available for these bad loans)

Then you had predatory brokers that couldn't write enough of these loans cause they knew the Insurance (FAn and Fred) had insiders in congress that wouldn't stop them. And if that didn't work, they could call in bully organizations to scare the banks into it or take them to court!

When Fan and Fred blew up, no one would buy these things and that was it. Kerplow! Kerplooey!

Housing bubble burst, companies had invested in these things, it spread worldwide. And it all started with a little thing in 1977 called the Community Reinvestment act.

Subprime lending caused this mess. and the dems in congress had their arms wrapped around it.

[SurferGirl]

This was way to long to copy this was one of the bills the republicans tried to get through.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/22/AR2005072202049.html

[anothersta]

the Clinton part was to prevent realtors from refusing to show homes in white neighborhoods to black couples and from allowing banks to refuse to loan to a black couple (or single person or gay couple, etc) when they would loan to a white couple with the same documentation and stats.


The Clinton part also made it possible for the banks to sell them to investment companies and that's where it gets so messy. When banks had to answer for these things, they were a little more careful.

And who cared, they were insured by Fannie Mae. The pot never runs dry, does it?

[SurferGirl]

This is another link and it provides additional information.
Please note the dates on these, they are in 2005

http://purplepeoplevote.com/2008/10/03/mccain-2005-reform-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/

[SurferGirl]

This link shows how Bush tried to get something done about this mess for almost his entire term of office. I didn't have time to look through everything but most of it agrees with the information that I have. I'm sure you can look for a sight more to your own liking by linking into one of these bills.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/bush-called-for-reform-of-fannie-mae.html

[SurferGirl]

This is a link that tell that McCain tried to do something about this in 2005.

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog_entry/ken_taylor/2008/09/17/john_mccain_warned_of_mortgage_collapse_in_2005
John McCain Warned Of Mortgage Collapse In 2005
By Ken Taylor - Posted on September 17th, 2008
Tagged: Op-Ed
Barack Obama has been playing off the fears that are running rampant in the market because of the collapse of several of Wall Streets major investment companies like Lehman Brothers. Attacking John McCain and trying to create the idea that McCain does not know what he is talking about and that he is ignorant when it comes to the economy.

For Mr. Obama's information John McCain saw this collapse coming as far back as 2005 and not only warned of the coming collapse but co-sponsored legislation to try and prevent it and go after the corruption that was causing much of the problem. Following is McCain's speech on the Senate floor during debate of Federal Housing Regulatory Act Of 2005 urging the Senate to pass the Act which fell to defeat after being blocked by Senate Democrats.

[Bahet]

No one forced anyone to buy a home they couldn't afford. When I talk about how our soldiers got screwed people cry "They knew what they were getting into. They knew they could be sent anywhere for any reason." Yet when people who are twice as old don't bother to read their mortgage documents and end up in a bad situation then it's the banks fault for bullying them. The recruiters don't bully and lie and if they do some 18yo should know better but Banks bully and lie and a 30 something is just a poor victim. Sorry, not buying it. People were greedy, banks were greedy, corporations were greedy, politicians were greedy. Now we're in a mess.

[jbbarn]

"People were greedy, banks were greedy, corporations were greedy, politicians were greedy. Now we're in a mess."



People were greedy, banks were greedy, corporations were greedy, DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS were greedy. Now we're in a mess.

Now, I'll agree with you.

[anothersta]

No one forced anyone to buy a home they couldn't afford. When I talk about how our soldiers got screwed people cry "They knew what they were getting into. They knew they could be sent anywhere for any reason." Yet when people who are twice as old don't bother to read their mortgage documents and end up in a bad situation then it's the banks fault for bullying them. The recruiters don't bully and lie and if they do some 18yo should know better but Banks bully and lie and a 30 something is just a poor victim. Sorry, not buying it. People were greedy, banks were greedy, corporations were greedy, politicians were greedy. Now we're in a mess.

You might be reading me wrong. I'm not singing a song for the poor victims here. In fact, I was and am still opposed to the bailout. I think it just continues lining pockets with OUR money and there's no sign that this won't pick up again if the economy recovers. I dont' like it one bit.

But, let's remember that the banks HAD to have a percentage of these things. And when they tried to say NO, they got sued and lost. Some dingbat banks specialized in subprime loans and just ran their banks into the ground, then took the cash and dashed.

Let's remember who allowed this to happen and let's be aware of who the victims are. The victims are chumps like us who paid their mortgages, got homes we could afford. The ones who encourage it and PUSHED subprime lending were Frank, Dodd, Shumer and 3 others who I will find their names are the culprits that didn't protect us, the victims!

Heck, Pelosi and these dingbats wanted to give 20% of anything we manage to get back from these to ACORN. That's what McCain was in Washington doing. He was putting an end to that with the assistance of the House (God bless them)! Unfortunately, it was revised and price was bumped up. I think by then the panic and urgency that was instilled into this caused some reps to cave and vote for it.

Including both of our Presidential Candidates. So, in my book they both get an F for that one. But, I'm giving McCain an F+ 'cause at least he stopped ACORN from getting a bunch more of our money. Barack was the lawyer when ACORN sued, so he gets an F-.

The victims are you and I

[janelle]

Our congressman did not vote for the bail out. Bless his heart.

[anothersta]

Our congressman did not vote for the bail out. Bless his heart.

I've got one that didn't either. We should send them thankyou cards :)

Update; I apologize, the one that voted nay is not in my district. My rep (dem) in the house did. Guess what dude... b-bye, I hope.

[janelle]

My hubby did send him an email thanking him. Same with our senators but they are all Republicans.

[YNKYH8R]

Our economy is in trouble now because of high risk loans that were pushed to get people into homes that had no means of paying for these loans.
The group ACORN would use mob tactics to intimidate banks and bankers to give these loans.

In fact I really want to see some of the corporate jerks go to prison and they should pay that money back that they got it in outrageous salary and golden parachutes.

I also think some Democrats like Barney Frank and Dodd and Pelosi should do some serious prison time for their part in all this mess.

THIS WHOLE MESS WAS BROUGHT ON BY SOME CROOKS AND MANY OF THE CROOKS ARE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
If Obama gets in these crooks will get away with it and will be back in the house and senate.
People lost their saving in Fanny Mae but Obama got over 126,000. Does that sound fair or right to you.
You know...I've heard you mention this before.

I just can't remember where.

[YNKYH8R]

I haven't had enough time to read every post.
I did read that Rev. Wrights church endorsed the Black Panther Party and also Louis Farrakhan the leader of the Nation of Islam.
I have also researched the fact that Obama seems very impressed with Marxism and socialism and communism. These are things that I'm so set against.
There are many things that Obama is for that I am very strongly against.
He is the opposite of what my ideals are.Then on Nov. 2nd you'll pull the little lever and move on....

[SurferGirl]

I'll never vote for any democrat. They have proved that they are dirty and corrupt. It seems like Chicago style corruption has spread throughout the whole party. And with this ACORN voter fraud they seem to be throwing it in our faces that we can't do anything about it.

[atprm]

Surfer -- no matter the party -- Republican, Democrat, Independant, Green, whatever...

they are all corrupt and dirty.

It's the one thing that unites all of them!!



When someone says "ambulance chaser" ... everyone immediately thinks of an attorney

When someone says "gold digger" ... everyone immediately thinks of a woman who is after money

When someone says "dirty and corrupt" ... the first thing that comes to mind is a Politician.

[Bahet]

"People were greedy, banks were greedy, corporations were greedy, politicians were greedy. Now we're in a mess."



People were greedy, banks were greedy, corporations were greedy, DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS were greedy. Now we're in a mess.

Now, I'll agree with you.

So you don't think Republicans were greedy?

[DrHolliday]

The bottom line is that NOBODY knows a whole lot about Obama.

However we do know:

1) He sat in a racist church for 20 years
2) He kicked off his political career in the house of someone that tried to blow up the Pentagon
3) He bought his house with the help of a known felon
4) He paid 800k to the organization ACORN that is well connected with voted fraud and thuggary

For someone with a paper thin resume, this isn't good.

[SurferGirl]

Obama also received over 126,000 from Fanny Mae.
He should have to pay that money back to the tax payers that are having to pay for Fanny cooking the books to get their bonuses. Dodd was the only politican getting more cash from Fanny.

[jbbarn]

So you don't think Republicans were greedy?

Bahet,I do not like the Republican party at all! There are a few good ones left. There are a few good Democrats left. But I will not put blame on BOTH parties when the corruption is only coming out of one! It really has come down to the lesser of two evils here. What Pelosi and Co. have done to the American economy is nothing short of evil.

[jbbarn]

The bottom line is that NOBODY knows a whole lot about Obama.

However we do know:

1) He sat in a racist church for 20 years
2) He kicked off his political career in the house of someone that tried to blow up the Pentagon
3) He bought his house with the help of a known felon
4) He paid 800k to the organization ACORN that is well connected with voted fraud and thuggary

For someone with a paper thin resume, this isn't good.

Thanks drholliday.
These are the undisputed facts. I guess some of us will find them distuurbing, some of us won't!

[speedygirl]

I'll never vote for any democrat. They have proved that they are dirty and corrupt. It seems like Chicago style corruption has spread throughout the whole party. And with this ACORN voter fraud they seem to be throwing it in our faces that we can't do anything about it.

And all Republicans are upstanding and lily white? I'd like to think that I'm intelligent enough to vote for the best person for the job regardless of their party affiliation. When people only vote for a person because they're Republican, Democrat, etc...that's when you get people making uninformed decisions and we're all stuck with whatever we get because people are too stubborn to budge from the norm. I have voted Republican, Democrat etc... because the candidate was the right one in my opinion.